You sound like an old friend of mine. I had to stop hanging around him honestly because he was just always drinking/smoking/everything. Seek help in person from people who care if you're serious. Best of luck
>>548577710 Hey dude, Alcoholism has run in my family for ages. It helps to pick up a hobby that keeps you up. Mobile. Productive. Go do something athletic whenever you get the urge to drink. Take a short jog, or shoot some hoops. I personally have found running to be a great substitute. Make alcohol a special occasion ordeal. One or two once a week to treat yourself isn't an unreasonable start. It comes down to you man. Have faith in yourself. Take care of yourself man. This /b/rother from Orange County, California thinks you're capable of pulling through.
>>548577710 >>someone help You help yourself. Don't expect others to clean the shit you made yourself. The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll get your shit together. Just stop it, OP. Stop it. Your gonna kill yourself. STOP NOW. You can do it.
>>548578253 This. A bunch of 19 year olds here that think they're seasoned. Their edges just make them look like bigger faggots than anyone else.
>>548577710 I understand. I don't sleep well unless I have a drink. Without seeking professional help with addiction, I think your best bet is to ween yourself off of it. Just start drinking less. Try not to drink during the morning or day unless it's a special occasion, and slowly start lowering your intake.
It will be a true test of your self control. You may fail at first but keep trying. You will respect yourself more in the long run.
Plain and simple and the way I convinced myself I dont want another drop...
you have to despise the stuff. think of what a fool to waste your money on poison. think of the fool it turns you into. think you could easily just not go and buy it anymore. deal with a week of it hurting, but you wont be that fool anymore. a fool you despise, and a fool others despise cuz you decide to pay to play with a poison.
its nasty and you deserve better. its gross, keep reminding yourself of it
Google your nearest rehabilitation center, give them a call, organise a date and just go there man, it can and will help.
I'm 27, and starting from the age of 17 I was a slave to the bottle. I was in high school getting so fucked up on the daily my mother wouldn't be able to sleep properly because she'd be up worrying about me. Countless times did she have to clean me up from a pile of my own vomit. She'd even spot me for cash if I ran out of alcohol, I didn't even realise what kind of impact I was making until later after I rehabilitated, I found out that I'd never been told to stop drinking because everyone close to me was scared of drunk me, and I was drunk all the time. I ended up dropping out of school from all the alcohol abuse. I live in Australia, and we basically have unlimited social welfare, so after I left school I lived on the dole money and off my mother. I kept drinking increasingly heavier up until the age of 22. I was drinking around 4x1L bottles of JD bourbon a day, from waking up until I went to sleep, which was roughly only 12 hours a day because I'd black out all the time. Anyways, one morning I woke up and looked in the mirror before having a shower and saw that my eyes were a yellow tinge, didn't notice any earlier because it'd been a few weeks without a shower. I conjured up enough brain cells to realise that I was in the pretty late stages of cirrhosis of the liver, and probably a fatty liver. Gave myself a long hard look in the mirror for a while, cried myself to sleep on the bathroom floor. When I woke up I called a rehab center that was 5 hours drive away. Packed a few things, and had one of my few remaining friends drive me there. I checked in, and there I stayed for 2 whole months. After I left I felt like I'd turned over a new leaf.. Many months of seeing councilors and psychiatrists followed this, and now I'm 27, have a job, a girlfriend with my first kid on the way, and will never ever drink another drop of alcohol.
I can't imagine being an alcoholic. I enjoy being lightly drunk but can't stand the taste of alcohol, unless it's a really good mix drink where you can't really tell. But even still, I just don't overall enjoy it, or the after-effects, so I stick to pot. Granted, I smoke weed multiple times a day, and it's safe to say I'm psychologically addicted. It's habitual, I like how I feel stoned, but it doesn't stop me from getting done what I need to get done. I can do work and socialize etc. no problem. I also have a naturally low appetite and am underweight, and weed helps me eat much more than I could otherwise.
just to add some info, I'm on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. before that I was such a mess I could barely eat or concentrate on school or relationships or anything.
>>548578808 Just giving my two cents... do you consider it foolish to spend your money on something you enjoy? What if it doesn't turn you into a fool but just gives you a state of euphoria? What if yo one despises you because you can handle your poison and not ruin your life and that of those who care about you? Just because you are irresponsible with your drinking doesn't mean others cannot enjoy it on a daily basis without hurting others or their social and career status
I dont think i can afford a rehab but i went to aa when i was like 13 or 14 but it was court ordered. My withdrawals are bad. Shaking uncontrollably, vomiting vile and blood, touching my stomach where my liver is hurts a lot, etc. right now its not so bad because i have been drinking but tomorrow is going to be hell
Yeah, my liver only has part of its full function, but after a biopsy and some scans they determined that I can live with how my liver was in its current state, but they had to put me on a really restricted specific diet, and I take about 4 billion pills worth of bullshit a day. I'm on a liver donor list, but on minimum priority. Doctor estimated I would get one before my 30th birthday, and I've been waiting for almost 5 years now.
Google the side effects of cirrhosis of the liver/ liver failure. Check to see if you have any of the visible side effects, if they're not visible you're in a hell of a lot better shape than I am and shouldn't worry.
you have a chemical dependence and stopping cold turkey might kill you. you NEED to seek professional treatment if you want to stop. AA is for when you get out, but right now you need rehab if you want to stop
>>548577710 >I'm seriously dying from all the drinking I am doing
Keep on the good job.
Happiness is a tricky state of mind you can get from a puppy's first bark or simply from a bad joke. The pursue of it as if happiness was a constant state of mind will frustrate you and anyone else who tries to find it.
If you are happy when you drink, keep on drinking. There is no such thing as synthetic happiness, just people trying to tell you what to do. Unless you care enough about feeding their ego more than you care about doing something that makes you happy, you should always stick to whatever is giving you pleasure. Even if you can only get pleasure from heroine or cocaine, keep on doing it and never look back.
The looking back is what kills you. Never do that. The ones who say they worry about you, only worry about themselves, if anyone genuinely worries about you, they will tell you the exact same words i'm telling you right now.
>>548579705 Generally if someone doesn't have something to live for, or they're striving towards something, they do not give a fuck if they live, die, or how their life is going. In the case of addicts, that's definitely present.
>>548578446 i stopped because I realized I was killing myself, literally. I asked myself If I wanted to live until 40 or live after it. I chose the to live beyond 40. My uncle had to get a new liver around 43 from drinking and I didnt want to go down the same health path as him. In the end, the drunk you get from drinking just isn't worth dying early or living with a lifetime of health problems
I know what you mean. No problem with any of what you said. Theres plenty of people who dont need to be told this or that as they have control. Just a different dynamic that I am self aware of and could sense op was sharing the same out of control experience where you cant stop as you're still 51/49 percent still in favor of boozing to your own determent. & when you push it 51/49% disgust with the substance, that is where he will leave it behind for good. I use to drink 9-13 Heinekens a night for a good 4 years. And it all stopped one afternoon in 2009, when I looked in the fridge and saw no beer. Said nope, not going out tonight. It was rough coming out of the fog the most. Kind of ashamed more so than physical hurting
What's up bro? Part time alcoholic here. I drink when I get pissed off or nervous. Have spent all day in the bath drinking wine. Don't have any solutions for you (I've got everything going for me and can't even find them myself) but am down to chat.
Sucks that you had to go to AA. I would advise you to not go there. They are the kind of assholes who tell you that you're powerless against your addiction and only their imaginary friend Jesus has the power to overcome your problem. Fuck the AA, fuck Jesus and fuck that courtroom for sending you there. You can overcome the addition yourself. I don't know how well weaning yourself off the hooch will work, but my dad who was a 24 year alcoholic overcame it by going cold turkey with a fuckload of willpower. As another anon said, find a hobby. You need something effective to keep your mind off it. Xbox and sex works. Smoking pot also helps.
>>548579729 yes, the liver can regrow itself but it cannot repair itself. The worth possible organ to damage is your liver. People can live with heart problems but rarely do they live as long with liver problems.
My dad was a science teacher and he always taught our class "say 'i love you with all my liver', because the liver the the most crucial organ you have".
the sooner you stop drinking, the better you'll be in the end. Even occasionally drinking is not good for the body. Sure, it won't turn you into an alchy or be as visible with the damage, but damage you're doing to it nevertheless
on a completely different note, foods with high fructose corn syrup (basically everything in the united states; it's used as a replacement for sugar) is processed by the body the exact same way as alcohol.
>>548580173 I doubt in your current state you would be able to stop completely. But there is always hope. Keep the faith that you can improve your drinking habit. Cut back slowly but surely. The problem is that the body develops tolerance to alcohol, and you obviously know this. You end up having to drink more to enjoy yourself, while taxing your liver and depleting the body of nutrients. If you could try and cut back your intake of alcohol and also start eating a healthier diet you will be on the path to recovery. Personally I drank twice as much 3 years ago than I do now, but it was one of the smartest things I could have done. My diet is also pretty OP. Buy some B-Complex vitamins because alcohol depletes them. I wish you the best, just put effort into cutting back
hey dude im working on getting my MFT license and want to specialize in substance abuse. you should honestly tell a family member or friend. you can't do this alone. I know it is embarrassing and demoralizing but the rate of recovery is extremely high if the family is involved and supportive of the individual. it will be worth it in the end.
you definitely need to taper off alcohol. it is the most dangerous substance to quit cold turkey.
here is my suggestion: tell your family you are going away for the weekend. go to a psych hospital for the weekend, voluntary admittance, detox for the weekend, then they will let you out. theres the supervision you need. they will give you medicine that will help with the withdrawals and anxiety as well.
get some excedrin and melatonin when you do. salty foods chips, funions, a ramen noodle bowl, and some v8 fruit juice to keep you balanced as you adjust. Take a cold shower to liven up every now and then. ...just make it your enemy and you really will get the balls to conquer it. this admitting it is a huge step in the right way. now just take the other
>>548577710 Get in rehab. Work the program. A simple doctor visit and tell them you can't afford the treatment. A doctor you are open and honest with has an obligation to get you the care you need. They can get you admitted to whatever is in your area. Especially if you are worried about money or cost. Money is paper not your life. Whether it be a physician or psychologist tell them what you just said OP. Be honest. Don't be a bitch and keep lying to yourself and others around you. If you prefer there are programs that aren't the generic 12 steps. Weigh your options. Die young because right now you don't have support for your will power. Or seek help that you need and learn sobriety is hard to obtain. It takes will power, support, and dedication. Seek a program with psychiatric/emotional help as well. One day sober is better than zero days sober.
>>548579330 you my nigga stick with it man im a fallen away reformed boozer, yeah, ive falled off the bandwagon, but your story just makes me feel like there's a light at the end of the tunnel. keep up the good work
>>548583858 Man, its hard to know where to start. Like you, I started drinking at a young age. 13. Drank heavily every time I drank since the first time. In my late teens it became a daily thing. That continued for years. I found some help in AA. I went voluntarily. I stopped going months ago, but some of the information they have to share is crucial to quitting. I suggest you explore it and try to find a connection there. Knowing other people who are also recovering helps. Its like a support system, I guess. But the first thing you have to do, I believe, is fully admit you have a problem and that it must stop. Cont?
you wont be able to quit until you want to. you have to want it. you cant cut back, you cant only drink on the weekends, you have to stop completely.
I'm an alcoholic, havent had a drink in a year and half. it is truly the best thing ive ever done. its easy man... dont be scared of life without alcohol... its easy.
what worked for me was this: no AA or support group, be a man, do it on your own, dont be a bitch just fucking take care of it. i replaced the habbit, i drank gin and dr pepper, so when i quit i'd still pour myself a small glass of dr pepper with some ice. its not good for you but its a good temporary replacement. but first, go to your local health food store and get some herbal supplements. i know it sounds lame but i swear i couldnt have done it without them. kudzu root and st johns wart are the only ones i can remember. look it up, there are more.
take charge of your life man.... alcohol is shit, its not that great, and waking up every single day without a hang over or that fire breath is literally amazing
>>548584869 Alcoholism is dependency on alcohol. If you would find it problematic not have these drinks after work you have a form of alcoholism. But it comes in many shapes, where some are much more harmful to you than others.
I am very found of beer, but it haven't given me problems in my life. I have recently found out that non-alcoholic beer also calms my nerves after work. I believe in has something to do with what my brain expects, and when I get the taste of beer my brain clams down. I would think that finding something non-alcoholic to consume after work would be good for you.
>>548580274 >ssris Shit may not kill you as quick as alcohol, but it'll fuck your brain even worse. They may seem to help at first, but in the end you'll feel worse than ever before and you'll never feel the same again. SSRIs are fucking horrible and there's barely any evidence to show they help at all. I would rather die young as an alcoholic than live to 100 if I had to be on SSRIs my whole life. I've been on that trash and I see how the pills are slowly ruining my family in the same way.
>>548585973 He's already an alcoholic, he's not gonna fuck his brain any worse than it already is by smoking before 25. Also, the brain being done developing at 25 is a myth. It keeps developing til the day you die essentially.
>>548587061 >and the bottle is right here This was my problem, I figured if the beers were more inconvenient to get I wouldn't drink as much, so I thought of a brilliant idea to put my beers on the roof one day and only got two at a time max when I got them.
This just ended up with me getting drunk and falling off the roof though.
>>548585328 Everytime I get an ounce of weed, I stop drinking for like a month.
Problem is that the cops just keep doing statewide raids and my dealers or their hookups always get busted. There used to be openhouses but a lot of them have been shutdown. >>548586810 When you go through a bottle of vodka a day, you don't notice the burn anymore.
>>548586651 >>548586926 Yep. Despite what people tell you, we know now that it isn't true. Parts of your body keep developing and growing till you die. Also parts of your body that get damaged from, smoking, drinking, brain damage, whatever, can be reversed over time. Not always, sometimes damage is in fact permanent, but that itself isn't always a given. Sometimes people are told they'll never walk again, then they can 6 months later. Some, not so lucky.
Biology is really weird like that, however it just proves there's so much else we have yet to figure out.
>>548577710 I used to drink a bit. I was drinking about 3-4 bottles of vodka a week, then I had gastritis, shit blood, and since then I can't have more than about a few shots before I get sick, a few more and I vomit everywhere. I'd be less annoyed except the only guy I know for weed is flaky as fuck.
>>548577710 Im proly not an alcohol yet but i was close to become one. Long story short >be 20 >drinking a lot for past 5 years >partying and whatnot >problems with girlfriend >drinking even more >drinking alone >watching pics of my ex, rereading texts >realise im a fucking pussy >take up gym >start running >drink once in week or two >feel way fucking better >no more hangovers every morning
I was just pointing out how fucking absurd everyone is about drugs. Saying marijuana is terrible unless you're under 25, while we drug toddlers with amphetamine because they dont like their menial schoolwork. Get some fucking perspective
>>548588916 i don't know where you're getting your info but a recent study determined that alcohol does NOT "kill brain cells" and it is true that the brain grows new cells all the time. it IS easy to destroy the brain... dehydration or starving will shrink it a lot and that might be why bodybuilders are retarded.
>>548579273 state dependent learning. it's the process of doing specific things while drinking. IE: Darts, pool, underwater basket weaving. If you only do those things while you're under the influence, you actually start to believe you can only perform those tasks after or while drinking.
>>548592856 Actually i did read a study that found that, and they also found in that same fucking study that cannabis encourages neural growth. All while not destroying your liver and not giving you stomach ulcers
then you have studies that show a 5 point IQ reduction from years of smoking weed, which is probably mostly from the fact that being stoned makes you content with doing things that are less than intellectually stimulating, like sitting on the couch eating potato chips all day. because if you dont use it, you lose it.
>>548595379 yeah cool but for the rest of the fucking world that actually have A FUCKING JOB and get drug tested what are we supposed to do? oh let me guess your fucking answer,"get another job", yeah cool man i'l just 'get another job' i never thought it was that easy, oh wait it is! all i have to do is quit my 80k engineering job for a 30k job at mcdonalds.
>fucking unemployed uneducated faggots exclaiming how easy it is to get a non drug testing job despite never having a fucking job in their lives you cock smoking fucks i'm miserable while you cunts live off my taxes if i ever lose the plot i'm going to the first council flat i can find and just unloading 7.62 cheap shit norinco into everyone's spoonfed wellfare crossdressing browse b all day jerk off into a sock's chest, i hope your dick explodes you fuckface cunts.
How the fuck does ending up in a good job with good pay that also drug test's make me a weak bitch?
I wan't to leave, problem is i have come to love the life i am accustomed to, i live in a nice high rise apartment in the middle of the city, i have everything iv'e ever wanted, the problem is, if i quit my job 'i really want to' i would have to leave my gf and leave my nice flat, i would be back whwere i was 5 years ago, and for what? to smoke some pot?
>>548596589 >i live in a nice high rise apartment in the middle of the city, i have everything iv'e ever wanted, the problem is, if i quit my job 'i really want to' i would have to leave my gf and leave my nice flat, i would be back whwere i was 5 years ago
You just answered your own question as to why you shouldn't drink.
Unless you're not one of the alcoholics here.
I have less than that and I am content with my life.
>>548596838 Who the fuck said i shouldn't drink? i hate my girlfriend and my life, it sounds like bait on /B/ but that was in response to why i shouldn't swap booze with weed, i can drink myself fucking stupid and go to work the next day, and no shit be in charge of things that could easily kill dozens if not hundreds of people, its fucking stupid, if i could smoke pot i would instead of booze but we get drug tested, honestly i feel like i have so many issues here i don't know where to really start.
>>548596198 Alrighty OP this i for you, and anyone else in this board that has a addiction they can't seem to give up.
If you want to give up an addiction first you need rage. Pure unadulterated powerful emotional content. You need to have an outlet for this. Something that both exercises it, and at the same time empowers you. You channel it into a song. A specific song that gives you a sense of overpower.
Here is mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fVE8kSM43I
Whenever you go to reach for that bottle, you make a commitment first to listen to the track you have chosen. Feel it out, channel the anger. Let it stop you from killing yourself.
Use it. <---- And use it wisely. This is the best medicine in the world.
and you know what, fuck this /b/ shit i'm a fucking 22yo alcoholic, no your fucking not, you are a sad sack of shit living in your parents house that thinks he's an alcoholic because he steals his dads miller lights, or gets 'tipsy' every now and then, you stupid fucking cunts, alcoholics are miserable and don't post on image boards about it you cunt fuck shitstorm wanker
someone who has been sober for two months and just now took a drink. I really can't give any advice. i feel like I'm on cloud 9 and don't ever want to come down. Drink yourself to death, OP. It's waht I want to do at this moment.
>>548599194 It's just this one time now. After 2 months of sobriety I decided to have a drink. Thing is I feel good - really good! I don't play to continue, but I'd be lying if I said didnt' say I wish a bullet would go through my head right now.
the other day i went to fuck a hooker and she told me i might have an alcohol problem lol, been drinking since 16 but i finished college got a BS in computer science and currently work at IBM. . . I kinda feel like Wolf of Wallstreet. I think we are a different breed of humans, i mean i don't drink everyday though although sometimes i have weeks like that.
If you're still in the thread, I was drunk 24/7 for 3 years, just recently quit (3 days ago) with no withdrawal, just count your shots, cut them in half for a week, cut them in half again the next week, when you get down to 10, start drinking 10 beers a day instead for a week, then 5, then 3, then just quit
it's all about tapering, if you quit cold turkey, you could literally die
>>548577710 II've actually got a few questions about this myself. >26 >been getting symptoms of alcohol withdrawal. I've been considering trying to detox, but was wondering if anyone here has any experience with this.
Is it better to ween myself off, or just go cold turkey? They symptoms have been minor. >shakes >mild nausea >disorientation I've done 24 - 48 hour detoxes a couple times, and after a day, the symptoms go away. But if I drink, they end up coming back.
How long does it really take to detox? And is there anything that can aid in cleansing my system?
I know how you feel, I'm 22 and I've been to rehab 4 times for alcohol and opiates. Last year I drank so much that I choked on my own vomit, Hendrix style. I was dead. They put me in the hospital for a month, told my parents there was a 99% chance I would die.
But you know what, I fucking lived and yet I still drink and do drugs (but not as much). It's a lonely existence. I don't know how to tell you to stop, but I do know that the first step is to want to stop.
If ya ever want to talk, I'll talk to ya. Also I am a female if that tickles your fancy.
I can't be bothered reading through everything else that's been posted here, so feel free to point me to posts that have already tackled this. But why haven't you considered just going to AA or some shit like that yet if it's such a problem? This is of course assuming you are even the alcoholic you claim to be. Too many times I've seen slightly promiscuous women pretend to be nymphos, men that might do okay in a fight pretend they're top streetfighters and young men that enjoy a binge drink pretend that they're Bacchus. For all we know you're full of shit.
that's from 2 and a half week's drinking, I recycle my shit not keep it, actually took all that out in a bag right after I took the picture, only took it cause some kid said I've never drank before after I explained how I managed to quit without .
>>548577710 exactly the same can easily finish 1000ml of vodka in one session.
it has to be a natural progression, that you aren't fully concious of. I did mine through excessive marijuana, like grams and grams a day and before i knew it, I wasn't dependent on alcohol anymore. Also try using nootropics. I never planned any of this, but I was you at one point.
>>548593849 What a terrible message. "I know it sucks being a cog in the machine, being a fucking robot and having an endlessly tedious, ultimately meaningless life, but take comfort in your mediocrity, conform and trick yourself into being a happy robot" Nice editing and music, but you cant polish a turd.
I think I'm an alcohol, but I never drink liquor. Only like 12 light beers a day. I think about quitting, but then I wind up at the store buying more bullshit and say "ah fuck it I'll get a 30 pack". My grandpa died of cirrhosis, he drank at least a liter of George Dickle whiskey a day for 15 years. He was a mean alcoholic and fucked my dad up pretty bad. Died at 39
>>548603865 AA only works if you are willing to believe in a higher power and the power of AA itself. If you an athiest or even an agnostic it is incredibly difficult to give yourself over to the program.
The program basically only works if you believe it can work for you. You have to be desperate... and the level of desperation needed differs for every person.
Also, AA is filled with fucking losers and it's hard to find people to actually trust there because even when you take the bottle away most of the people are still lowlifes.
>>548603225 Aight. >>548603226 I at first liked liquor bottles so I didn't bother throwing them out. Now it just seems like a waste to throw them out, I'm sure there is something I could do with them. >>548603865 Too lazy to go into detail, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DSEdLCAUg
>>548604194 Because I've been to hundreds of meetings across different states and the people are just reformed alcoholics. Just think about the alcoholics you may or may not have known in your life. A lot of them have a lot of other problems besides just drinking.
Some of them (maybe 50% or less) are good people. The others are just sober drunks. Losers who don't pay child support. Also, most of the people who walk through the doors will relapse at one time or another. Myself included.
>AA worked for me. It was hard a first but then okay. >So what if anyone thinks it's stupid or a load of shit. >You're dying of chronic alcoholism and you're worried about looking bad? >How do you think you look when you're all fucked up?
>>548577710 Find what you love and let it kill you. Let it drain you of your all. Let it cling onto your back and weigh you down into eventual nothingness. Let it kill you and let it devour your remains. For all things will kill you, both slowly and fastly, but it’s much better to be killed by a lover. - Charles Bukowski
>>548577710 OP, you're not dying. It takes years and years for cirrhosis to develop. I'd been drinking about 5-7 bottles of whiskey a week for almost 5 years and had to go for an ultra-sound. Turns out I just have a big liver, no cirrhosis. Fact of the matter is no one who thinks they have an alcohol problem asks for help on /b/.
>>548577710 Take choline. There is some evidence that alcohol causes cirrhosis of the liver by depleting choline. Taking 2 grams a day in the morning well before you start drinking (or more throughout the day if you are a morning drinker) should shield you from the worst of the health effects.
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