Bigger PPV draw than Kevin Nash?

WrestleMania matches also excluded since WrestleMania draws itself

>this Nash dickrider who can't get Nash to even reply to him on Twitter

Edge

>205,000 buys (SummerSlam 1995)

jfc the company really was dying under Diesel

>preforming PPV's

Learn English.

>>2792405
I have many times actually if you really wanna know

>>2792410
>Edge
*477,000 buys (SummerSlam 2008)
239,000 buys (Judgment Day 2009)
213,000 buys (Extreme Rules 2009)
Total = 929,000 buys

Edge is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

*Cena vs. Batista also on card

CM Punk

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>>2792445

>CM Punk
369,000 buys (SummerSlam 2009)
267,000 buys (Night of Champions 2009)
207,000 buys (Hell in a Cell 2012)
Total = 843,000 buys

CM Punk is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash (go figure).

>>2792395
Bret Hart

>>2792405
>worked
>rent free

>it's an OP replies to his own thread over and over episode

>>2792424
>Edge is a worse draw when 2 of his PPVs had much higher buys

>matches against super draws are excluded but his match against Goldberg counts

>>2792469
>said by the OP
you're not fooling anyone

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Kevin "Big Draw" Nash working the marks.

Roman Reigns.

>>2792475

Can you say TRIGGERED...

>Kevin Nash
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
385,000 buys (Bad Blood 2003)
205,000 buys (SummerSlam 1995)
Total = 1,040,000 buys

>Edge
*477,000 buys (SummerSlam 2008)
239,000 buys (Judgment Day 2009)
213,000 buys (Extreme Rules 2009)
Total = 929,000 buys
*Cena vs. Batista also on card

Speaks for itself.

Goldberg was never a super draw on PPV. If you disagree by all means you're welcome to attempt to prove me wrong.

>>2792462

>Bret Hart
250,000 buys (Survivor Series 1997)
235,000 buys (SummerSlam 1997)
150,000 buys (WWF In Your House VII)

Bret Hart is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

>>2792395
Conor McGregor

>>2792486
Not fair to compare guys who main event PPV's after launch of WWE Network

>>2792395

>having rules

I'm pretty sure Austin is a way bigger PPV draw than Nashetty.

>>2792514
Sounds like you're afraid that the BIG DOG'S subscribe numbers are gonna destroy Nash's, my dude.

>>2792395
Hi Kevin!

Sting

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>>2792395
>>matches against super draws Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock + long term draw John Cena are excluded (unless their only singles match PPV main events were against them).

>>2792511
UFC 196 McGregor vs Diaz = 1,317,000
UFC 202 McGregor v Diaz 2 1,650,000
UFC 205 McGregor v Alvarez 1,300,000

Conor is a bigger PPV draw than Nash. But I'm talking pro wrestling not MMA.

Ronda Rousey.

>>2792517
Already sated Austin is a super draw. Everybody knows he's a bigger draw than Nash so what's point is proving obvious?

>>2792523
Nope. I'm actually a HUGE fan of Big Dawg.

>>2792525
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

>>2792537

You asked for bigger PPV draws than Nash, so... how about Orton though?

Triple H

>>2792527
>Sting
250,000 buys (Spring Stampede 1998)
230,000 buys (Great American Bash 1990)
200,000 buys (Halloween Havoc 1990)
Total = 680,000 buys

Sting is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

>>2792547
2 Cold Scorpio

>>2792528
Looking at Undertakers numbers during his long tenure and he wasn't really a super draw on PPV unless he was wrestling Hogan, Austin, Rock

This is a good thread on asp for once

Batista

>>2792544
>Randy Orton
387,000 buys (SummerSlam 2004)
280,000 buys (Armageddon 2005)
271,000 buys (No Mercy 2007)
Total = 938,000 buys

Randy Orton is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

>>2792555
I mean if you're discounting Wrestlemania that's kinda to be expected because for a huge chunk of his career, he was intrinsically tied to Wrestlemania.

>>2792545
> Triple H
480,000 buys (No Way Out 2000)
429,000 buys (Vengeance 2005)
350,000 buys (Armageddon 1999)
Total = 1,259,000 buys

Big Sexy is a worse draw on PPV than The Game!

>Wrestlemania doesn't count
>Starrcade does
[doubt]

>>2792547
Damn Stink couldn't draw flies to shit without Wreck Flair or Hogan carrying him

>>2792548
Didn't main event any PPV's (at least off top of my head which I'm confident is correct).

Batista

>>2792557

>Batista
429,000 buys (Vengeance 2005)
341,000 buys (Survivor Series 2007)
338,000 buys (Survivor Series 2006)
Total = 1,108,000 buys

Big Dave is a bigger draw than Big Kev on PPV by a little!

>>2792567
Based Haitch burying Nashetty

>>2792555
WrestleMania by and large draws itself. Sure Undertaker helps but hard to determine by how much.

>The Undertaker
477,000 buys (SummerSlam 2008)
341,000 buys (Survivor Series 2007)
305,000 buys (Judgment Day 1998)
Total = 1,123,000 buys

Undertaker is a bigger draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

Satisfied?

>>2792547
Do you really think people bought Starrcade '97 because of the Starrcade name over Sting vs Hogan?

>>2792570
Starrcade was never anything comparable to WrestleMania ever with the exception of 1997 when Hogan fought Sting.

AJ Styles

>>2792597
Okay, but Wrestlemania wasn't always the draw just based on its name.

For curiosity's sake, who was the biggest PPV draw? Hogan, Austin, Rock or Cena?

>>2792573
>Ric Flair
230,000 buys (Great American Bash 1990)
210,000 buys (WrestleWar 1990)
190,000 buys (Great American Bash 1990)
Total = 630,000 buys

Ric Flair is a worse PPV draw than Sting and Kevin Nash!

Flair and Sting PPV numbers obviously go up if you include matches against super draw Hogan

>>2792605
I think biggest single buyrate was Rock and Cena. Most in a short window would probably be Austin and longevity would be Hogan.

Can any wrestler beat these numbers?

>Steve Austin
770,000 (Invasion 2001)
700,000 (Summerslam 1998)
Total = 1,470,000 buys

I won't even add a 3rd to give others a chance

>>2792610
Wreck Flel BTFO

>>2792621

How many buys did WM17 have?

I don't think they were better draws than Nash but what are the PPV draws for the 2nd tier 1998-2002 WWF guys (Kane, Jericho and Benoit)

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>>2792629
OP said WM's don't count

>>2792636

Those are some great dimes. I feel 17 drew so much because of Christian being on the card.

>>2792636
Wrestlemania as an event wasn't a draw until 17

>>2792642
WM 17 is still the most bought PPV in North America, WWE only started disclosing international buys after WM 19 (I wonder why)

>>2792599
>AJ Styles
38,000 buys (Bound for Glory 2009)
30,000 buys (TNA Lockdown 2005)
20,000 buys (Hard Justice 2005)
Total = 88,000 buys

AJ Styles is a worse PPV draw than Kevin Nash!

>>2792605
Good question. Honestly don't know. Would require few hours research.

Kurt Angle

>>2792621
Invasion 2001 was a 10 man tag match though plus the biggest selling point was WCW vs. WWF for first time ever. WWF botched the angle and they never did that type of number for a B level PPV again. Closest was probs No Way Out 2002 because of nWo debut which did 575,000 buys.

>>2792610
Those aren't his best numbers you retard

>>2792497
>Goldberg was never a super draw on PPV
Goldberg's main event PPV run while he was hot only lasted 4 months before Big Kev axed that himself. Trying to use that as a justification for sticking Starrcade in for Nash while excluding it for Sting is just dumb.

>>2792630
>Kane
305,000 buys (Judgment Day 1998)
210,000 buys (Hell in a Cell 2010)
194,000 buys (Elimination Chamber 2012)
Total = 709,000 buys

>Chris Benoit
387,000 buys (SummerSlam 2004)
232,000 buys (Vengeance 2004)
95,000 buys (Souled Out 2000)
Total = 714,000 buys

>Chris Jericho
*319,000 buys (Survivor Series 2008)
261,000 buys (No Mercy 2008)
*153,000 buys (Cyber Sunday 2008)
Total = 733,000 buys
*Had to include matches against John Cena due to having so few little singles match PPV main events. He's a poor draw so don't really matter.

Kevin Nash is a bigger PPV draw than Kane, Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho!

>>2792690
Of course, he was a solid draw. Not huge like his fanboys but not awful like his haters

>>2792690

>Souled Out

There's some irony here.

>>2792662
>Kurt Angle
*322,000 buys (Vengeance 2003)
**240,000 buys (Unforgiven 2005)
218,000 buys (No Way Out 2006)
Total = 780,000 buys

* vs. Lesnar/Big Show (Triple Threat)
** vs. Cena

>>2792681
Goldberg drew one great buyrate in his entire career vs. Kevin Nash.

Maybe 2 if you include WrestleMania XX.

To exclude Goldberg because he 1 great buyrate compared to Hogan, Austin, Rock and even Cena who drew (safe bet) close to 10 times that would be dumb.

Goldberg was not a big PPV draw. Drew nowhere near Hogan, Austin, Rock.

>>2792668
the promo for Invasion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aip8YIb-fjk

The go home segment on Raw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI8ySy3wxjM

"Please buy this ppv Stone cold is face now we promise!"
18+

Christian

The Rock
HBK
Rey Mysterio
Yokozuna

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>>2792709
>Lesnar
>Big Show
>The slightest hint of being reasons people bought a PPV in 2003 over Angle

>>2792690
Was KotR 1998 really that bad of a buyrate or did you just not include it for Kane? He was main event on the show.

>>2792736
351,000 and Kane/Austin was by far the most promoted match

Mankind / Taker was made at the last minute

>>2792654
>using TNA instead of WWE
wheeee

>>2792736
this whole thread is trolling and people not using the actual top 3

>>2792745
Decent number at the time. I always felt he could have been a good champion while the stronger talkers (Austin and Rock) would chase him for the belt. He was actually incredibly over in 98.

>>2792594
No. But matches against Hogan are discounted bc Hogan is a proven super draw.

>>2792746
He hasn't main evented a WWE PPV except against Cena and even then the Network makes current WWE PPV buyrates non-factors

>>2792723
>Clueless

Kid, I'm well over 18 & you need to learn history. There was a REAL wrestling war, a rivalry stretching back years and years. Well before the Monday Night Wars back when WCW was still operated under the NWA and owned by Jim Crockett. Fans dreamed about seeing NWA/WCW stars against WWF stars. I guess you're too young to know how well wrestling magazines sold based on WCW vs. WWF fantasy matches.

"This is WWF vs. WCW, we've been waiting for this for 20 fucking years, and this is what you give us!?! he (Vince McMahon) hurt the fans feelings." - Jim Cornette on the Invasion

Study the business. If you think Austin drew the Invasion butyrate you're either delusional or ignorant.

None of Austin other PPV's that year or next year drew close to that because he wasn't the main draw. The WWF vs. WCW concept was and when WWF didn't deliver on that PPV, those WCW fans who bought the PPV didn't open their wallets again.

Ultimate Warrior

>>2792593
And they say Undercarder doesn't draw a dime

>>2792726
He never main evented a WWE PPV.

>>2792783
>None of Austin other PPV's that year or next year drew close to that because he wasn't the main draw. The WWF vs. WCW concept was and when WWF didn't deliver on that PPV, those WCW fans who bought the PPV didn't open their wallets again.

Yeah they would have made a lot more money if they had just had Shane run WCW, buy out some contracts, wait out a couple others, and then finally do the WCW vs WWF. If they really wanted to do an invasion angle have the nWo leave WCW and invade WWF.

>>2792729
>Shawn Michaels
335,000 buys (Armageddon 2002)
261,000 buys (No Mercy 2008)
250,000 buys (Survivor Series 1997)
Total = 846,000 buys

>Rey Mysterio
252,000 buys (Judgment Day 2006)
232,000 buys (Great American Bash 2006)
*181,000 buys (Bragging Rights 2009)
Total = 665,000 buys
*Didn't main event but was featured match. Also was Fatal Four Way with Undertaker, Batista and CM Punk

>Yokozuna
250,000 buys (Summerslam 1993)
205,000 buys (Survivor Series 1994)
*160,000 buys (In Your House 3 1995)
Total = 615,000 buys
*tag match with Owen vs. Diesel/HBK

Shawn Michaels, Rey Mysterio and Yokozuna are all WORSE PPV draws than Big Sexy Kevin Nash

>>2792730
I know but Angle had so few singles match PPV main events that didn't include Austin or Rock I had to include to get 3 PPV's and he's nota big draw so it hardly matters.

>>2792825
>Rey and Yokozuna that close
Reyetty BTFO

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>>2792395
>Bad Blood 2003

>>2792395
Every single woman to ever wrestle in the WWE/WCW/big promotion

>>2792736
I clearly said main event matches against super draws Hogan, Austin, Rock + long term draw Cena are excluded + WrestleMania matches (because show draws itself).

>>2792746
AJ Styles wrestles for WWE in the WWE Network era. PPV numbers are now basically as Matt Hardy would say OBSOLETE.

>>2792751
Legit top 3 numbers. JUST main event matches against super draws Hogan, Austin, Rock + long term draw Cena are excluded + WrestleMania matches (because show draws itself).

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>>2792841
>super draws
This faggy term of yours will never get over. Stop.

Okada.

Steiner.

>>2792849
>super draws Hogan, Austin, Rock
Are you really trying to say their opponents have no bearing on the buyrate? Is the difference between Hogan/Savage and Hogan/Warrior just some weird mystery?

>long term draw Cena
Legitamtely what the fuck does this even mean and how does it factor into PPV buyrates

>WrestleMania matches (because show draws itself)
So the fact that Wrestlemania's PPV numbers have fluctuated so drastically over the years is just some coincidence? That Wrestlemania itself being presented as a draw only became a thing with X7 also isn't a factor?

>>2792790
There weren't many PPV during Ultimate Warrior's prime (like 4 per year) almost everything he did was closely connected to Hogan.

>Ultimate Warrior
*507,000 buys (vs. Rude, SummerSlam 1990)
**380,000 buys (Ultimate Warriors vs. Heenan Family, Survivor Series 1989)
280,000 buys (vs. Savage SummerSlam 1992)

*Hogan vs. Earthquake also on show

**4 on 4 elimination match. Hulkamaniacs vs. Million $ Dream Team also on card.

>>2792838

Every woman in WWE ever
Total = $0

>>2792850
What would you prefer I use good sir?

>>2792395
Jeff Hardy

>>2792681
>before Big Kev axed that himself.
Dont come to shit post on a Filipino Oragami image site to talk about old school wrestling and still believe this stupid meme. Goldberg's reign of terror was on its last leg when he got to Nash, who wasn't even booker yet. Bishoff called it, and had good reason to. A guy can't go undefeated and squash a new wrestler every week forever! Not when's he's getting booed and they need to pipe in goldberg chants to make him seem over to the mutants who don't know any better like you.

>>2792945
>Jeff Hardy
369,000 buys (SummerSlam 2009)
267,000 buys (Night of Champions 2009)
239,000 buys (Judgment Day 2009)
Total = 875,000 buys

Kevin Nash is a bigger PPV draw than Jeff Hardy

>>2792525
I'm your biggest fan Kevin!

>>2792597
I remember buying that ppv just to see Bret show up.

>>2792901
Warrior confirmed bigger draw than Nash

>>2792949
True. Eric Bischoff is on record taking full responsibility for ending to streak.

Also if the streak ending killed him like that guy claims, how come Scott Hall vs. Goldberg at the very next PPV; Souled Out 1999 drew 270,000 buys with a SHIT card, which is the same amount of PPV buys that Halloween Havoc 1998 did with a STACKED card featuring Goldberg vs. DDP, Hogan vs. Warrior, Nash vs. Hall, Sting vs. Bret, Steiner vs. Steiner.

>>2792395
Eddie Guerrero

What about Savage?

>>2792979
>Eddie Guerrero
266,000 buys (No Way Out 2004)
224,000 buys (No Mercy 2005)
220,000 buys (Judgment Day 2004)
Total = 710,00 buys

Eddie Guerrero CONFIRMED lower PPV draw than Big Sexy Kevin Nash!

>>2792985
>Randy Savage
280,000 buys (SummerSlam 1992)
250,000 buys (Spring Stampede 1998)
165,000 buys (Great American Bash 1997)
Total = 695,000 PPV buys

Macho Man lower PPV draw than Kevin Nash

>>2792996
Ok now what about HBK? Either him or HHH I would assume are the highest drawing members of the Kliq.

>>2793005
Already did them but since I made mistake with Triple H first time I'll do it again.

> Triple H
480,000 buys (No Way Out 2000)
429,000 buys (Vengeance 2005)
385,000 buys (Bad Blood 2003)
Total = 1,294,000 buys

HHH is a bigger PPV draw than Nash

>Shawn Michaels
335,000 buys (Armageddon 2002)
261,000 buys (No Mercy 2008)
250,000 buys (Survivor Series 1997)
Total = 846,000 buys

Nash is a bigger PPV draw than HBK

>>2792395
>>2792402
>all these shitty rules to push your agenda

A super draw needs a good enemy to fight otherwise they wouldn't draw shit. You really think people would have gotten invested in guys like Hogan, Austin or Rock if they were facing only jobber tier guys on ppv?

>austin vs gilberg at the peak of austin popularity for the title at summerslam

Yeah I'm sure that would have put asses in seats right? Fucking idiot

Sheamus

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>>2792395
"""Based"""" Big Sexy Kevin Nash outdrawn by a single event headlined by a woman

>>2792996
That's bogus. Hogan's best drawing mania was because it was against Savage (in a time when Wrestlemania wasn't itself a draw). Which was almost double than all other Hogan main event Mania's previously. And that was with less PPV ordering ability back than since not everyone had cable.

>>2793026
>notice the trend
Hogan draws big with anybody.
Austin draws big with anybody.
Rock draws big with anybody.

>notice the trend
Undertaker doesn't draw big with anybody.
HHH doesn't draw big with anybody.
Goldberg doesn't draw big with anybody.

>notice the trend
Savage only draws big with Hogan.
Flair only draws big with Hogan.
Sting only draws big with Hogan.

You seriously want me to say for example Jericho is responsible for drawing 575,00 buys at Now Way Out 2002 when he wrestled super draw Austin? + card featured Rock vs. Taker + HHH vs. Angle + return of (nWo - Hogan, Hall, Nash)?

I excluded Hogan, Austin, Rock + Cena for good reason.

>>2792563
>Randy Orton is a worse draw on PPV than Kevin Nash

Again see >>2793026

Your rules are stupid as fuck. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if Orton's top 3 ppv buys didn't outdraw Nash top 3 ppv buys. Orton has been a more consistent draw for a much longer time at the top than Nash has ever been and this wouldn't even count Wrestlemania. Throw in Mania and clearly Orton has been a bigger main eventer and for longer than Nash ever was.

That isn't to shit on Nash either since Nash is great and was over when wrestling as a whole was the most over.

And I will say it again, for a draw to draw well they still need to go up against credible wrestlers. Otherwise nobody would care much. You can't have let us say Lesnar for example, squash guys like Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel at important ppv's in main events instead of facing more credible competition. So while a guy like Joe might be inferior in drawing ability to a guy like Nash or Lesnar he is still going to be seen as credible enough to even allow Lesnar to be that "draw" here.

>>2793043
Taking out the early Mania's (pre 23's million buys) fuck the measuring stick. Especially since Nash gets Starcade to bolster his numbers.

>>2793043

That is true. But Savage only drew huge against/with Hogan. I could easily boost Kevin Nash's numbers also by using his headline matches with Hogan.

WWF Wrestlemania III
PPV buys: 400,000
Closed Circuit: 441,000

WWF Wrestlemania III
PPV buys: 767,000
Closed Circuit: 175,000

>>2793079
2nd stats are for WM 5

>>2793046
It is about tiers here you autist.

>tier 1
Austin
Rock
Hogan
Bruno
etc

>tier 2
Flair
Sting
etc

>tier 3
Jericho
etc

>tier 9999
guys like Bo Dallas, Santino, Doink, etc

Who cares if Savage only drew big when with Hogan? The fact is he still was a part of that draw. That is the important part here. Also a guy like Sting and Angle actually helped a company like TNA to even get any buys for ppv and any sort of relevancy. Without them who knows how long TNA would have ever lived. Look it up yourself and quit with this autism lol.

>>2792871

>>2793085
another thing to note with the big 4 is that the wrong opponent will still sink a show. e.g. Sgt Slaughter at mania 7 and beyond. Got outdrawn on the house show circuit by Warrior/Taker.

>>2793069

See
>>2793046

No, it's not stupid. Not saying it's perfect (what is) but it's more than fair.

>Throwing in Mania numbers
Are you for real? Randy Orton isn't responsible for any of those million buy shows or close to million buys show. You deluded moron. Mania draws itself and basically always has.

Cry me a river you butthurt Orton mark.

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This is a very solid thread, ****

>>2793085
Again savage only drew big with Hogan.

Who cares if Savage only drew big with Hogan? I care.

My thread. My Rules. My (fair) criteria.

See:

>>2793046

That's all I got to say. If you don't like. Don't care. It's a bit of fun.

In conclusion it's more than fair to see who has the best PPV buyrate total/average when Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena are not a factor.

>>2793112
>hurr if a guys top 3 ppv buys doesn't compare to nash's then it means he was a shit draw

Nice shit thread faggot.

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>>2793116
Outsiders laughing at your small penis

What about anti-draw Daniel Bryan?

This is some pretty decent trolling.

>>2792636
>WM 4
Damn, Hoganetty and Andretty confirmed ultimate anti-draws

>>2793126
>Daniel Bryan
232,000 (Hell in a Cell 2013)
196,000 (Night of Champions 2013)
119,000 buys (Battleground 2013)
Total = 547,000 buys

Kevin Nash is basically twice the draw (and height) Daniel Bryan is!

>>2793129
It doesn't show closed circuit numbers. Add 441,000.

>>2793130
Just as I suspected!

lex luger

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>>2793103
Thanks!

>>2793130
LOL that battleground buyrate

WWE where perfectly justified in depushing Bryan

>>2793141
>Lex Luger
250,000 buys (Summerslam 1993)
210,000 buys (WrestleWar 1990)
190,000 buys (Great American Bash 1988)
Total = 650,000 buys

Big Sexy The Giant Killer Kevin Nash is a bigger PPV draw than Lex Luger but The Total Package is a bigger PPV draw than Daniel Bryan!

So far, the biggest draws ITT are
>Big Sexy
>HHH
>Batista
>Undertaker
>Hogan
>Cena
>Rock
>Austin
None of them are indie manlets like GayJ or Baloring, really made me think...
>>2792395
Brock Lesnar

Is there a way to add subscribers to the network at the time in addition to PPV buys so we can see just how bad it's been recently?

BIG POPPA PUMP Scott Steiner.

how about RVD?

>>2792586
BASED BIG DAVE

SAVE_US.BATISTA

>>2793175
>Brock Lesnar
*392,000 buys (SummerSlam 2012)
*332,00 buys (SummerSlam 2013)
315,000 buys (Judgment Day 2003)
Total = 1,039,000 buys
*He didn't close show but safe to say any card he's appeared on since his 2012 return he was the main draw given that's he's the special attraction.

>Kevin Nash
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
385,000 buys (Bad Blood 2003)
205,000 buys (SummerSlam 1995)
Total = 1,040,000 buys

Kevin Nash is a BIGGER draw on PPV than BROCK LESNAR! by 1,000 buys!

Remove Starrcade 1998 from Kevin Nash's list because Goldberg was the draw in the main event you jabroni.

Nash just wasn't a draw, deal with it.

>>2793242
Yes, this thread is stupid.

Give me Goldberg vs Kevin Nash draw numbers and we'll see who carried who in Starrcade

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>>2792621

>Undertaker
770,000 (Invasion 2001)
700,000 (Summerslam 1998)
Total = 1,470,000 buys

>>2793220
>Rob Van Dam
85,000 buys (Anarchy Rulz 1999)
20,000 buys (Hard Justice 2010)
15,000 buys (Slammiversary 2010)
Total = 120,000 buys

Kevin Nash is a bigger PPV draw than RVD

>>2792973
Not that anon but Bischoff isn't a reliable source. His entire career is built on cocksucking Hogan, and Nash

are we counting Royal Rumbles?

>>2793271
of course not, the royal rumble is the draw and it's 30 people

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>>2793242
>>2793253
>people actually getting worked over an obvious troll thread by some Nash mark

>>2793253
>Goldberg
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
398,000 buys (Survivor Series 2003)
280,000 buys (Unforgiven 2003)
Total = 1,128,000 buys

Bigger than Nash by 88,000 buys.

Nash average = 346,000 buys
Goldberg average = 376,000 buys

How many times have I got to say Goldberg was not a huge PPV draw. He's nowhere near Hogan, Austin, Rock or even Cena level.

>>2793242
>goldberg

Name some times Goldberg drew a ppv buyrate without the rock dummy.

>>2793271
>>2793281
That's sort of my thinking. Is there any match on a Royal Rumble card that didn't feature Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena that was bigger draw than Royal Rumble itself?

Maybe Steiner's 2003 debut match? I can't think of one.

>>2793299

Shawn vs Sid 1997

>>2793296
Goldberg vs. The Rock at Backlash 2003 = 345,000 buys

Kevin Nash vs. Triple H at Bad Blood 2003 = 385,000 buys

>>2793301
HBK vs. Sid at Survivor Series 1996 (also featuring Bret Hart's return match from long absence) did 150,000 buys.

>>2793294
Ok but don't count Starrcade, who was the bigger draw?

>>2793289
hurr hurrr someone post something interesting for once, it must be a troll, just because its Kevin Nash, i bet youre really confy waiting for ROH tonight

>>2793313
And i mean by that, the buys from top 3 PPVs from each Nash and Golberg except Starrcade '98

>>2793289
Numbers are legit actually. Not a troll thread.

Numbers come from the SEC filings that WWE would file with the Securities & Exchange Commission.

>>2792402
>starrcade not excluded but mania is

>>2793319
Question: Dave Meltzer said in his Newsletter after Souled Out 1998 that Kevin Nash vs. Giant was the most promoted match of Souled Out 1998. Luger vs. Savage closed the show. Bret Hart (first WCW match) vs. Flair was also on card. In your opinion was Nash vs. Giant (originally supposed to semi-main Starrcde 97) the main draw of show?

Should Nash's tag team matches with Scott Hall that main evented PPV's also count?

>>2792453
Based fucking Nash.

>>2793338
Starrcade was never on Wrestlemania's level. Does Dave Meltzer need to tweet it for you to believe it?

You just expose your lack of knowledge when you think Starrcade = equal WM. Do you listen o Tony Schiavone podcast? bc he says same thing I do. PPV's were secondary to WCW during MNW. Nitro was priority. Have you seen the Starrcade buyrates/buys?

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>>2793313
>something interesting for once
>fucking PPV buyrates in a wrestling discussion is both a fresh and unheard of topic
The fucking state of (You). This shit has been done to death for decades and serves no purpose other than for shitposting fuel.

>>2793355
wrestlemania itself wasn't shit until X7 you stupid fucking mark hence why the buyrates fluctuated wildly. It was their biggest show and starrcade was always WCW's biggest show. Counting starrcade after the war between companies started by not WM is retarded. Also, counting popping a buyrate against fucking Goldberg but not counting drawing numbers against Cena (whose own ppv buyrates fluctuated wildly and weren't close to the levels of other draws) is retarded.

Bork Lazer in UFC sold multiple times more than 1 million ppvs.

Kevin Nashetty BTFO

>>2793362
WM was made special at WM 14

look at the buyrate for WM 16, it was a terrible card and main event but it still did great

>>2793338
>>2793355
Wrestlemania beat Starrcade in the buyrates every year (except 1997) by a pretty long way. Wrestlemania is the one event that the wrestling world stops for and is and always has been the pinnacle of the wrestling/sports entertainment year, Starrcade just seemed like another PPV. WWE did their job to make WrestleMania the grandaddy of them all. WCW didn't.

>>2793362
>wrestlemania itself wasn't shit until X7
Just shut the fuck up.

>>2793372
>WM 1998
Mike Tyson

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>>2793363
Magic Mike starring Kevin Nash grossed 167.2 million from $7 million budget.

Magic Mike XXL starring Kevin Nash grossed 122.5 million from $14.8 million budget.

Brock Lesnar BTFO By Kevin Nash 4 Life

>>2793378
>he calls XIV "WM 1998"
28+ kid

Was Sid a bigger draw than Nash?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl063TGydXw

>>2793394
>Sid
200,000 buys (Halloween Havoc 1990)
190,000 buys (In Your House I)
170,000 buys (In Your House II)
Total = 560,000 buys

Sid is a lower PPV draw than Kevin Nash

How is Mick Foley?

Hay OP, im still waiting for those ppv buyrate of Goldberg and Nash not counting Starrcade

>>2793408
>Mick Foley
480,000 buys (No Way Out 2000)
120,000 buys (IYH X: Mind Games)
100,000 buys (IYH XI: Buried Alive)
Total = 700,000 buys

Foley is not a bigger PPV draw than Big Kev

>>2793414
You want it so bad, you do it.

Wow I guess Nash truly is one of the GOAT draws

Its funny guys like Flair who people consider a huge name get BTFO

>>2793418
Ok ill bote with the info you postes:

Nash total buyrate numbers without Starrcade : 590,000 Buys
Goldberg total buyrate numbers withour Starrcade: 678,000 buys

Goldberg confirmes bigger draw than Nash.
People paid Starrcade 98 to see Goldberg, not Nash.

Nash is not bigger draw than half the people you said It was

>>2793437
Bite, posted, without, confirmed**

>>2793437
Since your changing my rules. I'm altering my rules. Despite Luger vs. Savage closing the show & Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair also being on the card, Dave Meltzer said in his newsletter that Nash vs. Giant was the most promoted match of Souled Out 1998 (originally supposed to semi-main of Starrcde 1997). So since Souled Out 1998 didn't have a definitive main event I'm warding it by default to Kevin Nash. The new totals is as follows...

>Kevin Nash
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
385,000 buys (Bad Blood 2003)
300,000 buys (Souled Out 1998)
Total = 1,135,000 buys

>Goldberg
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
398,000 buys (Survivor Series 2003)
280,000 buys (Unforgiven 2003)
Total = 1,128,000 buys

Kevin Nash is now CONFIRMED bigger PPV draw than Goldberg. This is officially official.

>>2793467
Lol you still counting Starrcade 98, afraid to show real numbers i see, too bad Big Sexy cant help you with your thread

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>>2793467
Based MEGA draw Nash

How about the Big Show?

What about Booker T?

>>2793491
>Big Show
315,000 buys (Judgment Day 2003)
239,000 buys (No Way Out 2005)
184,000 buys (Survivor Series 2013)
Total = 738,000 buys

>>2793493
338,000 buys (Survivor Series 2006)
232,000 buys (Great American Bash 2006)
70,000 buys (New Blood Rising 2000)
Total = 640,000 buys

Big Show and Booker T both lower PPV draws than Kevin Nash

>>2793502
>>2793493
>>2793491
>>2793483
Samefag detected

>>2793504
Nope.

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>>2792395

>>2793535

>John Bradshaw Layfield
279,000 buys (Great American Bash 2005)
252,000 buys (Judgment Day 2006)
239,000 buys (No Way Out 2005)
Total = 770,000 buys

Boreman Lames

>>2792395
Starcade shouldnt count

>>2792395
>Include WCW Starrcade (over as fuck)
>Don't include WM

Lol?

Remove Starrcade 1998 (Goldberg carried him, anyway) and you'll soon see how average Nash is

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>WolfcuckTV actually browses /asp/

>>2793325
I meant troll in the sense that people are getting worked, not that you were just saying bullshit to get people mad.

>>2792453
Royal Rumble 2013 did 498,000, Summerslam 2011 did 296,000, and Elimination Chamber 2013 did 213,000, making Punk's total 1,007,000. Not more than Nash but you're retarded.

>>2793834

Cant you read?
Royal rumbles dont count
Matches against Rock font count

>>2793845
That's gay and a cop out. You're talking about PPVs main evented.

>>2793594
Yes, it should. Already addressed this multiple times.

>>2793112
>Again savage only drew big with Hogan.
Yes, but we're not talking about "we can't tell the drawing power of the opponent because Hogan was so over so he gets all the credit."

WE CLEARLY SEE how much of a big draw prime Savage was by the Wrestlemania V numbers in comparison to everyone else who ever wrestled Hogan at Wrestlemania, including Warrior.

It'd be fairer just to give Savage 30% of the buyrate for V, than to exclude it altogether.

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>>2793437
>Goldberg confirmes bigger draw than Nash.
Bullshit. Half the WCW fans hated Goldberg. All of them loved Nash. The numbers don't lie because the nWo kept drawing and Goldberg never drew shekels again until he road more coattails in WWE.

The fans chose Nash over Berg
When Goldberg was his hottest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu1VBP4kVGY

DDP?

>>2793594
>>2793612

Starrcade was never on Wrestlemania's level. With the exception of 1997 & 2003, WrestleMania has always been WWE's best perfoming PPV of the year usually by significant amount of buys..

With the exception of 1997, Starracde drew as much as any other PPV
>Starrcade 1988 drew 150,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 215,000 buys
>Starrcade 1989 drew 150,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 215,000 buys
>Starrcade 1990 drew 175,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 200,000 buys
>Starrcade 1991 drew 100,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 100,000 buys
>Starrcade 1992 drew 100,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 120,000 buys
>Starrcade 1994 drew 140,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 225,000 buys
>Starrcade 1995 drew 95,000 buys and was LOWEST bought out of nine WCW PPV's that.
>Starrcade 1996 drew 240,000 buys. Three months later Uncensored 1997 drew 250,000 buys
>Starrcade 1998 drew 450,000 buys. Two months later SuperBrawl 1999 drew 450,000 buys
>Starrcade 1999 drew 120,000 buys. One month earlier Mayhem 1999 drew 165,000 buys.
>Starrcade 1999 drew 50,000 buys. One month earlier Mayhem 1999 drew 60,00 buys.

So anybody who claims Starrcade 1998 should not be included is a moron.

Also anybody who says Goldberg is the reason Starracde 1998 drew is also a moron. Discounting WrestleMania XX (which drew on brand name & multiple main event matches) Starrcade 1998 is the only time he drew over 400,000 buys main eventing a PPV. If Kevin Nash ahd nothing to with it, why could Goldberg only 270,000 buys at Halloween Havoc 1998 vs. DDP + Souled Out 1999 vs. Scott Hall?

If Kevin Nash had nothing to do with Starrcade 1998, Goldberg (like Hogan, Austin, Rock) would have to have track record of drawing over 400,000 PPV buys with multiple opponents & he doesn't.

>>2793848
Finding out who which performers have the best preforming PPV's in terms of buys when super draws Hogan, Austin, Rock, & long term draw Cena are a non-factors is not gay in the slightest nor is it a cop out.

If you think it is, you're an idiot.

>>2793974
>Diamond Dallas Page
270,000 buys (Halloween Havoc 1998)
215,000 buys (World War 3 1998)
170,000 buys (Slamboree 1999)
Total = 655,000 buys

Made mistake here

>>2792503

>Bret Hart
250,000 buys (Survivor Series 1997)
235,000 buys (SummerSlam 1997)
215,000 buys (World War 3 1998)
Total = 700,000 buys

>>2792636

Wrestlemania doesn't count but starrcade does? Come on

But in any case give me the stats for Kurt angle

>>2793991
It's a cop out because your OP states "PPVs main evented". I'm not reading 200+ posts to see how you move the goal posts after the fact. To even be in the main event with top stars like Cena and Rock means you have to be doing something significant and therefore you should be apart of the equation. They aren't handing those spots out to guys like Ziggler and Big Cass.

>>2794014
Let me repeat myself since you morons still can't comprehend it.

Starrcade was never on Wrestlemania's level. With the exception of 1997 & 2003, WrestleMania has always been WWE's best performing PPV of the year usually by significant amount of buys.

With the exception of 1997, Starracde drew as much as any other PPV
>Starrcade 1988 drew 150,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 215,000 buys
>Starrcade 1989 drew 150,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 215,000 buys
>Starrcade 1990 drew 175,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 200,000 buys
>Starrcade 1991 drew 100,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 100,000 buys
>Starrcade 1992 drew 100,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 120,000 buys
>Starrcade 1994 drew 140,000 buys. Two months earlier Halloween Havoc drew 225,000 buys
>Starrcade 1995 drew 95,000 buys and was LOWEST bought out of nine WCW PPV's that year.
>Starrcade 1996 drew 240,000 buys. Three months later Uncensored 1997 drew 250,000 buys
>Starrcade 1998 drew 450,000 buys. Two months later SuperBrawl 1999 drew 450,000 buys
>Starrcade 1999 drew 120,000 buys. One month earlier Mayhem 1999 drew 165,000 buys.
>Starrcade 2000 drew 50,000 buys. One month earlier Mayhem 2000 drew 60,00 buys.

Wrestlemania has always beem the one event that the wrestling world stops for and is and always has been the pinnacle of the wrestling/sports entertainment year, Starrcade just seemed like another PPV. WWE did their job to make WrestleMania the grandaddy of them all. WCW didn't.

So explain to me your logic in why Starrcade should not be included.

>>2794019
It's not a cop out. It's perfectly fair analysis to see who has best drawing PPV;s when Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena are non-factors.

I don't give shit what you do.

Let me try to get this through your thick skull.

>notice the trend
Hogan draws big with anybody.
Austin draws big with anybody.
Rock draws big with anybody.

>notice the trend
Undertaker doesn't draw big with anybody.
HHH doesn't draw big with anybody.
Goldberg doesn't draw big with anybody.

>notice the trend
Savage only draws big with Hogan.
Flair only draws big with Hogan.
Sting only draws big with Hogan.

Comprehend?

So go fuck yourself you little butthurt CM Punk mark.

>>2793991

It's unfair to guys like Brock and angle as well.

They were cheered over Rock and Austin in their title wins over them. To think they were not part of the draw is ridiculous.

Also Nashs biggest drawing PPV included Goldberg on the card.

>>2794031
It's a cop out by definition because you had to throw in an asterisk to change your own rules, retard.

>>2793388

>Thinking Nash was the draw of magic mike.

Bitch there several others in the cast who outdraw Nashetty. He is literally a nobody to the movie going audience.

It's like thinking Cena was the Draw in trainwreck.

>>2794042

The draws were Channing Tatum,Joe, Donald glover and the quality of the movie. Nash was a non factor.

>>2794035
It's perfectly fair. If you want to attribute Brock & Angle's PPV numbers to them instead of Austin & Rock, they'd have a track record of drawing big PPV numbers with people outside of Austin & Rock.

Brock does well as a draw but for my analysis I choose to make Hogan, Austin, Rock, & Cena non-factors to see other performers true drawing power. So stop crying about it like a bitch. If you so fucking bothered about it, do your own fucking study.

Copy & Paste...again

Anybody who claims Goldberg is the reason Starracde 1998 drew is a moron. Discounting WrestleMania XX (which drew bc of the brand name & multiple main event matches), Starrcade 1998 is the ONLY time Goldberg drew over 400,000 buys main eventing a PPV. If Kevin Nash had nothing to with it, why could Goldberg only draw 270,000 buys at Halloween Havoc 1998 vs. DDP + Souled Out 1999 vs. Scott Hall?

If Kevin Nash had nothing to do with Starrcade 1998, than Goldberg (like Hogan, Austin, Rock) would have to have track record of drawing over 400,000 PPV buys with multiple opponents & he doesn't.

So yeah Goldberg is on the card of Nash's best performing PPV and your point is?

Do I really need to embarrasses you by comparing Goldberg's numbers to Hogan, Austin, Rock? way things are going even then you people will probably be to stupid to understand it.

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>>2794042
>>2794044
>Imagine being this worked

>>2794045

It's unfair because Nash wasn't even considered worthy enough to main event with guys like Rock and Austin.

>>2794046

Stay seething mark

>>2794049
Nash has main evented against Bret Hart, Flair, Piper, Goldberg, Savage, Hogan, Triple H to name a few but he wasn't considred worthy enough to main event with Rock & Austin? KEK

Nash returned to WWE in Feb 2002 & got injured early April 2002 If I recall correctly. In that time he wrestled against Rock & Austin in main event matches on RAW & SmackDown (probably house shows also. The original Backlash 2002 main event was supposed to be Nash, Hall, X-Pac vs. Hogan, Rock, Austin.

When Nash returned from injury in April 2003, Austin was retired & Rock was basically a few weeks away from leaving wrestling for 8 years.
Not like Nash had more of an opportunity to work with them.

Brain cells. Get some. Some how.

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>>2794064

>>2794019
>They aren't handing those spots out to guys like Ziggler and Big Cass.
>R-Truth main evented a PPV with Cena
>Del Rio main evented a PPV with Cena
>Miz main evented fucking Wrestlemania with Cena
>etc.

>>2794046
>literally the only person on the POSTER of the movie
>h-he um he wasn't th-the main draw

>>2794078
That's not the actual poster of the movie dood it's just one of the shitty character poster series that they do with all movies now. There's a matching poster with Channing Tatum on it, Joe Mangianello, etc.

>>2794078

>Literally one of the many posters for the movie. Even some of the no names got their individual posters.
>N-Nash is the draw.

>>2794072

>implying the mix doesn't draw dimes

>>2794067

>Bad blood 2003 also has triple H and Goldberg

>B-but Nash is the draw for the PPVs

Remind me why Nash's two biggest PPVs have Goldberg in them and one of them has both Triple H and Goldberg.

I mean discounted Brock , Angle and several others matches with Rock, Angle and Cena because they weren't the draws there.

So what makes you think people were there to see Nash but not Triple H and Golderberg.

I mean as per calculations the game is a bigger draw even bigger than Lesnar.

>>2794136
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>2794156

In Bad blood 2003 Triple H and Goldberg were the draws. Not Nash.

OP this is the best thread I've seen in weeks.

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>HHH beats Lesnar, SCSA, even based Nash in ratings

Is he GOAT?

>>2794392
Best in the biz desu senpai

>>2793228
Ufc 100

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>>2792395
>OP regularly discredits other PPVs for having other stars on the card but thinks Nash was the main draw for Bad Blood 2003

>>2794500

Yep and he has conveniently disappeared after that was pointed out.

Triple H and Goldberg were the draws in badblood 2003 not chicken legs Nash.

>>2792476
Neither are you OP.

>>2792586
Brotista

>>2792649
Absolutely no idea.. Really shucks my jive

>>2794672

It was a travesty how he was treated both by the company and fans when he returned.( Trip cuck actually sniggered at the thought of Guardians of the galaxy being a success).

Now Dave is chilling in top tier kino like Blade Runner 2049. It seems like the nicer guys like Dwayne and Batista are having more success in Hollywood

>>2792818
Why couldn't you be working for WWE back then? You would have saved us anon.

>>2792912
Top draw is the term you hear used the most by people who know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>2793020
Shawnetty BTFO

>>2794691
This is /asp

and you're annoyed bc I say "super draw" KEK

get a life loser

>>2793388
I bet you think he was the star of The Punisher too you fucking pathetic Nashfag

>>2793467
Be more butthurt lol you can't make Nash a draw without skewing the metrics.

>>2793509
Prove it nigger

>>2793903
>all of them loved nash

Next level projecting right here

>>2794045
>If Kevin Nash had nothing to with it, why could Goldberg only draw 270,000 buys at Halloween Havoc 1998 vs. DDP + Souled Out 1999 vs. Scott Hall?
If you're that buttblasted about Goldberg being more of a draw than Big Kev, take Starrcade out of the equation and see who drew more on their top 3 minus Starrcade

>>2794686
I met BASED Dave at an autograph signing for Guardians 1 in LA. Dude, he is so fucking chill in person. I've met other wrestlers before too, and they always seem like they'd rather be amywhere else. Batista actually made me me feel like he was glad I showed up. I marked out badly I almost left my autograph and he actually got up and handed it to me personally. I dont give a fuck what anyone says, BASED Dave is a cool guy.

>>2794704
I'm not annoyed dude. You asked and I provided and answer. I'm not even the guy you originally asked. Why are you so sensitive man?

>>2794147

Remind you why Nash's two biggest PPV's had Goldberg in them
>Nash headlined Starrcade 98 against Goldberg
>Nash headlined Bad Blood 03 against HHH.Goldberg vs. Y2J on undercard

Outside WM, Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena drew MANY PPV's over 400,000 buys.

Outside WM, Goldberg drew ONE PPV over 400,000 buys & it was against Nash therefore the attraction was his match with Nash.

Outside WM, in his entire career HHH drew only TWO PPV's over 400,000 buys. His top 3 performing PPV's were ALL HIAC matches.

Stop pretending Goldberg was big draw on PPV therefore Starrcade 98 shouldn't be included in Nash's total.

Bad Blood 03 buyrate shocked WWE management & insiders at time, bc people thought Nash was done as draw. WWE prolong feud bc they wanted to save HHH/Goldberg feud for SummerSlam. HIAC match helped buyrate not HHH or Goldberg.

If you want to get technical...

>Goldberg
450,000 buys (Starrcade 98)
*398,000 buys (Survivor Series 03)
280,000 buys (Unforgiven 03)
Total = 1,128,000 buys
*show had multiple matches that drew; Team Austin vs. Team Bischoff, Team Angle vs. Team Lesnar, Taker vs. Vince

>Undertaker
*477,000 buys (SummerSlam 08)
341,000 buys (Survivor Series 07)
**305,000 buys (Judgment Day 98)
Total = 1,123,000 buys
*Cena vs. Batista also on card
** big selling point was Austin as referee

>Savage
280,000 buys (SummerSlam 1992)
*250,000 buys (Spring Stampede 1998)
**165,000 buys (GAB 1997)
Total = 695,000 buys
*could argue real main event was Hogan/Nash vs. Giant/Piper
**could argue real main event was Flair/Piper vs. Hall/Nash

>DDP
*270,000 buys (Halloween Havoc 98)
**215,000 buys (World War 3 98)
170,000 buys (Slamboree 99)
Total = 655,000 buys
*could argue real main event was Hogan vs. Warrior
**concept the draw? (Nash was fav to win)

>Punk
*369,000 buys (SummerSlam 09)
**267,000 buys (NOC 09)
207,000 buys (HIAC 12)
Total = 843,000 buys
*could argue real main event was Cena vs. Orton
**could argue real main event was Cena vs. Orton vs. HHH

>>2794198
>>2794659
No. Babyface Kevin Nash seeking revenge against heel Triple H, Mick Foley as geust referee, & HIAC match concept was the draw.

You guys are so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. If it was HHH and Goldberg who drew 385,000 buys at Bad Blood than how come they only managed 280,000 buys a few months later at Unforgiven?

If Goldberg and HHH had track record of drawing 350,000 buys on regular basis your argument would have merit but THEY DO NOT.

>>2794392

he doesnt beat SCSA

>>2794147

So you take issue with my calculations bc HHH comes off as bigger PPV draw than Lesnar so you want me to include their matches against Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena? ok...

>Triple H
625,000 buys (Backlash 2000)
480,000 buys (No Way Out 2000)
420,000 buys (Judgment Day 2000)
Total = 1,525,000 buys

>Brock Lesnar
516,000 buys (SummerSlam 2002)
*392,000 buys (SummerSlam 2012)
*332,00 buys (SummerSlam 2013)
Total = 1,240,000 buys
*He didn't close show but safe to say any card he's appeared on since his 2012 return he was the main draw given that's he's the special attraction.

>>2794704
>made this thread
>calls someone else a loser

THE POT SAID WHAT TO THE KETTLE?

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>>2794315

>>2794828

I don't have an issue with Triple H coming off as a bigger draw by your criteria actually considering the length of their careers and the eras that they were in.

I was just using it at as a means to say that Trips was the draw during bad blood.

>>2794736

Dave is always feels genuine. He is one of the guys I am that he has found more success outside WWE and hopefully he makes trips and steph Seethe

>>2794838
Triple H wasn't the main draw. Goldberg wasn't the main draw. Kevin Nash wasn't the main draw. The main draw was the HIAC match concept was the main draw.

Before WWE bastardised the HIAC match concept, HIAC was a HUGE DRAW. Are you to young to know that or something?

If you actually studied the numbers like I have you'd know this but you haven't.

>>2794845

> Triple H
480,000 buys (No Way Out 2000) HELL IN A CELL
429,000 buys (Vengeance 2005) HELL IN A CELL
385,000 buys (Bad Blood 2003) HELL IN A CELL
Total = 1,294,000 buys

>The Undertaker
477,000 buys (SummerSlam 2008) HELL IN A CELL
341,000 buys (Survivor Series 2007) HELL IN A CELL
305,000 buys (Judgment Day 1998)
Total = 1,123,000 buys

Note: Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar (No Mercy 2002) drew 300,000 buys. Why? HELL IN A CELL

>Batista
429,000 buys (Vengeance 2005) HELL IN A CELL
341,000 buys (Survivor Series 2007) HELL IN A CELL
338,000 buys (Survivor Series 2006)
Total = 1,108,000 buys

So pathetic seeing all you pseudo experts trying to discredit Nash by saying it was Goldberg/HHH who drew Bad Blood 03 buyrate when there is no track record/trend/evidence to suggest it. HELL IN A CELL helped the buyrate but make no mistake about it Nash also played a role in drawing that buyrate.

>>2794821

This just reminded me about something , wasn't Austin in the undercard in Bad blood 2003?

If that's the case the Nashetty and trip cuck were not the ones who were the draws

>>2794808
>Outside WM, Goldberg drew ONE PPV over 400,000 buys & it was against Nash therefore the attraction was his match with Nash.
You could this same logic to argue Goldberg was the attraction.
>Stop pretending Goldberg was big draw on PPV therefore Starrcade 98 shouldn't be included in Nash's total.
Again, your logic means it should be included in Goldberg's total as well.

Fuck your mental gymnastics, wolfcuck.

>>2794852

So desperate to make Nash look like a draw. Overall HHH and Goldberg have drawn more buys

>>2794854
Austin was on the card, he didn't have a match but the attraction was he was going to humiliate Eric Bischoffetty. Therefore, it shouldn't count for Nash because a bigger star was on the card that night.

>>2794856

Also the entire argument hinges on the fact that many of the guys draws with big stars like Rock and Austin shouldn't be included because Nash was never considered credible enough to be in a serious fued with them.

>>2794859

Austin could be there for farting on the mic and could still be a bigger star than Nash on any given night.

>>2794867

KEK

>>2794854
>>2794854
Austin was on the show in non wrestling capacity. WrestleMania 19 with Austin vs. Rock III drew miserable 560,000 buys.

Funny how you seething Nash haters only want to scrutinise Starrcade 1998 & Bad Blood 2003 bc you're butthurt Nash is a big money draw.

Yet you ignore every other card so much so I had to start scrutinising them myself. See:

>>2794808
and
>>2794852
Every system has flaws. I poke holes through Dave Meltzer's work all the time.

>>2794873
>Nash haters
don't have anything against Nash, just you

>>2794856
Nash vs. Goldberg match was attraction. Nobody paid to see Goldberg wrestle a nobody. Nash was at peak of his popularity and legit threat to Goldberg's streak.

Again as I've said a million times which your morons can't see to grasp. If Goldberg drew that Starrcade 1998 buyrate alone, he would have draw that type of buyrate on more than one occasion against many different opponents likes Hogan, Austin, & Rock but he NEVER DID.

I did include Starrcade 1998 in Goldberg's total.

>Goldberg
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)
398,000 buys (Survivor Series 2003)
280,000 buys (Unforgiven 2003)
Total = 1,128,000 buys

So WTF are you talking about you moron?

>>2794843
Same here bro. His future endeavors are looking a lot brighter than the E's

>>2794873
>miserable 560,000 buys in a declining era.
>Bigger than anything Nash has ever done.

Really activates the almonds.

I guess Nash being the big draw is the reason Hall and Hogan went up against the big two of the WWE when the NWO debuted

>>2794858
>>2794858
>I'm so desperate to make Nash look like a big draw & overall HHH & Goldberg drew bigger

No shit, overall HHH & Goldberg drew bigger, I'm the guy who did the calculations to prove they were bigger than Nash. So that debunks your claim I try to make Nash look like big draw. I just showed what the numbers said. You just can't handle the facts.

>>2794887
WrestleMania 19
>Angle vs. Lesnar
>Rock vs. Austin
>Hogan vs. McMahon

Of course a show with the 3 super draws on same card and at WrestleMania to boot outdrew anything Nash ever did.

Your argument is retarded.

I mentioned WM 19 buys in regards to Austin to prove his drawing power was waning in 2003 to debunk notion Austin played significant role in drawing Bad Blood 2003 buyrate where he appeared in non wrestling capacity.

Engage that little pea brain of yours next time before deciding to make another comment.

>>2794890

Curious about one thing OP. Do you have the top 3 biggest buyrates for Austin, Rock, Brock, Batista, Hogan, Bret, Angle, Cena disregarding all your rules.

Asking for a special purpose ( that is laughing at Punk marks when they try to shoehorn him into a discussion about greats)

>>2794887
On Konnan's podcast this week. He & disco laughed at how Kevin Nash in WCW would get his singles matches changed to tag team matches so he could take less bumps and not works as hard. Very smart. Got paid the same regardless. Nash isn't a mark.

WWF chose Hall vs. Austin over Nash vs. Austin bc they thought Hall would have better match as he's better worker and if Hall screwed up before match, Nash could easily take his place.

Nash is a 7ft attraction. Try learning what that means in the business.

>>2794905
Yes, but I'm off to gym now. So I'll try doing it later.

>>2793268
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_HaD8bS46s

>>2793268
>WCW president says he was responsible for ending Goldberg's streak
isn't relievable

Head booker Kevin Sullivan and Kevin Nash also says it was Bischoff decision.

>>2794023
lol at ppl wanting you not to include starrcade

>>2794828

TBQH I am actually impressed that Lesner is doing 300k+ in a shit era like that with anti-draws barring Cena.

I think he could have been even bigger if he stayed but then again his UFC run made him a mega star too

>>2792395
I love Kevin Nash

>>2794960
If we believe Bischoff, Hogan wasn't responsable for Starrcade 97.

>>2794905
>Hulk Hogan (PPV still in infancy during Hogan prime)
767,000 buys + 175,000 cc = 942,000 (vs. Savage, WrestleMania V)
400,000 buys + 441,000 cc = 841,000 (vs. Andre, WrestleMania III)
485,000 buys + 175,000 cc = 660,000 (vs. Andre, WrestleMania IV)

>Steve Austin
1,040,000 buys (vs. Rock, WrestleMania X7)
865,000 buys (vs. Rock, WrestleMania XV)
*730,000 buys (vs. HBK, WrestleMania XIV)

*also featured Mike Tyson

>The Rock
*1,219,000 buys (vs. Cena, WrestleMania 28)
**1,104,000 buys (vs. Cena WrestleMania 29)
1,040,000 buys (vs. Austin WrestleMania X7)

*also featured HHH vs. Lesnar + Undertaker vs. Punk
**also featured HHH vs. Undertaker (HIAC) w/ HBK as referee

>John Cena
*1,250,000 buys (vs. HBK, WrestleMania 23)
**1,219,000 buys (vs. Cena, WrestleMania 28)
***1,124,000 buys (vs. Miz, WrestleMania XXVII)

*also Trump's hair vs. Vince's hair + Batista vs. Undertaker
**also featured HHH vs. Lesnar + Undertaker vs. Punk
***also featured Rock as host + HHH vs. Undertaker

>>2794852
Hell In a Cell used to be an automatic draw. The gimmick was over as fuck.

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>>2792395
the fate of Goldberg's streak literally drew the buyrate to starrcade 98

excluding top draw matches is stupid. would make more sense to include them, and specifically compare Nash's main events with top draws vs other wrestler's main events with top draws.

not saying Nash doesn't have decent drawing power, but come on dude. seriously setting up hoops to jump through for this shit lol

>>2795613

I am pretty Punk vs Undertaker was the draw at wrestlemania

>>2792636
is donald trump the greatest draw of all time?

>>2796888
You're delusional

>>2797741
Probably

>>2796364
If the fate of Goldberg's streak drew Starrcade 1998 buyrate then why didn't fate of Goldberg's streak do the same for Halloween Havoc 1998 buyrate? Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

Making this industries top 4 draws non factors to see true drawing power of other talents is not stupid.

You're the idiot for taking issue with it.

What about Vince?

>>2797914
Dude, DDP is not a draw in any form and no one felt he could be the guy to end the streak. Seriously. DDP. Goldberg.

>Making this industries top 4 draws non factors to see true drawing power of other talents
>this being the case or making any kind of fucking sense at all

This is essentially saying anyone who is not a Hogan level draw will just be an arbitrary catalyst and the buyrate will entirely reflect on the main wrestler in question, which is not true. Comparing a Nash vs Goldberg main event and a Brock vs Punk(non-draw) midcard with Daniel Bryan(non-draw) in the main event is just fucking ridiculously stupid and you know it. It's entirely arbitrary.

>>2798283

You just proved my point. People paid to see Kevin Nash end the streak. People didn't pay to see DDP end the streak.

To claim DDP wasn't a draw in any form or fashion is straight up fucking bullshit. Who are you trying to fool with this nonsense? just bc he wasn't an elite draw doesn't mean he wasn't a draw full-stop. DDP was over and could draw respectable numbers in 1998.

Also to assert nobody felt DDP could be the guy to end the streak, like you know this for a fact is straight up retarded. Safe bet there was tonnes of casual fans in that era who probably thought DDP had a shot at winning.

Reality is Nash vs. Goldberg was a bigger money match than DDP vs. Goldberg.

You can't say Goldberg is fully responsible for drawing Starrcade buyrate and then make excuses for his Halloween Havoc buyrate. Halloween Havoc also had much stronger card than Starrcade.

Your attempt to discredit Nash's role in drawing Starrcade buyrate is pathetic & illogical.

As I've said before If Kevin Nash had nothing to do with Starrcade 1998 buyrate, than Goldberg (like Hogan, Austin, Rock) would have to have track record of drawing over 400,000 PPV buys with multiple opponents & he doesn't.

Goldberg drew one headlined only one show over 400,00 buys in his career & it was against Kevin Nash.

Hogan, Austin, Rock drew over 400,000 buys multiple times with many opponents. Goldberg was not a big draw on PPV.

>>2798342
>DDP
>a draw
[stacked card slamboree 99 buyrate intensifies]

I said nothing about discrediting Nash. He's a giant. If anyone was going to stop the Goldberg train, it could only make sense for it to be Nash, Hogan, or the even the Giant himself, not fucking DDP for fuck's sake.

>>2798373
Non-WrestleMania PPV's over 400,000 buys: Goldberg vs. Hogan vs. Austin vs. Rock

>Goldberg
450,000 buys (Starrcade 1998)

>Hogan
650,000 buys (Starrcade 1997)
634,000 buys (SummerSlam 2005)
625,000 buys (SummerSlam 1989)
575,000 buys (No Way Out 2002)
525,000 buys (Bash at the Beach 1998)
507,000 buys (SummerSlam 1990)
500,000 buys (SummerSlam 1988)
450,000 buys (SuperBrawl 1999)
450,000 buys (No Way Out 2003)
440,000 buys (Royal Rumble 1991)
400,000 buys (Backlash 2002)
405,000 buys (SummerSlam 1991)
400,000 buys (Survivor Series 1990)

>Austin
655,000 buys (SummerSlam 1998)
600,000 buys (SummerSlam 1999)
605,000 buys (Unoforgiven 2000)
575,000 buys (No Way Out 2002)
550,000 buys (No Mercy 2000)
465,000 buys (Armageddon 2000)
450,000 buys (Valentine Day Massacre 1999)
450,000 buys (No Way Out 2003)
445,000 buys (King of The Ring 2001)
440,000 buys (King of The Ring 1999)
425,000 buys (Survivor Series 1999)
405,000 buys (Judgment Day 2001)
400,000 buys (Backlash 1999)
400,000 buys (Over The Edge 1999)
400,000 buys (Survivor Series 1999)

>Rock
625,000 buys (Backlash 2000)
605,000 buys (Unforgiven 2000)
590,000 buys (No Way Out 2001)
579,000 buys (Royal Rumble 2013)
570,000 buys (Summerslam 2000)
565,000 buys (Summerslam 2001)
550,000 buys (No Mercy 2000)
516,000 buys (SummerSlam 2002)
475,000 buys (King of the Ring 2000)
465,000 buys (Armageddon 2000)
450,000 buys (No Way Out 2003)
425,000 buys (Survivor Series 1999)
420,000 buys (Judgment Day 2000)
400,000 buys (Backlash 1999)

Conclusion: Starrcade 1998 drew because of the attraction/appeal/star power of BOTH Kevin Nash and Goldberg.

>>2798406
KEK at people trying to attribute Starrcade 1998 buyrate to Goldberg and Goldberg alone. The only great buyrate he ever drew was with Kevin Nash!

Stone Cold, Rocky and Hulkster could draw big buys with many talent! Cheers for setting record straight brother. You're stating the facts! Everybody else just has bs opinions!

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>HHH is the biggest draw after austin and the rock

SMARKS SEETHING

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>>2798724
>HHH is the biggest draw after austin and the rock
>after Austin and The Rock
HHH SEETHING

Holy shit this board should be just deleted. Fat fucks, including myself arguing about who drew more 30 years ago.

This is the exact reason why world is shit, you guys are like jews, cant let go of something that happened way back when. Kill yourselves or atleast do something productive like eat dog shit for lunch or something

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>>2798747
NJPW weeb seething