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>American man claims to be a transgender "woman"

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>American man claims to be a transgender "woman"
>is allowed to compete in MMA as a female
>sends a real woman to the hospital with a broken skull
>female MMA fighters and other people criticise the decision to let a man pretending to be a woman complete against real women
>he claims that it's transgenderphobia and that he's being discriminated against
>UFC makes a statement that they fully support LBGTQ rights

This is fucking hilarious
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>>718030
what weight class?
ronda is finally going down
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>>718030
>ITT: I want to have my cake, and eat it too...
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>>718030
>women are equal to men
>trans women are women not men

>>oh my god you can't let a man fight a girl, I don't care if he's had hormone treatments, it's unfair

Kek
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Hilarious
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>>718030
Name? Link to video of the fight?
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>>718066

Women

>Topkek
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>>718169
Trans racialism is on the rise and will probably be recognised as legitimate soon too
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>>718171
You mean this?
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>>718171
Eventually the furries will be lobbying for legitimacy
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>>718221
>implying they're not already
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>>718195

How was south park so early with calling this? Was it just a joke? That episode must be 10 years old by now.

>>718030

Fun to bet a couple of dollarydoos on.. though I guess the odds are in his favor
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>>718223
I know you're supposed to love your child unconditionally but fuck that. I know you might feel like a fox/wolf/dog/whatever the fuck, but shut the fuck up because you literally don't know what a wild animal feels like inside. If I was paying for that therapist I'd sue them.
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>>718121
its fallon fox and he /she /it has won many fights vs women (including one very nice knee choke), and has lost vs a woman as well.

its reasoning why its fair is because its balls are cut off and it doesnt produce testosterone at all (lower than even women )
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>>718030
This faggot should be made to dig a hole in the ground, shot, and buried in it. Beating a woman like that and calling is a sport. Fucking pussy.
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>>718399
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>>718030
So what you're saying is:

I got a shot at the UFC?
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>>718399
Someone is fucking mad.

I congratulate him, he fucking won the game.

What game you may ask?

>How do I hit women and not get shit on for it by society at large?
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>>718039
>implying they'll feed their biggest star since Silva fight what is to her a chimpanzee
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>>718882
He got the shit beat out of him by a women.


Ashlee Evans Smith is a qt btw
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>>718877

>5-1 in small promotions
>hasn't fought in almost a year.
>Claims she has trouble with her female sparring partners because of her lack of testosterone

She's not going to the UFC any time soon and neither would you if you got your balls cut off, took T blockers and E injections. Ever asked a transperson how they feel in terms of strength and fitness after transition?

It makes you feel incredibly weak. It is a wonder she's able to compete at all, in fact she's more of just an oddity than a competitive fighter.


Look at the picture of her in OP's picture. Now look at this picture of Cyborg. Which do you think looks stronger? Which do you think has a higher testosterone level?
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>>719184
>this bias

Cyborg has more test than every male in this thread combined.
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>>719185
Okay, here's Bethe Correia.

And I'm not saying it's fair, I'm saying let's complain about it when some transwoman comes in and starts dominating the female division. Fallon Fox can barely compete.
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>>719187
Well that was a massive step down.

From 12%bf to 20%.
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>>719188
Still has more muscle definition than Fox.

How about Cat? She looks jacked as fuck.
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>>719192
Your opinion turned invalid the second you started using muscle definition as a measurement of strength. I honestly don't know why I'm still replying.
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>>719192
>>719193
> sarcoplasm
if anyone's wondering
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>>719187
No. We should be upset that Fox wants to fight women because the men's divisions were waaay to much. The fact that Fox fails against women is telling about his/her ability.
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>>719222
Can you imagine her against Jose Aldo?
It would be a slaughter.

You do have a point. If I beat 5 pros and then lost to a pro female fighter in my weight class it wouldn't mean that it was a fair fight, just the fact that I would be beating pros with very little experience would be worrisome.
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>>718223
I am pretty sure that dogs don't cry.
At least not as a sign of sadness
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>>718171
>>718223
>>718221
It's almost like some people have the natural drive to transcend their humanity. Shocking.
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>>720090
And when they try they become sub-human. Comical.
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>>719192
She also has more definition than Carl Yngvar Christensen. Are you implying that makes her stronger than the world champion powerlifter who squats 490kg?
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>>720090
Quiet down you autistic fuck
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>>718244
The problem with that is, he grew up to adulthood with all the benefits of male hormones and all that that implies (muscle & bone density etc.)

Mutilating your genitals and taking courses of female hormones can't undo nearly 2 decades of growing up as a man.
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>>720090
CMON
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>>724518
Kek
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>>718877
>>>718030 (OP)
>So what you're saying is:
>I got a shot at the UFC?


/thread
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>>724041
no such thing as muscle density exists faggot
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>>718030
Equality ladies and gents...
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>>718030
There are trans people who say this guy should not be fighting in mma
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>>718030
If woman were beating Fallon then they wouldn't have a problem. "She" isn't just beating most of them, she is fucking them up. I hate how she tries to use the trans-phobia on why people hate her or disagree with her. Too many people play victim these days and it is really sad when people let actually issues go unnoticed because of this.
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>>725537
>If woman were beating Fallon then they wouldn't have a problem
they have you idiot
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>>725539
The woman that are beating her have no problem with it.
>just beating most of them
>Most of them
Meaning not all of them...you idiot. Stop being a cunt to be edgy. Read.
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>>725490
Who the fuck would take a trannys opinion seriously?
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>>718135
Kel
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>>725539
even ashlee say that she felt a total different strenght in fox, she say she went to the fight with the mindset of fighting a guy
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>>728581
aslo ashlee is freaking hot
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>>724621
>anno domini 2015
>he still thinks equality means every sex difference must be disregarded
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>>728591
>still thinking unequal things can be equal
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>>718030
>Ronda ROUSEY IS JUST AS GOOD if not better than any male fighter
>Women Fighters are just as good as men, its just the weightclasses!
>W-what the hell? W-who let his guy into our scene?
>Please Remove him, its not fair!! Hes too strong!
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>>718030
Has he had the chopadickoffamy yet?
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>>718056
"Eat my cake, and then have it too"

Think about it fam
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>>725544
>>Most of them
>Meaning not all of them..
you took that quote out of context, the word most was used as a contrast to the fucking them up part
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>>718030
holy fuck i thought this was just some kind of a joke. thank you, op. i am now a better-informed citizen.
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>>718223
Am I the only one to think this guy is fucking insane?
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>>718039
>Already, criticism is mounting, both from MMA fighters and the greater public at large. Mixed martial arts champ, Ronda Rousey, has refused to fight Fox over her “unfair advantage.”
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>>734013
>Am I the only one to think this guy is fucking insane?
Yes

>1945+70
>being this narrow-minded and intolerant towards alternative lifestyles
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>>719224
That's the whole point of why this angers me
He's beat those five pros by virtue of being stronger, then lost to one who's skill was too much
He doesn't train irl, you can tell
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>>718030
on one hand you have morons using this to express their hatred of anyone different.
on the other you have people ignore the fact that a transgender man-to-woman still pretty much has the muscle mass of a man and therefore has a ridiculous advantage.

yes remove her but only because she has an unfair advantage.
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Letting a man fight against women is insane
UFC is putting the lives of female atlethes at risk because they are to coward to oppose political correctness
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>>738759
dana is just way into ladyboys

as are all men with expensive taste
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>>738733
A woman can't have an unfair advantage over other women
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>>728599
Not even the same guy, but it's this fascinating concept you may have heard of in your 7th grade biology class, called *sexual dimorphism*. It's a real thing, look it up.
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>>738873
How so?
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>>738883
They are equals, in other words on equal footing
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>>720090
Transcending your humanity means accepting yourself and growing beyond what you once were. It takes real effort. Deciding to call yourself a lycan ponykin is all fine but don't for a second think that is an act of transcending your humanity.
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>>738882
>sexual dimorphism

I think I've heard of that, it's the thing that makes men better than women at everything right?
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>>724555
You really are fucking stupid
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>>734550
That's some nice bait friendo
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>>734013
no

>think
only think?
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>>720214
fucking this
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>>738882
>all this fedora in a single post
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>he lost to a woman
damn
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>>718030
rousey refuses to fight it so no worries
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>>742717
Would you fight him if you were a woman?
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>>718233
Cyanide and Happiness had some good ideas on that subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2_8cfVpXbo
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>>742753
Only if I outweighed him by 20% to make up for his inherent strength advantage and make things more equal.
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>>718171
dolezal years ahead of her time
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>>724555
Actually there is. When hypertrophy (increase in size of muscle) occurs it's due to an increase in myofibrils, which are the units inside of muscle fibers.
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Threads like this are funny. I honestly can't even believe how angry people get over the lifestyle decisions of people they don't know, which will affect them in no way whatsoever. It genuinely looks insecure as fuck. You have about as much choice over your perceived gender as you have over your sexual orientation - it's biological, not environmental.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the extent of the hormone treatment will remove most inherent mechanical and neuromuscular strength advantages a man would have over a woman. But you are certainly left with increased bone density and other physiological traits which could provide an undue advantage (hip anatomy make men's legs inherently stronger than women etc.). At the same time, there's always been a huge variance between athletes of the same gender. Some women are 6'2" and naturally weigh 180lbs, which is about as rare as a transgender athlete and would probably be 'unfair' to anyone who she happens to beat.

If Fox is consistently wrecking female fighters and it appears to be attributable to any male characteristics she's retained, then she shouldn't be allowed to compete, but the ignorance of people who don't understand human anatomy/physiology (or mental health) is actually making an intelligent and logical decision that much harder to achieve.
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Here's a thought:

The UFC let Brock Lesnar into their roster. Lesnar was a freak of an athlete and a pro wrestler, so you know her was on at least a few performance enhancing drugs.
Even if he stopped taking them once he entered the UFC, his T levels were probably way, WAY beyond that of the average man and even by heavyweight standards he was freakishly big.

How is Fallon Fox any different to her division than Lesnar was to his?
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>>746695
Posts like this are funny because they pretend to be well reasoned but they're really just a fag with an agenda.
>someone is born male or female
>b-b-but choosing to be another gender is biological
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>>746819
Yeah, except I never said that. Choosing to be another gender is a conscious decision. I said that perceived gender is biological, which it is. It comes down to the structural makeup of the brain which occurs during formation in the womb and is influenced by biological factors such as hormones and the size of certain brain compartments. It's a scientific fact that someone can be born with a male body but have a brain which is dominated by female characteristics.
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I don't know much about fighting, but do they usually let people with mental disorders into these sorts of things?
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>>746839
Didn't make it to page 2 of your novel but saying that your percieved gender is biological implies that choosing to be a different one isn't, because hey you were born a boy but you think you were a girl. Derp.
Damn fags.
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>>746695
dude come on, that's not fair. There are weight levels in this game. You won't have a short chick vs a big chick. just because you have a short dudechick vs a short chick, doesn't make it fair because he's a girl now. How pissed would you be if you got your skull cracked by a dude posing as a chick... come on..
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>>718030
If my knowledge doesn't fail me this time, transgender people are exactly as the gender they want to transition after 2 or 3 years of hormones (muscles, bones, reflexes, etc).

>>718169
>>718171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbtQ2-kUwA

1 month after BTFO
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why are there so many queer-loving fedoras in this thread

what went wrong
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I'm a proud trans-animal. Stop oppressing me shitlord!

Arf!
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>>742753
Yes because I'm not sexist, transphobic or a wuss who gets fed nobodies so I can pretend to be a good fighter
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>>746839
Where's the study on that?

It's what I assumed when I first heard of these freaks but when I looked it up it said that they still had male brains with all the typical male chemistry other than the fact that they are nuts they seemed pretty normal
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>>747501
here
>>747233

>>747494
I'm with science, mate.
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>>719176
... wut ...
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>>747522
>implying one study is proof
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>>718066
Anything you can do I can do better.
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>>747673
One?
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>mfw the UFC "fully supports" mentally ill guys cutting their dicks off and beating the shit out of girls
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>>738982
kind of. It basically means their is a difference between males and females of a species beyond genitalia. Usually if a species is sexually dimorphic, the male is bigger, but this is not always the case. Sometime the female is bigger, sometimes the males are a different color from the females, etc
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>women are weaker than men
>men are not women
I knew it!
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>be me
>proffesional ufc fighter
>cut off dick and balls
>next day enter female ufc fighting
>get rejected because im just a big idiot with no dick and balls that would shred through females
>sue ufc for not recognising me as a woman
>Big money
>move to bahamas
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>>719184
Why is someone participating in an athletic competition if they feel weak? Some sort of weird compulsion to prove themselves? Did this person ever fight as a man and how did they do? This strongly hints of a person not measuring up as a male deciding to stack the deck as a female. The bone density/physicality argument feels weak to me though. Maybe if it was the old NHB/open weight class days but they are in the same weight class so they must have the same relative density, reach, etc. I'm thinking relative athleticism moreso seeing as women's mma has always had the reputation for being a tomato can festival.
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>>749914

Hmmmm, Bahamas with no dick or a cardboard box with my dick.

If anybody needs me I'll be in my box.
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Bethe - 7/10 ? Fuckable?
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>>746813
>Lesnar was a freak of an athlete and a pro wrestler, so you know her was on at least a few performance enhancing drugs.Even if he stopped taking them once he entered the UFC, his T levels were probably way, WAY beyond that of the average man and even by heavyweight standards he was freakishly big.

Lesnar was not wrestling for years when he became an MMA fighter.

>>746813
>How is Fallon Fox any different to her division than Lesnar was to his?

Goddamn you're retarded.
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>>750100
You've said nothing to overturn my points. It doesn't matter that Lesnar hadn't been wrestling for years before entering the UFC, the fact remains that he had been involved in a sport that supports the use of PEDs and therefore gained the benefits from using them. Even after leaving pro wrestling, he would have had to keep up his drug use in order to keep his strength and size. His testosterone levels, muscle mass, and bone density would have all been way higher than that of your average heavy weight.

Similarly, Fox had years of heightened testosterone through being a biological male. How is she any different to the female division than Lesnar was to his?

Pro tip: simply calling me retarded doesn't show how I'm wrong.
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>>746813
Are you implying there are top level MMA heavy weight fighters who DONT take steroids?
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>>750203
I'm giving them benefit of the doubt just for the sake of argument. At best they "may or may not" be on drugs, while Lesnar definitely was for at least a time.
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>>746813
>>750134
alright lets tackle a few of your claims at a time.

"somebody used PEDs in the past and it is giving him physical benefits now"
no, thats not how PEDs work, at least not in the timeframe of years where all the musculature gained would revert back to normal levels

"brock was definitely on PEDs"
believe what you want about steroid use in the WWE, but pictures of high school brock in wrestling already showed him being massive.

"how is fallon fox different" like the first argument, too much time has passed between when she cut off her balls and her fight to have any benefit from having higher testosterone in the past. and because shes now operating at a lower testosterone level than other women she actually has a disadvantage there.
now i cant comment on any other physical advantages being a male could give you, like higher than average IQ or faster metabolic rates etc etc... but the testosterone argument is in fact retarded
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>>720381
>world champion powerlifter
stop triggering me he's a dishonorable singleply equipped powerlifting bum.
want to talk real champs? malanichev
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>>718030
>taking estrogen in order to be a grill
>has been beaten
>her competition knows she was born a man

It's not like she slapped lipstick on one day and signed up for womens MMA. If her competition knows about her history and is still willing to step up, so be it. We won't be seeing her in the UFC and her career will probably get derailed anyways.
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implying that a transgender woman is "pretending" to be a woman is fucking rude. grow up
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>>753750
>implying
Anon, we're flat out stating.
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>>753727
>her competition knows she was born a man

not at the beginning they didn't, that was part of the controversy.
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>>753750
Its rude to try to force others to see you as something that you are not.
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>>753750
lmao, fuck off m8
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>>728583
yea m8 smokin
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>>728608
Yeah, I hate the way they market Rousey too, to the point where you see people spout that off apparently sincerely. I don't think that warrants letting a man loose on the female athletes themselves, though, since they clearly don't believe it.
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>>755117
>she's one of the greatest fighters of all time

Kek, she's done nothing but fight nobodies
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>>718244
The woman it lost to was also caught roiding. For what it's worth
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>>755140
I hadn't heard anything about professional women's mma before Rousey, so is there anyone who isn't a nobody?
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>>754251
Is that related to the Wilson's?
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>>750466
But those fighters test positive all the time and they just have to sit out for a bit. It happens on a regular basis.
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>>718030
She weighs 10 pounds past rondas weight class, and yea its wrong. Bone density op. Make the girl go fight with the boys and quit being such a pussy.
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