When did you give up thinking that WWE could ever become great again?

They still can, but the only thing to make it happen would be them getting knocked on their asses.

They need some competition badly

all would be solved if they made the show tv 14, allow bleeding and cursing, give the women more skimpy outfits and make the show le edgier
>yfw russo was right

>>2659952
Wrestlemania 30

>>2660034
Unironically this, however that would likely cause a large portion of their sponsors to flee

>>2659952
About a year after they bought WCW and monumentally fucked up the Invasion.

>Hey, here's a storyline that could potentially run for a couple of years
>oh no, let's do the worst thing possible qnd turn it into another McMahon family drama and kill it within 6 months.

>>2659952
Not really. They already has skimpy outfits, but they are not presented in sexual way, they are performers at the same level as men (whether it is correct or not), not eye-candy.
Bleeding is thing that would probably be okay, but Vince doesn't want to.
Cursing is also a thing Vince doesn't want to.

WWE gets the most money out of TV fees, they are afraid of screwing things up before negotiations.

>>2659952
When JBL was champion

>>2660034
WWE is already struggling for sponsors and people won't tune in to a TV show for tits and ass when porn is widely available for free on the internet, what the fuck are you doing? That era is never coming back, move on.

making russo head writer wont help you aitistoc nostalgic manlet

>>2660852
Except that he would actually write compelling television

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>>2659952
when the characterless anti dime midgets took over like 10? years ago.

>>2659952
When they give up on PG era
Reality era is fake PG
Letting go of PG Ryback was a bad idea
Cm Puke sucks

>>2660851
>move on
move on where?
saturday mornung cartoons?
some warehouse in florida?

>>2660862
No, he would not. He is not a good writer. Not him by himself. He loathes pro-wrestling, he loathes its fans and he thinks people who watch it are thrash. And he is above them all. He knows what they want, because they are mentally retarded and he is a genius who can tell what will sell and will not sell. He thinks he knows everything.

But he is abhorent human being who turned to God after looking himself at mirror and finding something really awful.

>>2660882
Learn how to read. WWE is not supposed to move, you are.

>>2659952
When Roman Reigns won the tournament after Rollins had to vacate the championship.

>>2660885
to what?
cars?, soccer?, baseball?, mma?
sports are a bore.

>>2659952
>game of thrones kills off a likable character
People were butthurt but enjoyed it and accepted it as part of the story telling

>WWE
What? Batista doesn't deserve to win the Royal Rumble. It should be who meltzer or the smark overlord website picked, the man who worked more bingo halls should be the face of the company. My entitlement, my entitlement

WWE for some reason never really has competition. TNA mid 2000 was the closest. Lack of competition has allowed them to churn out dispensable PPVs and unwatchable weekly shows

>>2660890
Another scripted entertainment. There is quite a lot of it.
Or maybe try some smaller wrestling, british wrestling has pretty good production values (PROGRESS and RevPro) and there is no language barrier.
And PROGRESS has good storylines with occasional super match.

When they handed the reins over to triple shit in 2003

>>2659952
John Cena won't the WWE title and turned it into a toy

When they brought back literally every single guy from their golden era and didn't even do anything interesting with most of them.

When Chris Benoit decided to Chris Benoit his family.

On the real though, the world moved on from pro wrestling at least 15 years ago. The Attitude Era was a major success because it was at the right time and right place when the late 90s were all about being "Xtreme!!!!!!!".

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Sasha getting jobber entrance'd and losing to Alica Fox in 3 minutes with a delayed pin on Monday was pretty fucking hard to swallow

That opportunity ended after WCW died, but I didn't realize it till years later.

When Cena, Orton, and Batista were pushed as the future of wrestling. All 3 were shit and would have never been pushed at any other era of wrestling.

Years later the only success was Cena. Orton fucking blows. Batista fizzed out very fast.

Vince lost touch with reality years ago. He may have never been in touch, but had people around him that would say no to him. Those people are long gone and he just has a bunch of yes men so the product we see now is a 100 percent Vince shit.

It won't even have a chance to be better until he dies.

Probably around '05

>>2659952
When Roman won the Rumble, and they completely misjudged the crowd and thought the Rock could save it.

You know you've fucked up and gone down an irreversibly bad path when people are booing The Rock. The man that literally had to be turned face again because he kept getting cheered as a heel. The man who, upon leaving WWE as a heel using a smarmy "I'm too good for WWE!" persona, was cheered.

And the Roman Reigns situation got him fucking BOOED.

>>2660971
>Sasha fag can't swallow

Embarassing

2004

I like this era better than any other, i never liked the WWE as i was kid because it was just a bunch of edgy big guys, and the intersting characters never had their chance. I like it better when it focus on the atletic skills and charisma of the wrestlers other than their looks and gimicks

now is pretty bad considering they had an interesting show with smackdown and decided to ruin it for no real reason

meanwhile raw throws away main event ppv matches on raw with clean finishes that mean absolutely nothing then a few months down the line they try to headline a ppv with it and can't figure out why no one really cares

not to mention giving brock the title but having no storyline to explain why he sits at home every week and wwe are okay with that - it's dixie holding hogan's leg as he walks out of the company teir

i know it's been worse before but i wasn't watching then and I'm only watching now because they keep giving me the network for free

>>2661297
The problem is WWE is not a sport and it's open about that. So with that in mind, what difference does it make how athletic the competition in the ring appears to be?

You have to give a people a reason to tune in and basically offering them nothing but glorified capoeira routines is not going to put asses in seats.

memes aside, why do you all still watch it?

>>2659952 2003

(Pre-text - Im a huge mark for HHH)

Batista getting three clean wins in a row in 2005 kind of pissed me off.)

2006-2010 I didnt watch.

Punk brought my interest back in 2011. Almost wanted to stop watching after he left the company but Jericho was the diamond in the rough since then. Now that Jericho's back on hiatus, I'm clinging on to Nakamura making a major impact after his feud with Ziggles ends.

>>2659952
When CM Brookes got more attention than he deserved.

Which was around the time smarks became louder and shit over everything.

The future of the WWE is Triple H & Steph or even worse Shane and that's no future at all.

WWE was dead when Vince decided his kids would get the company one day.

>>2661411
How would the company be worse if any three of those inherit the company?

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Not one moment but 3.

Wrestlemania 32 was the beginning of the end. Entire show was terrible, waste 7 hours might be the first time ever.

Then I gave them 1 more chance when the brand split was announced. Everything was trash literally after week 1.

final nail was CM Punk losing to Gall. Couldn't justify watching WWE after.

Fuck this gay shit. I haven't watched a full show since

>>2659952
When they turned PG after Benoit.
Things went down the shitter fast and have never recovered
Thankfully they aren't the only company around, but the Stamford Wives who make up this board think otherwise.

>>2661303
>no storyline to explain why he sits at home every week and wwe are okay with that

Naomi gets stripped of her title weeks after winning it
Brock can sit on his roided, lazy ass with a title and not have to defend it until 3 months after he won it.
Really makes you think

>>2661411
I think Shane could save this shit hole, but Gaitch and the cunt are going to turn it into a glorified indy company running in the smallest arenas possible, like WCW was doing before they died

>>2661305
Just because it isn't a competitive sport doesn't mean they aren't athletes

when austin and the rock left

>>2659952
When the Y2K countdown turned out to be Chris Jericho.

>>2661680
I'm not really trying to deny a competitive match doesn't help. What I am saying is russo is basically right, and everyone knows the title is just a prop in a show. There's hardly ever a reason anymore two athletes go at it other than there are employed. That's not good television for a scripted show.

>>2659952
When Ramen Rings got a push the first time.

It can't get back to what it was

Austin
Taker
Rock
HBK
HHH
Mankind/Foley
Angle
Jericho
Benoit
Eddie

All gone or part time and no one will ever replace them. NXT fucking ruins new talent because by the time they come up to the main roster, they are stale as fuck already (Balor) or the marks in the NXT crowd have given them an unwarranted sense of self importance (Joe) which falls flat on the main roster.

Listen to that podcast with Stone cold and Vince Russo, everybody in the attitude era was hungry as fuck and did anything they could to get over and move up the card. These days you have jobbers for life that will never go anywhere because you can't make top dollar anywhere else in the US

>>2660034
This, minus the skimpy outfits. You wanna keep those people who actually like Women's wrestling and buy the gay ass merch. Plus womens wrestlers are already in skimpy outfits to begin with lol.

>>2661775
Taker is easily replaceable and there are several guys on the roster who put out boring matches with the same mildly over routine and can't cut a memorable promo worth a shit.

HHH too

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>>2661812
>Taker is easily replaceable

It still can. It probably will at some point, when Vince is backed against a wall, network subs are dead, and USA is threatening to pull the plug. Then the WWE will be great again, because it will have no choice but to be.

Somewhere after Wrestlemania 31

>>2661816

This company is done man. They have no plans to ever turn Cena or Roman Reigns heel. They have hired and brought back every wrestler under the sun it hasn't worked. They blow every chance they get to get it right

We are talking about a company that had a healthy Undertaker and Debuting Sting in one roster and didnt do a Mania match

Only so much people can take before we tune out. We've tuned out. They are under 3 mill a week for RAW. Thats TNA in 2010 numbers

They are done.

>>2661882
2019 will mark the end of american wrestling. They are going to get bumped to a no name channel for a short term deal.

TV is still 1/3 of their business and its taken a hit of nearly half of it's viewers. Without a platform to market the stagnating network, they will start to bleed money. It's sad, but it's exactly what they've geared themselves towards.

>>2660034
>WWE Women's Summertime Swimsuit Match with Alexa Bliss

Would tune in.

>>2661882

>could have done Sting/Taker
>Taker kills Bray and HHH kills Sting instead
>could have done Cena/Taker
>Reigns kills Taker for no reaction and Cena has a throwaway match with Nikki against Miz and Maryse

Couldn't make this shit up desu. Also, Randy fucking Orton is unironically the WWE champion in the current year

>>2661882
>>2661906
they should just end the brand split for good and let it shrink until all that's left is RAM. wrestling was fun growing up but its death is long over due

Stopping caring about ratings and concentrating on social media followers was a mistake. Now you have thousands of poo in loos spambotting the fuck out of the WWE facebook page whilst posting about how much they love Roman Reigns, pissing off legit WWE fans from all other Countries.

memo to WWE - Indians willl NEVER buy your merch and will never pay for your content, giving your shit away on youtube hurts your numbers as well.

also, just fucking end 205 live (manlets will NEVER draw a fucking dime - even WCW knew this) get rid of that stupid WWE UK bollocks (and I'm a Britfag) and stop giving us 7+ hours a week of content, it's oversaturation to the point of I just can't be arsed to dedicate my time to watching - even if I spend that time shitposting on the WWE board of a Mongolian pottery enthusiasts forum.

Finally, don't have your guaranteed stars be on NXT for a year or more, it kills all their mystique when they get to the main roster. Either keep it as it was supposed to be - developmental or make it your third brand, seems they have no idea what they want it to be.

>>2662118
The most true thing is the developmental hell known as NXT. 205 is just them making use out of their arena time and doesn't really cost them anything to produce.

But NXT? you have several people languishing there forever despite having work experience in american promotions like TNA. Stop hiring literally everyone and focus on the shit you already have.

>>2661812
Taker I agree with. HHH was good though. Not easily replaced

>>2661815
18+

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>>2662118

>Joe, Balor, Galloway, Roode, Chris Hero, Nakamura and many more have spent years working their craft all over the World in various promotions
>lol who cares faggot, now go to NXT for a year to learn the generic WWE "style"

>why isn't anyone getting over?
>why aren't they getting the reactions?

NXT has literally killed the business

>>2662118
Shut up you retarded smark.

>>2659952
I stopped watching it in like 2004 and just recently came back (Royal Rumble 2016).

I think the biggest difference now is that they don't have any main event level talent. Roman Reigns is trash, Orton's okay, Styles is good, but anyone else who could legitimately be considered big time is part time. They need to start building some guys up. Let's see what happens with Jinder and Braun.

>>2662206

Angry poo in loo detected

>>2659952
2015

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>>2661633
>I think Shane could save this shit hole

Why? Are you just being worked by their on-screen personas?

Shane has no behind the scenes say because any time he has been given the slightest bit of power he's completely fucked it up. Read about what that clown did when Vince sent him to China to learn the market for a future WWE expansion. He ended up signing a non-compete clause against his own father in exchange for a title and a board position at a company that was dead under a year later and then he came crawling back to ask daddy for more money.

Shane is Fredo if Fredo was somehow also the biggest self-mark in history.

>>2659952
The 2015 royal rumble when all the stars in the universe perfectly aligned for Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan to happen and Vince swept each and every one out of the way to make a path for Roman Reigns.

I knew then that there was no saving this godawful product

>>2662300

What about Bryan vs. Lesnar sounds particularly good?

If anything Samoa Joe or Balor are the Lesnar battles we're missing out on.

>>2662310
If we went the "Lesnar actually has to do more than suplexes" then we then we could've had the single greatest 2012 and onwards Brock match yet. Likely better than Brock/Punk even

Hell, even if they decided to go Suplex City route at least the crowd reaction would fit the story that was trying to be told, additionally Bryan would've made a better underdog than Reigns ever could.

Either way, the Seth cash in this way would've given Seth the heat he desperately needed instead of having everyone praise his name because he's not Reigns

>>2662254
>It's a Paul shitposting on /asp/ episode

>>2662300
I don't know. Lesnar could legitimally killed Daniel Bryan on the ring

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>>2659952
Realized they're in too deep with too many PG elements outside the ring to ever go back.
>Make A Wish
>Susan G Komen
>Anti-Bully Rangers
I could go on.

On top of that, the people who pay lip service to TV-14 are the same people who put others on blast for even thinking of flippy women sexually. When is the last time you heard a commentator acknowledge a woman's appearance? They can't it's misogynist or something. Can't do a chokeslam through a flaming table, it's an imitatable act. Can't say fuck, shit and pussy because you'll make the jimmies' ears bleed. Can't throw a roid/coke-infused madman on the mic, after all those wrestlers brought to everyone's attention the degenerative effects of substances.

We've made our bed, now we must lay in it. Society is so self-conscious from the compounding guilt created by these pet causes that it will never recover. The whole thing needs to shrink and be built from the ground up again.

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>>2659952
There is this short disclaimer, presenting in white text against a black background for maximum contrast to ensure viewers can read it, at the beginning of each show. This disclaimer reads "We want you to know that we know you know this is fake and we will present the show accordingly."

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>>2662649
>Anti-Bully Rangers
>Protect JBL

>>2662665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PNUREV1nv4

>>2662627
>I don't know. Lesnar could legitimally killed Daniel Bryan on the ring
Lesnar could legitimately kill almost anyone on the planet.

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>>2659952
During the last couple months of the Invasion angle and a few months after that. I stopped watching wrestling completely. When they started running ECW I came back and would watch it on and off then I quit again.

>>2659952
When they jobbed the biggest draw in the world to Cena in a throwaway PPV.

Brock was the only thing that made me consider coming back to watching wrestling. After Extreme Rules 2012 I left and haven't looked back.

I don't even watch mandrama apart from the odd gook match every now and then. It's just funny watching Vince's empire slowly fall apart.

>>2662649
>make an anty bullying campaign
>while wrestling is literally about bullying most of the time

>>2662734
True but Daniel has soft vegetarian bones and he suffered from a concussion. Meanwhile Lesnar is a brute with roid rage that can get away with anything and he know it

>>2663267
>It's too dangerous to put him in a ring with Lesnar.
>Lets put him in a high risk ladder match instead.

Hi Vince

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>https://youtu.be/NNE-Qqo6CtY

How can WWE fall so bad? A women's match on Sunday Night Heat has hotter crowds, faster pace actions than the cruiserweights and very little time to create a storyline-fuelled segment. All this under 10 minutes

>>2663295
Sorry you don't like the truth, smark