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What are some youtube channels that you follow that are martial arts related?

Friend started recording his rolling sessions, here's one with me in the white gi. I have two years of experience on him, and I have two golf elbows as well, so I'm taking it easy. Mostly just working on my pressure passes.

https://youtu.be/600tg8b-p4I

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>>2807807
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCayr5nz5sJRrOPT55CzOFxw (karate grappling mixed with bjj)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dinasaurs300 (mma analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/user/ScottsdaleAZKarate (karate techniques)
https://www.youtube.com/user/GKCgoju (kata grappling applications)
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePitOnlineDojo (an mma athlete's karate trainer)
https://www.youtube.com/user/FunkerTactical (simple da streetz notions and weaponry, not garbage unlike fight tips)

These are probably not interesting if you don't do karate:
https://www.youtube.com/user/wlbushido (karate trivia, had a few mma matches)
https://www.youtube.com/user/chrisdenwood (kata mechanics)
https://www.youtube.com/user/KARATEbyJesse (karate trivia, is mma aware)
https://www.youtube.com/user/rafaelhgutierrezmd (karate trivia, is a doctor)
https://www.youtube.com/user/gianlucafrisan (kinda realistic pressure points usage)
https://www.youtube.com/user/linaiwa/ (kata drills)
https://www.youtube.com/user/andrebertel (point sparring notions)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkRRvXs-Msk8elFSpMrhRRw (half facebook-tier videos, half interesting cross-training with many good martial artists, almost all karate)
https://www.youtube.com/user/thecontemplative2 (karate wrist/elbow locks combined with striking)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2GUuGcfTRqvCp82-QNZ9dw (jew)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Hombudojokarate (polished point sparring style)
https://www.youtube.com/user/shinjinbukantv (old karate style)
https://www.youtube.com/user/EastWestFightingArts (researches old karate, kung fu-ish)

https://www.youtube.com/user/shimiaoyi (indian self-defense dude)
https://www.youtube.com/user/izzotacticalcombat (used to make rather reality-based wing chun videos, is a cop)

>>2808127
Also https://www.youtube.com/user/StephanKesting but I don't know bjj and it's in the OP

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Somethings i'm glad i never got into a fight in middle school. I would have done some dumb shit

>>2807547
>walk into local "Ju Jitsu" gym
>We are self defensed focused and don't spend a lot of time on the mat

Im going back in an hour for my first class, what am I in for?

>>2809093
Wrist Locks and dissapointment.

>>2807547
That op webm is precious because it's accurate.

>>2809093
I don't know what exactly you're in. But, I would read twice the OP link about mcdojos and watch after any red flag on this "ju jitsu" place.

You know? Is almost fun. Like a year ago, every anon in this board would swear over their mother's tomb ju jitsu and bjj schools are always legit and a good place to train, and then anon comes and tell us about this place.

Where's your God now?

>>2809284
>>2809539
Its mostly "dirty boxing" and trips we spent the first class going over footwork, jabs, and straights

>>2809568
how developed is the dirty boxing? we talking about actual clinch boxing like boxing gyms and muay tha? the stuff we see from Randy Couture and team quest? or is it more fluff? do you guess spar?

>>2809568
>"dirty boxing"

Did they actually called it like that? That sounds like a red flag, because any coach knows that there's no such thing as "honourable" or "dirty" when talking about self-defence. In a ring, yeah, no crotch or kidney shots, and stuff, but on the street, fights are usually dirty, noisy and ugly, so there's no point on calling it "dirty boxing". In fact, the only people who use the word "dirty" are those who want to impress people and use it as justification as to why they don't spar or compete on amateur or professional rings.

Assuming they didn't use it, but it was anon addition, I would like to know: did you spar? You said something about basics on any boxing gym, something else? Practising combinations with some partner? Kicks?

>>2809620
dirty boxing is MMA slang though for punches from the clinch

like how the muay thai clinch is slang for the double neck tie

>>2809579
>>2809620
I came in early and the class before mine was doing a lot of full contact sparing it was a teenager class. My class there was only two of us it was my first class.


They didn't actually call it "dirty boxing" it was a lot of side stepping and slipping under, clinching up and throwing shots to the body and head

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>>2809637
Interesting, never heard about that.

Google mentions something about this suntukan style. Pic related. That looks legit, although is not ju jitsu, but still, looks interesting.

However, like a few links below that, there's this too:

https://www.udemy.com/learn-dirty-boxing-for-street-self-defense/
>Here's what you get:
>5 "quick-kill" boxing combinations that will leave your opponent on the floor begging they never picked a fight with you
>"Street" boxing stance to give you the right balance and stability to attack and defend during the fight (not your average fight stance)

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>>2809744
The dirty box i know is stuff like this a lot of wrestlers like the guys from Team Quest or judokas like Dan Kelly grip fight, grab a neck, and launch their punches as they control their opponents posture and crumble their defense

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>>2809834
http://imgur.com/a/kMiGL

>>2807807
https://www.youtube.com/boxearmx

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>>2809871
http://imgur.com/a/0V6sR

>>2807547
>WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A MARTIAL ARTS GYM:

be unbiased and objective to see anything in the first place
- the coaches Are knowledgeable
- the coaches are able to evaluate students objectively
- the coaches can use their knowledge to solve problems and answer questions logically
- the physical conditioning methods follow scientifically valid facts
- in turn, people get better, people have fun, because of the fact that that's what makes a good gym, not despite the fact

>>2807956
Good on you for posting some OC, unlike all these other faggots.

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>>2809539
>You know? Is almost fun. Like a year ago, every anon in this board would swear over their mother's tomb ju jitsu and bjj schools are always legit and a good place to train, and then anon comes and tell us about this place.
It was posted, but nobody listened.

Experience is only as credible as how it's interpreted.
Correlation is not causation.
Ignorance and delusion often go hand in hand.

>>2808684
amazing

>>2808684
That's what happens when you learn a move but never apply it in a real way in your dojo/gym.

>>2811442
>That's what happens when you learn a move but never apply it in a real way in your dojo/gym.
But then did you really learn the move?

>>2811663
True, true.

>>2811442
More likely got it from anime or video games

Would you still call it a mcdojo if it went up one belt an year and asked for little money, yet has bad teaching?

>>2811442
Who the fuck teaches a kick/sweep like that???

>>2812515
Mcdojos?

Seriously, I think some places train kicks from the ground, either to stop ground and pound fighters or just as shtf scenarios.

https://youtu.be/-ht7df0SNHk

I used to train the kick on 0:30, but we rarely if ever employed it during sparring, it was more a last resource thing.

However, we never tried something like that webm, that's plainly retarded and straight out from some anime.

>>2812568
He wasn't kicking from the ground though. He went down to spin and try to kick the back of the guys foot out like something straight out of an anime.

>>2812581
What I mean is that some places train kicks from the ground, so is possible, although unlikely, that guy trained some of those, and because they look neat and that's the thing he trained the most, he thought he could go to the ground and try from there his new shiny technique.

Is retarded, but entirely possible given how shitty are some mcdojos.

However, I do think the most likely scenario is that kid watching too much naruto and paying pretend on his parent's house.

Is competing realistic if starting an MA after 20 years of age?

>>2812904
Competing starting an MA after 20 years of age is realistic.
Further more, most people still have some neural plasticity left at the age of 20-25, so they're more able to efficiently develop skill.

Jack Dempsey's Championship Fighting any good? Any good books to help with martial arts?

Story time.

>be me
>find dojo
>go for a month
>like it
>keep going for another month
>start new job
>manual labor
>not sleeping so well
>should be in bed by the time the first hour of the 2 hours of class is over
>tired every time I go to class because it's so late and after work
>stop coming as often
>start only coming on my days off
>sometimes come only once a week so my body has time to recover from all the labor plus the training
>doing worse during the times I do come because I'm so tired and exhausted
>they don't treat me the same anymore
>it's like they think I'm losing interest and aren't trying as hard
>tfw I was interested enough to lose sleep over making it to class
>tfw I tried even harder because I piled training on top of working
>tfw stopped going all together because I just couldn't deal with how little sleep I was getting
>tfw you don't stay up late on your days off

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I've been doing this jiujitsu shit for 2 years now. This guy who started after me just got his blue belt and I still didn't get mine

I'm at class more, I work harder, and I'm technically better, he's just big and lays on you.
He's 6'2" and has 40 pounds on me, I'm a little manlet. Post receiving his blue belt I finished him with a choke with him inside a body triangle despite his size advantage.
And after that I went and fought a 4 stripe blue belt on the verge of a purple to a stalemate because time ran out

Pic related, my white belt next to a new one.
Why they keep looking past me and not giving me what is rightfully mine?

>>2813669
does he compete more then you? how many medals do you have compare to him?

be honest are there moves that he does better then you?

>>2813107
>pointless, barely on-topic blog disguised as storytime with unnecessary detail posted just to get emotional support from strangers on the internet
Are you a woman?

>>2813669
>Why they keep looking past me and not giving me what is rightfully mine?
This is the very reason. You are not entitled to anything. Your coach is the sole arbiter of whether or not you deserve that belt. If you disagree with your coach, find a new gym.

>>2813669
>manlet
>keep looking past

>>2813678
He never competed, and I'm competing when ever possible, 4 times since August. And I even win medals sometimes. Even got a bronze in a no gi intermediate division
I have him beat everywhere, he has no takedown's or bottom game at all, he's just a blanket and gets fucked if he's not on top
>>2813734
I think it's a bias because he's more sociable and hangs out with people. They never invite me out though because I have a touch of the autism so I'm kind of a spaz and not a cool mma bro type
>>2813757
Reee?

>>2813064
A little outdated but still good. I've put down two people in sparring using right crosses to the body as described in the book.

>>2814077
Maybe they just don't like you

>>2814203
But I'm friendly as well as polite :(

>>2813699
I'm not here for support, just to give something to think about. Maybe you should think about that.

>>2814673
Nobody gives a shit about your whiny blog post faggot

>>2814791
it's not about me it's about you

>>2814835
Yup, you're a woman. Tits or GTFO

>>2814869
>2017
>thinking the tits or GTFO meme is still a thing

>>2814874
>he thinks it's a meme
Wanna know how I know you're a newfag?

>>2814874
>rule of the internet
>meme

>>2814909
>rules
lel

>>2814910
>newfag
lel

>>2814634
Really? It sounds like you're a whiny bitch, and that's remarkable because we've only heard your side of the story.

>>2812515
Well the thing is no normal person is just going to belt out a leg sweep. Someone must have made him think he could pull that off and that someone is probably a mcdojo instructor.

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>>2813031
>TFW 24, started at 22
I only have 1 year left!

How good is wing chun for self defense?

The two closest martial arts places are wing chun and aikido. I want to do judo but there's no places near me.

Is aikido really that bad? It looks kind of cool and the concept is neat (using people's momentum to throw them) but I feel like it'd be worthless against anyone not suffering a severe handicap.

>>2815169
wow where do you live
i would say aikido is probably the best option, just make sure to check that what your doing is used in judo/bjj

>>2807547

You forgot the /mag/ title..


>>2815169

WC is not as bad as anybody on /asp/ says. But it's not really great either. You get good forward pressure and can rush any non-striker, but will have a hard time against boxers and kicks.
It's basically just a bad "return on invest", a lot of technical wanking-off where you would learn more in the same time in boxing. But if you have no boxing available, WC might be an option.


Aikido..

Well yeah, I do Judo and did Aikido for maybe half a year in the past. Aikido is (like someone once put it) "the icing on the cake". If you have a grappling background and are interested in how grappling against weapons would work, Aikido is for you.

I'm not saying Aikido can not work, but it's a very very specialized aspect of fighting you learn here.

But at the end of the day fighting doesn't always mean "total war". If you are a police man or work at the door, Aikido is probably more useful than wrestling for you. Basically all situations where you can sneak up on someone and grab his/her hands are where Aikido can be used.


But generally I'd go with WC, since Aikido has this cult-like atmosphere I never came to like.

>>2813669

Sorry man, feels bad.

Here are some hints:

1) Wash your Gi, for fuck's sake. Yes, also the belt.

2) Don't ask some random internet dudes, ask your trainer. Don't be sad, just go there and ask "hey coach, I've seen gregory (or whatever his name is) just got his blue belt. I'd love to get mine as well, do you think I am ready yet? Or what are the points I still need to work on before getting promoted?"

Fact of the matter people just forget things or don't think too much. Maybe the fat blue belt just asked?


3) It sounds cheesy, but unless you have some disadvantages in training, the belt doesn't really matter. You should strive for becoming a better fighter and try to ignore the "status" of the belt. If you compete more you will finally reach the point when you make blue belts tap on tournaments. And then you will definitely get the blue belt - or at least ask what's the deal about not getting it.

4) Maybe it's a matter of personality. Higher belts also mean more responsibility. I mena it's OK to ask, but if the answer is "not yet" then be patient. Also maybe you should try to be more social. Even if it's hard, try to develop and make conversations more often or have a beer with them.

5) If you did points 1-4 and after 6 months you still don't get an answer, maybe you should consider changing the school. But before you do, talk to your coach and tell him that you think it's not just how they treat you. If he isn't a total dick, he will listen and answer to you.

>>2807547
that fat kid with the jewfro in the background xD

How well are mouthguards supposed to fit?

I spent a few hours trying to mould my mouthguard to my mouth, and it was still kinda loose. It would stay on top of my teeth only for a couple seconds if I opened my mouth.

Sparred for the first time yesterday, and I basically had to bite down the whole time and as soon as I opened my mouth it would come loose and I'd have to spend a few seconds biting it back into place.

Other than that I had a great time sparring, but I don't want to lose my teeth.

>>2813669
If there are any other BJJ places close to you go check them out

>>2815423
Get a mouth guard fitted to your teeth, you shouldn't have to pay attention to it at all.

>>2815459
OK, I'll get one of those internet mouthguards where you bite into the gel. Any recommendations?

>>2815463
I went to a dentist

>>2815423
sounds like you need a better mouth guard.

>>2815299
Nah dont wash ya belt thats a noob move

>>2815468
>>2815471
K, seems the consensus is clear

>>2815052
>I only have 1 year left!
You have the rest of your life, but it'll just be more difficult in some ways after you're 25.
What you've learned and remembered before 25 will then be easier remember and recall.

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>>2815279
>You forgot the /mag/ title..

>>2815169
>How good is wing chun for self defense?
Not bad if you're training Wing Chun application well.
Wing Chun gives you a jab, and a cross, like in Boxing. The kinetic linking is the same as in Boxing, except for the use of the legs. You also don't turn your wrist like in Boxing.
Wing Chun gives you blocks like in Karate, but they might be a little different.
Wing Chun gives you grappling, kind of like dirty Boxing, and then some.
Wing Chun gives you kicks.
Wing Chun gives you weapons.

Aikido is specialized.

>>2815279
>>2815678
Whatever you say, doods

https://youtu.be/v7KxuDYfpSQ

>>2815184
I live out in the suburbs of Houston. There's a judo place in Houston, but it's in the dead center of the city and would take me an hour and a half to get there and back so I don't really want to drive.

There's also a million generic "martial arts" places near me but they don't seem to teach an actual martial art

>>2815931
I drive about that same distance to get to my judo club. You're wasting your money if you train at a mcdojo, so you might as well just make the drive

>>2815931
>There's also a million generic "martial arts" places near me but they don't seem to teach an actual martial art
Modern is better if you want to actually learn how to fight.

Modern Kickboxing is just Karate+Muay Thai+American Kickboxing+Wing Chun+Other Stuff.
Modern Muay Thai is Modern Kickboxing+Muay Thai.

Modern MMA is Modern Kickboxing+Modern Muay Thai+ Wrestling+Judo+BJJ+Whatever Depending On The Gym So That They Can Feel Special & Unique.

Training in just one or specific martial arts is for nerds.

What's the view on Eskrima on this board? I'm barely starting.

>>2816438
Everyone's views are retarded on this board.

>>2816438
Depends a lot on instructor.
>>2816486
Pls no bully

>>2816438
As with everything, it depends more on the school than the style. I suppose you have to use a lot of protection so you can spar and hit each other with those sticks, and that's neat.

Although, eskrima is the only style I have heard still have a heavy focus on weapons, which is pretty neat.

I have an 85lb heavy bag. I was told I'd need a heavier bag to develop harder punches. I was wonder, for the time being, that if switching to smaller gloves would be an alternative solution instead.

Are the ratings on findmmagym "better" than reviews on google/yelp?

I'm really anal when it comes to ratings and people seem a lot more brutal with their ratings on that site than on google/yelp and its making it harder for me to pick a gym

>>2816438
It's pretty nice and versatile. No easier weapon to come by than a stick.

>>2817625
It doesn't really matter if your technique isn't on point.

>>2817762
So...smaller gloves?

>>2809744
lol what
Have you only recently heard of 'ground and pound' too?

>>2817645
All of it anywhere is shit.

>>2817645
If for whatever reason you're looking for a new gym what you should do is type "MMA" into google and make a list of the MMA gyms that are closest to you or you're interested in. Go to a trial class in each of them and just decide which one you like best.

>>2814077
>I'm kind of a spaz
Maybe this is it more than you realize. Maybe your technique is not up to snuff because you just spaz out on the mat and force things. Maybe your spazzing is indicative of a lack of control. We've all know that guy (or those guys, if youve been around long enough) who dont realize they are just flailing, jerking, and holding on so hard they start shaking . Often the more experienced guy ends up focusing on making sure he doesnt get hit and not running into walls or the other guys rolling while spaz is spazzing out thinking he is 'stale-mating' the higher belt.

>>2817645
People on yelp and whatever tend to be less well versed when it comes Rio martial arts and assessing the various qualities of a place of practice, but that doesn't mean that the findmmagym guys can't be shitheads.

>>2819138
I found a gym but its about 40 mins away. I'm thinking about going through with it

>>2820074
I think you should go and see if you like it.

>>2820091
For sure. Its trained a few pro fighters

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How come BJJ works in MMA and real fights but Judo doesn't even though BJJ comes from Judo?

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>>2812568
>I think some places train kicks from the ground
No shit you mongoloid. Upkicks from guard are legit as fuck. Have you not watched MMA apart from modern UFC where they are banned?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkEbyPc1Bxc

>>2821120
>bait.jpg

Is case you're serious, is the other way around, retard.

>>2821120
BJJ does not work in real life. Shoot-fighting and Judo are a million times more useful in real life than BJJ. Last thing you want to do in real life is be on the floor. BJJ doesn't come from Judo either, they both come from Japanese Jiu Jitsu.

Is swimming good exercise for martial arts?

>>2821395
Shadow boxing is good exercise for martial arts, that's for sure.

>>2821120
>implying

https://youtu.be/S9MBYaU4nWU

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So Judo or BJJ lads? Can I get the pros and cons of choosing one over the other?

>>2821905
I'm biased but I recommend judo first since shit can be rough and you're not getting any younger. Also breakfalls and being hard to take down. Judo has less groundwork but it depends on the gym and comes out some more in high levels somtimes. BJJ tends to have a lot less standing other than shoots and a few reaps or tosses. As far as groundwork differences, since your time is limited in judo (refereee will stand you up if he "sees no progress" which can change a lot depending on the ref) so its usually more explosive (like their throws) and top pressure heavy since you can win with pins. Feels like a damn mountain on your chest. I've also heard of judo guys with decent newaza occasionally holding their own against decent bjj guys by blitzing the fuck out of them. Also, judo belts aren't necessarily as "heavy". You can get promoted just by winning at some places, and in places like japan black belts don't mean shit, while in America it can take a bit longer. Judo is usually cheaper since its usually nonprofit and thats cool, but unfortunately it also usually he less classes a week because of that since instructors don't usually run it too business-y and have a day job. I'm sure someone else.can mention some stuff I've forgotten.

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>>2821120
Judo works, there just aren't a ton of high level judo guys crossing over.

A lot of fighters train judo as supplements.

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>>2821905
Judo is mostly good for stand up
BJJ is mostly good for ground wrestling
Both are fun
BJJ is more about many quick intricate movements
Judo is more about finding the right timing to deliver the finishing blow.

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>>2821174
Judo champions in MMA history - Rousey (ultra mega lel), honorable mention Yoshida
Sambo champions in MMA history - Fedor
BJJ champions in MMA history - Royce, Belfort, Bustamante, Wanderlei, Chuck, Rizzo, , Forrest, Anderson, Weidman, GSP, JDS, Pettis, Benson, BJ Penn, etcetera etcetera

It says something when the only champion you have fought in the women's division and got BTFO.

>>2821363
>Last thing you want to do in real life is be on the floor
That's why BJJ has been such a failure in MMA, oh wait.

>BJJ doesn't come from Judo either
When Maeda left Japan, judo was still often referred to as "Kano jiu-jitsu",[15] or, even more generically, simply as jiu-jitsu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_jiu-jitsu

You = confirmed retard
Sit the fuck down son.

>>2822131
>there just aren't a ton of high level judo guys crossing over
Here's judo's golden god getting destroyed by a fat wrestler with only a few months of MMA training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxfUsdV9j70

It's even funnier since Pride FC protected the fuck out of Yoshida. Judo would be less of a joke if their top guys (and girls) didn't get absolutely shitter shattered in MMA.

Go get redpilled by uncle Chael: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K3RRiMWVQ

>>2822274
>judo's golden god

lol ok, let's not bring Fedor or akiyama up I guess.
.

>>2822274
Also rulon Gardner is a gold medalist too you fucking retard and had a significant weight advantage.

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>>2822274
>Those dislikes
>Comments disabled
>Video is unbiased in it's presentation of the fight

>>2821120
>>2822255
The actual reason is because MMA (specifically the UFC) is often seen as the pinnacle of BJJ, a place it can be tested and shown off to the biggest audience. So a lot of the really high level talented guys make the switch into MMA.

Judo has the olympics, all the really high level talented judo guys stay in judo, there is no incentive for them to move into MMA when they have the worlds biggest stage already.

who else a /fake black belt/ here?
I don't have a black belt in anything, but I say I have a black belt in karate and japanese jujitsu and even use that as a credential to teach classes.
it's fun when I get invited to a school to teach and I walk in with the gi and black belt I bought myself off amazon and everybody bows to me and calls me sensei

>>2822436
I mean are you at least skilled in martial arts and just using a black belt because people expect you to have one despite some schools not using belts OR are you just a complete con-artist/fraud?

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>>2822436
Well honestly, teachers of course have no idea of a good anything so just about any non-curricular discipline they bring in can easily be taught by someone who doesn't know anything

I can tell you as point sparring karate, we taught some at a school and the one in charge basically taught kids how to get beat up

>>2822335
>Fedor
Lel claiming sambo guys as your own.

>>2822356
>Butthurt judofags dislike the video where judo gets BTFO
Colour me surprised you dumb faggot.

>>2822467
well so Ive been kickboxing for a long time, about 14 years. I never actually kickboxed someone but my technique is pretty good when I'm hitting the pads
and I watch a lot of bjj instruction videos and I won a white belt round robin tournament once, I even managed to pull off a submission from the bottom in one of the matches.

that's it. I'm pretty sure those qualifications are enough to say I'm a black belt in karate and JJJ

>>2822557
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

>Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko (Russian: Фёдop Bлaди́миpoвич Eмeлья́нeнкo, tr. Fyodor Vladimirovich Yemelyanenko, IPA: [ˈfʲɵdər vlɐˈdʲimʲJrəvʲJtɕ jJmʲJˈlʲjænʲJnkə])[10] (born 28 September 1976) is a Russian heavyweight mixed martial artist (MMA), sambist, and judoka, currently competing for Rizin Fighting Federation and Bellator MMA. He has won championships and accolades in multiple sports, most notably in MMA Pride Fighting Championships (heavyweight champion 2003-2007), FIAS World Combat Sambo Championship (Heavyweight Champion 2002, 2005, 2007), and Russian Judo Federation National Championship (Bronze medal 1998, 1999).

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>>2822264
>MMA matches are a reasonable facsimile for fire testing what would or would not work in real life combat.

I wish this meme would die. It's the modern day equal inverse of the mall ninja.

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>>2815169
Unfortunately, there's a fraud and orientalist woo woo in both arts. Most Wing Chun halls I've ever visited practically made Bruce Lee's corpse dance with a stick up its ass to sell themselves but only demonstrate some basic forms instead of showing how, if at all, they spar. It must have some utility but I've never heard of a Western place teaching only Wing Chun without mysticism and Jun Fan circlejerking.

Aikido is, as >>2815279 -san mentioned, something that was originally conceived of as a finishing school for the martial arts. Students used to come to its head school only after gaining some prior experience in the martial arts or combat technique/experience in general. Its founder, Morihei Ueshiba, was a qualified expert in several old Japanese styles including some fairly brutal jujutsu, and his curriculum was quite demanding.

But later in life Ueshiba converted to a peace abiding sect of Shinto and it impacted every aspect of his life with this spiritual goal of harmonizing with nature and the universe. He started removing much of the dangerous and painful practices in how aikido is taught to make training as much about protecting the enemy as defending oneself. This philosophy was grounded in an experience where a man attacked him with a wooden sword and he won the fight by simply dodging and pushing his assailant out of the way until he got tired and gave up.

Aikido has since branched into different groups which vary wildly in the "aliveness," applied study, and conditioning of their methodology. Some were founded by Ueshiba's top students before he became a stereotypical Eastern sage and teach an eclectic syllabus that resembling most of the better respected grappling arts known today. Others have gone far off into anime land with the peace and harmony mantra and teach "breathing through the toes" or ribbon dancing.

Trouble is the biggest organization, aikikai, leans towards the latter these days.

Could anyone provide a good weight lifting program for martial arts? I have a kickboxing match on the 23rd. I train 3 times a week for 2 hours but don't do much else. Should I complement my training with running or weight lifting?

What do you do besides training?

>>2823414
>lol this one guy couldn't use unarmed martial arts skills to defend against 12 guys with clubs
>that means the most open rules for martial arts competition isn't the best way to test your unarmed skills for actual fighting.

>>2823580
The wing chun here is completely devoid of mysticism, I even asked the instructor some things about its history and he couldn't respond
They also frequently show sparring between themselves, the form is done when you're a beginner, then it's done once at the start of the lesson and that's it.

I came in expecting something completely broken and unusable and I was positively surprised

I wouldn't be surprised if the headmaster was some boxeur who pretends to know wing chun

>>2823414
In a one on one fight, knowing the basics of MMA would serve you better than not knowing how to throw a punch or how to take someone down

>>2823752
>>2823796

https://youtu.be/s3_tIU4lLtw

>>2823800
What is this supposed to prove? That white belts in bjj who haven't trained to defend against strikes on ground aren't prepared for it? You realize mma incorporates ground and pound and how to defend against it right?

But since we're using videos to prove whether or not martial arts work in street fights here's two fucking hours worth of JUST grapplers winning street fights.

https://youtu.be/tpgg7mwxoLU
https://youtu.be/2dcUF-O96iI

>>2824107
I don't even need to click on any of them to know those are a load of guys goofing around on the street, as if they were on some fight club meme.

Call me whenever you have a video proving a single bjj guy can handle more than one opponent.

Hey, a boxer did it.
https://youtu.be/zof0WmcWwnk

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>>2821905
>>2821972

A BJJ player won't be able to take you down and use his (or her) BJJ on you if he (or she) can't take you down because of your super mega awesome extreme intricate masterful takedown defense from Judo.

The Judo operator beats the BJJ player 7.3/10 times.

Gif related, 12 years of judo.
In a real fight the Judoka has even more of the upper hand.
As shown in the gif, you can easily create distance and go into Taekwondo kicking range and bust out your sweet 1-hit KO/TKO kicks on that BJJ player.

>those masterful distance creating skills
I've been practicing Taekwondo for 22 years, but you only need a small fraction of that skill to take out a BJJ player.

>>2824263
Nice job moving the goal posts retard. We were talking about mma, not bjj.

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>>2824107
>>2824263
>Hey, a boxer did it.
One of the great things about striking in the streets against multiple opponents is your ability to wreck your opponent while you're on the move, even on the defensive.

>practice Goju Karate for 14 years
>back up and hit like it's nothing

>>2824263
literally none of the videos are "guys goofing around"

And here's a video of bas rutted describing how he used bjj to fight multiple people

https://youtu.be/UyXERDeMbKI

>>2824348
>We were talking about mma, not bjj.
Speaking of MMA, Goju is better than MMA, especially in the streets.
You can strike AND grapple!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGOmG1uKL4

>>2821120
>How come BJJ works in MMA and real fights
>>2821363
>BJJ does not work in real life

>>2824348
Follow the conversation, dumbass. From the start, we have been talking whether bjj works better than judo on the streets or not. And the entire point is bjj is bad for the streets.

>>2824373
>"I once KO'ed these guys without having to touch anyone!"

Yeah, keep trying. Between cellphones, CCTV and photographic equipments, like thousands of hours are filmed every day, somewhere there must be a single video proving how a single guy can beat multiple opponents with nothing, but bjj.

>>2824393
Then why did you argue that mma matches weren't a good way of learning unarmed fighting?

>>2823414
>>MMA matches are a reasonable facsimile for fire testing what would or would not work in real life combat.
>I wish this meme would die. It's the modern day equal inverse of the mall ninja.

The only martial arts experience I've had is one year of wrestling I did in high school. Didn't have any fun with it, and realized i much prefer to be on my feet when fighting. I'm considering doing taekwondo, and I wanna know if it's right for me. I just want to do a martial art that's fun and let's me stay on feet.

>>2824379
well of course, and the main reason goju wins out is because it DOES take weapon defense into consideration. The moves are fast and efficient, you aren't standing there throwing jabs all day and trying to box the guy.
Goju isn't a fighting style, it's an offensive action imposed on your enemy

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>>2824531
>Implying /asp/ is one single guy.

I don't care about mma. However, I do think bjj is bad for the streets and I will fight every retard who attempts to convince newfags to train it for self-defence purposes.

BJJ is a good sport, but shit at self-defence.

>>2824563
I like the way you think. You must be a well contemplated martial artist, gentleman, and scholar.

>>2824568
let me tell you what, it is extremely difficult to grapple someone that is not trying to grapple you back. It's a big flaw in bjj as a system, the implication of defensive ground work. Which sure it's important if you have someone holding you down and trying to keep you there.
It's not so easy when a person wants to stand and throw punches. you have to give up your lockdowns and open guard to make offensive maneuvers from the bottom, so in a real fighting situation good luck keeping someone down if they are pulling away from you.
getting someone down and keeping them down are two different stories.

>>2824543
I'm not sure TKD is what you're looking for.

For starters, being so focused on kicking, lots of time you'll be jumping. Even on Olympic events, the competitors keep doing this little jumps through the entire match. This can easily take you out of balance, leading to fall into the ground, and the same can happen with some slip. However, it can be fun, and is a striking art so there's plenty of videos of people KO'ing the opponent with a high kick.

As last word, read OP and avoid mcdojos, which unfortunately there are plenty of them claiming to train TKD.

>>2823783
>I even asked the instructor some things about its history and he couldn't respond
I personally think that reflects poorly on the instructor.

>>2824627
>getting someone down and keeping them down are two different stories.

And just like that, I have faith in my knowledge that the posters on this shitty little board don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Please let someone with even a year of wrestling experience ride you out before you spout bullshit. The very art of grappling, regardless of what form you practice, teaches you HOW TO KEEP SOMEONE ON THE FUCKING GROUND. This shit is fucking elementary. Here's a pretty basic fucking fight that I've gotten into

>be 15
>fight some faggot because I was talking to his ex
>he swings a sloppy haymaker
>double leg him
>he squirms and struggles while I lay my fist into his face repeatedly
>mash his face until he gives up

You people are so fucking terrified of random street thugs that you are going to besmirch the name of any martial art that doesn't look good to you behind your computer screens. Feel free to keep shitting on martial artists, while never training a fucking day in your lives.
>getting someone down and keeping them down are two different stories.
My god it's so fucking stupid! Please come visit me and we will fight in the asphalt, on concrete, in the jungle, fuck it wherever and I will show you how easily I can dominate you

>>2824754
You're not even trying to bait at this point, do you?

http://www.bjjee.com/articles/bjj-black-belts-point-of-view-why-jiu-jitsu-is-not-suitable-for-street-fighting/
>As a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu and instructor, former competitor, Jiu-Jitsu instructor to the French Police and having worked in the security industry in various situations (music festivals, bars, nightclubs, commercial centers) I have acquired a personal opinion on this subject that I will share with you and, perhaps, will not fail to surprise most of you.
>Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is absolutely not suitable for street fighting

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>>2823752
It was posted for humor. I do stand by my point, though: MMA matches are not a realistic test chamber for actual fighting, period. Most open rules martial arts contests might be the "best" way to run a technique through a trial, but too bad the best still isn't good enough.

Sports are still light years away from a real fight. At best the laboratory of MMA is an experiment on rats where they force feed the poor fuckers 50x their body weight in artificial sweetener and then claim it gives humans cancer and abortions.

>>2824107
I don't disagree at all. I don't think MMA is bad or anything but I'm also certain there's nothing special or superior about it as far as self-defense is concerned contrary to popular faith.

My college buddy protected himself from a thug who pulled a knife on him in the 7-11 without so much as a nick in his clothes. His only fighting experience was 12 or so years in an American Taekwondo Association dojang. ATA is considered by many to be the definitive example of a McDojo and literally uses camouflage belts as part of their ranking system.

98% of the time the circumstances governing a street fight are not transmissible to a couple of swole athletes training for best of X rounds according to arbitrary rules. Unless you're a colossal dick and just go around picking fights, self-defense usually amounts to you against some emotionally unstable twat trying to get it over with a sucker punch or a tackle.

This is why assblasted anons can find videos of MMA fighters protecting themselves and videos of them getting their shit pushed in alike. There's this religious belief that the holy quartet-sextet of BJJ, Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling +/- judo or kyokushin are the ONLY martial arts that just werk in a sleek, efficient, Macintosh way and anything else is bullshido. Meanwhile, nerds are chasing away muggers with their mall katanas and gun nuts are getting knifed in the penis before they can draw their CC pistol.

>>2824944
ATA isn't the worst so as long it isn't Olympic TKD where they training purely around Olympic rules.

>>2824300
Judo can't even defend a double leg, that's why they banned it.

>>2824795
And here's a navy seal black belt saying that BJJ is the best martial art for self defense second only to Gun-fu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGpDVCkhtD4

>hurr my style is too effective for MMA that's why you don't see it
>hurr my style can beat multiple attackers even though it can't defeat even one attacker in an MMA fight
>implying I wouldn't just eye-gouge your balls on da streetz
You McDojo graduates will never face reality and accept that you've wasted years of your life learning bullshit that doesn't work. We essentially have a decades long study into what techniques are effective in a real fight, namely MMA. And what do you see in MMA? You see BJJ, wrestling, muay thai, kickboxing, boxing. You don't see judo, wing chun, and krav maga. Because it's bullshit and doesn't work. There's been a UFC champion from a catch-as-catch-can background for fucks sake, and that art's practically dead, yet no UFC champions from your ninjutsu taekwondo styles.

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>>2825049
>You don't see judo in MMA

>>2825266
looks like high school wrasslin brah

>>2825266
That's a wrestling hip toss you mong.

>>2825284
>>2825286
Because there's a huge difference between a wrestling hip throw and a koshiki guruma, right?
https://youtu.be/pJsQrgMhgk4

But fine, here's some judo in mma

https://youtu.be/UJwowhaDKaI

>>2821120
I see several reasons
>the use of a gi means wrestling is more suited for MMA
>the focus on throws over submissions means more submission-focused BJJ is more suited for MMA
>the Olympics are seen as the pinacle of Judo, whereas the BJJ community historically has a far stronger link with MMA
>the IJF consists of a bunch of retards only worried about keeping Judo in the Olympics, installs retarded rules to achieve this and prohibits high level athletes from competing outside Judo

>>2825041
Judo banned leg attacks to
>prevent stalling and fake attacks
>create a more viewer-friendly sport
>suck IOC dick to remain the Olympics

If you check what Neil Adams has to say on the matter - he was there when the decision was made - you'll see that it was actually the Russians and other wrestling nations who pushed the ban on leg attacks. Also double legs are a lot les efficient in the giant brake pad that a gi is.

Tl;dr: no.

>>2825041
It's banned because Judo's double leg is too deadly.

>>2825049
>what is a gi

My teacher teaches us to twist our fist at the very end of the impact (the fist is upside down with the two large knuckles at the bottom and the elbow practically pointing upwards)

Thoughts on this punching form? I do kickboxing but apparently this is a form of wing chun in order to maximise the point of impact and damage as you spin the knuckle. It also stops you from hyperextending your elbow. The find the timing hard to do and it feels slower than just doing it normally.

>>2825712
I've seen some guys do jabs the way you're describing but only after a slip.

>>2825712
It's slower because you didn't practice is as much.

>>2825712
They taught me the same thing in kick boxing. Coaches told me because:
1. Pivot gives you more range.
2. Top two knuckles are the largest.

I'm surprised you got told it was from Wing Chun. I always thought Win Chun used the bottom two knuckles due to their circular speed punches(The kind you see in the IP Man movies) but then again I'm no Wing Chun expert.

>>2824743
I think it's a pretty good sign he doesn't bother with that bullshit, instructors aren't qualified to talk about history anyway, so he was humble enough to recognize it

>>2824754
why are you talking about wrestling? we are talking about jiujitsu, They are two entirely different things

What can I do for martial arts preparation? I already go to the gym for strength training, and I can't afford a fighting gym on top of my other expenses currently. I am thinking of strength training and conditioning and improving mobility. However, if there is stuff I can do at home I'd appreciate. I'm new to combat sports but I want a change in direction in life and learn this.

Thanks.

>>2826369
A little more flexibility never hurt anyone. Stretch after you strength train.

>>2826369
Yoga.

Seriously, all the stretching, and weird poses help to mobilize joints in ways that are similar to martial arts techniques, so once your body is accustomed to lift the leg to head level, kicking someone in the middle torso is simple.

Also, do cardio.

More often than not, a fight isn't so much about who strikes faster, or knows the fanciest lock, but who run out of gas and ends unable to block an attack or put enough force to made a escape.

>>2825049
Fractal wrongness. MMA is not a credible representation of what does or doesn't work in a real fight. Get over it. Furthermore, judo is well represented in MMA circuits and there are multiple top level competitors in brands like the UFC with traditional martial arts backgrounds. Sure they don't use purely that one or two arts, but it wouldn't be MMA otherwise. Hell, some of them, like John Makdessi and Kyoji Horighuchi, have exclusive backgrounds in often ridiculed martial arts like WTF tae kwon do or shotokan karate before coming to MMA.

You clearly have no experience that doesn't involve drinking gas station beer in a tapout T-shirt.

>>2826058
I don't think it's actually from Wing Chun but more so the movement of it. My teacher said to throw your fist as if you were just thrusting it straight like in Ip Man but twisting the fist inward to really dig it into the opponent.

>>2826610
Just give up, man.

By the looks of it, quite probably you're dealing with the mmautist that was shitposting around here like a couple months ago. Do you remember it? He would shitpost about how good he was and how he could beat anyone in here...

The mods deleted his posts because he keep insisting on signing with superior mma artist or something. I suppose they eventually banned him and somehow got the message, but insists on the same shitpost pattern.

>>2826658
They probably banned him for spamming

>>2807547

Hey, what's wrong with this thread?

>hurr, Judo doesn't work
>hurr, BJJ doesn't work
>hurr, MMA is useless on the street


Time, to make some things clear:

Judo works perfectly fine. Judo is such an old art and was battle tested against pretty much anything: the ring, the street.. you name it. It's not "better than BJJ" or "better than wrestling", because you can't compare millions of people against other millions of people. But there were a lot of Judoka kicking the asses of BJJ guys or Wrestlers in the past.
-Kimura vs. Gracie
-Yoshida vs. Gracie 1 (and let's be honest: also the rematch)
-Shoji vs. Ismael (Pride 4)
-Zinoviev vs. Sperry (Vale Tudo Japan)
-Frye vs. Bitetti (UFC8)
-Ruska vs. Gomes (Vale Tudo)


..among others.

Now please don't stop flaiming, I'm NOT saying Judo is generally better than BJJ. BJJ is the gold standard on ground fighting, yes. All I'm saying is: you shouldn't believe hypes.

If you prefer the ground game, learn BJJ. If you prefer takedowns and sweeps, then maybe look into Judo first.


As for "Judoka get devastated by leg takedows".. most of the time Judoka can either get a choke or at least stand their ground pretty well agastin a wrestler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwxDGGcEIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TMs9juzqI8


Also - yes, you can use Judo in MMA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBnWgT2en1U


Judo+BJJ+Wrestling = Grappling master race

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>be watching TV series and movies on Netflix
>constantly see places where fight choreography could be improved
>Parkour choreography, as well

We need to set a higher standard for fight and Parkour choreography in entertainment.

We need to make martial arts (and Parkour) the next biggest thing.

We need to make it so that everybody knows how to do martial arts (and Parkour), and will be able to spot the bullshit in choreography, so that they just have to make TV series and movies better.

Martial arts will be wide spread, sparring partners will be all over the place, martial arts will be common place in the playgrounds and parks like Basketball, football, soccer, tennis, and what not, and quality martial arts instruction will be cheap, if not free.

I have a dream, that TV shows and movies will be better, and the world is a better place.

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>>2827594
>netflix

also how short is that guy? I think we need to make a new subdivision of manlets here

>>2827621
Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong with my arm bar?

I learned how to do an arm bar from this video and it's a little different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBjqxKqfKAc

>>2827621
Man.. Iron Fist was such a disappointment. I hope Scott Buck never works in the industry again.

>>2828011
well I mean..he was in position for an arm bar and didn't apply it

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hey /asp/ long time no see, I left when hiroshima let in the pro ressling fans

I'm gonna start training submission wrestling and bjj when I move to a bigger city in about a month, is this rashguard too douchy for someone with under a year of experience?

also does anyone have gi/kimono recommendations? I have my judo gi, but I have trained bjj in it before, and it wasn't too great.

>>2821395
>>2826369
The 3 Cs:
- Cardio
- Cardio
- Cardio

Some people believe in the 4 Cs, but it's still kind of the same:
- Cardio
- Cardio
- Cardio
- Cardio

>>2828097
>is this rashguard too douchy for someone with under a year of experience?

Just don't give a fuck; if you want to wear the rash guard, wear the damn rash guard.

If it causes problems, just use your applied psychology and sociology skills; I believe in you.

>>2828097
https://www.mmawarehouse.com/collections/bjj-gis-1/products/hypnotik-base-jiu-jitsu-gi

https://www.mmawarehouse.com/collections/sale/products/tatami-red-label-no-gi-triple-set

What are these guys doing and why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XaYLHLsVBI

>>2828127
t-thank you anon :')
I believe in the you that believe in me

>>2827621
Palm up is actually better for the arm bar. Its just easier to remember thumb up when you are just begining to learn.

>>2828788
definitely not nigga, getting palm up is step 1 in hitchhiking out
your thumb is in line with your radius, when you go palm up it rotates the elbow out of position

>tfw goju-guy goin' to jail for 10 years.

It's like infinite-chan /asp/ dying all over again.

>>2829013
Cripplechan had an /asp/?

>>2829013
as long as you allow his legacy to live on, and continue spreading the word of goju, he will always be free ;_;7

>>2828826
You are not going to hitch hike out of an extended arm bar. Hitch hike escape is contingent upon you controlling your own bent arm. When you arm is extended, palm up will put more pressure on the elbow joint and immobilize the shoulder as well.

Point of note: if you are setting up for a hitch hike escape, your thumb is in the thumbs up alignment relative to your arm.

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>>2822584
>people calling me on my bulshit are angry judo fags

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>>2821120
lack of shirts probably

>>2824944
How is Krav Maga any different than Ameridote?
nice dubs btw

>>2827594
>We need to set a higher standard for fight and Parkour choreography in entertainment.

I'm trying bro. But it's pretty kabalistic, lot's of actors REALLY don't like being told they're wrong, and lots of producers REALLY don't like being told how much/long it costs/takes to train up an actor/extra.

Ever had to teach Judo, boxing, and silat in less than two-and-a-half weeks? For under $800? For only two hours a day of "not muh face", assuming rehearsal doesn't run overtime so the SAG-hacks don't start knocking down your door saying "muh work hours"?

I've travelled halfway around the world to teach, got here, and got shafted at every turn.

I'm heading back to Australia with what little money I have left.

Sorry guys.

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That Judo vs BJJ discussion really felt refreshing, made it feel like back in the day…

>>2829432
>angry nigress beating up an old timer
>great feat
...

>>2829476
did that nigga seriously miss with a shot at point blank range

please tell me he got shot by the other dude at the end and bled out

>>2829533

Nah, robbing dude got all nervous and accidentally the trigger while putting out the gun. Or maybe he wanted to intimidate the other guy?

The funny thing is that he just had to stand still and wait for the other guy to go a few steps foreward, then put out the gun, shoot in the air and say "hey, put your money on the ground and step back". A no-brainer, isn't it?

>>2829486

Want some funny Judo footage?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGPN8ltviPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP9X2PHIx3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0P0-J-xmWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQIbD8GiVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9XbQCwaViE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahY7A0zDkeU


IPPON !!!

Man I hate doing roadwork unless I'm in the mood. Went for a run this morning on an empty stomach and I just felt so drained and unmotivated. Might just jumprope instead or go swimming.

>>2829476
Stop dwelling on the past and look toward the future.

Progress doesn't wait for anyone, but we use the present to influence the direction it flows.

What do you guys think of cycling for cardio?

>>2830254
Mountain Biking is more fun.

>>2829439
Krav Maga is the Israeli version of Ameritode except they take it deadly serious and insecure diaspora Jews cling to it psychologically to feel tough and fantasize about anti-Semites getting what's theirs.

>>2830444
Mountain Biking is a martial art.

>>2829238
I don't know where you are getting this info from, because you're the first person to ever suggest to me a palm up arm bar is better than thumbs up. We even have keenan cornelius come to our club pretty regularly because he's friends with one of the coaches. We spent a 3 hour seminar on nothing but arm bar finishes with him, and it was thumbs up every time

>>2824955
It quite literally is the worst form of Taekwondo in existence.

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>>2825266
>the pinnacle of judo at the highest level of no holds barred competition is what I see 8 year olds spam in wrestling tournaments before they learn how to be technical

>>2831018
I cant compete in terms of clout or overall ability with any of the big names out there, but the next time you are taking a shit, extend your arm across the counter next to you and try it both ways and see which exerts more pressure on the joint. Thumbs up is perfectly fine if the arm is secured, but if we are talking absolute efficiency in transmitting force to the elbow, palm up will do it better.

Thumbs up is the default recomendation because it is easy to remember and it is starkly different from thumbs down (which i think we can both agree is the ultimate in stupid).

>>2813107
I know your pain, Anon; ignorance and delusion is wide spread throughout humanity.

>>2829914
>on an empty stomach
That sounds like your problem.

>>2829628
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0P0-J-xmWU
>Bully vs Judo
I remember seeing that posted here but it was called something like "Bully vs MMA"

>>2829628
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQIbD8GiVA
>gets slapped
>throws student half his weight into the round
>he lands on here to do more damage
That was unnecessary and excessive force.

I guess someone people have to be teachers, but people with such a lack of control shouldn't be in positions of power.

>>2832303
>Teaching in school full of nignogs
>Throws her, get's swarmed by black males
>unnecessary and excessive force.

Don't know if you can tell, but that's literally all they understand.

>>2832265
The best part is the bully wants to fight again (on his terms, naturally), but the kiddo just put on his bag and revels in everyone congratulating him.

I had a similar experience in highschool.
Except when I was heading home I got jumped by him and his friends at the bus stop.
Detached retina, minor concussion and permanently deviated septum.
Mom and Dad made me move schools after that.

And that was because I was doing """Karate"""/Judo since 8yo (granted the Saturday morning kids class, but whatever).

Imagine what kids have to tolerate now with "Defenceless" being shoved down their throats everyday from primary to college.

It's fucked.

>>2831036
Yep. Most schools don't even teach them to put their hands up.

>>2832515
>Except when I was heading home I got jumped by him and his friends at the bus stop.
You beat up a bully and then he decide to jump you?

>Detached retina, minor concussion and permanently deviated septum.
That's some shit, yo.

>Mom and Dad made me move schools after that.
kek

>"""Karate"""
That's a lot of quotes, brother; care to elaborate a little?

>Imagine what kids have to tolerate now with "Defenceless" being shoved down their throats everyday from primary to college.
Is that a thing these days?

>>2829013
>>tfw goju-guy goin' to jail for 10 years.
need story

>>2832823
I haven't heard of it called "defenceless," but I know that when I was in middle-school (28 now) our school's policy was that self-defense consists of blocking and dodging only. You hit back or grapple for any reason, you're just as guilty as the aggressor for fighting and get an equal punishment.

I can easily believe that things are just as backwards and castrated for people 10+ years younger than me today.

>>2832974
Apparently Goju-Guy got to use his goju-ryu in real life. He was attacked and knocked his attacker to the ground. He then thought the attacker was trying to keep fighting him from the ground, so he lifted his foot and stomped his face back to the floor.

Well the judge decided this was disproportionate retribution in excess of self-defense and charged him with criminal violence. Meanwhile, the same legal system lets Muslim migrants off for rape because their backgrounds make them misogynist beyond their control.

>>2833479
>charged him with criminal violence

That's fucking bullshit.

>>2833479
Is there a news article on this somewhere?

>>2833479
>>2829013
10 years for stomping a face? Did he put the guy in a coma or something?

There's a pretty cool gym down the street from me. The place looks real nice, and has Tae Kwon Do, grappling, MMA, wrestling, and boxing among others. They have a cage and a ring. Its 120 a month for 2 lessons a week? Is it worth it? They have yoga classes too, do you think there were will qts around?

>>2834006
120 a month sounds pretty steep for 2 lessons a week. Is it 2 lessons in any given class they have?

>tfw its been 3 months and havent submitted anyone not even newer whitebelts
>tfw can feel the coaches eyes on the back of my head flailing around in half guard being crushed over and over

just killl meee

>>2834153
half guard is best guard
use that to your advantage
figure how to sweep rather then stall from it
then develop your top game

>>2834204
whats the most basic bitch sweep from half guard
should I be going for underhook on the side where ive got the leg?

pls help

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>>2834207
work your underhook
on the same side jam your head and shoulder into their chest, lean on the elbow of your opposite arm for a base

The most important thing is to hook the same side leg as your underhook

Watch half guard master Lucas Leties do it
when you get from there you have a bunch of options. The core thing whenever you are in half guard is underhook and lacing the leg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gHcs4aic8


Damian Maia has had a huge resurgence in his UFC career and he has been using the half guard that leties been using
https://youtu.be/tm99MEVmCAo?t=13m32s

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>>2834217
https://youtu.be/dy0YIB2_A1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-pZNIn1WhI

The flow is either half guard to single leg
or you can also go single leg to half guard

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>>2832823
>You beat up a bully and then he decide to jump you?
Bully bullied, so I defended myself with my teen beta rage.
>That's some shit, yo.
Thanks man. It's obviously better now, but still fucked up my chances of doing any defence work.
>kek
It's true senpai.
>That's a lot of quotes, brother; care to elaborate a little?
It was your typical Mcdojo kids class version.
>Is that a thing these days?
Yep. As >>2833479 said, it's different place by place and time by time, but where I was there was a "ZERO TOLERANCE" policy which meant, short of crumpling up in to a ball and taking it, all conflicts and participants got equal blame REGARDLESS of context.
An autistic kid was expelled because he lashed out at an asshole called Josh who kept taking his yogurt (picture related) and dumping it on him. The kid ended up slapping Josh in the nose if I recall and , because of autistic strength and lack of control, mashed it like a squashed marshmallow.
Anyway, long story short, the kid was expelled because Josh's parents threatened to sue for everything they could PLUS go to the local paper and tell them about how the school was systematically encouraging a "CULTURE OF VIOLENCE".

>>2815740
>this

If you live in the western world, good luck finding a proper wing chun instructor when even in China, most people seeking a master have great difficulty finding one.

You're going to be better off learning a western martial art in the western world.

>>2834223
Not that guy but on that topic bullying will always be present within schools and shit. However the current state of our world is fucked on how we treat victims and victimizers. More so than not the victim gets just as much punishment as the aggressor and I find that very wrong. They should really bring back boxing matches within P.E classes as a way to settle disputes between one guy and the other. My Law teacher said that's what they used to do back an odd 40-50 years ago. With the bout being settled with mano to mano action and a firm handshake at the end. Society is turning into one big hugbox which complicates our world even more. When I have a family of my own, I'm teaching my kids how to fight and defend themselves regardless if they'll ever use those skills or not as one day it might save their lives or someone else's.

I have been trying to find reviews of the Kali Center YT channel, but only found little. What is /mag/'s take on it: good overall; some parts good, some bad; avoid at all costs?

Attending local classes is currently unfeasible, so I intend to learn what I can in the meantime.

Cheers.

>>2834207
First priority in half guard bottom is to get the underhook (or at least keep the other guy from getting it) on the side of your free leg. Without it, it is too easy to get flattened out. On that note, don't lay flat. Stay on your side.

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>>2834153
okay, hold still

>>2834153
omer?

>>2834022
Yeah, it's any class, or I could take one class one day and another a different day. What's a good price? It's 120 even with the military discount. I always thought a lot of places like this (BJJ places, etc) were really expensive

>>2835526
I live in Norway, a pretty expensive place, and the place where I'm gonna start train when I move costs the equivalent of about 75$/month if I sign up for a year. That gives me access to all lessons appropriate for my level during a week. Either I'm super lucky, or you're super fucked.

Any good stretches so I can do a back kick without it pulling my ass/hamstrings?

>>2836110
Move leg through range of motion. When you feel a stretch on the desired muscle, hold the position.

Idiot.

>>2834739
To add: if not Kali Center, what other resources are legit and which ones would you recommend?

I want to improve my footwork, hand-eye/whole body coordination, agility and form (anything I can do solo *for now*, really). I am hoping to practise Kali for fun and fitness, while I cannot take classes yet.

>>2834720
>it might save their lives or someone else's.
I'm depressed and have nothing to live for, so if I ever get the change to risk my life and use my martial arts skills to save someone, I'm going to take it.

>>2834720
I'd say wrestling rather than boxing desu.

>>2836248
Suck my dick, bitch

I have fairly poor genetics for athletics. Small wrists, anthropometry isn't too great, poor insertions, not much power behind my movements, etc.

Is it possible for me to get halfway decent at any martial art? I've always relied on developing technical precision as opposed to pure talent with anything I've ever tried. I'm hoping I can bring this into some form of martial arts.

Back when I powerlifted the biggest thing I relied on was perfect form to make up for sub-par genetics.

>>2837404
Don't worry about power. What helps with a knockout is not seeing the punch thats coming

>>2837404
Chess, poetry, fencing, lute playing, judo, mountain biking, candy crush, kickboxing: these are all games of the mind.
Intellect, knowledge, skill, these things determine a good martial artist, not strength, not height and weight, not even speed.

>>2837462
Well conditioning is still pretty important.

>>2837600
But anyone can condition.

>>2837404
I don't see a problem here?
You're a technical fighter, so what?

>>2837632
Oops. When you said strength and speed don't determine a good martial artist I thought you meant you don't need to train for strength and speed.

>>2835093
I'm committed to being a good deep half player so I never go for underhooks on the arm, I always grab for their leg

I get fucked up a lot for it but eventually it will pay off. Word on the street is deep half is a hard spot to play from, but it's hard as fuck to beat a good deep half player because you can't really prepare since few people use the position

>>2838201
you're a beginner that's trying to play deep half? unless you are a somewhat intermediate grappler that can chain grapple deep half to other guards you're going to get stuck so many times. Specially if you are just blindly grabbing the leg. You are going to get stuck and passed more often then not.

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>>2838201
>Underhooking arm
technically you're not under hooking the arm you are controlling the torso, you aim toward the arm pit but you are not hooking any arm


Learn to get good at regular half guard then learn to chain into deep half.

But you're goal is trying to run before you can walk and that's going to lead to large plateau for short term quick gain rather then steady growth as a learner

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>>2838411

>>2838340
>>2838411
I should be getting my blue belt before the end of the month, the other day one of the coaches came to check and see how many tips I have on my belt, but there is a tournament coming up so they will probably give it to me afterwards otherwise I will need to go into the more advanced division if they give me it before hand. He even said yesterday "maybe I should give you your blue belt the day before the tournament and see what happens to you"

there are two coaches, one is a big fat top player, and the other is a long skinny bottom player. I'm short and stocky though, so a lot of their moves which on paper I know how to do I have a lot of trouble pulling off live.
That's where this one purple belt comes in, he does a lot of 10th planet stuff and those positions are just so naturally easy for me because I'm compact but also very limber, and that's why I want to get good at this deep half stuff.

>>2833984
what happened here?

>>2838845
Blue managed to pop her head out of the first choke attempted. White attempted to turn over (maybe set up another choke) by reaching under blue and grabbing blue's belt. It looks like she might have caught blue's undershirt, too, and began pulling on that. Ref is in the way and the clip cuts out.

>>2836976
Look at this sad cunt crying in the corner because he lacks the mobility to do anything else

>>2838201
>>2838580
If you don't learn how to get and control the underhook, you're going to have one hell of a hard time even getting to deep half because you won't be able to get a decent opening to go for it as you'll have trouble controlling distance. Learn how to play regular half guard, then learn to set up deep half from there.

Deep half isn't that hard to beat by the way, especially if you know how. Most deep half players leave openings without even realizing.

>>2836359
Can't comment on Kali, but be careful so as not to ingrain bad habits.

>>2837404
This is why I rely on technique 99% of the time. Because when you get older, speed and power will always decrease but technique will never leave you.

>celebrating independence day with explosives
>not wearing hearing protection
>lose sensitivity to my martial arts awareness
>the sound of my opponent's gi when a kick or punch is thrown
>the echolocation element of hearing my opponent move around

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>>2839389
>when you get older, speed and power will always decrease
>but technique will never leave you.
What about Alzheimers?

>>2836359

>I am hoping to practise Kali for fun and fitness, while I cannot take classes yet.

Why not?
Kali is a great martial art.

Thus said, it's almost 0% about fitness, it's a very technical martial art.


>what other resources are legit and which ones would you recommend?

Please don't learn "online". It will only give you bad habits. Especially Escrima/Kali has a lot of details to miss when you don't have an instructor giving you the right ideas.

Another issue: FIlipino Martial Arts are not like Boxing or Judo, they you don't have a fixed syllabus. Instead every school is teaching slightly different stuff in terms of weapons, ranges, footwork and so on.

Eventually they are all doing the same, but it takes a couple of years to get there and see the similarities, for a beginner they are almost like different arts. So you might train a system that has 12 striking angles and long range foot work and then start training and your teach will say "no, that's a nr. 12 strike, not a nr. 1 strike!" and will have to correct your footwork since they are practicing shot range instead of long range...

As I said, eventually it's all part of one big picture, but for the first 1-3 years you should stay with one style and practice exactly like your teacher tells you to do until you really get the strategies behind the movements.


If you can't find a FMA club, I'd rather start with boxing and start FMA later in life, but please don't be one of those "self taught" guys who are full of bad habits and don't even know it. It's not so obvious, what certain movements mean, there are many subtle things going on when it comes to timing, range and angles..

>>2837404
I know this feel all too well.

>>2839504
>not anticipating their movements by feeling the shifting air currents around their body

>>2839899
>It will only give you bad habits.
If you're an idiotic moron. You're so full of shit.

>>2836359
>>2834739
Don't listen to >>2839899, he's full of shit coming out of his as. The instruction you get from "an instructor giving you the right ideas" is the exact same bullshit you get form videos online. All the little details some people might miss is just bullshit that changes through schools. All schools say the other school's little details are bullshit and wrong but their own is right.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on "shootfighting"? I'm interested because a local gym offers it.

>>2840746
It's all about precision striking, quick and focused movement, strategy, tactics, and quickly learning about your opponents.

You need to take cover, and shoot from cover, but you also need to not make yourself predictable.
If you shoot from the same position of cover every time, your ass is getting shot.
Once you're out of cover, you need to analyze quickly, quick as fuck, and acquire your target like your life depended on it.
You need to anticipate your opponent's rhythm and movements.
You need to anticipate when and where your opponent is going to shoot, and you need to take advantage of that.
Some positions are better than others for certain things during certain times, you can't always stay where you are, you need to use your skills to move from cover, as well.

Our based 4CC team manager is taking player submissions >>2839145

>>2814077
I've been gym hoping for over a year now due to unexpected life events. Still no stripe white belt, but I know enough to roll and compete and submit blue belts. At this point I don't care about the belt anymore.
If you're learning and improving, who cares.

I have to money from a refund from a chink shit site saw this: http://www.everbuying.net/product1259661.html

I currently have a B.O.B. and don't have the ability to hang for a full bag. Would this be worth getting?

>>2839853
yeah, what about death?!

>>2841141
stop being unrealistic

>>2840803
What the fuck are you babbling about? You sound like you have aspergers and that's not what shootfighting is.
>>2840746
Shootfighting is the Japanese martial art/competitive format that arose from 1970s MMA/Puroresu. Furthermore, it is retains a pure lineage of catch wrestling from the great Karl Gotch (otherwise known as "Kamisama"/God of Wrestling) who taught Japanese professional wrestlers the legitimate art of catch. Antonio Inoki was one such student of the Gotch lineage, and developed a series of martial arts matches ("shoots" being the term for a professional wrestling match which becomes a full on competitive fight) to showcase the skill of Puroresu and the Gotch style. Pancrase is probably the most popular shootfighting organization today, and the ruleset shows the quirky nature of the art. Almost everything is allowed in shootfighting, except for punches to the face (this would have humorous effects on the fights: see Bas Rutten vs Shamrock).

Bart Vale was the first to call it "shootfighting" as a distinctive style, instead of a progenitor to modern MMA. If your school is an affiliate of Vale's then it'll have its own curriculum but I'm not sure what that consists of. Just out of curiosity, can you link the gym? Being in the US, I've never heard of any catch/shoot gyms that aren't in Japan.

>>2840594

>If you're an idiotic moron. You're so full of shit.

Sorry to burst your bubble. I just wanted to prevent you from making mistakes, but of course you are free to do whatever you want.

I've been doing martial arts for over a decade. I've trained many different stuff, but my emphasis has been Filipino Martial Arts. So I know one thing or the other about FMA.

I just want to tell you that there area a lot of horrible "self taught" stick fighters out there. Sometimes people spend years to learn some moments that are supposed to be cool. And you know what? Of course they can work, because every idiot can swing a weapon and kill someone with it if the other person doesn't know what to do. And the chances that you will ever get into a weapon fight are tiny.

But it's such a waste of potential. Weapons have their own rules and you can find the same patterns of movement many different weapon arts if you know what you are looking for. But you need a teacher to "decode" it for you. A swing isn't just a swing, it's an attack, a defense and much more, depending on details. The way you set your feet has a lot of implications on what you do with your hands. And so on.


It's not only completely impossible to give someone all those tiny details in online videos. But the bigger problem is: you don't get feedback, because nobody is watching you. You have no teacher (or even sparring partner) that says "did you notice you are out of range when you do this movement?" or "your step is to early, it comes before your weapon, I would hit you every time." or "your hand is not correct, you have an opening here" or "your strikes are too small, bring in your hip more to get more pressure into the strike" or..


Well, I think you get the idea. You need someone to watch over your doing. Otherwise it's really just a waste of time and you are definitely better off with doing boxing or wrestling or even swimming.

do we have a discord?

>>2841458
>not knowing what true Shootfighting is
It looks like you're the one with Asperger's.

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>>2841458
>What the fuck are you babbling about? You sound like you have aspergers and that's not what shootfighting is.
Pic related or just pretending?

>>2838201
Do yourself a favor and learn the fundamentals instead of relying on single gimic.

>>2842159
Not the anon you replied to, but I've done Judo for 39 years, so I know what I'm talking about, and I say that there's nothing wrong with a little specialization.

>>2842112
I've been on here for 44 years (dubs get), and I have not seen a single discord posted here, once ever.

Every day, for 44 years, I've woken up, read the reads, checked for replies to my post, analyzed the posts of other anons and namefags (tripfags, as well; not hate), checked in at least 3 times every hour, and avidly browsed and posted before I got to bed.
I know these threads, so I know that we don't have a discord.

>>2842194
I feel like we should have a discord

>>2842194
ive been on here for 55 years (check em kid) but i just use a script but i havent seen one either

>>2842200
>dub dubs
>all digits in the post are factors
Good post, Anon; however, the grammar is fucking shit.

>>2839389
If you condition religiously, lifting weights and stretching all throughout youth and middle age, then you'll probably end up with much more lean muscle relative to fat and stave off physical atrophy for a good long while. You can look up CT and MRI scans of elderly people who trained with weights as younger adults and see a big difference.

Of course I'll never believe that any martial art will protect a senescent person from being abused by an angry asshole 1/4th his age, but I'll honestly settle for being like those 95-year-old Okinawans who can still give karate kata demonstrations instead of dying of a prat fall in my kitchen why trying to open the refrigerator.

Kyokushin fighting is such bullshit. You don't get enough time to fight.

>>2842184
>I've done Judo for 39 years, so I know what I'm talking about

With all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. This is bjj, not judo. Half guard is specialized enough as it is. Deep half is not 'a little specialization.'

You might know more about judo than I do (or maybe you don't, depending on how you spent those years), but I will bet dollars to donuts I have more bjj experience and knowledge than you.

>>2842372
Judo and BJJ are the same, Judo just specializes in throws more.

>>2841105
I don't know if I'd trust the quality of those chink bags.

It's easy enough to make your own speed bag.

I made a speed bag/dummy from these instructions:

http://alliancemartialarts.com/dummy.htm

It's basically just compacted plastic grocery bags, two bungee cords, and a shitload of duct tape, but it actually holds up really well.

>>2839300
Yeah, I'll be careful. Thanks.

>>2840594
While the other poster is right that one can't simply learn online, I also think you have a point in FMA fundamentals being taught/transferred in whatever medium of instruction, and that "all the little details some people might miss [change] through schools". (In fact, isn't FMA known for just that: many variations on a single primordial art that works? Like what the other poster said, "Eventually they are all doing the same [...]".)

That said, any resources you would like to recommend? I had a hearty laugh watching bullshido videos earlier, and I think the Kali subforum on bullshido.net might be helpful. Thoughts?

>>2839899
>>2841850
>a lot of details to miss when you don't have an instructor giving you the right ideas
I agree with you on this. Case in point, my TKD teacher (not a McTeacher, he actually competed) was immensely helpful with tips and corrections from warm-up, to breathing, to footwork, to kicking; they were definitely not the sort of things I would notice from just blindly swinging my legs into the air many times.

>If you can't find a FMA club
I found one alright. It's just that I won't have a stable location for the next few months, so paying for classes now would be silly. It doesn't mean I can't start learning what I can though. Some wrist warm-ups, footwork and sinawali---admittedly solo, would love to have a partner---wouldn't hurt, right?

>but for the first 1-3 years you should stay with one style and practice exactly like your teacher tells you to do until you really get the strategies behind the movements
Ideally...


Thank you for all your input, dude(tte)s.


On a lighter note, growing up in the PH, I occasionally saw these tires suspended from trees. I always thought they were weird-ass swings, especially when one can also find regular ones anywhere. Now I know what they were probably for, kek.

Should I keep going with BJJ or just drop out and go to the gym instead?

I'm paying $32 ausbucks a week, but I can only make it to classes once or twice a week because I'm never in town on weekends and I'm always busy during the week.

Gyms are like $10 a week in my city, is it even worth it at this stage?
I'm just doing it for fitness and fun, I'm not a manlet so I don't really worry about self-defense or anything.

>>2842536
>wouldn't hurt, right?
Depends on your competence, the amount of time and effort you put in, and the quality of your resources.

>>2842835
BJJ is more fun than lifting. What is fun worth to you?

I don't play any sports, but I do lift 3 or 4 times a week so I'm in decent shape. I want to learn a martial art to help me become more well-rounded fitness wise and to have fun, but I have no idea which art is right for me.

>>2843178
The one that you have the most fun with is what's right for you.
For some people, it's not the art, not the gym, but the people they train with, that makes the difference.

If you want to develop applicable fighting ability, stick with something that has hard drills and sparring.

If you want to appreciate styles and arts, it doesn't matter what you do.

With that being said:

>Boxers get their legs kicked in all day, err day
>Kickboxers can kick ass all day err day, until their opponent manages to get into distance and stay there long enough to take him down
>Muay Thai practitioners are damn good standing up striking and grappling, but they get destroyed on the ground
>Judoka are great at throws and takedown defense, but get destroyed in striking and on the ground
>BJJ practitioners get destroyed in striking and stand up grappling, but do pretty damn good on the floor

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>>2843178
take the advice from >>2843220, but remember that once you have a solid base art, you can start crosstraining which will work you in areas that your base art won't.

>>2842427
You are an idiot. They are no more the same thing than two brothers are the same person.

Is $80 a month for judo classes considered a lot?

>>2815740
I love that song, though

>>2843220
>Muay Thai practitioners are damn good standing up striking and grappling, but they get destroyed on the ground
Their grappling is good for a striking art, but is miles behind a dedicated grappling art. Clinch neatly connects with Judo though.
>Judoka are great at throws and takedown defense, but get destroyed in striking and on the ground
Gets dismantled on the ground by BJJ, but holds its own just fine against other grappling arts.

>>2842136
>>2842153
Hey nice better samefag when someone exposes you for being retarded. It would honestly be even better if it was two different people, because that way I would have proof that this general is full of white belt McDojo faggots

>>2807547
That clip is hilarious.

Where do I find more?

>>2843594
Depends on where you live. In california, it's common to find rates $100+ while other states, I've read that it can be $30/month.

>>2843930
Oh fuck I just noticed that the kid is wearing a black belt.

>>2844197
KEK. I wonder if his mcdojo gave it to him or if it was mail order. Either way it's fuggin' hilarious that he brought it to intimidate the other kid.

>>2843594
In my state Maryland all dojos/MMA places are around ~130 a month.

However with Judo you might find it free (or next to) in places like community centers/campuses.

I'm a med student moving about every 28 days while on my clinical rotations until January. What can I do for practice while semi-nomadic? Isn't it weird to just sign up for a month and never come back? Kata and shadowboxing are going to get stale, though.

>>2845405
See if gyms offer free weeks/sessions and freeload off that

>>2843930
https://youtu.be/Mkl05yvh7NI

KEK

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