REAL TOP GUYS ONLY

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>dirty little manlet
>top guy

>WWE
>Mainstream appeal

>>3094661
worked

the top draws of all times are Mayweather and McGregor

charisma is the only thing that matters

>>3094656
>>3094674
Dbry isn't a draw. NO ppv increases, low ratings, still low empty houseshows. His merch didn't sell the most. None of those guys have charisma.

Even fucking fandango and Zack Ryder had meme chants over. Wrestling has no draws and retarded fans...lets chant dbry but fuck buying anything.

You faggots ruined his push as much as Vince did.

>>3094791
Who gives a fuck if he draws or not?
He's entertaining to watch.
Stop playing pretend smart insider pretending to care about business metrics or acting like you can only be entertained by ticket sales.
Dirt worst tryhard babby's first smark entry level shit. Grow a spine and like what entertains you, not dependent on how much it draws.

>>3094802
He got cheered for exactly that. People playing fantasy insider. The same reason they boo Reigns.

>>3094791
Ratings for RAW hadn't been that high in years when he won the championship. Dude's the only person outside Punk in recent years to get unanimous Attitude Era loud chants. His house show numbers are on average much higher especially compared to the guys today. People were definitely buying his merch. Dude made a chant popular that, like Austin, has superseded him. He's one of three people to actually beat Cena in a promo battle. Dude had the most consistently great matches. Bryan also has a WON award named after him.

And the thing is, this was all just a preview of what could've been. Austin's initial push numbers were low as fuck, too in 1997 it wasn't until a year into his push in 1998 the numbers started getting visibly higher.

>>3094656
Are you literally speaking positively about Daniel's promo "skills"? He was awful. I WISHED he forgot his lines. And still do when he plays GM

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>>3094656
Daniel Bryan was NEVER a legit top guy. He NEVER had mainstream appeal. Every wrestler botches regardless of how good are. Daniel Bryan was NEVER a money promo - it doesn't matter how long a promo is - it matters if it puts asses in seats hence saying "talk them into the seats".

Bryan got pops but he didn't draw e.g. SummerSlam 2013 buyrate bombed and he main evented lowest bought WWE PPV (Battleground 2013) since ECW December to Dismember. Bryan's TV ratings were also shite and kept getting lower during his failed title reign.

Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage were two REAL top guys.

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both guys

>>3094821
>LOOK LOOK I AM TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS METRICS LOOK HOW SMART AND INSIDER I AM I ONLY LIKE THE POPULAR THINGS BECUASE I HAVE NO SPINE OR ABILITY TO FORM MY OWN CRITICAL THINKING OPINION
so fucking pathetic

>>3094791

He did good number in all of those, but PPV rates haven't moved for years so you don't know wtf you are talking about to even mention that, they were static or decreasing yearly for ten years and WWE Network negated them.

DBry was top seller many times in merch.

His house shows drew more than Roman, Dean, Seth or even AJ who was one of the only guys to increase any numbers since.

Ratings and gates fell off a cliff after Bryan left.

And as the other guy said, you don't need ratings or merch sales to enjoy something, so either way you sound dumb and should just enjoy what you want and not try to be a wet blanket to others if they like something you don't.

>>3094815
You can always tell a faggot when they start sentences with dude. Not "the guy", not even the word "the" to make it proper English, just dude. I've seen it in many places. You fancy yourselves straightforward fellows for this, but you're not.

And I bet a million bucks Bryan talks like that too.

>>3094827
Son, let me give you a little tip and life lesson. I don't mean to embarrass you; it's nothing personal. We all learn it eventually, although you're learning it a little later than most. But here it is: generally speaking, when someone annihilates you in an argument, and you have absolutely no valid counterargument and can't prove them wrong, it is highly advisable that instead of opening your mouth and confirming to everyone that you are extremely frustrated by that fact, you keep your mouth shut and accept defeat with grace like an adult. Everyone will still suspect that deep down you're seething, and that your blood is boiling, but at least you yourself won't be confirming it to the world - an embarrassing situation for all. You seem like an otherwise decent young man, so I truly hope this helps you going forward in your life. Best of luck.

>>3094838
>sending me copypasta across 2 separate threads
LMAO
You could not be any more gotten to

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no wrestler was ever as popular at their peak

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>>3094849
Hulk Hogan and Antonio Inoki were

>>3094849
The people putting Bryan in the same sentence as him are the single biggest proof the majority of today's fans weren't watching when it was good even loosely.

>>3094656
Since when DaRyan is a draw haha.

Daniel Bryan is legitimately the biggest mainstream anti draw of all time. Check the facts vegetable smark

>>3094846
You seem annoyed about being called out for your embarrassing posts

>>3094854
did Hogan or Inoki ever make 15 million in one year? mostly from merch

thought so

>>3094865
Steve Austin may have broke some of Hulk Hogan's WWE records but we aren't just talking WWE here; we are talking about the ENTIRE industry. Hogan was on of the pioneers of merchandise in pro wrestling - he was selling shirts in AWA. In Hogan's day merchandise as a revenue stream had to be built from the ground up & the only way to get it was at arena or mail order over the telephone. I wouldn't hesitate to put up Hogan's thirty plus years of merchandise sales up against Austin's.

Hogan transitioned pro wrestling into mainstream & was responsible for 2 boom periods - Austin is responsible for 1 boom period. Hogan is the most recognisable name in the industry - Austin is not. Hogan has legendary status in Japan - Austin does not.

The most-watched pro wrestling match in U.S. history is Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant on Saturday Nights Main Event on February 5, 1988 drawing a 15.2 rating & 33 million viewers. The second most-watched pro wrestling match in U.S. history was Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage vs. Twin Towers on The Main Event on February 2, 1989 drawing an 11.6 rating & 21 million viewers. Steve Austin's most-watched match was against The Undertaker on RAW on June 28, 1999 drawing a 9.5 rating & 10.72 million viewers.

The biggest paid attendance event headlined by Hogan was WrestleMania III with 93,173. The biggest paid attendance event headlined by Austin is WrestleMania X7 with 67,925. Hogan headlined 11 WrestleMania's, 3 Starrcade's & numerous Tokyo Dome's (under WWF/AJPW, WWF/SWS & NJPW) banner. Austin only headlined 4 WrestleMania's.

Biggest paid in attendance in WWE history that wasn't a PPV is The Big Event on August 28, 1986 headlined by Hogan vs. Orndorff with 64,100.

>>3094862
posting copypasta responses because you cannot argue what I wrote is not "being called out" its called running away from the argument because you cannot debate what I wrote, so you resort to pasta to try for the last word because you got btfo.

>>3094875
BTFO

The fact that there are literally people who think Austin was a bigger draw than Hogan just goes to show how dumb people can often be.

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1995 - 2001 he was

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>>3094875
>>3094884

Dave Melzter disagrees

go outside wolfcuck

>>3094894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVO5bUFww0

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1993 - 2000 he was

>>3094895
Dave has been BTFO on this subject on his own Board. Ask mommy and daddy for some extra pocket money, buy a WON subscription and see it for yourself.

>>3094899
25+

>>3094875
>>3094884
>>3094913

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjo6xazVvME&t=2m45s

>>3094815
>And the thing is, this was all just a preview of what could've been.
Bryan's novelty was already wearing off, much like with Punk's. You could hear it in the crowds. You could start being able to tell that the chant was becoming more over than the wrestler.

Last thing this business needs is the type of fan who likes Daniel anyway.

>>3094931
Vince can say whatever he wants. That doesn't make it true. Ironically I bet you're one of the many on this board who shit on Vince at every other opportunity.

>>3094931
ENTIRE industry > WWE

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In WCW he was

>>3094936
>Last thing this business needs is the type of fan who likes Daniel anyway.
You are not a part of the wrestling industry. You are a mark just like all the rest and anyone in the biz would laugh at a fan like you who talks like this trying to sound so inside.

>>3094967
Unlike you I love wrestling and care about the direction the business heads and how successful it is. The business took a major turn for the worse thanks in part to Daniel Bryan. Contrast this to how it took a turn for the best thanks to guys like Stone Cold.

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>>3094899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ahLRsUaFk&t

One of the elite few to be World Champion in WWE and WCW. That's two promoters who put the strap on him. When did you starting watching wrestling? 2005? 2008? 2009?

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>>3094984
>you
cringe

>>3094992
>One of the elite few to be World Champion in WWE and WCW.

Yeah so Crispin Wah, Booger T, The Giant and Sid were all massive draws too?

>>3095034
By his logic he must agree with this statement.

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>>3094875
>Steve Austin may have broke some of Hulk Hogan's WWE records but we aren't just talking WWE here; we are talking about the ENTIRE industry. Hogan was on of the pioneers of merchandise in pro wrestling - he was selling shirts in AWA. In Hogan's day merchandise as a revenue stream had to be built from the ground up & the only way to get it was at arena or mail order over the telephone. I wouldn't hesitate to put up Hogan's thirty plus years of merchandise sales up against Austin's.
>Hogan transitioned pro wrestling into mainstream & was responsible for 2 boom periods - Austin is responsible for 1 boom period. Hogan is the most recognisable name in the industry - Austin is not. Hogan has legendary status in Japan - Austin does not.
>The most-watched pro wrestling match in U.S. history is Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant on Saturday Nights Main Event on February 5, 1988 drawing a 15.2 rating & 33 million viewers. The second most-watched pro wrestling match in U.S. history was Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage vs. Twin Towers on The Main Event on February 2, 1989 drawing an 11.6 rating & 21 million viewers. Steve Austin's most-watched match was against The Undertaker on RAW on June 28, 1999 drawing a 9.5 rating & 10.72 million viewers.
>The biggest paid attendance event headlined by Hogan was WrestleMania III with 93,173. The biggest paid attendance event headlined by Austin is WrestleMania X7 with 67,925. Hogan headlined 11 WrestleMania's, 3 Starrcade's & numerous Tokyo Dome's (under WWF/AJPW, WWF/SWS & NJPW) banner. Austin only headlined 4 WrestleMania's.
>Biggest paid in attendance in WWE history that wasn't a PPV is The Big Event on August 28, 1986 headlined by Hogan vs. Orndorff with 64,100.

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>anti-smarks ITT

>>3094875

Saturday Nights Main Event was on free TV, Austin drew ratings on cable

>>3094992
how can one man be so BASED?

>>3094656
Top guy of killing the company and having a terrible run as champion for sure

>>3095034
>>3095034
In comparison to 99.9% of other wrestlers in the history of the business? ABSOLUTLEY ONE THOUSAND PERCENT YES Benoit, Booker T, Giant, and Sid were massive draws.

In comparison to Inoki, Baba, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena? no they're not.

Nash didn't reach pinnacle of the industry on multiple occasions by mistake. He had connection with the fans and he stayed at the top of the card for many years because he drew money.

This isn't about massive draws. It's about legit top guys and from 1995 - 2001, Kevin Nash was. You could even argue up until 2003.

Practically everybody who was a top guy at some point in time drew money in order to be put in that position. The more you deliver at the box office the longer you stay on top.

Benoit drew by default working on top against HBK and HHH. Booker T worked his way up to main events staus in both WWE and WCW - fans dug him. Giant/Big Show is a FREAK and that aspect has always drawn in entertainment. Sid was a multi promotion main event star his entire career for a reason - if he didn't draw on some level, he'd have been like every other tall jacked up dude to come along the pike and fade into obscurity.

>>3095034
>>3095144
To add, Daniel Bryan was given the opportunity to headline multiple PPV's in 2013, based on the reactions he was getting. But his reactions didn't translate into buys so Vince pulled the plug and went back to the guys who had proven track record of drawing money in Big Show and Randy Orton (that failed also at time but besides point). If Bryan was so over, Vince wouldn't have needed to bring Batista as attraction for Royal Rumble/ WrestleMania. Due to fans reaction, they give Bryan another opportunity and TV ratings sucked during his reign and he was injury prone.

Bryan couldn't hack it at the top. He couldn't draw or stay healthy. When he won title at WM XXX he was nothing but stop gap for Lesnar to crush.

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>>3095078
So you reckon Austin could've draw 33 million on free tv in his prime?

Guess which WWE Superstar the following statements describe:


1. He has a gimmick of overcoming odds.
2. His fanbase demands that he be the center of the whole show.
3. He attempts to gain sympathy from fans by abusing real-life misfortunes.
4. He demands that others respect him and his 'work ethic'.
5. His finishers are sudden, come from nowhere, are absurd and tend to cause a fit of hysteria in his fans.
6. His character breaks kayfabe and refers to real-life messages and power struggles.
7. He pulls off unbelievable victories, in a bad sense.
8. His face is often compared to that of a certain animal.
9. He tends to substitute catchphrases for feud development.
10. He is an anti-babyface who frequently indulges in heel-ish behaviour.
11. He has about five moves of doom.
12. He is romantically involved with a Diva surnamed "Bella".
13. He disappoints the fans when he reaches the top, with interest quickly being lost when he obtains a title.
14. He promotes an image of himself as a 'decent person' which his fans believe in.
15. He is thought to "love" professional wrestling despite making vast innovations revolving around his own personal style.

Hint: it isn't John Cena.

>>3095213
Austin vs Rock would easy on free tv

wrestling more more popular than it was in hogans day

>>3095279
Disagree. Hogan was more likely to draw in the casuals than Austin.

>>3095303
shame he never drew them to watch WCW then wolfcuck

WCW might be alive still

>>3095323
>he forgets WCW started from nothing and beat WWF in the ratings for years thanks to Hogan
Lol

Austin made wrestling cool
He drew in people who would never normlaly watch wrestling, guys who thought Hogan was a joke

>people arguing with a 50 year old neckbeard who begs Dave to reply to him on Twitter

>>3095279
Wrestling was not more popular in Austin' day vs. Hogan's day.

There was like 20+ territories drawing anywhere from 3 - 10k on the reg + they all had local TV.

Memphis wrestling used to do insane numbers, then you have WCCW in Texas, Florida wrestling, AWA, Jim Crockett promotions, etc. etc.

>>3095279
>austin rock would draw 33m on TV
lmao imagine actually believing this.

I think they could have drawn 15m at the absolute height of the attitude era

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>>3095342
nWo made wrestling cool first. All the kids who grew up with Hogan when wrestling was HUGE bc of Hogan, and later stopped watching started watching again.