ITT: Transsexuals. Is it a mental illness - and if so, why isn't

>>562575085
That's a good question OP, but you're still a faggot.

>>562575223

That's a given, OP's always a faggot.

>>562575328
How do we know if there isn't a time where OP is not a faggot?

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>>562575085
because the Nazis didn't win that war

>>562576146
It's not the ceramic that gives a pot value, but the space inside it.

>>562575085
I'd imagine it's like how fat people look in the mirror and feel like shit except for trannys they can't gain the body they want via exercise

Transgirl here. For the record I never felt like a girl. I just always wanted to look like one. After a while of presenting this way people started treating me as such. So you could say that now I "feel" like one, but I honestly feel like the same person. I just chose to look a certain way and it happens to make me look like a girl.

>>562576802
Gets or tit the fuck out

>>562576802
pics?

>>562576802

1. Have you seen a psychiatrist/doctor/psychologist over it - what were their responses?
2. Hormonal therapy?
3. Pre, post-op or not going in that direction at all and if so, why not?

in the womb everones a female for a time, than you either grow a penis or you don't. not defending trannies but it makes sense

>>562577382
Why would I need to see a doctor? Do you consult your doctor about how you dress or do your hair? I would think not.

>>562577675

You said you wanted to look like a girl. I would imagine you were fully committed to this, not playing dress up.
For that, you'd have to see a psychiatrist or a doctor.

>>562577901
I do look like one. And I dress like one to match. I am treated like one day to day. I still don't see the point in a doctor.

>>562578315
do you do makeup and stuff. are you like full girl mode or just kind of...

>>562578315
>I do look like one
another part of the delusion

>>562578516
If girls wear it, I wear it. So yes, I am "full girl mode".

>>562578598
Trying this hard to get pictures.

>>562578656
No tits = no pass

Good luck going swimming with other people.

>>562578315

Oh, sigh. If you commit and want to start the process of mental evaluation for hormonal therapy/op, you need one.
While you may not need one, THAT is the general point.

>>562577382

^Still goes for others, answers would be great.

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>>562576204

The holocaust was a hoax, nazis wouldn't have done shit.

>>562578819
no thank

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>>562575085
>Is it a mental illness -

Yes, it's no different than a skinny person who views themselves as a fat pile of shit.

> and if so, why isn't it treated as such?

Because of social stigma. Society has grown so soft that we're afraid to tell anyone that they might be wrong because it might be construed as whatever-phobic. It's probably the over-compensation from when the treatment for homosexuality was to perform lobotomies and give them electro-shock.

>How would they know that for sure, at all? How would they know what that other gender actually feels like?

They don't, and they can't.

The big elephant in the room about transsexuals is how they view and interpret the gender as being something completely superficial. For them, being a woman is as simple as going for shopping for clothes and make-up, that's literally all it takes, chopping off your dick and poisoning yourself with hormones is totally optional.

Oh, but some men will claim to have a "woman's brain", you know that elusive walnut-sized speck of nothing that is 60% hysterical emotions, 20% mooching off your husband and 20% fascination with sparkly things including diamonds and unicorns.

Look at any tranny thread on /b/ and 100% of them are acting "feminine" by being retarded cum-holes, that's how tranny men view women and femininity. It's really no different than a white guy painting his face black and going OOGAH BOOGAH YALL I GOT A NIGGA'S BRAIN WHERE THE FRIED CHICKEN & WELFARE AT

>>562575085

Transexualism is a product of the confusion of identity young people have combined with the society/culture that says 'everything is okay' and 'you should be proud of your confusion'.

To the point where confused men are mutilating their genitals because they're encouraged to be whoever they wanted to be.

Men are men, women are women. Men procreate with women and vice versa.

Anything outside that is a biological deficiency. I believe anyone should be allowed to do what they want, but they shouldn't be encouraged to get a permanent operation based on gender confusion.

I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked.

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Relevant article, it's been triggering a lot of tumblrs lately.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/gavin-mcinnes/2014/08/transphobia-is-perfectly-natural/

>>562579392
this

>>562575085
Whose this in your picture?

>>562579779
I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked

I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked

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>>562580379
I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked, too.

I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked.

>>562579779
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>>562580513
OMG I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked as well!

I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked.

>>562575085

It IS a mental illness. It's gender dysphoria. It IS treated as a mental illness.

>>562580196

Apparently Ann Coulter, although I'm not too sure - it was the first picture I grabbed for the thread.

>>562579393
>>562579392

Thank you, both of those were pretty insightful.
Also checking up on this >>562579926

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thread needs a bit o' this

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>>562579779
>mfw

>>562575085
"The American Psychiatric Association permits a diagnosis of gender dysphoria if the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (5th Edition), or DSM-5, are met."

Yes it's a mental disorder.
And its not treated as such because... *drum roll* that would be oppressing people that aren't white, straight and male. And remember the golden rule of the western world in 2014..

It's wrong to oppress someone unless they're straight, white and male.

>>562581075

I meant mental illness in a sense of - these feelings are caused by [insert reason] therefore we're going to work with you via therapy/medication.
Not - it's alright, chop your tits/dick off.

>>562575085
It IS a mental illness. It used to be diagnosed as "gender identity disorder."

It is treated as such (quote wikipedia):
>The current medical approach to treatment for people diagnosed with gender identity disorder is to support them in physically modifying their bodies so that they better match their gender identities

Which is stupid if you ask me. When a schizophrenic believes he's Napoleon, we pump him with antipsychotics. We don't hand him a sabre and a funny looking hat.

>>562581497
>When a schizophrenic believes he's Napoleon, we pump him with antipsychotics. We don't hand him a sabre and a funny looking hat.

10/10
May I quote you on this?

>>562581075
>It IS treated as a mental illness.

Do you treat anorexia with liposuction and gastric bypass?

Do you treat depression with suicide?

No?

Then why would you treat this mental illness with a bit of plastic surgery and a shopping spree?

>>562581450

Um, that's exactly what they do.

I'm a big nigger who needs to be attacked.

>>562581668

If you don't know how analogies work, you shouldn't use them.

>>562581649
Yes sure, but don't give me credit. Someone else said it before I think.

>>562581649

But this isn't a case of someone thinking they're a girl.

>>562581675

No, they don't. They assure you it's perfectly normal, that it happens, do some tests, you may begin hormonal treatment, decide for/against surgery.
Unless if you're from Pakistan.

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>>562575085

It's not a mental illness after your transition because transitioning is the cure. I now get to live a normal happy life. As for how I knew or how do I feel? Basically, femininity/masculinity is a spectrum. I just happen to fall on the very feminine side of that. You can use what ever pro-nouns you want too but it's not going to suddenly make me act masculine!

>>562581649
>>562581649


> Thinking they're a known historical figure whose been dead for years.
> Is the same as a living person thinking they're the opposite gender.

Annnnd people who can't into biology.

>>562575085

Transsexuality, and to a lesser (and therefore more common) extent, homosexuality, are both just the inversion of the male sexuality upon itself. It's when the sexual subject is confused as the sexual object, or vice versa.

It's just basic sexual confusion. The problem is that people who agree with LGBT for some reason are simply incapable of separating the concept or denotation of sexual confusion from the connotation. They think of sexual confusion as some emotionally negative thing, rather than simply looking at it through a pure and clinical definition.


Treatment of these people has failed because of how important sexuality is to the fundamental identity of the individual, and how to violate one's sexual trajectory is essentially to extinguish the identity of that person. It's not that curing homo/transsexuality is impossible, it's just that it gets in the way of other things.

Religious therapy, when it's actually successful, works because it furnishes the subjective with a new, religious identity to compensate for his destroy previous identity. But because religious therapy became somewhat obsolete due to the irrelevant fact that it's not an analytical process (but a synthetical one) (i.e. it's not fundamentally scientific), the perception of it has faltered and its possibility of success has therefore faltered as well.


Whether or not we can cure homo/transsexuality is literally based on nothing else other than whether or not society believes it's curable.

>>562581863
Explain to me how I'm wrong.

On one hand, you have a mental illness whose "treatment" is to simply give into the symptoms, and on the other hand you have mental illness who are treated with a mix of therapy and psych medication.

As the other anon said. When a schizophrenic believes he's Napoleon, we pump him with antipsychotics. We don't hand him a sabre and a funny looking hat.

I guess unless schizophrenic wannabe Napoleons unite and start schizophrenic Napoleon support groups & lobbies and parents decide to have their children identify as Napoleons at birth.

>>562582194

Oh, so they use medication, therapy and surgery?

>>562582194
>They assure you it's perfectly normal.

THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM. THE WHOLE POINT OF A 'DISORDER' IS THAT IT ISN'T NORMAL.

>>562582773

People with gender dysphoria aren't schizophrenic. They're not loopy people who think crazy things. Lrn2biology

>>562582835

You added the
>and surgery
Basically, this >>562581497

>>562582404

Femininity and masculinity is spectral in the same way that success itself is spectral. That you can't grasp that shows exactly why you are transsexual rather than not. You think that because it's a spectrum, this means it's okay to be in between and to not strive towards a polarity (an ideal), but in reality that it's on a spectrum only implies what is already obviously understood as the fact that one can more or less, i.e. relatively speaking, fail to appear/be masculine or feminine. That space in between is just a space of mechanical failure.

>>562582404
It's a MENTAL illness.

You think the problem is with your body.
The problem is actually in your mind.
Mental illness.

>>562582773

See >>562582597

>>562583008

You said surgery.

>>562583006

Uh they literally believe they're the opposite sex. To me that's an illusion far greater than believing oneself to be Napoleon. It's a whole class above that.

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>>562582597
Explain to use how it's possible for a man, who is biologically a man, to be considered a woman.

Then, why it's impossible for a man, who is historically not Napoleon, to be considered Napoleon.

What about trans-ethnic? Is it possible for a white person to have the brain of an Asian person? What about otherkin? What if I identify as a wolf and feel as though I was born in the wrong species? Does THAT cross the line into insanity? How come you draw the line at sex?

>>562583320

They believe they're the opposite gender.

>>562576204
holy fuck!
WorldWarTwo wasnt real

Nazi's are in control right now

God you need to look around once in a while

Also it is very German to dress up like a lady

>>562583210

I said 'it's alright, lets chop off your tits/dick'. As in, why is this the only mental disorder that adds surgery? What makes it so acceptable?

>>562583320

Unless it's a female schizophrenic.. in which case you'd collect your hat and sabre after signing your discharge.

>>562583064

> Femininity and masculinity is spectral in the same way that success itself is spectral.

No some ones success is even more subjective. You're not going to be able to comapre these two subjects without further making it more wishy washy.


> That you can't grasp that shows exactly why you are transsexual rather than not.

Because I knew I was a girl since pre-school is why I'm transgender.

> You think that because it's a spectrum, this means it's okay to be in between and to not strive towards a polarity (an ideal), but in reality that it's on a spectrum only implies what is already obviously understood as the fact that one can more or less, i.e. relatively speaking, fail to appear/be masculine or feminine. That space in between is just a space of mechanical failure.

No, I have come to accept that I'm majority feminine with a small part masculine. I used to hate the small parts of me that were masculine but accepting them has allowed me to enjoy myself a whole person. Accepting myself was hard to do but I'm now able to enjoy my life and role in society as a female.

>>562582404
tits or gtfo

>>562583553

You're trying too hard. You missed the whole 'just asking a question' thing.
You can freely fap to your traps. Thanks for bumping.

>>562583109
>>562582597

Don't talk to use about biology when you think that you can change your sex with a wig and some lipstick.

A clownfish can change its sex, homo sapiens is not a clownfish.

Unless you also identify as a clownfish? In that case I'll check my anthropocentric privilege.

>>562583436

No, you cannot 'believe' you are the opposite 'gender'. That's not gram/pragmatically correct.

Gender is nothing but a description of the prescription which is sex. You therefore cannot identify as gender. You do not identify through descriptions. You identify through prescriptions. I can't identify as a 'pizza-eater', that provides no significant nature as to the reality of my being, and it therefore does not satisfy the logical requirements entailed under identification.

For a person to identify as a gender is to do nothing more than describe themselves as that gender, in which case the reality of the situation of their identity is that they're prescribing themselves as the gender which they originally are, but simply with the caveat that they 'feel' as though they were the opposite gender.

That's as far as it's logically possible to go with identifying as gender. In other words it's not possible. You need to understand that logically speaking 'identifying through gender' is a clear oxymoron.

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>>562583897

I think people attach way too much emotion to this issue either way.

On the one hand, wanting to be female when your male or vice versa isn't a big god damn deal. We all wish we saw something else when we look in the mirror. I wish I was a cyborg with interchangeable hands and rocket boosters and a chrome finish. Where the fuck is my special interest group? Being transgendered doesn't make you special, it just makes you a person who wants something different from what society tells you that you should want. Big fucking whoop.

But on the other hand.

Dude wants to be a chick, we have the technology to make him into something pretty reasonably approximating a chick... and this is... bad? Dude wants a vagina, give him a vagina. Vaginas for everybody. What's the big god damn deal?

The big god damn deal is that you are afraid your random bar hookup that you were attracted to might have used to be a dude and therefor you are now gay by accident because you fucked a woman with male DNA. Neither sexuality nor DNA actually work that way but whatever. I get that. And picking up and fucking random guys without telling them that you used to be on their team is in fact kind of a dick move. This does not mean that the entire concept of transexuality and gender reassignment surgery is bad.

TL;DR both sides need to get the fuck over themselves and stop poking each other.

>>562583664

Um, it's not. There's a whole field called psychosurgery.

Transfag here.

I 100% think it's a chemical PROBLEM. Being trans isn't like being gay, in that there is no reason it could be beneficial (you can still find love if you're gay). Being trans just means I have body issues and my brain is confused
I was born with a properly working body. I don't know why ~for as long as I can remember~ I felt like I should have been something else

If there was a medication to fix it, I would. I'm not ashamed. It's just a pain

>>562583762
In a society where gender is becoming less and less important, I simply don't understand why you would care enough about it. Just accept it. You're a man, you'll never be a woman no matter how good plastic surgeons get.

In the 20th century sexuality is not a choice but gender is? the fuck..

>>562583762
>I knew I was a girl

Is it because you had your period?

No?

Then you're not a girl.

You even refer to yourself as transgender, you'll never be a girl because that's not what you were born as. Just like how I'll never be a Japanese macaque.

>>562584126

Okay, I get it. You have never had sex and you want everyone to know.

But seriously, you should actually look into this before misusing big words to sound smart.

>>562583108

> It's a MENTAL illness.

[Cation needed.]

> You think the problem is with your body.
> The problem is actually in your mind.

Actually both are fine. Now that I'm on hormones I feel perfectly happy and content!

> Mental illness.

Nope no matter how many times you say it!

>>562583762
but you kept your dick?

>>562584339

It's not a choice. That's where the mental disorder comes in to play.

>>562584198

Examples needed.
( Don't let said examples be 'I had a 4 inch nose and it affected me psychologically so I had a cosmetic surgery, because it doesn't compare. )

>>562575085
As far as I'm concerned it is a mental illness. Way to treat it is pretty obvios, if they truest think they are the opposite gender they should become the opposite gender.

>>562584587

Good lord. You need to be spoonfed everything. Now wonder you're asking such retarded questions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosurgery

>>562583965

> Don't talk to use about biology when you think that you can change your sex with a wig and some lipstick.

I don't wear wigs or lipstick. No, you can change your sex with surgery but my gender is already female. The government backs my position up as I'm pre-op and my SS card and drivers lisc are female.

> A clownfish can change its sex, homo sapiens is not a clownfish.

We're more advance in technology then the clown fish.

> Unless you also identify as a clownfish? In that case I'll check my anthropocentric privilege.

No, I am not an animal separated by millions of years of divergent evolution.

>>562583762
>No, I have come to accept that I'm majority feminine with a small part masculine.

I'm curious as to what you think your feminine parts are.

Do you cry a lot? Are you unable to open jars unless there's a strong man around you? Do you spend your time in the kitchen making sandwiches? Do you wish you had a big ol cock to suck on? Do you like fashion and make-up?

That has nothing to do with being a woman and everything to do with being gay.

>>562584652
*truly

who cares?

all I know is i'm a faggot who love's trap ass

>>562584519

So being a ducktaped, patched up frankenstein of a pseudowoman is better than being a true male?

Ill never understand this. Like it's one thing to want to be a woman.. but getting that surgery just advertises that desire/discomfort to the world, it doesn't actually make you a woman.

>>562584429
see
>>562581391

Your mental disorder has been classified by psychiatrists.

>>562584845

What's a "true male"?

To those people it is. To us it's messed up because we don't have gender dysphoria.

>>562584429
>Actually both are fine. Now that I'm on hormones I feel perfectly happy and content!

That'll wear off.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

How can you say that you're a woman when you're dependent on a foreign and artificial chemical substance?

>>562584339

> In a society where gender is becoming less and less important, I simply don't understand why you would care enough about it.

I can't help that my gender is a woman. I don't understand why anyone would want to be a man. They're okay and can be sexy but I can imagine ever wanting to be one.

> Just accept it. You're a man, you'll never be a woman no matter how good plastic surgeons get.

I actually find that notion kind of funny. I'm already a woman and it took long enough for me to accept who I was. Now I get live a happy life around people who love and accept me.

> In the 20th century sexuality is not a choice but gender is? the fuck..

Sexuality nor gender is a choice. I'm a bisexual transgender chick. Get over it.

everything is a mental illness nowdays.
EVER GET NERVOUS? THEN YOU HAVE ADHD!
EVER FEEL AKWARD? THEN YOU'RE AUTISTIC!

who fucking cares? if some guy wants to dress up as a girl, and live his life as a fuckbucket, let him.

>>562582404
Where do you live?

>>562584732

Literally nothing as extreme as sex op. I'm really not sure where you're going with this.

>>562584802
Everyone cries.
Being gay doesn't mean you can't open jars.
Being a man, woman, or gay doesn't have anything to do with making sandwiches. You should be able to cook for yourself.
You could be gay, bisexual, or straight, and love sucking cock.
Straight men like fashion.. They like make up, too. They tend to use a lot of hair gel or mouse

If gender is a social construct, how is the very idea of feeling like either sex admissible?

>>562582404
Wow that's the most bullshit I've read in a long time.
I'm a male, straight or bi curious. I'm very feminine in many aspects of my personality but I sure as fuck dont identify myself as a woman because of it.

All the femininity does to me is that I don't lie, cheat, manipulate and harm people just to make myself feel superior and I don't really see all the fun in the chase.

..i enjoyed this xD

>>562585192

You said it was the only mental issue that we treated with surgery. I proved you wrong. You moved your goal posts and chose to stay ignorant.

>>562584364

> Is it because you had your period?

No, just because I've always felt like a girl since I've been able to have thoughts/emotions.

> Then you're not a girl.

The medical community, the government and I disagree with you. Your opinion is literally meaningless.

> You even refer to yourself as transgender, you'll never be a girl because that's not what you were born as. Just like how I'll never be a Japanese macaque.

Yes, biological girls are biological, transgender girls are transgender. I'm already happy being who I am. You'll never be a Japanese macaque because you're a homosapian. They're not the same subjects.

>>562585149
>Sexuality nor gender is a choice. I'm a >bisexual transgender chick. Get over it.

this annoys me. you're a man, possibly with tits.

>>562585249
> femininity
> don't lie, cheat, manipulate and harm people just to make myself feel superior

That doesn't sound like feminity a lot m80

>>562583762

Success is not subjective. I'm not talking about one's opinion of success. I'm talking more or less about mechanical success. Did the spacecraft successfully exit the stratosphere. There is only a yes or no answer to that question. All the space in between the yes or no is just a 'yes but..' or a 'no but..' ; there is o true middle ground there. And the same is exactly true for gender. You are either a male or a female, except that you can be a male who appears female or a female who appears male, or some bizarre permutation of that. But you are never a female who is also male. That's simply logically impossible. Noncontradiction at its most fundamental level.

>>562585023
a 'true male' is a male who is comfortable with being male. This isn't an actual definition just a term i came up with to describe males that don't want to be females.

To me it's like driving a racecar halfway to the finish line then having a brick wall along the road. If you can't win the race (i.e become a true physical female) why even try.

>>562583762

>Because I knew I was a girl since pre-school is why I'm transgender.

No human exists with such a memory where they can possess such stable concepts of self identity at such a young age. That so many homo/transsexuals are known to profess these allegations proves that they engage in mnemonic confabulation in which they take occurrences from their childhood which may remotely support the concept that they were whichever way ever since they were born, and they construct the false reality that they were this way /necessarily/. It simply does not work that way. Normal boys and girls do not have a 'feeling of being their own gender' in the first place. Because it's already completely natural. It's the same bullshit as saying you have a 'feeling of having a right hand'. Amputees who claim they have always had a feeling of having a right hand are people who are obviously just experiencing phantom limb syndrome. Your little idea that you've 'always' been a certain way is something your ego constructs to make you feel justified in your current state. Nothing else.


>Accepting myself was hard to do but I'm now able to enjoy my life and role in society as a female.
You don't respond to what I write as if you had any reasonable comprehension of what was written, so now I am weary of continuing to talk with you, as it's becoming obvious that you're not capable of receiving any information I might convey. But you 'enjoy' your role as a 'female' in society because it's a convenient way for you to give up on your fail male identity. Of course if you have a failed male identity you will find comfort in resorting to a female one. You're not accepting 'yourself'. You're accepting the monster which your failure has generated. Godspeed sick one.

xDDDDD

From what I've readed it seems like it's a disorder, but not a "mental" one in the same way as depression is. Haven't done too much research into this but they've apparently found evidence to suggest that gender is assigned to you while your brain develops in your mothers womb and transgenderism is a mutation.

That being said this would also prove that genderfluidity and all this other bullshit is total fucking crap. Just more reasons to hate special snowflakes.

I consider myself to be pretty accepting of people's lifestyles but transsexuality is something that I cannot support. That doesn't mean that I treat them as subhumans, or actively tell them to change. It is their choice to fuck up their body because they think that they are a different gender. However, to me, you are not a boy that changed to a girl. You were a boy, you are now, and you always will be no matter what. If it came to a vote, I would abstain because I won't take away people's rights to fuck up their own bodies and I won't support it either. Society today seems to have confused "tolerance" with "acceptance". I tolerate people thinking that they can change their gender because they don't like the one they have but that doesn't mean I like it. Unfortunately, if said anywhere other than 4chan, my way of thinking would have me labeled as a bigot, which I think is a bit curious.

>>562585414

I mentioned the tits/dick chopping off three times. I was sure I didn't have to specify it in each post to get my point across.
Apparently, yes - I was wrong.

>>562585554

Yeah, that's basically normal males. What's happening is it's a female that's uncomfortable with being male.

>>562584851

> Your mental disorder has been classified by psychiatrists.

The DSM 5 doesn't classify transgenderism as a mental illness. Science changes when we get new information. The only cure that has ever been prescribed has been transitioning. You just don't have anyone on your side, sorry.

There's a lot of things to consider before you can say that it's a mental illness. There's the cultural side with themes of masculinity and femininity that people can identify with without any biological issues.

>>562585217
It isn't.
http://www.amazon.com/As-Nature-Made-Him-Raised/dp/0061120561

Born a boy. Retarded parents want to cut off part of his dick. It's botched. Doctor convinces them to raise him as a girl. It goes horribly. He kills himself. True story

itt: nwefags with morals that actually give a fuck about things

>>562584365

>gets undeniably BTFO
>lol big werdzzz xDDDDD


Why the fuck would I expect anything else from some faggot who thinks he's a girl hahahaha fucking loser.

Do pre-op tranny's masturbate, or are they too ashamed of their dick to do so?

>>562584795
>The government backs my position up as I'm pre-op and my SS card and drivers lisc are female.

and? Is that all it takes to be a woman? A government ID?

You know absolutely nothing about women's struggles, you're just another white man trying to co-opt other people's misery and struggles as your own.

>We're more advance in technology then the clown fish.

Yeah well you totally missed the point. We may have iphones, but clownfish can change sex, humans can't. You're not a woman, you're a man with a dependency on chemicals.

>No, I am not an animal separated by millions of years of divergent evolution.

So then how is it that you're a human that is separated by an entirely different physiology.

I can list all the ways that you are a man
-You have balls*
-You have an adam's apples
-you have a higher bone density
-you have a penis*

Or at least had them at one point.

So in what ways are you a woman?

>>562585778

That book is so sad. I'd hate to have my dick be burned off and also be a mennonite.

>>562575085
i know a few trans guys. or ftms

they knew. they'd always kick and scream when their parents tried tomake them wear dresses as little kids.

they always wanted to play with the boys, and got frustrated because they were left out and told ""go play with the girls'''

they always wanted boys toys and got really pissed off because they were always given girls toys.

They knew from day one theywere born in the wrong body.

>>562585804

I don't think I'm a girl. I'm a regular guy.

>>562585883
>being this tumblr

>>562575085
they said homosexuality was a mental illness until recently

>>562575085
Because like most mental illnesses, you cant fix it.

>>562585249
Actually fag breath....

femininity would make you MORE inclined to do that shit.

nice try though.

>>562585750
female means having a vagina, ovaries, a uterus and breasts.

male means having a penis, testicles and a prostate.

You're applying an identity to something that is completely physical

>>562585883

Women have adams apples too.

are you cute?

>>562575085
what the fuck is hapenning here?
are we actually having meaningful coherent discussions?
fucking disgusting trannies
I fucking hate every single trap thread in this board
>chicks with dicks
>chicks

>>562585189

Delaware.

>>562585249

> I'm a male, straight or bi curious. I'm very feminine in many aspects of my personality but I sure as fuck dont identify myself as a woman because of it.

I don't have feminine aspects to my personality, my personality is feminine. I am majority feminine with small amounts of masculine every once in awhile. You can call me what ever pro-noun you like as long as I get to function in society as a female.

> All the femininity does to me is that I don't lie, cheat, manipulate and harm people just to make myself feel superior and I don't really see all the fun in the chase.

I love being feminine and nor do I try to lie, cheat, manipulate or harm people. I don't feel superior to others but I know what I am better then you'll ever know me.

>>562586061

You support people who think they're female when they're clearly biologically male. You are retarded.

id like to think im hot :3

Look at those poor dudes, with their hormone shrunken dicks. They can't even maintain an erection properly any more. Their nipples hang lopsided off their big fake tits. They try so hard, but they aren't women. Women are intense and emotional, they have mood swings, they have periods. Trannies are performative women. It's escapism, the longing to be something they're not.

>>562585754
>The DSM 5 doesn't classify transgenderism as a mental illness.

See "gender dysphoria" in the DSM-5.

also
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/F64

The ICD-10 EXPLICITLY classifies "transsexualism" under class V (mental and behavioral disorders)

>>562586364

No, I don't care what they do. I just took biology classes.

>>562586091

>1973
>recently

Pick one.

>ITT: Transsexuals. Is it a mental illness
It's not
>and if so, why isn't it treated as such?
Because it's fucking not

>Also, I know a few transsexuals who often say 'I just felt like a girl/guy ever since I can remember'.
>How would they know that for sure, at all? How would they know what that other gender actually feels like?
Genetics

>>562585471
>The medical community, the government and I disagree with you. Your opinion is literally meaningless.

The medical community and the government also promoted cigarettes and pesticides/herbicides for decades.

>I've always felt like a girl since I've been able to have thoughts/emotions.

Okay, how? When you think "I should have a pizza for supper" is your thought process "UNICORNS AND HIGH HEELS I should have a pizza for supper I LOVE PINK SPARKLES AND DISNEY PRINCESSES"?

How in the hell do you think like a girl? You've never been one and you aren't one, what's your basis for claiming that you think like one?

>>562585414
I think he wanted to point out that it's the only where you don't fumble around with the brain.
don't be a fuckface and go around that fact with sneaky excuses.
it lists up examples such as Borderline and OCD.
and that Lobotomy is one of those.
I've never heard someone getting a sex-change over OCD.

transsexuality is still the only disorder that "requires" an operation on the body rather than on your brain. don't abuse words like psychosurgery just to convince someone who doesn't know shit.

this is already feminism-tier:
>let's use some term to excuse anything. hmmm. rape is good, yeah.

>>562583591
what if that banana actually looked so much like an apple that people would believe it's an apple?

like a convincing trap

>>562585484

> Success is not subjective. I'm not talking about one's opinion of success. I'm talking more or less about mechanical success. Did the spacecraft successfully exit the stratosphere. There is only a yes or no answer to that question. All the space in between the yes or no is just a 'yes but..' or a 'no but..' ; there is o true middle ground there.

Now you're changing things to an empirical measure of success. The same can not be said about gender or sexuality.

> You are either a male or a female, except that you can be a male who appears female or a female who appears male, or some bizarre permutation of that. But you are never a female who is also male. That's simply logically impossible. Noncontradiction at its most fundamental level.

I am a female. I have no male in me nor will I ever. I will end up living and dying as that of a woman. There is no middle ground for me.

>>562585983

It doesn't work like that. First the body has a gender then the mind develops an identity based on that gender. If there's something fucked up about that development you don't change the body to support the mind, you change the mind to support the body. The body knows exactly what it is and what it's purpose is. Survive, and procreate. It's the mind that gets all this shit fucked up.

They're already creating lab grown vaginas and uteruses. Seems to me by removing the y chromosome and duplicating the x chromosome, you could make both that are genetically equivalent of the being a given male's and implanted into him. I imagine then, that ovaries aren't that far off either. What if biologically, it was capable of reproducing as a female?

>>562586538

It doesn't "require" an operation. Not everyone with it gets a sex change.

Sorry my use of words properly to point out how what this guy literally said was wrong disagrees with your wanting to make up definitions as you please.

D:

>>562585893
What's sadder is that no one seems to realize how much this book shows that you have a gender in your brain. You have a concept of self.
What about the deaf toddler that came out as transgender? Refusing to be called a girl as soon as he learned to speak.

Children's brains understand what genders they think they are aligned with

>>562586181
what if you lost those organs due to an accident, what gender would you be?

>>562586519

That's why it's a disorder. You don't know. I don't know. They feel it.

They don't.
Transexuals are just people who want to be the other sex because of the expectations of the other sex. They want the social stigma of being the other gender without being called gay or whatever.
i.e. men that want to be women want to wear makeup and heels and other stuff that is typically associated with women.

women who want to be men want to wear mens style fashion and be alpha.


If gender stereotypes never existed, neither would transgenders.

>>562586614
>like a convincing trap

That doesn't exist anymore.

100% of the time it's just a dude bending over with his dick hanging off his asshole, oh but he's also wearing knee socks so he's totally a woman apparently.

>>562586181
>>562586938
or what about a fetus who hasn't yet developed those organs, what gender would you call them?

>>562582605
would bi-sexuality the same disorder?

>>562586495
>Genetics
Go fuck yourself.

>>562586938
I would be a male because I was born as a male and my body developed as such.

>>562586938
Being born with them, smarty pants.

>>562582884
fake dick.

>>562586758

No, the body has a sex. The identity is th egender.

>>562584429
> You think the problem is with your body.
> The problem is actually in your mind.

>Actually both are fine. Now that I'm on hormones I feel perfectly happy and content!

> Mental illness.

>Nope no matter how many times you say it!

I had depression until I started taking NRIs by your logic this would no longer make it a mental illness.

The fact your using a drug therapy to make your mental problems go away contridicts your argument entirely

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>>562586305
Whine harder faggot. Better yet, don't even open the thread next time. What you're doing is like going to a party and doing nothing but bitching about how much you hate parties like it, even though it was your own choice to go. Ignore or hide the thread like a normal human being and stop being a fucking bitch.

inb4
>muh /b/

>>562586614
it will always taste like a banana. and always have the genes of a banana. and has riped as a banana.
and will have the essential base to procreate like a banana.

but because it looks apple-esque it MUST be treated with tons of syringes until it tastes a tad like an apple and is still banana-ish, and looks like an apple.
because looking a bit like an apple means, aside from all the hundreds of facts speaking against it, that it's an apple, and not just a banana that's a tad different and should be cleared up about that.

>>562586792
>removing and duplicating chromosomes
Do you even genetics nigger

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>>562586716
actually you're not a female... but you "believe" you are just like sand niggers believe in suicide bombings leading to 40 virgins.

and so you're no better than a terrorist.

pic relate

>>562587148
They have no gender because they haven't developed any sexual organs.

>>562587186
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

>>562586519

I'm not the anon you're talking to here, but do you know all those women logic threads you see? Those are shit, but they exist because women and men do not think alike. It wouldn't be hard to realize that you do or do not understand members of your own biological gender.

>>562586716

>The same can not be said about gender or sexuality.
Prove it. Sex is something which is biologically defined chromosomal. Even the infinitesimal fraction of the population with the anomalous condition of having Klinefelter syndrome are still biologically male. Even intersex people are still more one sex than the other. There is no middle ground. Ever. Middle ground does not exist in nature. This is also one of the three primary laws of logic. Law of excluded middle. Literally every form of reasoning is against you. Every form of reasoning other than blatant fictionalisation and fantasy.
>I am a female. I have no male in me nor will I ever. I will end up living and dying as that of a woman. There is no middle ground for me.

You describe yourself as female. That has no bearing on the fact that you are, biologically speaking, necessarily, a male, of the male gender, a dude, un mec, ein Mann, un uomo.

this bread reeks of transexualism

>>562587414

Gender is not about sexual organs.

>>562587212
You are a moron.

>>562587186

Yes. Bisexuality is just mitigated homosexuality. Homosexuality is just mitigated transsexuality. Transsexuality is just mitigated schizophrenia.

You know, all this does is make me feel really really sad for trans people. I don't think that the procedures we have today are suitable. Transgender people have a massive fraction of homeless, people who commit suicide, and those who OD. Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness. But that just means that people need to be helped, instead of contuing this god-awful fucking cycle that isn't working. I don't exactly know what direction tech is heading towards in this department, but for the sake of my own sanity and thousands of others I hope it hurries the fuck up to where we can just switch people's genders at the press of a button or something equally ridiculous. Maybe they could invent the belt from D&D.

>>562586792
>by removing y chromosomes and duplicating the x-chromosome
do you even know how much bullshit you're spreading all over the place within that short part of the line?

>>562585824
I fap all the time.

>>562586991
http://www.amazon.com/As-Nature-Made-Him-Raised/dp/0061120561

Born a boy. Retarded parents want to cut off part of his dick. It's botched. Doctor convinces them to raise him as a girl. It goes horribly. He kills himself. True story

>>562585642

> No human exists with such a memory where they can possess such stable concepts of self identity at such a young age.

I specifically remember the girls I played with and being furious by the adults that I wasn't allowed to play dress up or stand in the girls line. I traded my first easy bake oven for pokemon cards.

> That so many homo/transsexuals are known to profess these allegations proves that they engage in mnemonic confabulation in which they take occurrences from their childhood which may remotely support the concept that they were whichever way ever since they were born, and they construct the false reality that they were this way /necessarily/.

So what you're saying is "I'm projecting thoughts onto to even if they have no baring on reality. I'm just an arm chair philosopher who has no experience dealing with these subjects and know better then people with Ph.Ds. The fact that many people report the same incidents is proof enough they're not real."

>It simply does not work that way. Normal boys and girls do not have a 'feeling of being their own gender' in the first place. Because it's already completely natural. It's the same bullshit as saying you have a 'feeling of having a right hand'. Amputees who claim they have always had a feeling of having a right hand are people who are obviously just experiencing phantom limb syndrome. Your little idea that you've 'always' been a certain way is something your ego constructs to make you feel justified in your current state. Nothing else.

Jesus fuck. You're writing a long drawn out statement that basically writes. "You're lying to yourself and made it all up." No, I have always felt this way. I used to have dreams of being a girl and wake up clutching my pillow wishing I could go back into them. You really do know nothing about what it's like to be transgender so you make up things instead.

Two Words: Sex Chromosome

>>562587543
Oh no I don't accept your bullshit so I must be a moron. Please, PLEASE show me an article from an actual medical or scientific journal that states that there is a 'gay gene'. Or better yet a fucking "Transsexual Gene"

>>562587642
then I must've been brainwashed myself by saying "why not enjoy the full spectrum?", because I am bi.

>>562587456

>women and men do not think alike

Elaborate, please. I can't wait to see what sort of sexist strawman examples you have lined up.

>>562586792
I LOL'D IRl.

IF THEY COULD GROW HUMAN ORGANS LIKE THAT, YOU THINK THEY WOULD MAKE THEM FOR TRANSEXUALS? WHAT ABOUT MAKING HEARTS, KIDNEYS, LIVERS, ECT.?

OH MY GOD YOU'RE RETARDED.

>>562587414
so you're saying that at some point during the development of a human life, a person "becomes" one gender or another?
if you make that argument for a fetus in the womb, doesn't that allow someone else to make that exact same argument for a person after birth?

>>562588069
hi welcome to 4chan
turn your caps off and then kill yourself

>>562587987
That's well understood basic genetics knowledge, what are you asking me is like asking me of giving you a paper on the laws of Newton.

>>562585642

> You don't respond to what I write as if you had any reasonable comprehension of what was written, so now I am weary of continuing to talk with you, as it's becoming obvious that you're not capable of receiving any information I might convey. But you 'enjoy' your role as a 'female' in society because it's a convenient way for you to give up on your fail male identity. Of course if you have a failed male identity you will find comfort in resorting to a female one. You're not accepting 'yourself'. You're accepting the monster which your failure has generated. Godspeed sick one.

I'm responding to what you write, it's just bullshit. I enjoy my 'role' in society because it's who I am. It's definitely not convenient and I was just fine faking it as a male. It just turns out I wanted to be myself instead. There is no 'monster' inside of me after I transitioned. I think it's adorable that you perceive my success as failure. That makes me quite happy because I think you're projecting your own insecurities.

>>562587985
one word: no, two

>>562588257
I'll give you a paper on the laws of newon twenty minutes if you post something that isn't retarded within the next five. The clock starts now.

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>>562575085
My dear OP, I am in the same situation as you when it comes to transexuals. They are truly bizarre creatures. I, myself, wonder as well how a transexual can say what being the opposite gender feels like. It's brain must be damaged and/or affected by some other condition or simply it must be due to an overexposure to "tumblr".

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>>562587456
this
girls act in a totally different way than male.
if you're born male but think and act a bit feminine, that is not normal.
I have transexual friend his name is José, but he changed to Thiara
it was kind of weird at first with all the make up and skirts and shaved legs and long hair, he used to be so alpha guys, he was /f/it as fuck
pic related it's not him nor her but, It.

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http://annamalicesissyselfhypnosis.com/2014/2572-you-are-the-girl/

>>562586318
got any pics?

>>562587391

> actually you're not a female... but you "believe" you are just like sand niggers believe in suicide bombings leading to 40 virgins.

Why because you say so? Yeah, I don't believe in deity's or 40 virgins (its 72 but what ever.)

Saudi Arabia thinks atheists are terrorists as well. I have as much respect for you as I do Saudi Arabia

>>562587642
Bisexuality >liking biological men and women

>Homosexuality >only being attracted to people of your same biological sex, or perceived gender

>transgenderism >feeling of your body not matching you perceived gender

>schizophrenia >audio or visual hallucinations. typically disturbing delusions of being watched. people usually believe someone is out to kill them. schizophrenics are known to be violent and attack during their delusions. there is no known correlation between homosexuality and schizophrenia.

you're fucking stupid

>>562587390

Yes.

I'm referring to a small tissue sample taken. You select a cell from this an manipulate it. You can virally modify a chromosome to select for its deletion under certain conditions. Duplicating it would be tricky, I don't know if this has been done.

Regardless, you'd use this cell line as the basis for what you'd grow on the scaffolding the uterus and vagina.

>>562588047

They don't. It's not a sexism thing. It's biology.

>>562588257
Uh huh- go ahead. Go find me an article. I'll wait. There are theories (Non Scientific Theories i.e. unproven theories) but no one has said anything definitive yet.

But please go find me an article, I will literally wait for you. You're so right there must be an accredited news source that shows that transsexual behavior is genetic.

>>562588343
Stop ignoring me.

Here's the ICD-10:
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/F64

Admit you have a mental illness.

>>562588069
They're already growning lungs and livers.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/11/laboratory-grown-vaginas-genetic-condition/

>>562586519

> he medical community and the government also promoted cigarettes and pesticides/herbicides for decades.

Yet they changed their mind when new evidence came out.

> Okay, how? When you think "I should have a pizza for supper" is your thought process "UNICORNS AND HIGH HEELS I should have a pizza for supper I LOVE PINK SPARKLES AND DISNEY PRINCESSES"?

No, hunger is normally a neutral thought.

> How in the hell do you think like a girl? You've never been one and you aren't one, what's your basis for claiming that you think like one?

I've always been a girl and will always be one. The true question I ask is what do boys think like?

>>562587456
Do men and women not think alike because of biological reasons, or is it because men and women are socialized differently? I lean way towards the latter.

All these trannies with erect dicks.

Only happens in about 2% of tranny porn. Fuck everything.

>>562575085
Because, atleast in America, you have the option to "become" a male/female. The way i see it, God made you a certain way for a reason. Don't believe in God? Well, arn't you fucked?

>>562588749

I'm not ignoring you. My room mates and I are getting ready to go out for dinner and there's a half dozen replies.

Wow, you're linking the 2010 edition. That's the DSM4. The DSM 5 took gender identity out of mental disorders. Welcome to science were we update things with new information.

>>562588907
Their brains are different. Can you even Google

>>562587932

What makes you assume I don't myself have a doctorate? True it may not be in the field of sexuality but I do engage with professionals in the field constantly, as sexuality studies have been a lifelong academic hobby of mine. The holes I bring up in the arguments for transsexualism always do well to silence the professionals with whom I converse. They tell me every time, 'I don't know, there just isn't enough information' when it's clear that they're wrong and just don't like to consider it. They have to make a living, after all. And I wouldn't blame them either if not for the fact that their pseudoscience is leaving an entire generation of helpless, impressionable, mentally ill children astray. It's a tragedy, and as with any tragedy, those responsible will stop at nothing to delve themselves further down the spiral.


>"You're lying to yourself and made it all up."
I'm saying that, but I'm describing precisely how so that it's more than just presuming it.


>No, I have always felt this way.
What don't you understand about the fact that that's impossible for you to know? Magically, gay and transsexual people are the only people with these types of certainties concerning their childhood sexualities/identities, because normal people simply do not fucking experience this. Dead giveaway that you make it all up unconsciously to protect yourself from the fact that you're mentally ill.

> I used to have dreams of being a girl and wake up clutching my pillow wishing I could go back into them.

You say this as though you actually could ever remember something with this degree of specificity. The altogether more obvious explanation is just that you had a dream in which you felt relief from your normal state of mental illness, and you associated that relief with the concept of being a girl (and much later after it actually occurred). Your brain is not fucking conscious of the distinction of male or female, it does not itself even speak English.

>>562587743
Aneuploidy is inducible. They can grow vaginas and uteruses. They can virally tag a chromosome and select against it in certain media. Everything is technically possible with what I just said.

>>562589169
That's like saying that cutting your air goes against god's will because he wanted your hair to be a certain length for a reason

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Tranny here
It's not that you feel like you ARE a woman, it's that you feel like you AREN'T A man. Imagine feeling like you were born into the wrong body, and everything felt wrong- Not like you just don't like yourself, imagine if you felt like you were fundamentally in the wrong body. Then, something comes along, and you learn about women, and then you feel "that's what I'm supposed to be".
It's not that you "want to be a woman", it's that your body itself feels wrong. It's not a social thing, it's similar to dysmorphia but there's no cure.
It's a fucked-up, brain thing. It's a disorder (you get a feminized brain in a dude's body, so it's arguably not a brain disorder but a disorder with the entire rest of the body, it starts with extra estrogen in the womb).
It's fucked up for the person involved, but hormones are the only option

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>>562588907
GOOOO TOOOO SCHOOOOL

>>562588047

Okay. Please realize though, in this area you can only talk about trends and tendencies, because there are always outliers and exceptions.

Men tend to have higher ability with visual-spatial reasoning, whereas women tend to process language much better and generally have higher abilities in the area of language.

Women tend to replay conflicts and arguments over in their minds after the fact. Men tend to obsess on future worries more than women do.

Men tend to be confused by or dismissive of emotional information, though probably not as a biological fact, but rather as an effect of the way they were socialized. The "you're just being crazy" thing I am sure everyone has heard or said during an argument, even if they weren't personally involved in it, can be a manifestation of that difficulty understanding emotion.

There's a lot more, but shit, this post is already getting too long, and honestly, from your tone I doubt that you are wanting to discuss these trends with an open mind.

>>562581169
>>562581382
Sauce??

>>562589456
"Normal" people do experience it. Do you remember thinking you were the opposite sex? Being attracted to the same sex?

http://www.amazon.com/As-Nature-Made-Him-Raised/dp/0061120561

Born a boy. Retarded parents want to cut off part of his dick. It's botched. Doctor convinces them to raise him as a girl. It goes horribly. He kills himself. True story

>>562588634

>What the fuck are you even saying, how could you say that 2 trees and 2 other trees makes 4? FOUR IS A FUCKING NUMBER YOU RETARD, NOT A TREE
>you're fucking stupid

That's you right now.

That's how retarded you are.

>>562589576
Sounds like you're mentally ill.

>>562589352
> The DSM 5 took gender identity out of mental disorders. Welcome to science were we update things with new information.

No it didn't.

http://www.dsm5event.com/dsm-5-table-of-contents-highlights-of-changes.html

you're still in the table of contents.

>>562588257
see
>>562588658

Where are all your snappy fucking comebacks shitbird? I'm still waiting for that article.

>>562589456
More over... The deaf toddler that came out as trans. He refused to be called a girl as soon as he realized what "girl" meant. He did not feel like he was a girl, and he wanted his parents to stop calling him that

>>562589169

Well, you have that option where I'm from as well. You're not allowed to however legally change your name into the opposite gender and the psychiatric evaluations to enter hormonal treatment/surgery last up to 2 years.

>>562588907

It's probable that the differences are a combination of those two factors.

>>562576338
that;s not true. From a collectors standpoint, the size and volume can effect the value of the pot. The quality of the ceramic, the size ,shape,age,producer, can all adversely effect the value of the pot. Collectors are looking for a pot that can fit their collection, sometime large pots can be worth much less, because collectors just don't want the awkward size. Midsize pots almost always have the best worth , bang for you buck, also ,collector rarely look for functionality of their pieces, the want rare and unique items.
>It's not the ceramic that gives a pot value, but the space inside it.
It really means dick, overall

>>562588435
>>562588658
>>562589851
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138231/?_escaped_fragment_=po=46.0000

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>>562588894
Boys want to stick their dick in everything. Also, you're entirely too coherent to be a woman. You're somewhere inbetween.

Do you have large fake boobies? Large fake boobies are relevant to my interests.

These are real, but w/e.

>>562575085
It's obviously a mental illness, but it doesn't matter to me. I don't care what a tranny does as long as it doesn't impact my life, and vice versa.

>>562587501
you need to take biology class and learn about sexual differenciation in humans

>>562589562
In some cultures that's actually one of his wills.
But this is not a physical matter. Some try to justify it by cutting of their dicks or implanting a "vagina" which is just a skin pocket. If you are biologically a male, nothing can change that without damage and making you join a circus.

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>>562589934
THERE AREN'T ENOUGH WARS OR PLAGUES

>>562589793
That is not at all what I did. You don't have a logical thought pattern. You're stupid and naive

>>562575085
Anne Coulter is not a trap, she is just merely Satan's representative on earth.

>>562589763
Brutal. That shit even killed the kid's twin.

>>562589456

> What makes you assume I don't myself have a doctorate?

Because nothing you've said so far is backed up my the medical community.

> The rest is basically, you saying how could you possibly know?

> You say this as though you actually could ever remember something with this degree of specificity. The altogether more obvious explanation is just that you had a dream in which you felt relief from your normal state of mental illness, and you associated that relief with the concept of being a girl (and much later after it actually occurred). Your brain is not fucking conscious of the distinction of male or female, it does not itself even speak English.

I remember three of my dreams specifically. Each one of them I was a happy normal girl and woke up crying trying to get back into them.

Either way, I'm heading out to dinner and I'll let your "academic hobby" read these. Enjoy and I hope you learn to accept the science!


ttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6552/abs/378068a0.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/5/2034
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870186
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400018231
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/?tool=pmcentrez
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jpsychires.2010.05.006
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2061/Diethylstilbestrol-DES.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7689007.stm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

>>562589719

I've heard women process language better. I've not found this to be the case in reality. People just want to give women points for things. Most of the time, when I talk to women, they seem half retarded to me.

>>562577675
>fake genitals
>how you do you hair
>same thing
Well if i would dress t-shirt with fake boobs in it cause i felt like i want vagina i would probably see a doctor

>>562589978
Yup. But there are so many ways around it its almost broken.
>You can break laws, but not laws of nature.

>>562590130

That's exactly what you did mate. You failed to synthesise and extrapolate past the flat definitions of the things I mentioned.

Hurrr bisexuality is one thing, and transsexuality is another durrrr one thing ? another thing im fucking retarded durrrr

>>562590053
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138231/?_escaped_fragment_=po=46.0000

Go back. Re-read notice little things like "May suggest" and "How these biological prenatal factors interact with postnatal social factors to determine life-long sexual orientation remains to be determined."

So basically you've given me nothing.

>>562589650
You know how easy it is to make brain scans look like they're showing major differences? The scientists who ran the study decided what the threshold for coloring on that picture is. Do you really think men have no white matter?

>>562578315
That dubs though.

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Most people don't understand that scalpels cant change chromosomes

>>562590015
Thats not true.

Space inside the pot does give it a value.

Without space inside the pot, pot is not a pot at all.

Thus cannot have value as a pot, perhaps it , whatever it is can have value as a something else tho.

>>562590374

>let me just dump all of these irrelevant studies and walk away and pretend I'm not some mentally ill loser who thinks he's a woman.

Go head on. No showing you of your wrongness anyway, sadboy.

>>562590382
Interesting. I'm the general manager of a fast food restaurant right now (I'm 21), and most of the time when men come through, I want to punch them. They can barely pronounce the names of the food; they struggle to read; they take forever to think "uuuuuh can i get uhhh uhhh ummm uhhhhh"; they struggle to hand me money
They're also the only ones who drive drunk or high

The problem I have with women is that they pay too much attention, and ask me too many damn questions. but, at least they can communicate

>>562590374
But you still have yet to prove that gender dysphoria isnt in the DSM-5 like you told me. Get back here.

>>562590617
You didn't read the whole article. As I said before, you are a moron. I'm done with wasting my time with you.

>>562588829
>http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/11/laboratory-grown-vaginas-genetic-condition/


The source is a baptist medical center, meaning this site is not valid proof to back you up.
Anyone who claims to be any part of any religion is irrelevant to me.

>>562590053
Personally I believe there's a gay gene as well, I just wanted to make sure Anon knew that they're an idiot

>>562590628
I just grabbed some picture off of google, you can go get the others if you're really so doubtful. This "They're manipulating the data" side of the transexuals is just as retarded as the "get over it" side of the naysayers. Sure doctors are horrible people and are often retarded, and have no idea what they're doing with transsexuals, but they're not outright malicious.

Inb4 you give me a sob story about a doctor who was. I raise you one deaf kid who never wanted to be a girl.

>>562590608
It's clear you have some kind of mental health problem. It's obvious in your word choice, and it's obvious in your sentences. You don't even relate to any one else on this board
You're a freak.
Bisexuality and homosexuality are sexual. Transgender is personal. Schizophrenia is a crazy mental disorder with no connection to transgenderism or homosexuality. You can't say being homosexual is a light, filtered version of being trans. You can't say transgenderism is a light, filtered version of hearing voices and thinking light bulbs are watching you.
There's no logic behind what you say, because you're naive

>>562590867

I will read the whole damned menu, ask if you have real cheese if ordering a burger, and give you some terribly customized order that will make you want to strangle me.

Also, I'll be blazed as fuck, and to compensate, over annunciate everything for fear of slurring my speech.

>>562591071
>anyone who claims to be any part of any religion is irrelevant to me

Good thing you're even more irrelevant to this thread than you were five seconds ago even, now we know that you're just crazy.

>>562591071
>I dont like religion
>Facts are no longer facts if backed by a religious group
>I like blood on the dance floor
Grow the fuck up you atheist 12 year old

>>562591536
...Okay. What was the point of you saying that?

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>>562581169
I like you anon. you're crazy, but I like you.

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>>562575085

>>562591609
>>562591576

It's okay that a RELIGIOUS group isn't seen as an unbiased source for information. Just like you wouldn't take information about black people from a white supremacist group

I know two things, and that is all that matters.
1 I would fuck the shit out of Bailey Jay
2 I would let her fuck the shit out of me.

That's all that matters.

>>562591071

Tipping intensifies.

Wake forest has made leaps and bounds in creating organs.

What if I give you a link from...
THE MOTHERFUCKING BBC.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26885335

>>562575085
the dsm II i believe listed it as a mental illness, the dsm III and up listed as gender identity disorder. also i think there is scientific data shown in brain scans the similarity of trans-persons and the gender of their identity.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/12/03/1271431/apa-revises-manual-being-transgender-is-no-longer-a-mental-disorder/

http://www.genderpsychology.org/transsexual/dsm_iv.html

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>>562591906
>implying all religions are bad and untrust worthy
>Comparing religion to racism
>Being this retarded

>>562591713
Oh, look, it can't into reading comprehension. He's saying he's going to intentionally fuck with the next person that serves him at a fast food place and hope it's you, and will intentionally give peopple bad service from now on because you made a really retarded generalization. The equivalent of "Why the fuck do you want to involve me, the random jackass into this? I didn't do anything to you and you're calling me out. I don't like being called out for some shit I didn't do, go fuck yourself!"

Retard.

>>562591407

The technical term in psychiatry is compensation. And that describes exactly the nature of the psychosis of transsexuality. Transsexuality is compensated schizophrenia.

Rather than psychotically hearing voices or thinking light bulbs are watching you, the schizophrenia compensates (mitigates) itself into making one feel as though they are the opposite sex. They are the same exact types of delusions. Simply different manifestations.

And things like wanting to be the opposite sex, or to a lesser extent, engaging in sexual acts with the same sex, are simply symptomatic behaviours of this underlying, core delusion.


You call me naïve because you need for me to be naïve. Otherwise you'd be forced to face the truth. The truth which is being so clearly told to you right now.

>Gender is a social construct, I am whatever I say I am

Well, that's fine I guess I mean it's 2014 and who am I to say what people can or can't d-

>I am now going to undergo invasive surgery and mutilate my body as well as taking artificial hormones and spend thousands of dollars on clothes and make-up

but.... what about the social construct thing

>>562591906
So you're comparing all religious groups to white supremacists?

>inb4 "yes"

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>>562591906

>>562575085
Of course it's a mental illness. If someone claimed he was a goat trapped in a human's body you'd obviously think he's a crazy fucker, same shit for men thinking they're women or vice versa.

>>562591071
Also:

http://www.wakehealth.edu/News-Releases/2010/Researchers_Engineer_Miniature_Human_Livers_in_the_Lab.htm

The wake forest people are at the cutting edge of creating lab grown organs. Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass.

>>562591370
Didn't mean to offend you buddy. Just saying it's easy to make brain scans look like anything. I know there are legit biological differences between male and female brains. It's irrelevant to transsexual issues to me because no one would ever say a women who is good at parallel parking shouldn't ever attempt it just because men's brains are better at spacial judgement on average than women's

Honestly, I don't agree with the progressives or the naysayers on this issue. Gender is mostly bullshit (make up, skirts, and muscle cars have nothing to do with your genitals yet so much to do with your gender.). If you want to do feminine o masculine things, then just do them.

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>>562592269
that`s almost what iv`e told some people suggested lobotamys branded a racist can you believe those faggots.

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>>562592210
>implying religious groups don't have an agenda related to their gods
>implying it's ever a good idea to take information from a biased source
>implying religions that promote slavery, hating gay people, or hating women aren't as bad or much worse than people who just hate a race

>being that retarded

>>562592442

?? ? ?????*

Trannys are retarded and unnatural not fit for survival in this world, That's why you don't see old trannys they all failed the game of life

>>562592210

Okay, look. I'm not the anon you are replying to, but all religions ARE bad and untrustworthy, if they have a set of supernatural beliefs, because the supernatural has never once been shown to exist in any fashion. It's harmful to people to try to get them to believe things that can't be shown to be true.

>>562592248
>give generalization based on my experience in response to a generalization
>didn't call anyone out

You're really fucking stupid

>>562592639
Well that's fine, I'm not really offended, I just curse senselessly at people on the internet to make sure I don't start doing it in real life. The only issue I have with this whole damn thing is the mutilation. It's hurting people. Being a tranny is tough, no doubt.

>>562591713
>>562592248

Actually, I'm giving a general description of what I do.

Maybe you live in the dirty south or a major city with lots of niggers? I worked at a wendy's once. I never had much problem, except with the occasional negro from out of town.

>>562592736
For once, I can agree with Heaven. Nothing should be hated more than faux cyrillic.

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>>562592693
>implying everyone else not having some form of agenda
>Implying any reasearch funded by a religious group is biased
> "Stop oppressing me you hetro-white middle class male!"
>being this ignorant AND retarded

>>562592962
+1

>>562592995
It's not a generalization based on an experience, it's what you just did. Keep on proving that "lack of reading comprehension" theory I've got going

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>>562591370
no gay gene ever found fucking queer
>>562591852

>>562592962
>>562593157
Look at the first thing

>>562593114
Oh, haha. I can't into reading comprehension either. I'm sorry for insulting you, other anon.

>>562593332
I don't care if there is or not really, it's not my fucking problem!

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>>562592962
Fucking homo

>>562592693

Listen faggot. Wake forest does good things. They're working to create lab grown organs, livers, not just vaginas and uteruses (which they successfully implanted). Are you?

>>562593332
read a book or something you dumb nigger

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/12/11/scientists-may-have-finally-unlocked-puzzle-of-why-people-are-gay

>>562592962

> because the supernatural has never once been shown to exist naturally in any fashion

FTFY

Fucking infidels and their inferior cognitive syntheses.

>>562593565

This is the best you can do? C'mon man, at least try.