RAW RATINGS ARE IN THE DUMPSTER

Not necessarily. Cable industry is dieing and the ratings slumps just so happen to coincide with those trends.

Though I fail to see how they are going to go about getting that increase they are banking on.

>>2634099

Hi Vince!

Weird how these other big shows don't seem to be struggling with ratings.

Dump the vanilla midgets and bring in people who actually look like stars and the ratings will increase - period.

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>>2634091
>Romanetty
>It's *insert anyone but Roman*'s fault
>Argument over if he's over yet or not
>BBDWOTS
>Memes, flame baiting and samefagging

Here's your thread for the next 24 hours

>>2634091
To be fair, Im sure a lot of people read the results before the show and tuned out. But shit under a 2.5. The WWE had zero casual viewership anymore

>>2634099
Basically at this point to spike ratings they have to go full carny

I'm talking Roman Reigns vs Alexa Bliss in a champion vs. champion match

I watch it to spite /asp/

>>2634108
>Memes, flame baiting and samefagging

Welcome to every 4chan thread in existence

>>2634112
It's time to give up on being PC and start cultivating an edgy """"""""""""alt-right"""""""""" following

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>>2634107
>Weird how these other big shows don't seem to be struggling with ratings.

But they are?

Roman's hour went up and had the top ratings

GOAT

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>pro wrestling will die in your lifetime

>>2634112
>Roman pins her down and fucks her
>wears the divas belt half stuffed in his pants

there vince i got him over

actually watched the whole show this week on account of the decent crowd but by seth vs joe they were dead and i needed a long break before i finished

if it wasn't for the crowd this was a dogshit show barely above a house show

Not much Roman - viewers drop.
Film in UK (aka Islam land 2) - viewers drop.

Hmmmm wonder why viewers tuned out? Just give Roman the belt, kick out immigrants like Zayn, New Day, Titus, etc. Trump got 120 million votes, Raw could easily grab 10% of that if they reflected popular culture.

They're having trouble with the 3rd hour. 3 hours is a mistake

They drop at least 500,000 viewers going into the 3rd hr the 2nd hrs do pretty good

>>2634140
No, it won't. NJPW is doing great business. And just because the smarks have finally had enough and are leaving WWE doesn't mean they'll die. Hell, they may do something drastic like they did in the MNW.

Plus /asp/ don't watch raw next week, let's see if we can drag the ratings even lower.

Who's with me?

It's okay because "ratings don't matter".

>>2634147

They need the 3rd hour its the only thing keeping them from losing money on the show.

>>2634148
Then wrestling will die on America during your lifetime.

The normies won't go in masses to see NJPW shows on US because they hate slant eyes (Nakameme and his friends are over among the same smarks watching WWE every week despite they hate it) and Mexicans are the new Russians after Trump won so no chance for lucha libre. It's the territory era all over again

Why would anyone watch that dogshit when the spoilers were out? Who would willingly sit there and watch it, commercials and all? I get that 3 hour RAW's generate them a lot more revenue, but it makes watching the show a chore, not fun. They'll never go away though, too much fucking revenue.

>>2634091

The WWE is actually dying before our very eyes.

>>2634157
>They'll never go away though, too much fucking revenue.

The WWE doesn't exist on magical money. If people stop paying for the product it'll die.

>>2634109

The people who actually care to look up spoilers are the people who would still watch if something interesing happened.

>>2634147
>3 hours in a mistake

Nope, the 6+ hours of WWE programming every week is the problem. Its hard to get invested and even then it feels like you only know about half of whats going on

>>2634128
>Not being a sexist pig,standing for equality and letting women fight men somehow equals being edgy alt righter
Ummm,no sweetie

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>>2634147
USA is forcing them to do the 3 hours

Vince himself said his ideal wrestling show is 90 minutes

Who ever thought they'd see the day RAW do TNA numbers

>>2634168
It all hinges on that TV contract. If that is gone or gets a massive cut after 2019 (and I don't see how it couldn't), the WWE is fucked.

>>2634189
Wait until they lose their TV deal and try to charge people $90 a month to access the Network

>>2634147
>3rd hour
In terms of quality? Yes, absolutely, the 3rd hour is cancer. But theyre able to cram more ads because of it so it's a financial positive

>>2634201
They need a platform to advertise it.

No one currently brags about having the network like they do netflix. Losing a TV deal would be the death of the brand.

>>2634201

And no one would buy it then...

Having only the Network and no TV contract will just end the company.

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>>2634091

Romanetty is literally killing RAW.

>>2634091
There are so many better things to watch now.

They deserve even lower ratings with the boring ass shows they are producing

>bring back batista
>bring back the rock
>have them feud
>something about hollywood

Watch the dimes roll in.

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>>2634189
Let's be realistic here. Quality aside, Raw is literally all USA Network has.

Legit draws like Monk, Psych, Burn Notice, White Collar, those are all done. Their current crop of original show's couldn't draw flies to shit. WWE is likely in no danger of being pulled unless USA goes down first...which isn't unlikely, but still...

>>2634244

They still won't pay that much anymore in the future I would think. Specially not with a contract that is independent form the ratings.

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>>2634244
>USA Network has no draws

>>2634244
PUSH CHRISLEY DAMMIT

>>2634149
What you watch only matters if you've got one of them Nielsen boxes doesn't it?

>>2634149
here

watching RAM is literally a waste of time

>>2634171
>3 hours is not a mistake, 6 hours is

you realize that RAM's 3 hours is half of the greater 6 right? lmao

>>2634205
>so it's a financial positive
in the short term yes. in the long term if it keeps driving people away (which it will unless the product is upgraded from absolute dogshit to watchable) then it's not a positive.

>>2634262
/OURGUY/

>>2634244
Even so, the last time this rolled around wwe was averaging 5 million viewers and even with those numbers, their increase of 50% was actually way way lower than what they were telling stock holders (3-5 times). Now averaging half of that, good luck not getting a decrease even with the shifting market.

>lunatic and fedoraman

JUST

>people actually tuned in to see Based Big Dog squash Strownetty
BASED

>>2634300

No they didn't...

>>2634285

This.

USA will at least lowball them, and if no one else is interested in WWE what leverage do they have?

>>2634149
>implying I have been watching

>>2634281
I not defending it by any means. I don't think the wwe trust themselves to make a compelling 2 hour show anymore, so they're taking the easy way out.

>>2634091
Well WWE is a boring pg show.

>>2634185
>USA is forcing them to do the 3 hours

How can USA force them to do 3 hours? Unless if they Vince signed a contract with USA saying they will give them 3 hours of programming a week, USA can't just say "do 3 hours or else!"

>>2634396
Only thing I could see helping wwe's case is total divas/bellas being on E! (part of the current deal). Which have done respectable numbers on that network. Even then this season is basically them blowing their load with the wedding/baby storyline

>>2634408
>USA can't just say "do 3 hours or else!"

Uhm...yeah, they can pretty much do that.

>>2634415
>Uhm...yeah, they can pretty much do that.

Uh, no they can't. Lets say WWE signed a contract with USA in 2013 for 5 years. That contract would state how many hours on TV WWE would deliver each night. Unless the contract says "3 hours of programming every Monday night", WWE doesn't have to do it. If USA says "we want 3 hours of Raw!", Vince could just say, "read the contract, we're obliged to 2 hours, no more no less".

>>2634422

And guess, what they did...

>>2634426

No. Vince AGREED to do it. He could have said no. USA can't FORCE Vince to do 3 hours. He would win in court.

>>2634422

The contract obviously says 3 hours you moron, hence the 3 hours of TV no matter how shit

Who the fuck is this?

>>2634432
>The contract obviously says 3 hours you moron

If the contract says 3 hours, then Vince wasn't "forced" to do anything. He signed the contract, so he can't whine about "90 minutes being the ideal wrestling show".

>>2634434
hahaha you're a fucking idiot

>>2634434

Yeah, he could have looked for another network and lose tons of money in the process.

Are you for real?

>>2634436

WWEbabbys in this thread
"Herr derr vince was forced to 3 hours by USA"

I point out that they can't force him, if he agreed to sign the contract.

WWEbabbys freak out.

>>2634441
>Yeah, he could have looked for another network and lose tons of money in the process.

Yeah, because he never switched networks before? That's what you call LEVERAGE in negotiations. I'm sure USA offered him 3 hours of Raw + more money and he jumped on it. I doubt they said "3 hours or else".

>>2634445

Yeah obviously it was "go to 3h or lose tons of money". What else would it be? No one claimed they forced him to do it at gunpoint.

I still watch PPV's when the card/build is decent as they have the storyline promo vid before the match but I dont watch any WWE programming it is boring and long.

I used to bitch and complain etc and then i realised i should just stop watching.

And since then I have took a shower got a clue and even had sex. The weights are too much.

>>2634136
Not him, but April ratings for MLB, NBA playoffs, and even the fucking NFL draft are up from the previous year. RAW really has no excuse for their shit ratings other than that the show sucks.

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It's the Miz's fault. He's not a draw. Stop putting him in Main Events. You'll only end up bleeding viewers.

#bringbackroman

>>2634140
American prowrestling will die in your lifetime unless Billy Corgan can save the NWA.

>>2634091
It's a taped episode. Non-story.

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>>2634091
Oh good gravy. Someone get Vince to listen to /ourguy/'s RAW review so he can fix his snoozefest of a show.

>>2634091
They [NBCUniversal] finna take WWE shows off their programming. When Vinny Mac is gone, Trips and Steph are gonna run the company to the ground, so get ready to say goodbye bois.

>>2634107
The entire show is based on an absent big dude, who's holding the belt to give it the the company's big dog, who's feuding with the company's giant.

And it's killing it.

LOL

FedorRamen BTFO

>>2634091
Playoffs nigga
Real sports over sports entertainment

>>2634178
cuck pls

>>2634478
But the PPVs are long and boring Sunday RAWs too. I hope you're not paying for that trash you can see for free on Mondays

>>2634108
you forgot the usual buzzwords

>>2634119
No, it's amped up here. I've been on /v/ for 6 years now, and even the shitty threads and flame-baiting aren't anywhere as bad as they are here. This is mainly because they get creative with their bait and don't post the same buzzwords over and over

>>2634091
who the fuck watches a freakin 3 hour show full of commercials in 2017?

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>>2634551
>tfw you're so good at being a heel people change the channel rather than watch you

>>2634731
>tfw too heel to win

>>2634243
Why have they NOT done this yet? Both guys are willing to come back for big matches, Batista is more than willing to be a bad guy and at least they can bill it as some kind of dream match.

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>>2634731
>>2634812
>tfw too heel to draw

>>2634243
>have two part-timers main event Wrestlemania again
>have the ratings plunge again after they leave

Here's an idea, why don't we build the talent they already have there?

>>2634551
How high were the ratings with Roman when he was feuding with Braun in the main event?

>>2634445
>WWE
>Leverage
Hahahahahaha, they had to literally BEG USA to stay on TV. Wrestling is that far in the shitter.

Not gonna lie, once Alexa was done and I saw Strowman walk away from Roman, I couldn't have turned it off faster.

will billy corgan get a good tv slot for nwa and hire russo as head writer??

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>>2634244
Colony, nigga.

>>2634140

the attitude era will return in 100 years

>>2634948
Strowman is the draw.

>>2634731
The Miz was a mistake.

Send him to commentary. That's the only thing he's good for.

>>2634091
Maybe if the top champion of the show would actually appear once in a while, people would be more willing to tune in.

>mid carders main eventing Raw
>hurr why aren't people tuning in hurr

Stupid.

>>2634148
The garage feds will still be around but that doesn't mean wrestling isn't dead

>>2634221
>BBD getting the highest hour and working the obese smarks all at once
How does he do it?

>>2634148
NJPW is doing great business but it's still making less money than WWE at its slump, so what more if WWE enters a new golden age like the Rock n' Wrestling Era or the Attitude Era?

It's the mom and pop store of pro wrestling businesses.

>>2634442
If they say "we don't want it unless you do 3 hours" or they pay him significantly less for 1.5 hours then what the hell else is he meant to do?
Get a clue ya obese weeb

>>2634221
Roman had the highest viewers.

The mid-carders that got the main event made the ratings go down.

>>2634149
Literally makes zero difference unless you have a nielsen box retard

>>2634731
Vince Russo thinks the Miz would've been a mega star in the Attitude Era.

http://www.ringsidenews.com/2017/05/08/vince-russos-brand-recap-miz-wrong-era-sheamus-reckless-worker-wwes-double-standard/

Make of that what you will.

>>2635113
>miztake

One job.

>>2635271
if he was alone then probably not but he's gotten much better with Maryse. nigga's proved that he pretty gosh darn good on the mic.

>>2635317
Being good with the mic only means little when you're facing a locker room full of Brett Harts and Shawn Michaels.

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deanetty the ratings killing legend does it again

actual ratings cancer

>>2634243
The Rock won't do it because he's jealous of Batista being in better movies

>>2635271
And Jim Cornette thinks Ziggles should be pushed while the Miz is a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZkVLi6bhJE

Cornette > Russo.

>>2635343
Cornette is off his rocker then. Ziggler legit sucks.

>>2634731
So much for Miz becoming an Internet darling.

#SendTheMizToImpactWrestling

>>2634731
>we hate Mizetty again

Like clockwork.

>>2635271
Vince Russo also made David Arquette WCW Champion, so of course he'd think that.

>>2635335
Au contraire.

I took a look at the ratings for every episode of Raw last year in relation to who main evented the show.

24 people were in main event matches in 2016. Out of those, 19 had four or less matches. Out of the top five main eventers, here's who drew the highest average TV ratings.

Dean Ambrose at 2.21 over 10 matches.
Seth Rollins at 2.02 over 9 matches.
Kevin Owens at 1.98 over 14 matches.
(tie) Chris Jericho at 1.98 over 12 matches.
Roman Reigns at 1.97 over 19 matches.

>>2634140

Nope,. just Vince had a monopoly from 2002 till about 4 years ago. Now with NJPW and Lucha Underground getting a lot of traction, people are just putting their time and energy elsewhere.

Less is more, but the WWE forgot that. They will learn, but it's going to take some serious pain on their side before they fix it

>>2635271
>Vince Russo

Stopped reading there.

>>2634136
>People actually watch Love and Hip Hop: Atlanta
>People watch it enough for it to be number 2
I guess a show about stupid niggers would attract lots of other stupid niggers to watch it. Still pretty disgusting.

>>2634148
They at least had competition during the Monday Night Wars which caused Vince to change up the product. Their ratings might be shit, but they're still #1 in the business, so Vince has no inclination to change anything.

This is basically a repeat of the Hulkamania era, except there's no WCW.

>>2635271
Yeah fucking right. He's basically just a shitter version of Jericho, who was mega over and a great heel. Miz would've been nothing more than a midcarder feuding with fucking Val Venis or Hardcore Holly.

>>2635439
Good job.

Romanetty BTFO

>>2635962
Couldn't draw a dime tho, that's why Trips buried him.

>>2636225
Ratings actually went down after HHH won the belt at Mania and then tanked when Hogan won it again

I'm not saying Jericho was a draw, but he had up until that point one of the worst booked WWE title runs ever. He was stuck playing second fiddle to Stephanie and got overshadowed by the biggest match since Hogan-Andre

>>2636234
Yes, but HHH is the go-to guy when Rock, Hogan, Austin, Goldberg, and Brock left.

He kept the ratings at a steady 4.0 throughout the Reign of Terror before Cena inherited his shovel.

I have a feeling WWE doesn't care about the ratings as much because of the money they're making off of the Network as well.

WWE booking isn't a coincidence. Jericho was booked the same way as, say, Christian because WWE doesn't feel they'd get merch money from them like they would with a Cena or HHH.

RAW May 12th, 2014;
>Hour 1 - 3.81m, Hour 2 - 4.25m, Hour 3 - 3.96m
>Average - 4.00m

RAW May 11th, 2015;
>Hour 1 - 3.82m, Hour 2 - 3.85m, Hour 3 - 3.39m
>Average - 3.69m

RAW May 9th, 2016;
>Hour 1 - 3.35m, Hour 2 - 3.36m, Hour 3 - 3.01m
>Average - 3.23m

RAW May 8th, 2017;
>Hour 1 - 2.83m, Hour 2 - 2.85m, Hour 3 - 2.42m
>Average - 2.70m

>>2636536
It's crazy how fast their audience has bled out.

>>2636536
>b-b-but look at all these great wrestlers we have!

>>2634148
>this weeb thinks NJPW isn't also dying

>>2635215

The 2nd hour always has the highest ratings during DST if nothing special is going on, smart ass.

The BBD literally made no difference at all.

>>2636548
>>2636556
>massive drop in ratings the year the Roman Reigns overpush begins

>>2636557
Show your working.

>>2636536
>Push Romanetty
>Lose 1/3 your audience in just a few years

The tiny terrier was a mistake.

>>2634091
I only got 1hr into raw the other day before I tapped out. Did you hear how dead the UK crowd was? You know you got nothing but jobbers when the UK crowds sitting on their hands

>>2635197
>pushed as the "new face of the company"
>WWE immediately starts spiraling down the shitter

Hmmmmmm......

>>2635929
Isn't hip hop culture a suburban white thing? You know, lame white kids wishing to live in da hood and shit

>>2636557
>doubled their revenue every year for the last five years
>dying

wew

HIRE RUSSO

>>2636556
>it's the wrestlers fault the booking doesn't get anyone over and they are forced to say corny badly written lines

>>2637232
>doubled their revenue
>still can't beat WWE in a slump, which is still making 5 times what they're making at their current prime

Aaaay.

>>2637433
>oh shit I was wrong, they're not dying. Better change the goalposts to which company has more money because I'm a moron

>>2637451
>WWE is "dying" yet still makes more than NJPW

Doesn't that mean that WWE isn't dying since it's many times bigger than NJPW, especially its ratings in the US?

>>2637466
No because dying is essentially the same thing as shrinking, which is what WWE is doing. NJ on the other hand has been growing at a rapid pace for five years. I really don't understand why some of you are so conditioned to blindly defend WWE when you have no tangible stake in their success.

>>2637482
It's not shrinking overall though, most areas of their business have seen a steady climb since the last time the tv deal rolled around. It's just that the tv ratings have drastically fallen off since then.

>>2637482
>No because dying is essentially the same thing as shrinking, which is what WWE is doing

You are aware that despite WWE having ratings comparable to the IYH Era it's making gangbusters in merch and house show sales comparable to the Ruthless Aggression Era, right?

Smack ratings are out. They actually went up a bit still in the 2.3 range

Hey, I don't wanna make a thread, but was Smackdown worth watching last night?