>>607699427 >in a universe of billions upon billions of galaxies, with billions upon billions of stars each, with varying levels of planets to each star... You're telling me we're the only life form to exist?
>>607699427 As large as the universe is supposed to be it's hard to believe there's no other life out there at all. As far as them coming to earth and sticking things up rednecks butts? I don't know about all that...
>>607699680 >>607699726 We stand alone. All those stars you see in the night sky are actually being sucked into an extremely large black hole on the other side of the galaxy. That's why they're so far away. They used to be a lot close but they got pulled to the other side of the universe. We're the last hospitable planet left. It just looks like there are stars in the sky because the light has yet to fade away.
>>607699680 Or so you believe. I'm not saying they do, but the distance isn't insurmountable and there is nothing stopping them from being put in statis and awakening when they discover a planet with life.
Look at it this way, both Europa and Ganymede have liquid water on them. That's in our own fucking solar system. That's two fucking places which could have alien life, most likely not advanced civilizations, but complex creatures like fish and shit.
I also believe Ceres has liquid water on it. So that's 3.
But will NASA go exploring it? LOL FUCK NO! The EARLIEST we get to even starting a program will be 2035, I don't just mean NASA, I mean every Space Agency, unless India/China decide to do it. Then it'll take 10 years to get there, then maybe a year to drill down. That's assuming it stays working.
>>607700658 Wow you have a picture. Who took that picture of the galaxy eh? I bet you think aliens took that picture and gave it to humans in a roundabout way to try and help us advance our knowledge. Fuck off mongloid.
>>607701103 Really? It's a fucking common knowledge. The only stares we see in the night sky is the surrounding constellations in close proximity to our solar system. If you think for a second that the human eye can see stars from across the galaxy then you are indeed a fucking retard.
>>607701684 Yeah and like I said the stars used to be closer but they have been pulled to the other side of the universe. The light has just yet to fade and that's why we can still see what looks like stars. Next your probably going to tell me the aurora borealis is a mini galaxy in the sky.
>>607701322 You know what I find funny? That the USA government is funding a project to develop a "warp drive". Now, if you want to don your tinfoil hats, imagine we already HAVE the technology for a warp drive, but we can't just announce it, cause it'd shock people and people would ask questions. So, what do you do? You start funding a program to develop the drive and keep it going for a decade or two, then you go "Aha! We've done it! Woot!" and everybody claps and we can explore spess.
Physics, as we understand it, says nothing can go faster than light. But that's how we understand it, there isn't anything stopping something going faster than light. If you see what I mean.
I dunno, I just feel like finding alien life will make be feel less alone. Even if it's just microscopic, it'll prove that life is possible and that it is out there, somewhere.
It's why I resent NASA et al not going to Europa/Ceres/Ganymede.
>>607702066 Unless we're currently the most technologically advanced species within what we can see at the moment. We might be the only ones looking, while the rest of them are retarded fish-frogs or something.
>>607702425 but even the odds of that are slim. Our star is comparatively young. So odds are, there are plenty of planets in the Goldilocks zone around us that have been around for much longer than we have. So the odds of us being the most advanced guys in our local area are still fairly unlikely.
Which brings us back to the question of "What the fuck is up?" If we are the most advanced species in the area, the question becomes, "Why?"
>>607702066 I subscribe to the idea that any advanced alien life coming to Earth would have the same scientific principles as humanity. That is, you don't just go in guns blazing, you observe for a time and not make your presence known. If you do, you do it to a small but important group. Just like explorers used to observe tribes people before approaching and then winning the trust of the chief/shaman/priest/witchdoctor before anything major happened.
But the major reason is this.
The universe is big. Even if you could travel faster than light, even 1% faster (which would shorten distances by a massive amount, let alone 50% faster or double) you could simply avoid any life.
Or, alien races have no interest in seeking other life, they're more interested in exploiting resources and stuff, so they just go about settling gas giants for fuel and planets for minerals/metals.
As I said above, they could simply be watching. The idea that an advanced race can get to Earth but not have some form of "cloaking" device, to avoid radar detection and shit like that, is silly.
>>607702925 Because we're around a, what, third, fourth generation star? It generated lots of the kind of heavy metals and stuff that's been useful for life as we know it here. Add to that the fact that it took over four billion years for us to evolve here.
There are a number of factors but, again, it's all guesswork based on the one time we know it happened.
>>607702925 You don't seem to understand what distances we're talking about here. We barely have any clue what's out there. That's not really advanced in any way. We didn't knew that Jupiter and Saturn had that many moons until a probe got there and took some pictures. It took us 9 fucking years to get to Pluto. We are primitive in terms of space exploration.
>>607703462 I've just tapping my fingers on the keyboard in order to alleviate myself from the boredom of being alive. You honestly think I don't know what I'm typing? I was almost thinking about learning something today but due to your accusatory tones and harsh stance on aliens, I'll think otherwise.
>>607703759 That paradox is flawed as we, as I said, are primitive. We trust some retarded numbers that have no real basis. Again, we didn't knew the exact volume of Jupiter before the probe got there. We are wrong in every way imaginable but act like our guesses have any meaning. There might be something out there close, but we're not advanced enough to see or reach it and maybe it goes both ways.
>>607703769 What a close-minded individual you are. You seem very adamant about your theory. Now tell me, was that a lullaby your mom read to you one night? Or did you shit it out your ass, and with your huge ego decided to praise it as fact and no other theory is acceptable?
>Head needs to be up high to see predators and prey >torso for organs >anything that is not subterranean would need a skelington of some sort >2 legs are required to move efficiently > 2 arms with hands are needed for the manipulation of complex tools(it does not matter how smart you are, you can't build a spaceship with flippers) >any more than 4 or 6 limbs would use too much brain power and not leave enough for complex problem solving >head must be on a neck so that it can swivel and shit >large invertebrates can't thrive above ground When you factor in all of these variables, a humanoid/semi-humanoid shape just makes sense
>>607702285 the Alcubierre drive doesn't make yo go faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. It warps space time around you so it moves with you, giving you a functional speed of faster than light, but not giving you the infinite mass if you did so conventionally. Like a boat that can go 30mph. put that boat on a tidal wave and all of a sudden its going over 30.
>>607702925 A) the universe is really really really fucking big and if radio waves have trouble traveling more than a few thousand miles, you can bet they will have trouble traveling several thousand if not million or even billion light years.
B) our star may be young, but the only reason the heavy metals that make up the world around us exist is because several generations of suns had to first form, grow old, and die. It took billions of years for all the shit you see on the periodic table to come about in abundance.
>>607707675 Implying an 'intelligent' alien with the design of a xenomorph wouldn't be a hell of a survival machine. Not that I'm saying these things actually exist or anything, but its not exactly what I'd call humanoid.
>>607708506 >>607708363 Has any other known species managed to build skyscrapers microchips and rockets? I was referring to the requirements for highly intelligent life capable of constructing complex machinery, not fucking space cows.
Disregarding your spelling, I believe I never mentioned their capability of making contact with us. But lets just say that that's the point I'm trying to make here. Give the Xeno a pair of opposable thumbs or something and it'll be good to go...
Also, the 'complex technology' you're referring to is based on us, built by us. Who says aliens cant design and create their own 'complex technology' that accomodates their physique?
>>607711401 those are not the requirements for intelligence you fucking retard, what makes you think they need organs, what if their bodies consume energy in a different way like photosynthesis or some shit, look at monkeys..they have a similar body but they're dumb as fuck
>any more than 4 or 6 limbs would use too much brain power and not leave enough for complex problem solving
what? what if their brains are bigger and more capable of complex thinking than ours?
>>607713441 no but they are also retarded compared to humans, look at a person that lost his arms, he would definitely be capable of creating something complex if he had to, a human without limbs can still communicate and be intelligent
Point still is, that on different planets, different rules may apply due to higher/lower gravity, stratosphere, chemicals, minerals, what not. Aliens could be living on those planets, whereas we could not. Those same aliens would have succesfully adapted to their respective habitats. Finally, different ways of 'being intelligent' may apply there. Take into consideration the fact that building skyscrapers wouldn't serve much purpose there.
>>607715163 Why would it need that? Please note that I'm not saying the octopus will be able of interstellar flight. However, the intelligent octopus with hands would most definetly find ways to enhance it's own existance, very much like we're doing day in, day out.
>>607716434 Please remind me of how utterly useful your phone, tv and car is when it comes to the greater good of the development of the species. There's tons of ways to do a better job than whatever your current devices and vehicles are. Reason you have those, and that we as humankind develop those instead of more useful ways? Mostly because you pay for it, because some fat asshole with a fancy position wants to stay there.
>>607714069 yeah let me kill your argument before you waste more of my time... you are talking as if everything you know is facts but in reality humans are only still learning and everything we know that hasnt been proven is considered a theory, you havent showed me proof that creatures can evolve without organs because theres no knowledge about it, you have no idea if other places in the galaxy have different environments, beings have to adapt to certain environments in order to survive so what if in a far far place away from us there are creatures that evolved to move objects without any use of their body parts, just with their mind? have you ever seen star wars bruh? what if other creatures out there are capable of controlling gravity, kinda like superheroes in movies
>>607699427 Our galaxy is 100,000 light years across, and there's 6 trillion miles in a single light year, not to mention that our galaxy is a blip on universes' radar, the Milky Way is insignificant on an astronomical scale, to assume that we are the only intelligent species in the entire universe is just plain ignorant, no offence.
>>607715948 You misunderstand my original point. In order for an alien civ tho come into contact with earth, it must first be able to make simple tools, then complex tools, it must be able to make discoveries(if you live underwater, you have no way to discover basic tech like metallurgy and fire, which are necessary building blocks for making complex tools and eventually, spaceships) advance as a civ to the point where it is capable of space travel and then find us. It is easiest to do this if you are relatively humanoid.
Also, I have been using humanoid to describe a creature with 2 arms, 2 legs, a head, a torso, and hands, that walks upright(at least some of the time) and lives above ground. Xenos meet this.
Also, not to be nitpicky or anything, but technically xenomorph is a misnomer. All the word xenomorph means is any alien lifeform, in the movies the alien species is never given an actual name other than the alien.
We use our hands and feed to move objects, but don't plants influence movement aswell, even though they're not moving themselves?
They make certain scents, bugs pick up on it and act the way they want. So in a way, they move things, without actually moving themselves. Keeping that in mind, there might be other ways to influence certain things. Hell, who knows. Creatures might exist that use magnetic fields to function and manipulate thhe world around them. Possibilities are virtually unlimited.
>>607718990 By your description, dinosaurs might also be humanoid, so that's a flaw, but I understand your point.
Also, you mention that 'It is easiest to advance to the point where it'd be capable of space travel'. Easiest, could be. Otherwise impossible? Probably not. It could also be that there's a way easier way to get there, that we haven't thought of. I mean dude, for centuries we believed the earth was flat. Go figure.
Regarding the misnomer thing, you know what 'lifeform' I've been referring to.
>>607719496 Possible, but what is also possible is that there's a race that has a way better focus than ours. Just look at how much time we are actually 'wasting' on pleasures, rather than advancing.
Now take a look at bee or wasp colonies. Those fuckers are functioning at way higher percentages of efficiency than humans. Especially wasps are terribly good at terrorizing shit, however both species lack intelligence to actually make complex plans.
>>607720557 im wrong how? there is not right or wrong here buddy, you're just closed minded fuck, you think you know it all, like i said, humans are still learning and if you dont have proof to make me wrong then you cant do shit, faggot im done with you
>>607722610 In a way they are "forced" it's either work in the plant, or starve. Not everyone has the freedom to do as they please, there are still modern day slaves in much of the world(look up indentured servitude)
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