WWE BTFO

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>unable to sell out their biggest show of the year in the one of the most densely populated areas on planet earth
>but WWE is the one BFTO

??????

>>2910147
Wrestlemania didn't sell out either

>>2910138

>shill shilling

wowitsfuckingnothing.mp4

>>2910138
That's stupid

WM had some of the best and most remembered matches ever and he knows.

>>2910158
But let's compare attendance

>>2910169
He's just a mark

>>2910164
>opinion I don't like
>MUST BE A PAID SHILL

>>2910182
Let's compare market share relative to attendance, then profit margins.

>>2910138
people dont care about wrestling they care about entertainment

If that is true how come if you ask someone in the street to tell you a wrestling event they will answer with WrestleMania? The G1 is great but it will never be as good as Mania. WrestleMania was the starting point for wrestling to be where it is now........
Actually.....
Fuck WrestleMania
The territories where great

>>2910198

But isn't good wrestling entertainment in an of itself?

>>2910198
Explains why the WWE is losing viewers in droves

>>2910169
>WM had some of the best and most remembered matches ever

wut?

>>2910187

>every show is the best ever, suddenly a dozen five star matches a year when there used to be one every few years
>UNBIASED OPINION

>>2910138
meltzer is an idiot lol, he doesn't have any credibility left, he is a njpw mark that always has everything wrong, lets compare money, pupularity, attendance between those two, njpw wrestling is terrible and embarassing is just gymnastics garbage.

>>2910138

Pretty sure a WM has had more than two good matches. Dave overrates NJPW as always. I bet that Okada vs Elgin match will get ***** stars.

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BASED BIG BANTZ le Meltz WORKING DRONES INTO MASS SHOOTINGS

>>2910222
breaking his own star rating system means he cannot never be taken seriously again

if five stars means it was a perfect match then HOW CAN YOU RATE ANOTHER MATCH HIGHER REEEEEEEE

>>2910213
It's funny because he even admits that he grades WWE on easy mode

>>2910231
The first six-star match was in the late 80s

>>2910222
So you've never watched. Just look at the threads about fucking Darryl on this damn board.

And also - attendance, they sellout whatever capacity of a building they run. Running same buildings and same cities so often would have burned WWE market.
Money: Their profits are increasing every year.

But one of the things I will never understand. Why the fuck does it matter to fans of prowrestling how much company that is making their entertainment makes.

If you are a fan of Star Wars franchise, is it important to you how much money new trilogy and spinoffs are making?

>>2910231

It's his own rating system. It's not official or anything, so why can't it be broken?

>>2910205
How ironic
Since WWE brought indie shits, womyn's wreslting and became more about ring work they're losing viewers

>>2910238

Wow that sounds exactly like something a paid shill would say

njpw is a meme westling that only nerds watch, I'm fucking glad it will always be irrelevant lol

>>2910231
He always repeats same thing:
Stars are things he likes. If he likes something he will give it more stars. So if you have simmilar tastes as him you will look the match up.

Same thing with any movie reviewer. If someone I like gives new movie 8/10 I will look the movie up. If someone whose taste differs from mine gives some movie 8/10 I will ignore it.

That's what his star ratings are.

>>2910238
>The first six-star match was in the late 80s
I thought he only gave 5+ back then?

>>2910198
and WWE fails at both

>>2910252
>became more about ring work they're losing viewers
RAW is still 20 minute talking segments with 5 minutes of wrestling inbetween.

Thanks NJPW and Meltzer marks(basically wreddit) for ruining this board

>>2910138
Holy shit Big Dick Dave working the WWE babbys into a seething rage ITT

>>2910260
This. Anti-smarks once again displaying their complete separation from reality

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>>2910252
>became more about ring work
you sure you watch WWMEME, famm?

>>2910252
WWE has been losing viewers since 2001 and the current massive decline only began after Reigns won the Royal Rumble.

>>2910138
Now that's just shill and fanboyism

>>2910270
The Attitude Era was really more of an anomaly than anything and they've really only been losing true viewers since 2005.

>bad writer
>manlet
>weeb
>Jew
>adored by reddit and /wew/
>cried about The Young Cucks
>thinks charging $11 for a newsletter is a sustainable business model in 2017
>hoarder with a cramped, filthy work space
>dead father
>still uses a computer from 1995
>hasn't had an accurate scoop in years
>compensates by just fantasy booking
>occasionally gets it right and gets called a genius for it
>ruined his own rating system and completely devalued past five star matches because he had to let the world know what a giant Omega mark he was
>never worked for any wrestling promotion or been involved in the business in any way
>balding
>used to have a mullet
>dresses like a friendless teenager
>obsesses over muh workrate spot monkeys that don't draw
>Hillary voter
>employs Bryan Alvarez
>no journalistic integrity, gives better ratings and coverage to guys who kiss his ass
>tries to cover MMA, routinely gets BTFO by better journalists
>wrong about Mauro
>wrong about Punk
>wrong about Macho Man's arm, proceeded to get BTFO on national television by the most famous wrestler in the world
>only respected in pro wrestling because he has literally no competition
>stammers
>throws a fit when he's even slightly criticized
>plans change

>>2910271
So would you rather if he HATED wrestling?

>>2910138
???
Day 3 wasn't even that good

>>2910269
>>2910260
Sad people you are

>>2910281
>this is all he can muster
Kekekekek

>>2910211
Hogan vs Andre

>>2910280
Day 1 > Day 3 > Day 2

that's as far as I'm up to binging it right now

Does this mean Big Ratings Dave is giving Elgin/Okada 5 snowflakes?

>>2910287
Nobody remembers that for being a match. They remember it for being one spot.

>best

This G1 has been the worst in years.
>inb4 some Nu Japan fan starts sperging about Naito/Ibushi being the greatest match of all time.

>>2910244
go away mark, njpw is garbage just like meltzer

>>2910301

2/10

>>2910211
Savage vs. Warrior
Shawn vs. Razor
Hart vs. Hart
Austin vs. Hart
Savage vs. Steamboat
Michaels vs. Benoit vs. Triple H
Flair vs. Michaels
Michaels vs. Undertaker

>>2910301
What mark means in your sentence? Does it mean I am fan of something? Does it mean I believe in wrestling being real?

And you aren't even trying hard enough.
*theater bow*

>>2910258
Kawada vs. Misawa in '94 was a 6* match.

>2910305
>Flair vs. Michaels
>good

Edrones. The only matches there that qualify as some of the best ever is Hart/Austin, Hart/Hart, and Savage/Warrior.

The best Wrestlemania was what, 17?
>Angle/Benoit
>TLC II
>Austin/Rock II
were the best matches.

G1 Climax 27 Day 3
>Goto/Naga
>ZSJ/Ibushi
>YH/Naito
were the best matches

I give WM17 the edge just for spectacle.

>>2910313
>Flair vs. Michaels
>good
Oh, you're one of those *those* types

>>2910244
>Just look at the threads about fucking Darryl on this damn board
All that shows is that New Japan have watered down their product enough so that low-IQ WWE and American fans can understand.

They only understand wrestling if there's something they can meme about, and in this case it's a stuffed animal.

>>2910198
WWE is not entertaining. Its a fucking shitty Disney pg show.

>>2910313
WM20 main event set the standard for triple threat matches

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>>2910258

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>>2910324

>WWE is not entertaining. Its a fucking shitty Disney pg show.

>>2910329
>80s

>>2910326

Wouldn't make it one of the greatest matches ever. Benoit and Michaels had a match on RAW that shits on it and no one's calling it the GOAT.

Holy shit bandwagon New Japan fans who hopped on because of the 6 star rating are obnoxious

>>2910297
Wrestling is about storytelling.

>>2910340
nope it's about doing as many moves as possible in a 5 min window

>>2910340
He thinks wrestling is about trading moves and near falls.

>>2910338
Don't worry

A year ago was LU,before that NXT,6 months from now people will be talking about how great is Soberano Jr.

WM 17 had three five star matches

Rock/Austin
TLC
Angle/.Benoit

If it took place in Japan Melzter would have given them all five stars and you know it

>>2910295
Probably 4.5 or 4.75

>>2910358
>he didn't give the Gimmick Battle Royal 5-stars
What is wrong with you?

>>2910317
>>2910358
G1 Day 3 doesn't even compare, those are just quality matches between quality wrestlers in a tournament setting. Put them in the ring any day of the week and they could have those matches.
Hell, that's literally just what the G1 is; take all of our best guys and make them wrestle each other all week and some good matches are bound to come out of it.

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DAILY REMINDER that WrestleMania XIV and SummerSlam: Highway to Hell had a COMBINED one 4-star match and they are better than ANY show that has ever come from Japan.

>>2910378
t. e drone

>>2910187
No, Meltzer literally gets paid to promote NJPW.

>>2910387
do you really think if he wasn't paid he would like the shit that wwJUST puts out? get real, virgin

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>>2910372
This G1 is the weakest in years, Meltzer is over exaggerating massively. As are the new influx of Hot Topic New Japan fans.

Day 4 of the 2013 one I think it was is definitely better in terms of match quality to any Wrestlemania in history, though.

>>2910383
Nah, F-drone. I hate the E.

>>2910397
DUDE THE ATTITUDE ERA WAS RADICAL!

>>2910401
I KNOW DUDE, IT WAS TOTALLY BODACIOUS

>>2910387
You can have whatever opinion about him. Him being idiotic about Kenny Omega and Young Bucks working him about Kenny leaving NJPW, him being fan of wrestling style of CMLL and NJPW and him being friends with Mauro Ranallo and Ric Flair so he never reporting anything that would hurt his friends.

But him being paid to write better reviews or "shill" NJPW is completely against anything a journalist he think he is would ever do. And he works for real journalism at MMA site, he doesn't do only prowrestling, so he would have been destroyed if he let anyone pay him nowadays.

>Being so pathetic you had to wait for Daryl to DIE before firing shots at him

>>2910340
>one spot

>>2910344
Point out exactly where I said that, fuckboiii

>>2910387
>source: your ass

>>2910138
Fuckin fanboy.. do your work right Meltzer

>>2910387
Meltzer and Alvarez explicitly say they make more money when WWE is doing well. If they were to shill for anyone it would make sense for them to shill for WWE since that makes them money.

But they still shit all over WWE, which kind of proves they're not shills.

I guess Misawa must of been paying Dave some sweet cash for all those 5* matches he got in AJPW and NOAH, right?

>>2910358
>i-i-if it h-h-had taken puh-puh-place in Japan

Skinner_PATHETIC.jpg

>>2910204
>in an of itself

Lol

>>2910198
>people still fall for the "casuals don't care about the in ring work" meme
Out of all the people I know that don't watch wrestling, none of them can stand anything they watch from WWE, all the impressions I get it "this is like a corny soap opera" and all of them hate the actual fights because "they all fight like pussies". Every casual I've shown NJPW stuff to though loved it, the mere fact that it actually feels like they're going hard on each other makes it better for casuals than the babby shit WWE puts out.

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>an internet mark shit talks WWE on Twitter
This happens like what? Hundreds of times a day? Why is this important?

>>2910387
you don't get paid for being a wwe shill.

>>2910556
>I t-totally d-d-don't kn-know who h-h-he is

>>2910222
I love it when people accuse NJPW style of being "gymnastics" or "spotfest" like it's fucking Lucha Underground or something when it's the place where you have the highest amount of hard-hitting hoss brawls anywhere (aside from BJW of course).

>>2910541
This is Fake News. Casuals don't care for in-ring work and that's a fact. When wrestling was about stories it reached mainstream appeal. Nowadays it's all about workrate and WWE is as irrelevant as ever and only smarks watch NJPW. And unlike you lying about you showing your imaginary casual fans NJPW and them liking it, these are facts.

>>2910566
tbf Lucha Underground also has more stiff hoss brawls than WWE

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>>2910569
>using fake news unironically

>>2910560
Of course I do. He's a mark who pretends to be a journalist, and has successfully worked idiotic internet smarks into believing his bs

>>2910569
>the promotion that put its top championship on Jinder is all about workrate

>>2910138
>Giving a shit about what some japanophile loser with a dead dad thinks
Kill yourself

>>2910569
RAW spent a lot more time on matches during the AE than it does now.

>>2910578
>pretends to be a journalist

Explain what makes him not a journalist.

>>2910569
It's not a fact. WWE at its most popular had shorter promos, less segments and feuds came to fists far quicker. Match quality was also significantly higher. Today you have far longer promos and segments and matches are shorter and done in a watered down pussy style.

>>2910569
This casuals think WWE is trash and only western neckbeard wrestling fans know what NJPW is

>>2910499
>I WOULD BUY A GOLD BOAT.

>>2910580
>Papa Meltz died
>your Dad went out for cigarettes a decade ago

>>2910579
>>2910581
More fake news. They have TWO (2) cruiserweight matches a show, that typically go through commercials.

>>2910593
Just so we're clear: are (You) saying that Jinder Mahal is presently NOT the WWE Champion?

>>2910595
Jinder Mahal can't possibly be the WWE Champion, because if Jinder Mahal was the WWE Champion, there'd be a worthless loser as champion who comes out to crickets every time and has to scream "YOU'RE RACIST, I'M GREAT!" at the top of his lungs to get the dryest resemblance of "heat".

>>2910593
... these cruiserweight matches are supposed to be these MAH WORKRATE matches?

Have you even watched any RAW show this last 6 months? Cruiserweight division is fucking soap opera.

>>2910586
Wrong. storylines are nonexistent in modern WWE and there are less promos and the promos they do do are heavily scripted and generic. Wrestling is popular when they focused on characters and stunts.

>>2910593
The cruiserweights work the same boring style as everyone else, there's no difference.

>>2910597
>Have you even watched any RAW show this last 6 months?.

Have YOU? They literally send them out there just as filler matches.

>>2910579
Not to mention that when Owens, a indie wrestler known for high workrate matches, was Universal Champion they had him paired with Jericho, another wrestler with a high workrate style, and had his reign be mostly storyline/promo centric.

>>2910597
CW division can actually get really fucking good, but only on 205 Live or Neville PPV matches.

Stip matches on 205 Live are fucking kino.

>>2910599
Every feud starts with a shitty promo and they do 3 - 4 weeks of gay promos before the 2 guys are even allowed to land a single punch on eachother.

>>2910603
Style has nothing to do with it. All forms of workrate don't draw without story because people know it's fake.

>>2910608
>2016 Jericho
>high workrate
eeehhhhhhhh

>>2910581

That's why a third of them ended in interference within minutes at its peak.

>>2910610
Honestly the CW matches on RAW are the worst part about the whole division and quite frankly instead of making people want to watch 205 they're only giving the entire division a bad rep.

>>2910611
This is BLATANTLY false. How many times have the Hardy's wrestled Sheamus and Cesaro? Bayley vs Alexa? The only one who what you said DOES apply to is Brock and that's because he is barely on the show.

>>2910606
Wtf? Those matches are fucking awful. There is no good workrate, they mean nothing, the only good thing out of CW division is Neville's promos and his gifable emotive face.
I can't take CW division seriously, they fucked up so hard. It would take hard reset to get me interested. Let them work pure indie style without fucking commercials in the middle so they need to go for a fucking headlock.

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>>2910599
>there are less promos today than in the AE
Kid the biggest issue with RAW these days is that nobody ever shuts the fuck up.

>>2910593
>They have TWO (2) cruiserweight matches a show

Sounds like RAW is WAR circa Y2K

>>2910619
Oh yeah. If they're not gonna treat the division seriously on Raw, it should purely be on 205 Live. It sucks.

Like the other night, there was a Cruiserweight tag match, and Gallagher made a hot tag to Mustafa Ali and Mustafa Ali's entire fucking hot tag was to drag Kendrick into the corner and hit his finisher and pin him.

Mustafa Ali is super fucking talented and they didn't even let him do a hot tag on TV. Jesus.

>>2910615
Yeah you're probably right, these days you can hardly call him high workrate.

>>2910608
Steen was also renowned for his promo and character before WWE

>>2910622
So because you think the workrate sucks that doesn't mean shit. Remember when Cena had all those "AMAZAING" US champion matches? Remember AJ vs Cena at the Rumble? Everyone loves those matches and they haven't helped.

>>2910625
Incorrect. The problem is there isn't enough talking and when there is, it's very generic.

>>2910633
He still had great matches with Owens because Owens can have a great match with a bag of dog food, but yeah, Jericho lost a step big time in this run.

I mean, Jericho and Owens were extremely entertaining in their roles, so I think they were used about right, it just sucks that Owens could never hold on to his belt by himself and that Owens and Jericho had to be demoted to the US Title scene so Owens' reign could be thrown down the Brock hole (which is in reality just the Roman hole).

>>2910641
RAW has over 3 hours of runtime and doesn't even have an hour of in-ring

>>2910641
NOBODY wants to see people talk for 3 hours, people watch a wrestling show because they want to see ACTION, the talking is nothing more than an excuse to get you excited for the match. You think in the AE people stood in the ring and cut long winded promos on shit? No, each wrestlers said they were going to whoop the other's ass, threw in their catchphrases to pop the crowd and then got to brawling.

>>2910644
Owens has never had a good match in WWE.

>>2910646
Now that's just bullshit. They have a 20 minute promo at the start of the show and the rest is in-ring action.

>>2910658
>>2910641
wtf. Are you trying to gaslight people right now.

>>2910658
Do the math for yourself:

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=179874

>>2910641
>there isn't enough talking
I've lost count of how many times I've heard Austin say on his podcast that he hates how they open up RAW with a 20 minute promo these days when back then they usually opened up with a match straight away.

>>2910651
>Battleground last year

>>2910649
Wrong. Smarks watch a wrestling show for the fake fights. Casuals watch it for entertainment and fake fights don't do that for them. Also, the most memorable parts of the AE weren't promos OR matches, but stunts such as Rock throwing Austin in a river. You can argue this all you want but the facts aren't on your side.

>>2910641
>So because you think the workrate sucks that doesn't mean shit. Remember when Cena had all those "AMAZAING" US champion matches? Remember AJ vs Cena at the Rumble? Everyone loves those matches and they haven't helped.

What? What do you mean? I don't understand what do you mean by putting the first sentence and rest of your post together. It reads as if you skipped something in the middle. Can you please explain what do you mean, cause either I am fucking stupid or you just deleted few sentences in error.
>Incorrect. The problem is there isn't enough talking and when there is, it's very generic.
Enzo had several 10+ minutes promos.
Wyatt always gets 5+ minutes promos.
Heyman gives promos - those were at least really good, when he had someone to play against in Joe, those two were gold together.

There's too much speaking in the ring with microphone.

>>2910672
>Casuals watch it for entertainment not the fake fights

It's no wonder they're tuning out from RAW is Snore in droves and instead watching Love & Hip-Hop

>>2910666
>~51 minutes of wrestling in a three hour show

Assuming each hour has 15 minutes of commercials (45 minutes total), that's 114 minutes of non wrestling content, not counting overrun.

>>2910666
Thank you, almost went for cagematch myself to point out how much of in-ring is there really.

51 minutes out of let's say 130 minutes of programming discounting commercials.

That's not wrestling show, that's variete show with wrestling in it.

>>2910672
>Casuals watch it for entertainment and fake fights don't do that for them
Oh yeah, shitty actors talking about random bullshit really is what your average guy finds entertaining. Seriously this "casuals don't care about the matches" meme needs to die, it's the stupidest shit in wrestling today.

>>2910666
>>2910670
>episode of RAW has the least amount of match time and more time on promos and stories
>ends up being the highest rated episode since April.

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

http://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/kurt-angle-reveal-brings-best-wwe-raw-ratings-three-months-239476

>>2910686
They cut to commercials DURING the matches

>>2910687
The entertainment isn't good and they don't care for the fake fights. Stop trying to push the false narrative that they do, Keller.

>>2910692
people only tuned in more than usual to see the reveal of the secret though. it's a unique circumstance

>>2910692
>big reveal they hyped up for weeks gets bigger ratings
Who would've thought, but try pulling stunts like that more often and see how many people tune in after a while.

>>2910658

RAW 1/25/99 - runtime: 1:31:54
>Billy Gunn (w/Chyna & Triple H) defeats Goldust (2:01)
>Droz defeats George Steele (0:48)
>Jeff Jarrett & Owen Hart (w/Debra) defeat Ken Shamrock & The Big Bossman (c) (4:39)
>Test defeats Val Venis (1:26)
>Al Snow & The Road Dogg defeat The Brood (Edge & Gangrel) (5:46)
>The Rock (c) defeats Triple H (w/Chyna) (9:09)

AE sure focused on matches more than today.

>>2910673
>There isn't ENOUGH talking. As >>2910692
already pointed out, the more talking and stories there are on the show the higher theviewership went.

>>2910703
Looks like a great fucking show, pal.

>>2910703
Yeah, add time spent on entrances and good ol' AE brawls and most of the time was spent on fighting.

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>>2910276

>>2910692
>correlation = causation

It makes one of us think but it sure as shit isn't (You)

>>2910331
what the fuck is that cat

>>2910701
>>2910702
Wrong. The reveal was the third hour which was the lowest part of the show.

>>2910717
Prove that that wasn't why they watched then. It's more viable than you just spouting your opinions.

>>2910694
But we don't see that and they usually do some shouting and headlocking and heel is in control at the resuming of the match.

>>2910719
so they got tired of waiting for it huh

>>2910724
Onus of proof would be on (You) in this circumstance since you're making the original assertion.

>>2910692
this is just because steph is an anti draw. people deal with cunts like her at work and they dont want to see her on TV

>>2910718
Hiromu Takahashi is insane psycho. After he lost his belt, which he talked to and called it Belto-san and took it to restaurants and fed it pudding (don't ask me), he found something else to latch on. Stuffed cat.
His buddies in LIJ, who are all representing some type of rebellion against corporate japanese society (lazy, easy to anger Naito, sullen and brooding SANADA, emo-goth EVIL) knew why he had a cat, so they invited this plushie, called Darryl into their midst.

>>2910729
The first and second hour were hire rated, meaning they were entertained for those hours
>>2910730
The onus is on you because I showcased proof whereas you just handwaved it with none of your own.

>>2910732
Steph has been off TV since Mania and the ratings still went down the drain. Actually she was on this episode in a video package and it still drew ratings, so there goes your theory.

>>2910743
thanks senpai

>>2910745
>correlation = proof

>>2910745
>hire rated

>>2910743
All of this started because Dragon Lee didn't want to kiss him

>>2910718
They want the WWE audience.

>>2910783
LIJ - the wrestlers are built to appeal to Japanese audience, not anyone in the west. They are archetypal characters of rebellion against order.
Goth kid.
Salaryman who will dome to the ring in a suit and discard it before start of the match.
Brooding dark guy.
Prankster and trickster.
Violent young punk.

It also helps that SANADA and Hiromu are pretty, SANADA looks like he came off a page of shoujo manga.

>>2910819
>dome to the
yeah, I am stupid, come to the ring obviously.

Let's decide this

Who you consider better wrestler?
a) Superworkrate based talent
b) A charismatic talent that brings an audience.

>>2910825
Nobody ever explained to me what they mean with workrate. It's used as a derogatory remark here. And I look at it as being able to tell the story in the ring using wrestling moves. WHICH IS THE POINT OF PROWRESTLING.

>weeb nerds think their gook shit is relevant
>some autistic jew is paid by the yakuza to pretend gook shit is special

lmao

>>2910825
to me you can't have one without the other. You can't just have two guys fighting because the audience isn't big enough for that thanks to ufc. You can't have a hulkster type vs an ultimate warrior type either because kayfabe is so dead and buried everybody can see storylines from a mile away. You need A to make B seem believable

>>2910138
Has he officially lost it?

This G1 has been underwhelming as fuck. The roster is weak.

>>2910138
day three sucked though

>>2910276

>wrong about Macho Man's arm, proceeded to get BTFO on national television by the most famous wrestler in the world

One, Hogan claimed Meltz said Giant was going to win World War 3. Spoilers he didn't. Two, Macho DID injure his elbow because he reinjured it by working twice that night including against STIFF AS FUCK Lex. Three, Hogan is a fucking mark for even mentioning Wrestling Observer by giving him exposure in the first place which does nothing but give LE MELTZ free publicity and expose the business. HURR """""OBSERVE""""" THIS BROTHER WINK WINK HEY THIS GUY THINKS HE KNOWS SHIT! HEY DUMB FANS DID YOU KNOW WRESTLING IS FAKE?! Just another example of corporate trying to work the smarks and failing. And worst of all? 99% of fans had no idea what the fuck hogan was talking about.

>>2910276
also a hypocrite, he used to write articles shitting on the attitude era back in the day, but now he pretends he praised it all along.

Meltzer is literally paid by Bushiroad, you know. Anyways, he's out of his mind. This G1 has been underwhelming as fuck, last year was way better.

>>2910198
And yet WWE sucks ass on both fronts.

>>2910138

Watching OSW reviews just shows WWF was never good. The crowd makes or breaks the product, and in the US they don't care anymore.

>>2910205
Because they're not entertaining. Just because WWE sucks though doesn't mean casuals will suddenly care about workrate meme.

>>2910138
>People defending WWE and shitting on NJPW after that PPV

Oh my kek

>>2915516
>OSW
My nigga.

>>2910138
Dave's that retard that thinks this shit is an artform

I feel bad for him because a normal person would think he's insane

>>2915799
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/babyface-cauliflower-brown-wrestling.html

The most prestigious newspaper in the world thinks wrestling is an artform.

>>2910387
Meanwhile you do the WWE shilling for free

TOP KEK

>>2910138
BASED MELTZ WORKING E DRONES INTO A SHOOT!

>>2910138
this