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Buddha

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Buddha
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ah yes
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>>580882615
>>580882854
om mani padme hum
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>>580882615
Cannabis cat
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>>580883027
>om mani padme hum
Om ah ra pa tza na dhi
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>>580883245
Just do it. Buddha would.
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>>580883686
>Om ah ra pa tza na dhi

I want to learn more
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>>580883686
Zippity zap zop zoop
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>>580884071
mantras?
om tare tuttare ture soha
om muni muni mahamuni soha
the list goes on
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>>580884519
Is there a nice little spot for reading?
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>>580882854

"Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared"

-Buddha
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>>580884072

Now I want some Jello. So much for ending desire for a moment.
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>>580884704
mantras? i don't know I am sure you could google Buddhist mantras.
I learnt loads as I lived in a monestry, though I cant remember all the "correct" ways to write them down in English
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>>580883027

Om mani padme hum. Om mani padme hum. Om mani padme hum.
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>>580885148
lived in a monestry? how long?

I need any information you have about the craft of tattoos. If you know anything of course. I would be most grateful.
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>>580885148
>I learnt loads as I lived in a monestry,

Where was your monastery? Why did you leave?
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>>580885516
>I need any information you have about the craft of tattoos. If you know anything of course. I would be most grateful.

What are you trying to tattoo?
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>>580885856
Nothing, just a apprentice looking for information in the right places. Not /b/ of course, but hey why not. It is buddha after all.
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>>580885516
lived there twice, once for 9 months second time about 7 months.

I dont do tatoos, why you ask I do not know.
yet again google is your friend

>>580885749
I went there to learn and reaffirm my practise, essentially rewiring of behaviors and attitudes to life.
I am a lay practitioner, following a tantric path, I do not need to be in direct solitude or ordain.
Its not my way.
So I left when i didn't need to be there anymore
Actually I am going back next week, for a week. haven't been there for 4 years
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I love these threads, so thank you.
Still high off a "public" ritual I attended on thursday night.
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>>580886686
public ritual?

care to elaborate..
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>Dr. Will Gruber: When did you begin to believe you were Jesus?
>John Oldman: When did you begin to believe you were a psychiatrist?
>Dr. Will Gruber: Since I graduated from Harvard Medical School and finished my residency, I've >had that feeling. Why I sometimes dream about it.
>John Oldman: Have you acted upon this belief?
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>>580886957
How to put it. There were people there that had no idea what was going on, and technically anybody could attend so long as they purchased access, but what they believed to be entertainment had a much deeper intention behind it all. As such, we practised our magik right before their closed eyes. And now I've said too much according to the orders, but I have yet to take a vow of silence and as such I can only hope that I can help guide the way for at least one person through my honest openness on the subject. After all, what >>580884778
said.
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>>580886229
>I went there to learn and reaffirm my practise, essentially rewiring of behaviors and attitudes to life.

I'm currently in the process of doing that-- thought not a monastery, about as intense in focus and discipline of doing so.
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>>580887457
So you are following the left hand paths, it's ok good and bad are mutually existant, just know if you are using others, especially their spiritual energy, for your own personal gain, you will hinder your own future migration rather than have the effects you desire.
This life is fleeting so to focus on attaining much in this one life, is stupid.
Gather up riches for future lives, is the wisest decision
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>>580886686
>Still high off a "public" ritual I attended on thursday night.

What kind of public ritual?
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>>580888186
Eh, I hope I'm not following the left hand. I actually believe in strengthening one another by collectively growing our energy exponentially. That's what I feel we were doing there, not feeding off the unaware. Those with their eyes shut weren't even in our presence as far as I was concerned. I haven't yet been initiated into any physical order yet, but I'm pretty sure I have extensive knowledge on the subject.

>>580888426
look at: >>580887457
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>>580888186
>So you are following the left hand paths, it's ok good and bad are mutually existant, just know if you are using others, especially their spiritual energy, for your own personal gain, you will hinder your own future migration rather than have the effects you desire.

I never understood.

What exactly is the focus of the left hand paths?

>>580888416
What is that?

>>580887457
>our magik right before their closed eyes.

What kind of magic? I have a feeling this had something more to do with witchcraft. >>580887064
>>John Oldman: Have you acted upon this belief?

Most psychiatrists are, in fact, themselves crazy.

>>580886957
>care to elaborate..

I'm also curious about this public ritual and what exactly is meant.

>>580886229
>lived there twice, once for 9 months second time about 7 months.

Sounds like my times in the mental hospital. Although, I firmly believe that monasteries are just more compassionate mental hospitals now.

>>580885148
>I learnt loads as I lived in a monestry, though I cant remember all the "correct" ways to write them down in English

Which sect of Buddhism did your monastery practice? Which language?

>>580883528
I have heard marijuana referred to as "Buddha" a few times throughout my life.
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>>580882615
yer not one of them knox college students who just recently finished a buddhism class are yah?
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>>580889096
left hand path
>do what is opposed to reach liberation. >Become a tranny and promote peace at a church in the south by use of magik ritual and mantras

basically if you you don't really give a fuck about society.

liberation by anarchy
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>>580888607
>Eh, I hope I'm not following the left hand. I actually believe in strengthening one another by collectively growing our energy exponentially. That's what I feel we were doing there, not feeding off the unaware. Those with their eyes shut weren't even in our presence as far as I was concerned. I haven't yet been initiated into any physical order yet, but I'm pretty sure I have extensive knowledge on the subject.

What type of magic do you practice? I have read some of Anton Lavey's writings about collective energy and how some people feed off of other people's energies.
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>>580889384
>basically if you you don't really give a fuck about society.

So more or less, you mean nihilism and nihilistic philosophy. Which, is, simply westernized Buddhism.
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>>580889327
>yer not one of them knox college students who just recently finished a buddhism class are yah?

Oh no. I have been practicing Buddhism for 9 years now.
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>>580884519
>om tare tuttare ture soha

What do these mantras mean? Where did you get them from?

Why do you practice mantra?
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>>580889726
ok. cool, because their final was today and i was like "this is weeeeeiiiiirdly coincidental..."
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>>580890001
>ok. cool, because their final was today and i was like "this is weeeeeiiiiirdly coincidental..."

Do you happen to be one of those students?
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>>580889096
>What exactly is the focus of the left hand paths?
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the left hand path has more to do with focus on the self rather than on connection to others. It appears more immediately gratifying because you can "enrich" your life through its means. The catch is that often you end up pushing against others rather than syncing with them. Rather than joining others lifting one another up you step on them to lift yourself up. This can only go so far though before it implodes on you and karma makes you pay.

>What kind of magic?
We were mirrors to each other, meeting at a nexus. We projected our light out to one another and it bounced off each one of us growing exponentially. Our beings "vibrated" at elevated "frequencies." We sent out this energy into the world, and bottled it up within ourselves so that we could shine those brightened torches we carried wherever we went when we left to go out into the world, knowing that everywhere we pass through will be resonating at a more divine level so that whoever else passes through looking for support would pick up on it.
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>>580890429
i do XD
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>>580888607
I couldn't tell you if you are on the darkside young jedi lol
Just be careful with these things esoteric practices are quite powerful.
Intention and aspersion is always an indicator of where the practices are taking you, with true inner strength from someone with a pure heart even black magic can be turnt into a pure practice

>>580889096
Left hand, as opposed to right hand, It is quite complicated, but it is like this image here, there is much hidden symbolism in that image. left hand paths are esoteric and can be worldly in nature, So although i am not a stereotype monk living on 1 meal a day, no money, only a robe, bowl and mala, didnt take alll the monks vows, I follow a left hand path, tantra/taoist, where nothing is immoral, no external religion. I can be even more pure in my path as it is a left hand path.

I do believe too that psychiatrists are crazy themselves, they force their religion on other people and force them to take drugs, electrocute them...etc, all awhile thinking they are correct through a genuine science, when in fact it is a pseudo science.. They have the social status to do it too, which is the worst thing!

I practiced with Tibetan Buddhist sect, but spoke in English, all Buddhist sect have Buddhas teachings in Sanskrit though it is a dead language.

And calling ganja Buddha like a bud of weed, is a hip hop street term...Buddha wouldn't mind lol
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>>580889726
You been to Lumbini yet brother? I lived like 30 minutes from there for the first 10 years of my life.its really enlightening to see monks spend their whole life looking for enlightenment
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>>580889096
>I have a feeling this had something more to do with witchcraft
Sorry if I be that guy, but there I think that there is only one "religion," it just gets interpretted many different ways and as such has many manifestations. Witchcraft and Buddhism are essentially talking about the same thing from different perspectives. I might be wrong, and people in this thread might disagree, but unless I am unwelcome to continue I do love esoteric discussions.
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>>580890616
>i do XD

How were finals?

Ironically, when I was in college, none of my classes were even remotely close to Buddhism. Maybe 1 psychology class. I was in school for Computer Science.
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>>580889862
The mantra can be a quick way to remember a longer teaching

Body is nothing more than emptiness, emptiness is nothing more than body.
The body is exactly empty, and emptiness is exactly body.

The other four aspects of human existence --
feeling, thought, will, and consciousness --
are likewise nothing more than emptiness,
and emptiness nothing more than they.

All things are empty: Nothing is born, nothing dies,
nothing is pure, nothing is stained, nothing increases and nothing decreases.

So, in emptiness, there is no body, no feeling, no thought,
no will, no consciousness. There are no eyes, no ears,
no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind. There is no seeing, no hearing,
no smelling, no tasting, no touching, no imagining. There is nothing seen, nor heard, nor smelled, nor tasted, nor touched, nor imagined.

There is no ignorance,
and no end to ignorance. There is no old age and death,
and no end to old age and death. There is no suffering, no cause of suffering,
no end to suffering, no path to follow. There is no attainment of wisdom, and no wisdom to attain.

The Bodhisattvas rely on the Perfection of Wisdom, and so with no delusions,
they feel no fear, and have Nirvana here and now.

All the Buddhas, past, present, and future, rely on the Perfection of Wisdom, and live in full enlightenment.

The Perfection of Wisdom is the greatest mantra.
It is the clearest mantra,
the highest mantra,
the mantra that removes all suffering.

This is truth that cannot be doubted.
Say it so:
Gaté, gaté, paragaté, parasamgaté.
Bodhi! Svaha!

Which means...

Gone, gone, gone over,
gone fully over.
Awakened! So be it!
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>>580890429
interesting class. talked about mahayana vs theravada.
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>>580890832
fairly easy, but there were some key parts that i kinda messed up on... slip of mind since the test was at 8:30
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Sorry op, I respect Buddhism but to convert would mean the trade of precious porn and alcohol.
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>>580889862
matras means mind protection.

Basically every quality of the purist mind state...buddha, that we could all achieve, is personified in buddhism, so om tare tuttare ture soha is green tara, swift compassion, or om mani padme hum, isavalokiteshvara all encompassing compassion, you would say om mani padme hum if you was people suffering, calling out to the purist mindstate in yourself, or if you were suffering, same thing.

There are many different uses for them, and I could explain more.
as for there meanings, I do not know every mantras meaning, but they are sanskrit, which is a dead language,
om mani padme hum means something like behold the jewel in the lotus.
Which in buddhism both the jewel and lotus are symbolic
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>>580890508
>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the left hand path has more to do with focus on the self rather than on connection to others. It appears more immediately gratifying because you can "enrich" your life through its means. The catch is that often you end up pushing against others rather than syncing with them. Rather than joining others lifting one another up you step on them to lift yourself up. This can only go so far though before it implodes on you and karma makes you pay.

I read something about a form of Tantric Buddhism that involved fulfilling all one's desires until one had none anymore and was completely satisfied with life. But I found this form of Buddhism to be a completely oxymoron and incompatible with the Pali Canon.

>We were mirrors to each other, meeting at a nexus. We projected our light out to one another and it bounced off each one of us growing exponentially. Our beings "vibrated" at elevated "frequencies." We sent out this energy into the world, and bottled it up within ourselves so that we could shine those brightened torches we carried wherever we went when we left to go out into the world, knowing that everywhere we pass through will be resonating at a more divine level so that whoever else passes through looking for support would pick up on it.

And what is done with this light? What is the purpose of these rituals and beliefs?

>>580890712
>Intention and aspersion is always an indicator of where the practices are taking you, with true inner strength from someone with a pure heart even black magic can be turnt into a pure practice

Correct intention and focus are important parts of any practice.
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>>580890712
>Left hand, as opposed to right hand, It is quite complicated, but it is like this image here, there is much hidden symbolism in that image. left hand paths are esoteric and can be worldly in nature, So although i am not a stereotype monk living on 1 meal a day, no money, only a robe, bowl and mala, didnt take alll the monks vows, I follow a left hand path, tantra/taoist, where nothing is immoral, no external religion. I can be even more pure in my path as it is a left hand path.

I find all these symbols and objects revolving around the philosophy to be meaningless and entirely against the purpose of Buddhism itself.

>>580890712
>I do believe too that psychiatrists are crazy themselves, they force their religion on other people and force them to take drugs, electrocute them...etc, all awhile thinking they are correct through a genuine science, when in fact it is a pseudo science.. They have the social status to do it too, which is the worst thing!

I agree that psychiatry and psychology are themselves just forms of cultism, on an extreme form. They use force to get people to see and do and behave their way.

>>580890712
>And calling ganja Buddha like a bud of weed, is a hip hop street term...Buddha wouldn't mind lol

I read somewhere that Buddha actually smoked certain herbs and allowed such for his monks in practice.
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>>580890724
>You been to Lumbini yet brother? I lived like 30 minutes from there for the first 10 years of my life.its really enlightening to see monks spend their whole life looking for enlightenment

I have been to India, but never Lumbini. That is somewhere I will visit very soon. I'd love to see Lumbini.

>>580890829
>Sorry if I be that guy, but there I think that there is only one "religion," it just gets interpretted many different ways and as such has many manifestations. Witchcraft and Buddhism are essentially talking about the same thing from different perspectives. I might be wrong, and people in this thread might disagree, but unless I am unwelcome to continue I do love esoteric discussions.

I find Witchcraft and Buddhism to be directly opposite, actually.

>>580890879
>All things are empty: Nothing is born, nothing dies,

Correct. Everything comes from nothing and returns to nothing. Everything is nothing. This whole world is entirely nothing and meaningless.
>>580890895
>interesting class. talked about mahayana vs theravada.

I think Theravada is much cooler. Mahayana is bogus.

>>580891000
>fairly easy, but there were some key parts that i kinda messed up on... slip of mind since the test was at 8:30

What other finals did you have today? What is your major?

>>580891096
>Sorry op, I respect Buddhism but to convert would mean the trade of precious porn and alcohol.

Those are both very hard things to give up. But, they honestly don't make anyone truly happy.
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>>580891983
>And what is done with this light? What is the purpose of these rituals and beliefs?
Ascension. I find Buddhism has one big flaw: it has misinterpreted the static yet "vibrating" state of all existence (God, if you will, or "Nirvana" as many Buddhists call it) to be the end all, however it seems to ignore the very purpose of individualization. We are a drop in that eternal river, that endless sea, right? Well, just as we can unify with that ocean, so we can also experience it subjectively. That is the point of the rituals and that is the point of aspiring for ascension.
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>>580892291
>I find Witchcraft and Buddhism to be directly opposite, actually.

Care to elaborate? If you feel that I actually just answered this in >>580892838 just say so.
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>>580890508
Although you are not exactly wrong about the left hand, its not necessarily selfish in nature.
It is the methods that define the difference, the left is more unconventional esoteric, where the right is exoteric, conventional.
I.E people who practice the left can practice both black and white magic, where someone on the right could only practice white magic.
I don't particularly like to use the word magic, just am here for an analogy.


>>580891983
>I read something about a form of Tantric Buddhism that involved fulfilling all one's desires until one had none anymore and was completely satisfied with life. But I found this form of Buddhism to be a completely oxymoron and incompatible with the Pali Canon.

You are taking about the tantra here, no it is not contradictory at all, just not easy to understand, you have to have a strong foundation in the 3 antidotes before you could practise. Dukkha does not rely upon anything to function, so no external desire, or aversion from it could release you of dukkha... hense tantra, excess in desire

>>580892108
>I find all these symbols and objects revolving around the philosophy to be meaningless and entirely against the purpose of Buddhism itself

Not exactly, see the image, there is the ida pingala and shashmura there, at the navel, knowledge of this is needed to get to nirvana,

Anyway buddha said to use any method that will lead to liberation.
Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it

Buddha
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>>580892291
>Correct. Everything comes from nothing and returns to nothing. Everything is nothing. This whole world is entirely nothing and meaningless.

No, you have completely misunderstood the heart sutra there.
You are talking about nothingness, the heart sutra is about emptiness
It is not depressing by far, it is metaphysics.
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>>580893486
When speaking about such topics we always have to result to metaphors. I too don't like the term magik, but it's the closest word to express what I mean. Would you say that the left hand path is perhaps more focused on the physical rather than on the astral?
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>>580893486
>I.E people who practice the left can practice both black and white magic, where someone on the right could only practice white magic.

What is the point of black magic? How is black magic enlightening? Isn't black magic a method of causing harm to others?
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>>580893486
>You are taking about the tantra here, no it is not contradictory at all, just not easy to understand, you have to have a strong foundation in the 3 antidotes before you could practise. Dukkha does not rely upon anything to function, so no external desire, or aversion from it could release you of dukkha... hense tantra, excess in desire

I don't understand how chasing desires can release one from the suffering of desire or averision.

>>580893486
>Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it

This is all true, but it seems that the externals and symbols are mere husks of true Dharma. One becomes attached to these things and not to true practice.

>>580893802
>You are talking about nothingness, the heart sutra is about emptiness

What does the "emptiness" of the Heart Sutra mean to you? How does one find emptiness? Is emptiness the point of no desire or aversion?

>>580894074
>When speaking about such topics we always have to result to metaphors. I too don't like the term magik, but it's the closest word to express what I mean. Would you say that the left hand path is perhaps more focused on the physical rather than on the astral?

I do believe that the left hand path is more focused on the material and less focused on the cure of suffering.
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>>580894196
>Isn't black magic a method of causing harm to others?
I would say black magic is more about the manipulation of others rather than harm. If you find an oasis in the desert and then find a blind man wandering through the desert and point him in its direction, is that technically harmful? It might be, and it might not. It could definitely be considered unethical though, which is why many "white" practitioners insist on acquiring permission before doing anything.

Also, I had an insight, but I say this as a "non-buddhist." Is Nirvana not when the subjective tunes into the objective and thus allows for the universe to become aware of itself from one of an infinite perspectives?
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>>580894196
>>580894656
By the way, I certainly am not excluding that there are black magicians who do harm others.
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>>580894074
No it is not focused on the physical world, if you was just a normal 9-5, blow wages on weekend, wife 2.4 kids, mortgage, retire die, worldly person then you are not even on a path.
the only difference between people on the left or right is there methods, there asperations can be the same. in christianity your local preist would be on a right hand path, even know he is molesting children, but then you have a christian mont in an abbey, self mortification, fasting etc, on the left hand path, but more pure than the preist, even know there aspirations could be the same.

Think of the dalai lama, seen as a high practitioner, worldly as fuck, guarenteed he hasn't even renounced, well I know he hasn't as he hasn't even rid himself of the 3 lower fetters.
He would be following a left hand path, tantra, in secret, externally looking like a humble, disciplined monk.

>>580894196
No essentiall, the only different betweeen black and white magic is the energies used. a person can still practise black magic and be pure not harming others.
white manly uses energies of the cosmos, nature or ancestors (horoscope is actually a white magic, divination) black uses bodily energy, animals energies, sexual energies, as well as nature and the cosmos, spirits etc...
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>>580882615
buddha was a bitch nigga
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>>580884071
Goto Nepal If You want to learn more about Buddha. Its the place where Gautam Buddha was born so you are certified to get first hand knowledge on him and his teachings.
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>>580895395
>white manly uses energies of the cosmos, nature or ancestors (horoscope is actually a white magic, divination) black uses bodily energy, animals energies, sexual energies, as well as nature and the cosmos, spirits etc...

Do you have a book recommendation for me? What you just said there has grabbed my interest and it's something I'm going to meditate on. A more detailed analysis of this perspective would be appreciated.
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I am the universe and the universe is me.
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>>580895996
Hello.
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>>580889560
>Which, is, simply westernized Buddhism.

How do you figure?
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>>580896021
hej :>
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>>580896236
So... what's up?

>>580896113
I think OP may have gone.
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to desire to be enlightened is also a desire.

to stop the quaking mess you think you are is exactly the quaking mess
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>>580894542
>Also, I had an insight, but I say this as a "non-buddhist." Is Nirvana not when the subjective tunes into the objective and thus allows for the universe to become aware of itself from one of an infinite perspectives?

That is actually a beautiful sentence there. Although that isn't nirvana, buddhist philosophy is extremely pedantic about phenomena,, so ultimately the cosmos itself is empty of an inherent existence, It can not become self aware.

>>580894542
>I don't understand how chasing desires can release one from the suffering of desire or averision.
because the actual objects of desire do not cause suffering, attachments does. with tantra, say you have an attachment to chocolate cake, you eat chocolate cake constantly until the attachment dissipates through indulgence, eventually you will never eat chocolate cake again....this is just a simple explanation, but I am sure you can get it.
>This is all true, but it seems that the externals and symbols are mere husks of true Dharma. One becomes attached to these things and not to true practice.
True dharma is not external to us, it doesnt come from books or listening to teachings, there is conventional dharma in these things, even in other religions and philosophies, including christianity and islam. The ultimate dharma comes from or true nature, buddha.
>What does the "emptiness" of the Heart Sutra mean to you? How does one find emptiness? Is emptiness the point of no desire or aversion?
Not a concept to be explained here really,
emptiness is not a concept, or a factor of the mind, it is the ultimate truth of reality, we do not see it now because we are controlled by ignorance.
So emptiness in not a point you get to, of desire or aversion.
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>>580896571

chilling, listening to some really sweet neofolk guitar. Gonner see the movie fury with my best m8 today. what about you?
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>>580891983
>incompatible with the Pali Canon.

So? The Pali canon was written hundreds of years after the death of the buddha following a political decree to unify the Buddhisms by King Asoka. Notice the plural because there were 18 oral traditions which predate theravada. The personal teacher of Asoka was put in charge of this council and specifically forbid any monks who disagreed with his views (all other sects), which is how the Pali Canon came about.

These sects disagreed with the Pali school (theravada) on critical issues, including whether or not arhats where enlightened at all, whether or not it was full enlightenment; whether meditation was relevant on the path or if compassion, wisdom and merit were the real things that brought the fruit; the original purity of the minds of sentient beings, and the emphasis on the bodhisattva path.

It wasn't merely a matter of disagreeing over translations of what the Buddha meant, but direct disagreements over what he taught to begin with.

This shouldn't be shocking, the Pali takes between 7 and 11 months to recite orally a single time and it was hundreds of years after the death of the Buddha that anything was written down.

So though one should study the Pali, one should take it with a grain of salt and not fool oneself into thinking it is the words of the Buddha or even the closest thing we know to his teachings (as mentioned, 18 earlier traditions, which we know quite a decent bit about).
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>>580891983
>I read something about a form of Tantric Buddhism that involved fulfilling all one's desires until one had none anymore

Not exactly, the texts that mention exhausting the passions are speaking about how in the initial moment of any passion there is a brief moment of purity before the second aspect (the defilement occurs) and through training one can separate these two aspects, eventually exhausting the passions.

It really is much closer the Mahayana's principle of training where you apply antidotes to already arisen passions and passions as they arise.

Lastly, keep in mind the Pali depicts the Buddha pretty much affirming that liberation from unpleasantness into nibbana being his emphasis. If the tantric path is able to do just that, then it is perfectly in accords with the core spirit of the Pali. In the tantric schools you are referencing it is just through a pure pleasure that breaks down constructed perception and so leads to an authentic glimpse of the primordial gnosis (nirvana), which is then taken as a natural meditation to complete the fruition.
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>>580896579
>to desire to be enlightened is also a desire.
Which is why enlightenment is so fulfilling. Without that desire or anticipation, how could we appreciate it?

>>580896642
>It can not become self aware.
Not from it's objective perspective, no, because it just "is," right? But since we are an element within that cosmos, and we can experience the cosmos as a whole, does that not allow us to become aware of what we're dealing with/experiencing and what we're a part of?

>>580896670
I think that today I'm going to finish writing a song I spontaneously started a couple days ago (I've never written one before) and then I'm going to try to write a new chapter in my novel.
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>>580895750
Yea,

Bring out the magic in your mind. by al koran.

white magic, but It wont be what you expect though, it is more of methods to change your vibrations in life, if you practice them.

If you want to get into the occult there is the satanic gremoire, alistar crowly book of law, blavastksy's work, they will be on the internet
I couldnt really suggest any book to you, gotta watch my karma, dont know what you would use it for.

If you really want to get into magic You need meditation, yoga asanas and pranayama, or gong fu and chi gong, or maybe you could find your own methods, you will need these things though, so it is like 4 different disciplines needed,
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>>580892108
>I follow a left hand path, tantra/taoist,
>where nothing is immoral

You are simply not speaking of Buddhist tantra. You are mixing philosophies and labels. Your approach is highly perinnial and is more a German Romantic path with a buddhistic tantristic flair than a Buddhist path.
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>>580897064

cool what genre did you have in mind?
i've somtimes wanted to compose a score for an orchestra but i dont have the skills to put it to words. oh well

> Which is why enlightenment is so fulfilling. Without that desire or anticipation, how could we appreciate it?

i remember an evening especially where i watched some talks with Echart tolle where i realized what he was talking about. I've never had such a big smile and relief before. It was fantastic.
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>>580897130
Thank you. I am familiar with about half of what you mentioned there. I'll look into and apply the others as destiny appropriates it. I suppose I just want to strengthen my awareness of myself and my environment so that I can ultimately walk forward better, protect myself, and help others when they ask for it.

>>580897396
>cool what genre did you have in mind?
I don't know. All I know is that I have the words, and they need to go to inspired music.
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>>580897256
Not true, do you have you practised?
There is no good or bad in the void...the tao
in dharma, there are actions and effects, one leads to the other, through a series of dependant links, this is karma

Take milarepa for example, he didnt follow the middle way, obviously black magic before he looked for redemption, only worldy desire, then his teacher marpa scorned him, milarepa renounced, followed the extreme ascetic tantric path cane enlightened.
I am not mixing labels or philosophies, I practice dharma, not Buddhism, I follow the Dao not practice Taoism...
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>>580892838
>however it seems to ignore the very purpose of individualization. We are a drop in that eternal river, that endless sea, right? Well, just as we can unify with that ocean, so we can also experience it subjectively.


Buddhism considers the notion that "all is one" to be a delusion. Buddhism isn't a monism.

It doesn't downplay the importance of subjective experience or individualization or individual contributions. The Indian laypeoples also made this mistake, Nagarjuna distinguishes self, not-self, and not-not-self, you are mistaking the Buddhist not-self for the not-not-self, which Buddhism considers an error.

Non-dual does not mean one, multiplicity and the single-taste co-emerge paradoxically and are held on equal ground. There is not some hierarchy where some shared singularity has privileged status in Buddhism or is considered more true or profound, instead multiplicity and singularity have some irreducible dialectical relationship. You seem to be ignoring one of the oldest discussions in Buddhism in regards to either being the sugar or tasting the sugar.

In fact I will go as far as to say that Buddhism highly reaffirms the individual experience by asserting things like subjective experience, as each point, in the universe is its very center point.

Furthermore, I would recommend you study Tibetan autobiographies (of masters like Jigme Lingpa) and see that Buddhism as manifested in Tibet has just as strong sense of individuality and individual freedom as western autobiographical writings. How it reaffirms the extreme uniqueness of each individual despite our similarities and interdependence.
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>>580893802
Nothingness and emptiness are both functional translations for sunnata/sunyata and have been for a long time.
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>>580896725
Wise words here anon

apparently ananda remembered every word, and commuted it oraly, so the linage is pure.
Thing is a lot of the pali is monastic rules, the vinaya and the abhidhamma isnt really buddhas teachings but buddhist.
and with buddhism, sutras to come after were often written down as discourses, that buddha did, which he didnt do, like the heart sutra and perfection of wisdoms.
this is fine, because ultimately the people who writ them had recognized there true nature and were buddha
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>>580898327
Well, thanks for your response, it must have taken a while to type out. However, was Buddhism not based on the beliefs of Hinduism, which at it's core is a monotheistic religion (in a henotheistic way that the one God had many forms and expressions)? Why does Buddhism consider that "all is one" to be a delusion? What causes this delusion to happen?
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I'm too lazy to be a buddhist. The consequences of ignorance.don't seem that dire anyways. If the universe didn't want to dream, it wouldn't have gone to sleep.
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only if people actually knew where buddha was really born.
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>>580898470
Emptiness can mean being free of independent origin. Emptiness I was taught as being different than nothingness, although I could see those two being translated as the same word, the subtle difference may be lost in translation.

>>580899023

I consider myself to be a Buddhist, I was taught that ultimately anyone who takes refuge in the Dharma can consider themselves a Buddhist if they like. I was also taught that in many buddhist faiths, those are considered buddhist only if they take refuge in the 3 jewels, the Dharma (Buddhist Doctrine), the Sangha, and Buddha. In that sense I would not be a Buddhist as I do not belong to a Sangha.

When I sat down to meditate, I looked before me and saw that there was a mountain. In my meditation, there was no mountain. Then there was a mountain again.
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>>580888186
Isnt buddha like nietsche. Didnt he teach that one should give zero (i repeat 0) fucks about the next live or the after life.

Somehow you faggots ruined his teachings and make a new christianity like buddhism with:
- good rebirths
- afterlife
- hell, heaven


You are all homos!!!
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>>580898917
Buddha wouldnt explain that because it would not benefit anyone ever, buddhists just say from beginningless time.
it was some of the silent discorses, they are known by. people asked him about god and he wouldnt say anything.
it is basically, why worry about the jalor while you are in prison, focus on getting out of prison first, then you can deal with the jailor.

where hindus, had gods, brhama vishnu, buddha knew the dharma and recognized that the are empty of a true existence, but this isnt a type of thing to take lightly, they may lack true existence, but can still function.
just as a car lacks a true existence but you jump in front of one going 100mph, it will kill you.
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>>580899453
No, Buddhism is all about compassion. What use is meditation and practice if it does not help one be more compassionate. The achievements of enlightenment and nirvana are only achieved through love.
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>>580895395
>seen as a high practitioner

except by himself and his teachers

>worldly as fuck

No drugs, a virgin, eats very simply, living as a Bodhisattva. No that isn't worldly. Living amongst the worst isn't living by the world. According to your apparent view, all Mahayanists would be following left hand paths, which is just incoherent (the term left hand comes from Indian Hindu Tantrics and really is misplaced in a discussion about Buddhists).

>guarenteed he hasn't even renounced

He has taken the Bodhisattva vows.

>He would be following... ...tantra, in secret
>externally looking like a humble, disciplined monk.

There is no difference here, tantra is often practiced by monks and that is how it historically has been most practiced. Nearly all yogis were ordained monks at some point, lay yogis are rare.

He has said so himself, during the mind and life conferences, that despite him being the formal head of kalachakra and so gives public initiations and such. That he has neglected Vajrayana in favor of something more suited to his capacities, which he considers working on Tsongkhapa styled valid cognition and studying Nagarjuna.
Most of his meditations are directly pertaining to emptiness, he has of course done guru yoga like pretty much any Tibetan monk, but it is likely that he has spent more time doing Ati Dzogpa Chenpo than Vajrayana (just based on the inclinations of his teachers and what he himself has reported). For example, according to his own reports he has had direct introduction to the authentic Rigpa (the actual clear light opposed to the non-actual), but this wasn't through the typical tantric methods, like the mother-tantra pure-pleasure approach, but through Ati Dzogpa Chenpo via Dilgo Khyentse.
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>>580895996

“You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.”

― Alan W. Watts
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>>580896579
>to desire to be enlightened is also a desire

You are equivocating on two different uses of the term desire. In the Buddhist sense, simple desire to be enlightened isn't trishna.
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>>580899613
The one reason I like Buddha is, because he didnt claim anything extraordinary. I remember one quote from him, which made me like buddhism in the first place.

After he was asked about the after life, Buddha said: "It doesnt matter what happens when we die, the only thing that matters is here and now!"

That made me respect him, now you scared faggots take his words back and claim there is something like rebirth, heaven, nirvana.. whatever.

So you homos know better than the original Buddha what happens after we die?? Well, fuck you!
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>>580900047
why did I even bother replying? fuck you too bud.
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>>580900194
no compassion for me? well you fucked up your practise now.. thats bad karma bro, you can say goodbye to your nirvana ;)
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bump of lurking
Keep it up guys, thanks for this
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>>580900047
>This one faggot

you can't enter a higher realm without doing the right things. And as such, what really matters is what we do here right now.

Just read it for 5 to 7 times. Let your intelligence catch up.
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>>580899623
We were talking about left and right hand practices, I used the dalai lama as an explanation, to show how someone could be following a left hand path, look like they are following a right, or be seen as a high practitioner, but actually worldly.
The person asked me to describe, as they assumed a left hand meant worldy and right ment cosmos.

in islam sharia would be the right where suif would be the left, and same in Tibetan buddhism tantra is the left sutra is the right.

The dalia lama is extremely worldly, he accumulates vast amount of money, lives and travels in luxury, writes poems and stuff etc
hes expelled vast amount of practitioners from monasteries because of practices not according to his rule.
free tibet campaign,
being a countries leader/politician
list goes on
The main thing here is that he has attachments to rites and rituals, the 3rd fetter, so He is not even a sotapanna, a renunciate. He has worldy concerns
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>>580900694
>higher realm
You are missing the point mate. If you dont see the absolute perfection of this world, then you are the one who is still fucking blind.
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>>580899713
Gold

"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death. Life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves."
-Bill Hicks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0

>>580900617
Like I said earlier, I love these threads. I am also thankful. Glad to know there are lurkers :)

>>580900694
>you can't enter a higher realm without doing the right things. And as such, what really matters is what we do here right now.
I completely agree.

>>580900791
The world can be perfect and yet it can have many different dimensions. I'm pretty sure that when he said "higher realm" he meant the movement that our individuals make to explore reality as a whole from new perspectives. Honestly, I've been reading your posts and I can't tell if you're a troll or not, but you seem to be quite confrontational. I wish you peace.
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>>580901129
It's because I dont like to devalue this current life. And we obviously would be doing it by giving more importance to things that might/or might not come in the future.

Also, didnt Alan Watts said.. I m paraphrasing here... that the desire to get rid of desires (or attain enlightenment, nirvana, higher states, whatever) is a desire too and you should get rid of it as well???

You guys are missing the point of buddhism in my opinion, but whatever makes you happy.
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>>580900791
>>580900047

you can see the perfection, but in reality it is dukkha, and no matter what world system or realm of existence, there will always be impermanence and dukkha.
So this is why the Wise choose to find a way to be free from the cycle.

buddha explained reincarnation, the realms of existance and even the make up of our cosmos and the world systems, he didnt go deep into the beings who live there, but what he was saying was there is aliens. buddha even explained about atoms and the sub atomic level, which is still only theoretical quantum physics now....
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>>580901639
Source on Buddha talking about atoms/sub atomic levels?

Also: What is so bad about having to experience dukkha?
Dukkha - from my perspective - is mostly a necessity to get new perspectives.
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I would like to know how Buddha places as mortal or immortal.

Was he a god or just simply enlightened?
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>>580897953
>Not true, do you have you practised?

I have recently got back from a 6 year retreat and will be going back for at least another year after winter. I have been studying for a long time and majored in Buddhist studied.

>There is no good or bad in the void

There are still provisional consequences for good and back actions. The Buddha taught good and bad, and those truths are still truths. Furthermore, the void isn't a place, there is nothing beyond the veil, all the void does is end up reaffirming the mundane world.

Any notion of the void beyond that, as some sort of locus that the world comes from are actually Japanese and Chinese pre-buddhist native ideas that were explained in buddhist language once Buddhism came into and were adopted by these countries.

You simply won't find their Indian contemporaries speaking in this manner, nor the Buddha. What they taught was instead that there were only super-loci with no underlying reality, but this lack of underlying reality


>Tao

This is what I am talking about, the Tao, and concepts like "harmony" and "nature" are not Buddhist, Tao is an underlying locus and does not resemble Buddha's sunatta. In fact, the Buddha seems to be attacking positions that are in accordance with presentations of the Tao. The Tao is an instance of what some scholars have pinpointed as directly contradicting the Buddhist notion of dependent origination.


>Take milarepa for example, he didnt follow the middle way

In the Mahayana sense, he sure did.

>the extreme ascetic

No, living naked in a cave practicing tummo isn't considered extreme ascetic by Tibetan or Indian standards. Nor Buddhism's. Fasting is perfectly acceptable and he actually achieved freedom when he established himself in the middle-way.

>I am not mixing labels or philosophies

You are, you are mixing the dao and dependent origination, which don't actually mix.

>I practice dharma

Not the Buddhardharma.
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>>580901639
dukkha arises only when you cling onto things.. impermanence is needed to give value to things.

If you could have something whenever you wanted it, this thing would be of little value to you (no matter what it was)

Also, its been 2500 years now.. Its fairly easy to put words in Buddhas, or Jesus words now and claim they said or didnt say something.
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>>580898279
I am serious, German romantic approaches to the contemplative life and transcendence were all about inclusive topicalism, perennialism and "finding your own path".
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>>580901592
I know what you are saying here and I would agree too, the desire to be free is still a chain.
It would go away naturaly on the path anyway, so at the end its called "kill the buddha" before nirvanna.
But generally in the buddhist sense
wholesome types of desire such as the desire to benefit others or to follow the Buddhist path

are not seen as tashna, a craving that creates dukkha.
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>>580901592
I get the impression there are a lot of 'buddhists' who think the practices, rituals, etc, they are attached to don't count for some reason
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>>580901592
>You guys are missing the point of buddhism in my opinion
First off, I'm not buddhist. Yes, I know this is a thread about Buddhism.

>It's because I dont like to devalue this current life. And we obviously would be doing it by giving more importance to things that might/or might not come in the future.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I think that by paying attention to one's current direction ("what matters is what is now"), you are actually enhancing and valuing your current life more while simultaneously being able to positively affect the "future."
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>>580901875
I'm not enlightened, but whenever I meditate on the question "who am I", I get visions of the whole world/universe and I cant be mad at anything, since it seems that everything is my creation ..

I'm guessing buddha realised something similar, and the deamons which he confronted are just a metaphor for his desires (to have women, to be a monarch like his father wanted and so forth)..
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>>580898765
>apparently ananda remembered every word, and commuted it oraly, so the linage is pure


I am going to tease you for a second and point out that it is the Pali canon which states that ananda remembered every word, commuted it, and so the lineage is pure.

So the Palu canon is its own source for its claim that it is pure.

Teasing aside though, there is more than one account concerning the events shortly after the death of the Buddha and Ananda, including discrepancies concerning how exactly he disrespected the Buddha's corpse (one text says he showed the Buddha's corpse to girls who asked, while another says he specifically showed the Buddha's genitals, because they specifically asked to see... the latter is favored in the Mahayana account of things).
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>>580901792
I think it is in the Kalama Sutta but don't quote me on that, he called atoms dharmas, and was also laking about karma in the same discourse too.
ever which way buddhist metapysics is a thing, and the theories relate to quantum physics, without the use of tools.

Do you understand what dukkha really is though. we are always in dukkha, even when we feel happy and excited, it is always there. maybe you are thinking that that the word dukkha.... suffering is just manifested suffering, like physical pain? there is more to it than that
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