>>606670667 Listen here faggot. I don't understand how a simple minded faggot like you doesn't even have the minimum brain required to understand there's no fucking god(s). Either religious people are the biggest trolls or they should'nt even be able to breathe properly. That's how dumb believing in any deity is.
If I go to a person and ask them "2+2=?". Their answer should be "4, why?" As in: "It's obvious, why are you asking". The reaction should be similar when asking about their belief: "There's no God, why?"
Religions are archaic fairy tales obviously made to control masses. Yet, your sheep brain agrees to that.
So, should we kill atheist? Totally not, they make up the human population with an IQ higher than 70. Going back to the dark ages (what you're basically saying) is the most retarded step back we could consciously make. Fucking faggot, I just took the bait.
>>606671606 incredible. absolutely amazing. With all your intellectual sophistry you failed to address the question; are school shooters atheists? Instead you dodge the question like a politician and throw insults. Anyone can see that this is an avoidance mechanism based on a fear of the question and it's implications to your belief system. But then I kinda get the impression that you are out shopping for a gun and a school to use it in.
>>606672095 why do atheists always throw out this argument? They think that if there is a god it must be Santa. Maybe there is a god (creator) who just likes to watch the world burn. The fact that he doesnt appear good does not mean he doesn't exist.... dumbarses
>>606673138 actually this is a good point. Cults are evil, but that really isn't at question here. I suppose a cult could be considered a religious extremist and a school shooter is an atheist extremist... so how do we define an atheist extremist? How can we identify him without waiting for him to shoot up a school?
>>606672860 How is saying your god arrogant. He doesn't believe in it so it isn't his god. You get mad that he doesn't speak of your god the way you want to. You are just the textbook religious person reversing the reality that you people are the arrogant stuck up ones.
Adam Lanza, 20, and his mother, Nancy Lanza, had been parishioners at St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church in Newtown. Adam also had gone to the church’s school as a child after his mother pulled him out of nearby Sandy Hook Elementary School,... James Eagan Holmes attended a local Lutheran church with his family, according to the church's pastor.
If he wasn't why is the world the way it is? If you take a pencil and drop it, it will fall and hit the floor. Why doesn't it disappear or turn into a rubber chicken. Why does gravity not randomly turn on and off on Earth? Why do planted orbit a sin and they aren't just aimlessly flying about in space? Why is it that life has an order? Is it more reasonable to believe a divine being created order? Or that we are lucky enough to exist in a universe where we aren't having randomness and a chaotic nature rule? The latter seems more unlikely…
>>606673645 in a way you are right, but you ignore the enabling factor of atheism. Atheism, if taken to its extreme, says that we are nothing more than animals and our lives are of no real value. If someone hurts you, kill them. A religious extremist says that only believers are of value and if anyone insults their diety then kill them. Religious extremists are rather easy to spot. They broadcast their views. But how can we know when an atheists goes over the edge?
>>606674091 ahhh laaa. sometimes I am ashamed that my belief in a creator is shared by idiots. Sorry everyone. Not everyone that beliefs in a creator is as much of an idiot as this one, what he is saying could be put a million times better, about the order of life and the logic of design... but this was about the worst example of a rambling believer I have read in weeks.
>>606674394 Exactly! So science has a place, something only living beings can understand and rationalize. In a word of randomness, science would be useless since you cannot disprove anything such as gravity acting in strange ways. This is good, God emerges like this in discussions
>>606672095 the sun is a god by definition so youre god is everyones hell according to zeigeist most monotheistic religons are just more complex versions of sun worship so get off your high fucking horse
>>606674723 We can explain earthquakes, tornadoes, and taunamis and how they are created and formed. I'm talking about is it possible the universe we live in is from an intelligent design. The odds that we live in a world were things don't just randomly operate such as I don't know humans randomly melt or TVs turn into knife wielding ninjas. There is an order
>>606674885 i dont know what about it would but i had never been popular throughout school. i was always bullied and whatnot. teachers were shit and anytime you said something they would call you a snitch. you know what, i thought about bringing my parents weapons to school and mowing down those who made me feel so horrible but i thought exactly that. what about this lack of acceptance makes me want to kill a person? is this exactly what they wanted, to see me in such a horrible position, so they could justify to themselves that what they did was alright because he was a murderer? no. i let them live with it, hopefully it is biting them in the ass, but i still dont know why i wanted them dead. and maybe i didnt even want them dead but gone. maybe then life wouldn't have been so shitty
>>606674768 How did I not take into account what he said? He said atheists do not act in defense of atheism. I said that was valid but that atheism enables their actions. Are you suggesting that atheists that go nuts don't act on a belief that murder is acceptable because we are no more valuable than cattle? Is this not a factor?
>>606675318 No, atheists go nuts when people torment them for years and they get fed up with it, like anyone would. Or, if they're mentally unstable, but simply being atheist doesn't enable them the reasoning to be able to murder, while on the other hand, religion does because all religious people will believe that you can get away with murder and still have a pretty sweet afterlife as long as you murder the right people, which is completely fucking insane.
>>606675140 I think you would be better served if you read up on the incredible design of the eyeball or of a single cell organism. These tiny things are facinating in their design. They scream designer. And every other part of a life form is the same. Who here looks at the Mona Lisa and says it evolved? It was painted by a master who labored over it and designed it. Design is easy to spot... unless one has ulterior motives, such as a desire to live for self, without searching for a greater purpose and expectations of a creator. I sometimes think atheists are desperately so, and that is why they get so venomous in these discussions.
>>606675368 I love Neil deGrasse Tyson. However, just because the universe has a lack of order, doesn't mean their isn't order. Death and natural disasters are not random, eventually we will be able to explain WHAT IS. What we can't explain is why ISN'T THERE. Why don't volcanoes spew ice cream or tornados turn into cotton candy? There is a science to explain that, Tyson only names what problems the universe has and why the likelihood of a divine being doesn't exist. He fails to explain why science can explain that.
>>606675771 huh? Do Buddhists think that it is ok to murder non-Buddhists? Do Taoists? There are many religions that don't follow your idea. Simply believing in a diety has absolutely no connection to ideas of murder, in fact most religions preach that murder is a damnable offence and sets one on course for hell. Atheists, on the other hand, don't think murder has any effect, except to what their mommies might say about them.
>>606676151 I get the impression that this person, if a muslim, would be talking about how it was ok for muslim terrorists to kill because someone insulted their faith. But he is an atheist so he says it is ok when school shooters go nuts because they were bullied. The center of an atheist's life is himself. When someone insults him and makes him feel bad... well his god is himself so they have just degraded his god and deserve the consequences.
>>606676416 every governing body says murder is ok too, in the case of defense and military action. This is not a religious argument, it is merely law of human rights to defend themselves. So if an ancient religious book says this is it advocating murder?
Okay as a Catholic I would like to say religion is not violent or peaceful. It is a vessel used to justify both. (This is what atheist use as a reason to despise religion) naturally the independent variable here is mankind. Mankind is violent or peaceful and their religion will reflect accordingly. Their are murderous Bhuddist munks and peaceful Muslims. Doesn't matter the religion, what matters is the person behind the religion.
>>606676674 Also had aspergers, and was unable to function. His only communication ended up being e-mail with his mother who was upstairs. There is a mental illness trend, don't know how that hasn't been pointed out.
>>606676957 I'm just dumping school shooters who are not atheist, not white, or not white and atheist. If there really is one overarching theme in what we should be looking for in potential spree killers it certainly is mental instability.
>>606676897 agnostics? well They many of them are just honestly wondering and searching. For them, truth is their only god. They don't want the comfort of a lie or the freedom to live without responsibility. They just want a truth... but SOME agnostics, I suspect, are simply using the word as a shield for atheistic freedom without offending their believing friends.
See in America, people want to correlate God with America; that the two are inseparable. I just don't get when gun toting rednecks can say that when in the First Amendment clearly states freedom of religion is a given right. Being an American, to me, is believing in the US Constitution, not making up what you think it means to you
3 Muslims killed in Buddhist mob attack in Sri Lanka.
But yeah. Everyone fits into the neat little packages that the television tellls you they do. Buddhists are all peaceful hippies. Muslims are all terrorists. All school shooters are atheist. All serial killers are white. Don't ever seek out information that might confirm or deny these stereotypes. Just mindlessly parrot them.
>>606677989 That's not what happened at all. A simple disagreement in a jewelry store between people arguing over a piece of jewelry escalated into "let's kill all the people who are different than us!"
>>606677996 This just might be the best response to my question (OP here). I never really believed that ALL school shooters are atheists, but I get tired of atheists suggesting that religious people are fringe wackos who will slit your throat if you don't sing their songs just right. I wanted to make them pause and think for a moment about the violence enabled by their own beliefs. The common trait is that we are all humans and humans are generally nuts. The people that scare me the most are those who advocate force to gain utopia. They are the worst nut jobs. Force IS the problem, not the solution. I don't care if force is wielded by a crazy religious leader or an atheist, in either case people lose their freedoms.
>>606678805 Perhaps you were merely being empathetic for the bullied school shooters. I don't share your empathy. Once they resort to this severe of violence I no longer care what others did to them. I have a hard time believing that if the bullying had not happened they would have grown up to be productive members of society. They made their choices based on a lot more than bullying. That is merely a cop out for them and I don't buy it.
>>606678805 ... but I want to add that you are not entirely wrong either. These things should be studied and discussed. Children should learn that respecting each other in school is important and bullying has effects. But we shouldn't offer this as an excuse for their murders.
>>606679764 Muslims are raised in harsh environments and taught (by humans) that violence is acceptable... kinda like blacks in an inner city environment. I get the impression that they would murder even if their book didn't justify it.
>>606680504 no, you are right. religions are filled with wackos. I totally agree. But my debate is over atheists. I think that there are just as many wackos claiming no faith as there are of any certain religion. I don't have empathy for religious wackos. I don't accept any excuses from them. And you shouldn't accept excuses from "bullied" murderers
>>606680504 I just realized that I initially commented the wrong post. I never meant this directed towards you at all, but towards the same guy you posted to. oops. I think I will go shoot up a school now.
>>606680787 Because there was no such thing as human violence before prozac was invented.
People have been killing one another for no good reason since before we were people. Chimpanzees form small groups and go out on patrols into enemy territory for the sole purpose of finding lone members of neighboring troupes to viciously murder.
We are hard wired for violence. We point our fingers at anything and everything trying to find a cause for shit that is simply inherent to the human condition
You can believe in nothing or you can believe in a tandem psychic war elephant. It's about your morals and what you believe to be the right thing.
Bullying isn't the only reason people do things like this. There are a million reasons. Every single person is different and it takes different things to cause them to snap
But when you have been brainwashed from birth to believe there is something else out there and that that thing can be offended by your and others actions and beliefs. Then it is a lot easier to justify things like shootings or bombings Especially when you have been taught that it is the right thing in "gods eyes"
>>606681256 I think one major distinction is the aftermath. Does the religion come out and denounce the act? Or do they silently chuckle and how more of their followers go over the bend? I read somewhere that some 30% of muslims sympathize with the murderers. No other religion does this.
They were essentially coalitions of religious fundamentalist priests, farmers, and families, who were willing to literally fight for their beliefs. Ikkō-ikki translates to something like "devoted league," but also had the connotation of "single-minded riots." In 1488, their leader Rennyo, incited an uprising against samurai rule, and secured Kaga Province for the Ikkō-ikki. From there they spread, establishing themselves in Nagashima, Ishiyama Hongan-ji, and Mikawa Province.
>>606681542 Yep we are in agreement. I see the same sort of brainwashing in atheists too. They seem to be raised to believe that all theists are subhuman, drooling, inbreds and therefore it is acceptable to put a ring in their nose and drag them to the slaughter, for their own good. I like the tandem psychic war elephant. I think I will bow down and worship it. Oh great and all knowing elephant, grant me the power to kill all the unbelievers...
>>606682362 People are gullible and are willing to believe anything that makes them feel better. There is brainwashing/conditioning throughout all religions. Funny that as we discuss this a show called 'the cult' comes on haha
>>606683243 haha actually I am thinking of making a cult based rpg game. would be gruesome. The only thing that dissuades me is knowing that, like you said, people are gullible. I wouldn't want to influence anyone to actually try it for real.
>>606683262 What the fuck are you talking about? They were fundamentalists who incited riots against the government and went around murdering people who didn't agree with their interpretation of their religion and then burning those people's temples to the ground. How in the fuck is that not religiously motivated killing?
Oh, because it's buddhist on buddhist? But you just off offhandedly rejected everything else that was crammed down your throat that showed buddhists murdering muslims for being muslim because you insisted that it wasn't religiously motivated bases on nothing more than your own interpretation of events that you had never even known existed until other people pointed them out to you.
>>606683310 why should god be perfect? ah you were raised Christian and you are rebelling like the prodigal son. Being god simply means that he created everything. If everything is not perfect then I guess that suggests that he either likes to see the chaos or that he is imperfect too.
>>606684274 wait?! do all theists follow the Bible? News flash. Buddhists, you have been doing it wrong. This guy just said so. Muslims you are reading the wrong book. This guy will enlighten us all. All of us follow a "shitty book" that says we were created in God's image. Damn, we have been doing it wrong. Thanks for showing us the light, shitty teacher
>>606684766 The thing that scares me about atheists is that their leaders advocate force on a national level and shrug when theists are discriminated against. Like, for example, in California State U they are booting out a religious student organization because it expects the organization president to be of the same religion. Atheists everywhere chuckle.
>>606683928 Because the bible says so? You can't just accept certain parts of the book and refuse what's flawed. Do you understand the fundamental concept of god? Not just in the bible, the general concept of god, he as to be perfect or there can't be god. As for the chistian rebelling part, 0/10 anon, raised atheist, I just wanted to learn more about chistianity cause you can't say it's shit if you don't know anything about it.
>>606685730 I imagine that they are a religious organization and therefore have the right to expect employees to follow their doctrine. Their entire reason for existence is to advocate their beliefs, so how would you, as a person who beliefs differently, help them to do this?
>>606685821 On average, 10.56 people die in multiple victim public shootings in the United States a year. The average number for Europe is about 11.8 deaths per year.
On the other hand, Western Europe’s population is about 48 percent larger than the U.S. (about 387 million to 262 million). To have the same per capita rate as the U.S., Western Europe would have had to experience one more shooting involving 4 people killed per year.
But don't act like it never happens there. Happens a lot actually.
>>606670667 why don't you guys just call a vote and get a god that doesn't keep pumping out school shooters. slippery slope arguments work both ways, and its even easier when the initial argument involves urban legends, like free lollipops if theres a star on your wrapper/September 11th/insert religion here
>>606685916 Quite ironic don't you think? Bein called a thick skull by a christian. How can you not get it through your thick skull that there is no such shit as god or paradise or whatever you might believe in. Why would you believe he created the world but the part where he's perfect is bullshit? Please explain your logic
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