When did you start? What languages do you know? What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? What is the most useful or coveted language? Fully employed or contract jobs? Estimated annual salary? Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path?
1.12.14 norwegian, swedish, danish, english, german, japanese, french. Japanese because of similarities to norwegian and anime. Took me a year-ish. English... Fully employed. ~ 65k$ Get a bachelors degree.
Had to turn down a fulltime job of 33k/year, company car and company gas card because my fucking dad told me to finish school or else he would kick me out of the house... I wish I quit school back then and hit him in the face again...
>>583009909 And again, its HTML + Something. Inb4 'name one language that works on its own': Ofc you will never use any technology on its own - but HTML really isnt something worth mentioning, in particular in jobs with 6 fig. salary.
>>583008567 * I started freelancing at 15 (I'm 25 now). * C, C++, Go, PHP, JS, Python * Depends on what you mean by "learn". I'm always learning something new. It does take a lot of time and effort to become proficient (and *good*) at any specific language. * Doesn't matter * Fully employed, but I do side-work anyway * 75k/yr * Start building little things you'd find useful - utilities, web-apps...just write some shit. Contribute to glorious open source software that you use. Become communist.
>>When did you start? About 7 years ago, learned on the job >>What languages do you know? PHP, Html/css >>What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? both PHP and html are probably like babbys first programming language but hey it's how I make money. >>What is the most useful or coveted language? Probably some form of C, objective C or C++ cause that's where apps are at. >>Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed >>Estimated annual salary? almost 50k >>Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? You should probably go to college. I didn't and I'm a pretty shitty programmer.
>>583010247 Actually, as a web designer you are expected to know correct HTML markup and workflow to comply to Web 1.0 (sometimes 2.0, depending on what your target audience is), and this is essential for landing even a decent job as a web designer, so yes, HTML is worth mentioning IF you can prove that you actually are skilled with it (which most developers seems to forget about).
>>583010372 Definitely don't go to school. Just follow tutorials and make random shit on your own, try to make custom plugins or extensions for frameworks, or from sratch.
What languages do you know? mainly php, but also html, css, js
What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Imo the easiest is web developing, so I recommend php or ruby(i have never write in it, but i heard a lot of good opinions about it, so worth checking it if you are starting) I was learining php for around 6 months, 0-4h a day. After that i found a freelance contract for 3 months. Atm i am fully employed as web dev for 7 months
What is the most useful or coveted language? php/java/c#
Fully employed or contract jobs? fully employed as web dev for 7 months
Estimated annual salary? 500 euro(i live in poorland and i was hired here as beginner)
Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Set up some challenge for your self. For me first one was a simple website with some CMS features, then the same website on one of the most popular frameworks, after that i found job :P
>>583008567 I'm a first year engineering student and currently learning Python. Never done programming before but Python was easy to learn. Read the textbook by Zelle and you should find no difficulties learning Python.
>>583008567 >When did you start? about 5 years ago >What languages do you know? Java, C, a bit of Phyton (also PL/SQL, but irrelevant) >What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Definitely Phyton, you can learn it quickly and you'll learn well if that is your first language >What is the most useful or coveted language? C# or C++ >Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed >Estimated annual salary? Not i the US so I wouldn't know >Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? At least get a Bac. A lot of employers won't even look at you if you don't have some formal education. Contribute to open source project and pretty up your CV while you study. Code every day, if only for half an hour.
I can write in C and C++ (although I'm inexperienced in the area of memory management) as well as Python and with a refresher I could do Java without too much trouble. I took a couple years of computer science classes and got an understanding of common data structures. I'm also an intelligent (at least I'd like to think), attractive white male. What are my chances of finding employment in a computer science related area?
as long as you're competent in the role you're applying for you should have no trouble getting a job
i'd recommend downloading a few languages and trying them out to see which one you prefer coding in, my favorite language to work in is python because it's beautiful, well documented, lots of lots of extra modules and they're really easy to install, easyinstall and pip make things really easy. make sure you work on fun things or you'll probably lose interest after a bit, 'project euler' is a good place to go for some ideas on what to make if you can't think of anything
When did you start? at twelve my grandfather started me out on learning batch programming, from there I went to pascal and c/c++ What languages do you know? pascal (haven't used it in ages) C/C++ Haskell QML and Quipper. What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? I guess these days people start out with java, or c# What is the most useful or coveted language? Because of my work Haskell is my most useful language but it all depends on what your aim is. Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed Estimated annual salary? 100-105k Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? I work in a very specialized environment I got in by luck and by being noticed at my university. If you're starting now I guess that by your 35th you could be where I am at now. including learning as a teen and getting my degree it took around 12-15 years to get to where I am at now.
Practice, often, depending on what field you want to enter go for a comp sci degree, or just get an industry certificate.
>>583011167 > A lot of employers won't even look at you if you don't have some formal education. that's a big fat lie, a lot of employers don't even care what your education is as long as you're competent. and even for big companies like valve for example they request a degree in computer science OR equivalent work experience.
if you know how computers work and how to program you won't have trouble finding a job
2 years ago professional PHP/html/sql and all the Adobe design shit. (Im front end). XHTML Depends on if ur a moron I think php is.. Full employment 30k euros Work hard and work yourself up. Try to be unmissable.
Either is fine as long as you do it properly and keep on learning
>What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? It is not like that. How long does it take to learn a human language? ... To what degree? Also, programming languages and softwares are far more complex than normal languages, so basically you never stop learning it.
>What is the most useful or coveted language? There are trends on the market, albeit it is also very field/industry specific. For testing JAVA is the mostly used. For webpages you may use Java (please no), C#, or the html,php,sql,etc combo. In embedded systems C is the most widely used. Also, you might need scripts... These can be written in bash, etc.
>Fully employed or contract jobs? It depends on what are your needs. What is pleasant for you.
>Estimated annual salary? country dependend. Nonetheless, as a software developer you can make good money.
Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Get experience :) and think about yourself, what do you want. And how you achieve it.
>>583008567 >When did you start? 22 >What languages do you know? Bash, Python >What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Python is the easiest syntax, all languages are hard >What is the most useful or coveted language? LISP >Fully employed or contract jobs? contract >Estimated annual salary? $55k+ >Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Just Fucking Do It
There's no easy way or magic bullet to learning coding. You just have to fucking code to learn code.
>>583008567 >When did you start? I started hobbyprogramming when I was ~14 What languages do you know? C, C++, JAVA What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Imo the easiest to learn lang is C. It takes some time to get to know everything of it, but if you know C, the transitions to most other languages are relatively easy. (even though you will likely think that most other languages are shit) What is the most useful or coveted language? C
>>583012102 both scenarios are true. sure, some will only look at your skills at the interview or hire you right away, but a lot of jobs will do a selection before you even get to the interview. mid or a senior don't need formal education, but a junior in his twenties does. if you freelance or participate in open source projects while you study you'll be better off then someone who does the same and doesn't have a degree.
one way doesn't mean the other way is impossible or wrong, you have to see for yourself
>>583008567 >no degree, just mandatory schooling >started with js and php with 15 >17 years later: full stack dev in js, ruby (+rails), python (+django), coldfusion, php, t-sql >know a little bit of node.js, c, java, pl-sql, jsf, jsp and a bunch more >most useful in the future will be js because of all the ecmascript flavors >fully employed, about 100k
advice? based on my experience, start with js and understand prototyping. ruby and python will then bring your understanding of abstract concepts further. if you go for the web, forget java-based frameworks (jsp and jsf are not stateless) and go directly for either django or rails.
>>583012594 it depends on your field though, if you're a java programmer getting oracle certificates should be fine, if you want to work on the bleeding edge then a uni degree will help tremendously getting through the door. However in the end it's about creative thought, and showing you're capable.
>When I was 13 >Any, just give me the reference manual >I would go for python, but you should learn logic first, after that you just need reference manuals >Depends what you like, my personal favorite is ruby >Created my own company >30k to 200k, depends a lot >Depends on your country, if you can get cheap university sure, go for it, it's an interesting experience, hard and painful but interesting anyway
>>583008567 I've been a software engineer/webdev/gamedev my whole life. I started by getting a couple titles published by a small local publisher, then went freelance. I now make Android apps, websites and developer tools for Windows.
I'll start by answering your questions, then I'll throw in some advice.
Advice: 1. Learn PHP+MySQL - Elitist/Snobs laugh at PHP because a lot of Indians use it (badly) but it's a fantastic language with lots of demand 2. Learn C++ and Java if you want to get into desktop apps 3. Being freelance is actually pretty hard. There's tons of competition out there and you need a business-head if you want to win contracts 4. Everything is going mobile. For websites, learn about "Responsive Layouts", for apps learn Java (for Android) and Obj-C (for iOS) 5. MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS USEFUL TO YOU. MAKE 1 APP THAT *YOU* WILL FIND USEFUL, AND YOU WILL FIND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET RICH OR FAMOUS - JUST MAKE 1 AMAZING THING THAT YOU CAN BRAG ABOUT. THIS WILL WIN FUTURE CONTRACTS WITH CLIENTS 6. Your clients/employers WILL ALWAYS see you as a resource to be exploited. *ALWAYS* have a written contract even if you trust the person.
>>583008567 >About 6-7 years ago. Mainly 2nd year of college (britfag) >C++, VB.net, Java, C#. Toyed with a few others >VB.net, first language. Just had an affinity for it I guess. Other languages were easier to learn after that. Get a feel for one, you get the general idea. >I like the personal power in C++. All faults are generally your own. Java/C# are more likely to have outside interferences. >Looking for work. Just graduated University, but done lots of freelance work. Worked on a PS4 game back in November before the console was released. >The average is around 20-24k. >No answer is the right one, do what you want and enjoy. Doing shit things over and over again makes you gradually less shit. Don't do tutorials, do your own shit. Have your own thought and ideas. Consequently cloning some things is good practice, but ultimately solving your own problems is 100% better.
>>583014221 Memory management is just a technique in a sense. Depends if the language lets you manipulate memory or not. That's way too far ahead, learn a language first.
Stop procrastinating and just do it. Find a tutorial or some shit, and just run with it. You'll love a few things, you'll hate a few things, you'll hate it more, you'll hit a problem. The key is to solve that problem and realise how amazing programming is. Just stick through the shit. The feeling after is amazing.
>>583013273 It took me that long, I can't predict how quick you can learn but yes, probably. I got my PhD three years ago, my professor forwarded my paper to a friend of his and I got hired from there. Started at 70k a year and moved up quickly because at that time there were only 3-4 companies world wide in this field.
>What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? HTML out of the ones i listed other than those not worth mentioning, could be learned in 24 hours with the right mind set
>Fully employed or contract jobs? currently doing freelance work app development with C# 15$/hr getting a raise to 35-40$/hr after a few more weeks
>Estimated annual salary? for me not much because I'm in school and am only working part time with my freelancing
>Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? practice makes perfect seriously also learn data structures and algorithms, very important for software dev which is where the real money is (100k+ salaries)
>>583008567 Depends what you want to do with the knowledge. If you want to do web development start with simple programs like wordpress or MyBB, you know where most of it is done for you but you need to do the odd bit of basic coding. If nothing else it will help you grasp the basics.
If you want to do games development etc then start using simple drag and drop stuff like Game Maker studio (which may sound seriously derpy but some awesome games like hotline miami etc were made in it).
wow, That is quite a lot to take in. I feel like im so far behind that it will take years to get to where i can make it profitable. I am copying this down to review later though. I think i will just have to start it as a hobby for now. especially because i don't know the first thing about programming
>>583016028 If you want money, go into webdev. Those guys are way overpaid, and the work is crazy easy.
Don't go into thinking you'll be the next big thing, because you probably won't. It's not worth aiming for. Do it because you want to do it and you enjoy it. It's gonna be a long and slow process but it can be a fun one.
>>583016529 Personally I dislike python, but other people swear by it and is recommended for beginners. C++ definitely if you want a hard time but pretty much understand all other languages in the long run.
yo im pretty much the same as you, except im 18 turning 19 next month, and going into 2nd year (of 4) in chemical engineering at uni. I want to do this as a side project and worst to worst - something to add on my CV. Win win really. Preferably I'd love to get a lot of money making apps or something, not sure how that will go though. Did a unit beginner unit on C++ as compulsory in engineering, found it easier to understand than Java, funnily enough... but i tihnk thats because it was my first language and because of the tutorials im watching now. My end goals is to develop apps and such, on andriod firstly, then move to swift and Objective C and move into ios apps. really whatever's big in the market at the time
>>583017416 Over college and Uni I had around 3 contract jobs. One job was £400 per contract, had 3 of those. Another was £80 per day. Worked about 15 days. Last one was £600 per contract, got two done.
These were all software based though, not web. Working home is great, but it's also hard to do. You need to be disciplined.
>>583017737 Freelancing web dev I think personally. It's easy and people pay a lot for it. (Being a good artist helps too though.) What's funny, is because people are so anti-tech, you can make things take twice as long as they should and extort a bit more money.
>>583008567 >When did you start? 2006 (?) >What languages do you know? little C, ABAP, JAVA >What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? easiest? python... then prolly java. 10 years at least >What is the most useful or coveted language? that's an awful question. depends on what you'd like to work on. you're not gonna get shit learning C and working in SAP >Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed >Estimated annual salary? >70k euros >Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? yeah, don't go to a university. plus code as much as humanly possible. the only way to learn programming, is by programming
>>583008567 1.) about an hour ago 2. ) German, English, Spanish, French, Nigger, Arabic and Russian(although I don't see how that is relevant) 3.) Easiest to learn was probably English because it was so much like German. 4.) The most useful I would say would be Cantonese because more people speak it worldwide than anyone else, that is why I am currently learning Cantonese but its hard. 5.) I am fully employed. I work at Subway. 6.) Well I only started working there a week ago and haven't received my payslip but I would hope it to be about 20 Euros a shift. 7.) Uh, go for it. The manager is only 18 so it makes sense (although I am 32)
>>583017919 interesting. so learning python would be good for web dev and HTML. those are easy languages, i wonder if I could make any money whilst studying engineering (and perhaps a side/future career) freelancing?
>>583018505 >Most engineers who are good at what they do can make up to 200k. That number has been going up over time. so as a graduate chem eng of the age 21/22 I can make near 120 K? what makes me 'good'
>>583008567 >When did you start? Around 2005 >What languages do you know? C#, Java (SE & EE), Assembler (x86,x86_64, 6502, 8085) >What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Difficult to say. I liked assembler a lot, but I saw how other student had still pproblems after 6months. >What is the most useful or coveted language? Java & C# for the enterprise, assembler & c(++) for embedded systems. >Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed. >Estimated annual salary? About 45k € (would equal a salary in the US about 85k $ I think) >Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Never stop learning. And suck a lot of dick.
When did you start? When I was in my 20's What languages do you know? C#, C++, Java, PHP What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Most of the languages now are based off of some form of the C base language, meaning that they all take pretty much the same effort to learn. What is the most useful or coveted language? C# and Java Fully employed or contract jobs? Fully employed Estimated annual salary? 120K + 25K in bonuses Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Teach yourself - it is what I did. If you can teach yourself, then as languages change, which happens all the time, you can teach yourself the new stuff too.
>>583019296 If you've got more than a few years work experience, go for the masters degree. You'll get a boost in salary expectations when looking for a job. Learning on your own should be something you do even if you are studying. You have to love this programming and computer shit. I'm starting my masters next year so good luck with yours
>>583013592 i remember hearing the same 5 years ago, and 5 years before that, that it's a joke of a language. i can't tell for sure where the language is in 5 years, but as long as google and others are pushing it, stick with it.
oh btw, dont start with php. It's boring and it's worthless imo. Just because it's so fucking easy, nobody needs a "php=professional" really.
>Sometime in 1984 >C++, C#, Objective-C. HTML and PHP if you count those. If I had to, I could recall how to write code in BASIC and assembly language. >BASIC was probably easiest to learn, after that C# because of my C++ experience. >Depends on what you do...for me it's C++ and C# for game and business app development >Fully employed >$95K (in Florida) >Write programs in your free time. Figure out what you like and don't like and pursue what you do like. If you can find a mentor, that's a nice bonus.
>>583020071 flash died because of js. i used flash extensively for animations and interactive contents during the time of netscape navigator and ie6. js and browser rendering improved a lot, so flash became obsolete. with html5 it will die out certainly.
Studied IT in high school, learnt a bit of assembly, c and pascal and basis of OOL with Java and C#. After school i found a job as a delphi developer (with a contract job for 3 years), full employee as a java developer now, still in that software house. So: > started in 2009 at school (3 years of fomation) > i know delphi, java, c# ; other as php, js and css (learnt at work, i did 6 months as a web developer); DML such as Sql and Oracle 10/11 > pascal, it's basically english, doesn't take too long unless you do complocated stuff but it's not very much in use nowadays >java and database masters, also mobile and web developers >full employed > about 1.3k per month + 1,3 for christmas > no need for engieering, it's a waste of time and money, by experience i learnt much more at work than my friends who still study. God luck bro and apologies for my english hahah
>>583008567 >19 >C++, Java, MATLab, Python >Java is the easiest to start with, will take time if you know nothing though. If you are a faggot start in visual Basic. >C++ or GO are mans languages >Fully Employed >96k salary plus bonuses (Im 22) >go to a good school or put in the hours to understand similarities between all languages rather than memorizing.
>>583008567 Do it, talented C# dev can expect $80-90k/yr.
I started as a script kiddy using vb3, moved on to web development using perl and php, learned ASP then .Net vb and c#, SQL. For whatever reason I moved into systems and network administration and fell behind on my coding. It was a bad choice, dev make better money.
>>583008567 Also any variant of C and JAVA will probably be your best bet as most languages are C like. If you're young do contract work as you'll get exposed to more stuff and be better rounded. RPG programmers with workflow and business/manufacturing experience make a shitload of money.
Im a software tester. Started working 6 months ago. I know Java and Python. None are easy, takes quiet some time and dedication. Did internship during education that led to a job. I estimate my salary to be 60k $ in my first year.
>>583022289 no offence, but you should not go for programming then. People who slack with programming and dont want to invest time because it's "boring" and stuff will have no job at all later on. Programming is a lot of work. I do it for atleast 12 hours a day. And that's concidered average.
Programming isn't for everyone, in the beginning I'd put in 18 hours a day for no pay just to keep up with everything. The job is always changing and its a ton of work, also the pay is "great" if you get in with the right companies and most of them wont hire you without a good degree. I make 60k but the national average for my job description is 80k. I got my degree on the streets at the school of hard knocks. :P
>>583010841 I did this, main advice is to get your fed and a degree, unless you plan to be a consultant. Second advice is learn everything you can, start at some shit shop repairing equipment, move to tech support, get your CCNE if you want networks, Microsoft and VMware certainly if you prefer systems, go work for a consulting firm, enterprise IT is boring.
Instead of asking other people where they when / how they started, you should ask "How do I start?"
And a really good place to start is www.codecademy.com
Now, if not most, of the coding snobs in this thread will poo-poo that as being too "elementary", too much hand holding. But I found that after getting a late start on coding myself, it was very nice to have a self-pace instruction program that allowed me to see instant results of what I was being taught, and the flexibility to goof around with the lessons and teach myself little extra things that helped me really grasp the concepts they were laying out. Frankly, to me, it was a lot better than just cracking open a Programming 101 book and trying to grind it out like that. Check it oout and see if you like it. Oh yea, it's 100% FREE, so you can't beat the price.
Codecademy is fucking retarded. I've seen so many bad examples there. Also they dont do everything by the google conventions. And in my opinion, that's a very very important aspect to learn at the beginning. Else you'll have to addept and relearn all the conventions again in a year or two.
There is a specific education to become a software tester here in Sweden where i live. 1,5 year long education, 97% has a job whit in a year. Thats all and the education is located in 2 cities here. I guess I was lucky. Uni/College is free for locals here so i guess i was lucky with my options. The education is pretty much structured for you to get into the working life straight after graduation. As i said, you do an internship for 2-3 months and thats were you set up your contacts and establish yourself cus when you are done with the internship you are done with your studies and if youve done good well that gets you a job :)
>>583009195 Well, I might say that you're wrong. I'm actually in 2 year of CS bachelors, and doing research in CAGD. Also, I'm integrant of my University (UFPE - BR) competitive programming team. Knowing which doors you have to open to get the best opportunities in this area is more important than knowing a bunch of languages. I've received an offer from IBM and Facebook to do internship. And they only accept you with a CS bachelors. Ofc, if you're a true genius you might not need a bachelors, but besides that, without it you're going to be just the freelancer guy who wins 100k/yr
Hey shitstick, when you build an interactive, self-paced, completely free website that teaches coding "the right way", I'll be sure to send people to your website instead. Until then, kindly go fuck yourself with a cactus.
People need to learn if they are even going to like programming before they start memorizing your rules made of stone.
When I was 8. Php, c++, c, python, php, as3, java Python 4 months Depends on what you want to do Still 13 but I made 400$ in ad revenue on a shitty flash game I made. I get a ton of free shit from companies like Apple + Microsoft, like a mac and a surface pro. Win a lot in competitions too, I'd say i've gotten 2000$ in prizes.
>>583008567 When did you start? > about 10y ago What languages do you know? >delphi, python, c/c++, java/groovy some others What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? > it's easy and fast to learn programming. It's hard and long to learn how to be a good programmer What is the most useful or coveted language? > there is no perfect language. All languages have pros and conts, depending on the project and personnal preference. Fully employed or contract jobs? > fully employed Estimated annual salary? > about 30000€ Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? > do it, it's a great job
> What languages do you know? Java, Python, SQL, DOT, a bit C++ and a bit C#, and am getting better.
>What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? Html takes an afternoon. If we are talking about proper programming languages I'd say python. .
> What is the most useful or coveted language? Pseudocode. You can then use it with any language
> Fully employed or contract jobs? I would love to be fully employed
>Estimated annual salary? Not nearly enough.
>Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? Think about what you want to do? Apps? Embedded programs? AI? More than one is okay. Try to develop your people skills and to have diverse interests. Always try to learn more not only in programming but about everything. The learning never ends
>>583024619 Programming has to be a passion. Not everyone "gets" it either. There are some fuckwits that get through, but they end up making the profession worse, and even worse for people who get their jobs later.
>>583008567 ITT: Programmers / Software engineers / Web devs. >When did you start? Feb 2014 >What languages do you know? C++, C#, VHDL, assembly >What is the easiest to learn? how long it take? C#. i learned it quickly because i was assigned a solo project and used it daily for 9 months >What is the most useful or coveted language? for me personally, learning sorting algorithms for C++ data structures. forces you to constantly use all the fundamentals (if-statements, for-loops, etc), learn how to be efficient, how to be a diligent and patient problem solver, etc. once i had suffered through it, other new languages were easier to grasp >Fully employed or contract jobs? fully employed >Estimated annual salary? 65k usa >Advice to someone in his mid 20's who wants to go down that career path? a person who is excellent in one programming language is usually worth more than someone who is an average coder in multiple languages
>>583022289 You will get nowhere then, unless you are really good at making templates from others work and unifying shit so it doesn't look a mess, and you can easily get prototypes up and running without having to google 500 times in a week.
If you lack the ability to both love programming or love tinkering to make templates, you'll go nowhere.
Alternative solution, fix peoples computers for them, be very straight forward, say you "don't care about your files contents, just that they are recovered, I don't judge anyone." Start up at home, they can drop computer off, you fix, "hey brah compootah fixed, come pick it up", done. For those that can't travel, you could offer a go-to-the-home service where you can go there and pick it up, for an extra payment. If you have no car, this may be harder, but not impossible. Now you just need to go Google for all the best file recovery, anti virus, rootkit and everything else. Hell, pirate all Windows versions while you are at it so you can repair OSes that have been shit on by really nasty viruses.
13 years old Python, PHP, Java, JS, web (html5 etc.), Clojure, Common Lisp, C/C++, Assembly (nasm ++), and ~20 more. hasn't been made yet. In college. No idea. Learn assembly, then everything seems so easy.
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