Which one was the better wrestler?

>>2645029
People forget Austin was a pretty average wrestler. Shawn is one of the greatest.

>>2645034
there is more to wrestling than what happens in a match though

if Shawn was a 10/10 in ring performer then Austin was at least 8/10

Austin is better at everything else

>>2645034
>People forget Austin was a pretty average wrestler.

Literally nobody forgets that. It just doesn't matter.

>>2645034
Yeah and Shawn pretty much killed the company then Austin came and saved it

In ring: clearly Michaels
In everything else: clearly Austin

Only one of them had the crowd screaming when they were throwing punches in the ring.

>>2645053
Depends on style you prefer. I'd take Austin's Attitude era brawling main event matches over any HBK match.

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>>2645053
>In ring: clearly Michaels


Austins best match > Shawns best match

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>>2645061

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>>2645064
>not even the best HBK/Taker match

18+ please

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>>2645029

>simpsons shirt from when the series was still good

no wonder benoit was written off storylines

>>2645072
think that's a shop mate

>>2645053
FACTS

>>2645029
Shawn wasn't anything special. He was flippy but had no actual moves outside of the Superkick. Austin, limited moveset or not, actually had unique spots that fit his gimmick

>>2645053
This
HBK is the in-ring GOAT, but Austin is the overall GOAT

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>>2645029
Homer
Drew millions

>>2645034
>actually thinking Austin was average
>actually thinking in-ring work matters in wrestling

>>2646299
DRINK BEER
STRANGLE BART
EAT DONUTS
OH HELL YEAH

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>>2645029
>the shirt is more over than both of them combined

>>2645029
HBK by a landslide he incorporated a little of everything
Stone cold did well with the brawling style though

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>Austin had two five star matches on his own merits
>HBKetty's had two and had to rely on the fact that they were both first-of-their-kind for bonus brownie ez stars
>crowds louder during Austin's matches

>>2646313
This. Austin was better than HBK in every single aspect of wrestling:
In-ring ability
Mic skills
Charisma
Look
Draw power
Crowd reactions

Not one thing Shawnetty was better at.

Austin was fucking ace in the ring. Better than Shawn.

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Which one was the better wrestler? Which one is the greatest overall superstar?

>>2646334
Three greatest in WWF history, and the reason why 1997 is the best year in company history.

>>2646334
Austin was the greatest superstar easily, and I'd say Bret was the best in-ring, but Shawn had the longevity that neither did. Three GOATs

>>2646334
>Which one was the better wrestler?
Bret
>Which one is the greatest overall superstar?
Austin will ALWAYS be the answer to this question.

>>2645029
Austin's brawling style matched his gimmick. Shawn was technically sound but what did it have to do with his gimmick?

Austin had snoozefest matches from 1998-2001

Shawn never had a boring match

>>2646829
>Austin had snoozefest matches from 1998-2001
Wrong.

>>2646827
>Shawn was technically sound but what did it have to do with his gimmick?

He was a cocky show-off upstart, i think his moveset worked fine. He could brawl a bit, he could flip, he could do whatever needed to be done.

>>2646831
What? His brawls were boring and forgettable. Did Meltzer even give him a 4 star match post-1998?

>>2646851
I dunno if it was after 2001 but Booker t v. Austin in the grocery store was GOAT

but frankly nobody liked Austin for his matches, nobody watched Austin for his matches, it was about all the other stuff and what he meant and stood for.

>>2646851
18+

2001 was his best in-ring year.

Angle, No Way Out, Rock, tag match on Raw, Smackdown match with Benoit, Rumble match. He was on fire in the ring that year.

>>2646890
2001? you mean the year that he turned heel for no reason at all and killed the business?

>>2646914
>killed the business?
LOLOLOLOLOL

it was well dead by then, business died with ECW and WCW chummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmp

>>2646829
>>2646851
>snoozefest
>crowds were the loudest they've ever been, it was for his segments
>b-but he didn't get enough stars

Learn to think for yourself, stardone

>>2646914
This desu senpai

2001 was the cringiest year in WWE history. It took HHH's "reign of terror" to finally get the biz back on track

>>2646923
The Alliance was a complete joke and disaster, but that has nothing to do with his in-ring work, which was awesome.

>>2646922
>ratings took a nosedive in 2001 and by the end of the year they were back to 1997 levels

What?

>>2646926
Nobody ever talks about any Austin matches in 2001 except for the Rock match at Wrestlemania.

>>2646930
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2646927
9/11 happened.

>>2646934
Name another one. The angle match? It's a footnote compared to the praise the Angle/HBK and Angle/Taker matches get.

>>2646936
the 9/11 of the attitude era was Stone Cold turning heel for zero reason other than because his ego was hurt by Rock's success.

>>2646939
2001 Austin is often regarded as one of the greatest in-ring years ever. Just because every one of his matches isn't considered an all-time classic doesn't mean he didn't have an absurd year in-ring.

1996 Shawn is considered a great year and he had one classic match that year, Mind Games with Mankind.

>>2646939
>Angle/HBK and Angle/Taker
Both overrated.

>>2646944
HBK vs. Mankind is talked about more fondly than any Austin 2001 match though. Like by far. Austin 2001 was an abortion.

>>2645034
Wrestling is only a small part of being a wrestler.

>>2646951
>Austin 2001 was an abortion.
Go play in traffic, kid.

>>2646955
>he was born in 1989

i can smell you attitude babbys from a mile away

>>2646951
>4 stars vs. Angle, Unforgiven
>4.5 stars vs. Angle, SummerSlam
>3.75 stars vs. RVD and Jericho, KotR
>4.5 stars vs. Benoit, Smackdown
>4.75 stars vs. Benoit and Jericho, Raw
>4.5 stars vs. Rock, WrestleMania
>4.75 stars vs. HHH, No Way Out

>>2646965
Nobody talks about these matches though. They're shitter throwaways

>>2646943
lol epic meme

>>2646927
>1998-2001 is purely 2001 post-heel turn

>>2646979
Hey Steve! How did beating the shit out of Austin because Hogan and Rock erased your legacy feel?

>>2646977
I agree with your assessment of Austin's in-ring skills and most of those matches are complete
meaningless throwaways but people talk about that No Way Out match all the time man

>>2646984
Debra*

>>2646984
Hi Steve!

>>2646986
>people talk about that No Way Out match all the time man

That match isn't even in the top 5 talked-about HHH matches.

Sure it was really good, but do people really refer to this in their all-time classics lists?

>>2646965
>No one talks about the GOAT Raw match

kys

>>2646995
Tell that to the other moron.

>>2647002
GOAT Raw match? you mean the one where HHH, Jericho, and Benoit did all the work, while Austin sulked in the corner because Dwayne was overshadowing his stardom?

>>2646368
>worst ever year financially

Just goes to show that whatever smarks think is good draws no dimes

Shawn, even Austin himself will admit that.

Austin was the better 'superstar', but tbf he did have a much cooler gimmick. Shawn was basically a cocky male stripper who danced half naked in front of a predominantly male crowd, it's amazing he got over as much as he did.

>>2647071
They built the foundation for the Attitude Era in 1997 and completely re-invented the company, and the profit came later.

The company in January is nothing like the company in December.

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>>2646965
>Haitch carrying Austin to what should have been two five star matches, but Meltzer's a cuck

>>2645029
lol . 18+. HBK is the GOAT and Austin was overrated. you are welcome.

>>2646991
>That match isn't even in the top 5 talked-about HHH matches.

Because it's not remembered as a HHH match because Austin outshines him in everyway, shape, and form.

Jesus you kids...

>>2647180
I can just smell the reddit coming off this post

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>>2646977
>Three Stages of Hell Match
>a shitter throwaway
I like how casually you down syndrome types fabricate things

>>2645029
Shawn was better in the ring but honestly who cares?

More people know and care about Stone Cold.

That's why the product today blows chunks, these obese smarks actually think people care about who can do a 450 splash better. If we wanted to watch gymnastics we would watch the olympics.

>>2646977
>Nobody talks about these matches
You're an idiot.

Who is the one that said Michael can predicted everything in time while wrestling on the ring? Like he knew what spot to do at nano second and end the match perfectly in time with the planned time.

>>2645034

Austin was never as good as he was before he broke his neck. By the time he hit peak popularity, he was hamstrung by various injuries. Remember that he was brought into the company explicitly because he was a very good worker, as The Ringmaster.

But still, in the grand scheme of things, he was never as bad as average. Even just in the WWE, he was an above average worker because he was smart about how he did what he was still able to do.

>>2647476
Austin in 2001 was the best in the ring that year, the only one who came close was Kurt

>>2645064
I was there live and in person for that amazing match and even I can tell you Hart-Austin from 13 was eons away better.

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>>2646299
I was hoping someone made a Simpsons Wrestling reference

>>2646313
> giving a shit about stars Meltzer pulls out of his ass.