Is he an lucky idiot or a genius?

Lucky idiot but knew when to listen to those around him. Now as the people around him are even dumber than he is, shit got bad.

>>2628998
Genius
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Genius

Genius. GOAT.

>Hogan
>Austin
>Rock
>Cena

Genius

Reminder that Vince had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming into The Attitude Era.

>>2629008
>implying Vince is listening to anybody

There are so many great rasslin' minds in WWE and none of them are being listened to.

>>2629027
>stolen from AWA
>stolen from ECW and never wanted to push
>didn't get over until he did the opposite to what Vince wanted
>got over by accident, had Vince get hands-on with him and kill his overness

>the most recent example you provided is over 12 years old and is a contested success

>>2629027
Austin would have been 'The Ringmaster' and The Rock would have been 'Rocky Maivia' if it was for Vinnie Mac.

>>2629027
None of whom were made by Vince. ALl got over by themselves. Vince's only ''success'' is the Undercarder

Idiot genius

>>2628998
He's a literal retard considering he has dyslexia and has the sense of humor of an eight year old

>>2629035
>>stolen from AWA
lolwut Hulkamania wasn't even a thing then. Vince made Hogan a star. Vern had no idea what to do with Hogan. He didn't even put the belt on him
>>stolen from ECW
Austin was literally >ex WWE guy goes TNA to shoot on WWE in ECW. Vince made him Stone Cold
>>The Rock didn't get over
Now you're just being stupid or trolling
>>Cena got over by accident
18+ he got over and has remained over since 2003

>>2629029
Vince was right that the Attitude Era was not the best path of action for business long-term as it did irreparable damage to the image of the company, an image they are still fighting to this day. He knew that it should only be used as a last resort.

Both

>>2629047
The retarded mind of a Stamford Wife everybody

>>2629047
My favourite part was how you selectively interpreted what I said about The Rock.

Otherwise the rest was just tired "NO U LIAR!"

>>2629051
Yeah because wrestling had such a great public rep before that...

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Millions of people around the globe including those fucking poos in India and those gooks in China spend their time and dimes to watch men pretend fight in their underwear to the point that the WWE is one of the biggest entertainment entities on the globe.

The man is a fucking genius whether he pushes your smark bait or not.

On top of all that, he was the best character in wrestling history.

>>2629051

While you're right in sense about the business side of WWE and how the raunchiness of the AE ran off some advertisers. However, before the AE WWE was consider white trash bullshit. At least the AE made wrestling cool. That's my opinion.

>>2629097
Not only that he is still continuing his long standing methodology of raiding everyone else to ensure most of the smark favorites are on his brand so if you want to see them you have to watch his programming.

Be as salty about his booking as you want.

Lucky to have his promotion in the north east, lucky enough to have other territories go retard, genius enough to take advantage of national syndication and PPV.

Best thing he ever did was turn the Montreal screw job into the mr mcmahon character.

Hes a lucky fool that listened to the right people in the right era. now hes stuck listening to hicks and fat women so his product is stuck in limbo.

>>2629051
Well tbf if it wasn't for AE wwe wouldn't be around now.

Genius is the wrong word. If he was a genius, wrestling would not be in the slump that it is now. He was born into the business at a time when the entertainment industry was changing, and he also just so happened to be smarter than the other promoters, which isn't a whole lot to be proud off. Vinces success is a mixture of nepotism, right place right time, and luck. Genius is far to flattering.
What's also interesting to note is that the biggest stars in wrestling history were not products of Vince McMahon. Hogan, Austin, Rock Cena, Goldberg, Sting, Andre, Flair, Dusty and Bret. Probably the most recognisable wrestlers of their eras; not one was created by Vince.
If Vince had it his way, Diesel, Ultimate Warrior, Lugar, Lesnar, Rocky Mavia, Lashely and Reigns would have carried the company over the past 50 years or so. Reigns is doing it now, and look how that's turning out.

>>2629255
its not his fault there hasn't been anyone worthy of being a star come down the line since Cena.

you can only polish a turd so far.

>>2629287
If Cena had come around in this era he wouldn't have been made a star either. Don't pretend the talent is the problem.

>>2629287
I disagree. Punk could have been huge, and they still have a chance with Ambrose if they let him loose.

>>2629100
Gaytch making a racist promo and raping a mannequin certainly didn't help the company to maintain its mainstream status. Nowadays not even white trash want to follow WWE anymore

>>2629296
Cena came around at the end of the attitude era, there has been nothing but roid ragers, rat people, and thankfully Hornswaggle to prop up the WWE. you can't build on sand.

maybe it is McMahon's fault, with his restrictive as fuck contracts, that people go elsewhere in the world to get famous, but there hasn't been anyone with a good enough shtick or charisma in years. shit even that stupid Lucha show on netfix is better than 90% of the WWE
>>2629313
Punks problem was punk. he couldnt hold his shit down, and once he gobbled a few pills for his back, he started talking shit.

If WCW/ECW didn't force him to put some realism in the product, here's some ideas of 2017 SUPERSTARS.

>IT
The IT guy at your office you hate that deletes your good porn! Finisher is the the Anti-Virus, refers to people as viruses, malware, etc. Starts out as a hell but eventually turns face in a feud vs the hacker. Gets 2 or 3 world title runs.

>The Hacker
Shows up around when IT turns tweener, hacks the arenas lights, commentary, etc. He puts himself into matches by hacking the music and shit. Gets a title run based on turning arena lights and hitting the face with a chair so the ref can't see it. Loses it to IT.

>Mr. 2000
Millennial character that complains a lot and asks for handouts in front of the crowd. Complete jobber.

>The Twatter
Name in progress but someone who manages social media. Basically a parody of Facebook social media managers. Gets into a small feud with IT and hacker.

>The Recycler
Evil guy who makes you recycle your garbage, attacks Superstars who throw cans into the garbage instead of recycling.

>>2629323
Not that anon but before going senile, Vince knew how to deal with the huge egos on wrestling. He knew when to play the authoritarian boss figure and when to swallow his pride for the sake of the business. That's very important on an irregulated medium like wrestling. Meanwhile Gaytch is petty and insecure, nobody respect him on the roster and that feed his already fragile ego. Punk's problem seem to be mainly with Gaytch rather than with Vince directly

>>2629323
>Cena came around at the end of the attitude era,

Mid 2002? fuck off you underage shit

>>2629323
>with his restrictive as fuck contracts
>there hasn't been anyone with a good enough shtick or charisma in years.

Really makes you think...

>>2629340
This. Triple H will destroy professional wrestling. He'll fuck up the WWE, and he seems pretty dead set on monopolising wrestling totally, so he'll drain all the indies and NJPW also. I mean, once Triple H took more of a backstage role, that's really when the product became flat out unbearable.

>>2629345
the Attitude guys were still around then chucklehead. it was when they were all getting ready to retire from injuries and acting gigs.

>>2629363
Attitude Era guys are going to wrestle in WWE this week, does that make it Attitude Era?

>>2629358
You're an idiot.

>HHH is the reason The New Generation was just as bad as the last decade or so is

>>2629255
You don't have to be a character creator to be a genius. Vince's genius is in recognizing something good when he sees it, and also adapting to circumstances to survive and thrive.

Vince did create the greatest wrestling character of all time though (Undertaker).

>>2629363
Cena was never meant to be the top guy though. He was basically last on their list. They wanted Lesnar but he left, then they went with Orton but the crowd didn't care (13 years later and they still don't). Batista was next, and he want pretty good, but ultimately Cena ended up outdrawing him and becoming the bigger star.

>>2629370
Undertaker is the only exception, and that's more on Taker than Vince.
>recognizing something good when he says it
Maybe 20 years ago. Now though? Absolutely not.

>>2629373
batista went crazy on roids and even McMahon said for him to back up off of it, and then banned him.

>>2629384
>lying online

pathetiq

He is the last guy standing from the territory days. If anyone in wrestling is genius then it's Vince. He made wrestling into sports entertainment and made it mainstream by making about colorful characters and stories. Hell even Gene Okerlund was over and a character whereas other interview guys were seemingly purposely bland and boring. Yeah sure not all his ideas were original, but he ran harder with them than anyone else. He made wrestling fun for the whole family. He knew how to market not only superstars like Hogan but even guys like SD Jones who had his own action figure. Vince didn't invent gimmicks but the WWF's video packages, skits, and vignettes were miles ahead of the competition. He knew how to perfectly capture those big moments like Hogan slamming Andre. He made WrestleMania feel like a real spectacle, whereas it sometimes felt like WCW's Starrcade was "just another show". I think there is also a certain amount of genius in his ruthlessness and aggressiveness too. He always dreamed big.

>>2629029
>Reminder that Vince had to be dragged kicking-and-screaming into The Attitude Era.

Vince hated the Attitude Era and wanted to go back to the 1980s clown shoe era.

And got what he wanted using a sustainable model that isn't dependent on ratings to survive.

>>2629035
>SCSA
>stolen from ECW
>in ECW, Stone Cold wrestled 2 matches and jobbed both

What?

>>2629177
tbf he's willing to use it as a nuclear option along with Vince Russo in the writing staff (with a short leash).

>>2629414
>Vince invented storylines and characters in wrestling

Eighteen Fucking Plus

>>2629424
>he doesn't know THE promo

>>2629415
Bleeding out hundreds of thousands of regular viewers per year isn't "sustainable"

>>2628998
Both
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>>2629436
>one good promo and two matches in which you jobbed makes you a star

You're really trying for the gold in these mental gymnastics huh?

>>2629549
By this logic you're making it seem like James Ellsworth could be the next SCSA if he were to go to TNA

>>2629549
It was the genesis for what became the Stone Cold character, dumb-dumb.

Certainly more influential than months he spent as the fucking Ringmaster.

>>2629566
If you weren't underage or actually paid attention to the network then you'd know Steve was being used as some le edgy proto CM Punk/every TNA wrestler shooting at the WWE gimmick and he couldn't be the beer drinking tweener brawler cus newflash dumbass there was already one on there

>>2629582
Beer didn't even become a part of the Stone Cold persona until like mid-1998

>>2629595
Thank you Anon. Thank you for accepting my point and saying SCSA wasn't a thing until he got to the E'

Steve was irrelevant in WCW and in ECW

>>2629606
That's not what happened but it's pretty clear you're not gonna let your delusions get stopped by a petty little thing like reality.

>>2629622
Clarify me then. What happened then? Steve was already a star in ECW?

Are you saying he was already wearing those plain black trunks like Malenko? Or maybe using Mikey Whipwrecks finisher aswell? Or drinking beer like The Sandman

Steve was nothing else but some diagruntled former WCW employee shooting at the company in which Heyman enjoyed. He didn't get stoled from ECW. He only truly became a star in the E' like Hogan.

>>2629650
And to further my point just listen to this.

Vince gave Steve the option of becoming the Stone Cold gimmick and Steve made it what it became. Paul Heyman just wanted to Steve to continue shooting at WCW with his Max Headroom like promos since it amused Heyman the same way Dixie Carter got off to seeing former E' talent shoot at her ring

>>2629650
I really hope English isn't your first language.

Heyman was gonna put the ECW World Title on Austin in his debut until Austin convinced him otherwise.

I'd ask if you knew they'd been close for years before that, but you said his WCW tenure was "irrelevant" so I've already got my answer.

>>2629323
>Punk screwed Punk.
Wow, that's inspired.

>>2629668
>Heyman was gonna put the ECW World Title on Austin in his debut

Yea I also heard Benoit and Eddie were gonna become the new Heavyweight Champions right before their deaths.

Heyman already had his main top talent in 95 with Dreamer, Sandman, and Taz and each one of them had significant feuds already with other stars in the promotion but hey Heyman never lies, right?

I bet you also think that Heyman was involved 100% with the booking

>>2629668
>Heyman was gonna put the ECW World Title on Austin in his debut until Austin convinced him otherwise.

He was injured Anon. He literally had a torn a tricep and couldn't perform which is why he just shot promos

>>2629708
Debut match sparky.

>>2629702
>bringing up WWE rumour shit for no reason

And you literally just made that Benoit one up.

>Heyman wasn't involved with the booking of his own company

>>2629702
>Taz and Dreamer were in the ECW Title picture
>in 19-fucking-95

You lie poorly.

>>2629717
Again Anon, if you weren't underage you'd know it was all over online of WWE personel talking about giving Benoit the title after feuding with Punk but was quickly denied once details of the murder suicide came up and yes I am only using this as an example to show you how promotions lie for the sake of them virtue signaling.

If Stone Cold never became Stone Cold you better believe that Jew would never breathe Steve's name along with ECW.

And yes Paul wasn't a 100% involved in booking. It was Dreamer and Raven that put a significant amount of it in which many ECW stars and even Paul have said in interviews but again you wouldn't know because 18+

>>2629742
Punk & Benoit were going to wrestle for the ECW Championship you overcompensating fuck, not the WHC.

Heyman managed Austin in WCW. 18+

>>2629750
>SYFY ECW stars were stuck in one brand and couldn't leave until it got cancelled

And ok.

>>2629758
ECW stars being allowed to appear on Smackdown then RAW didn't happen until long after Benoit died.

>>2628998
Genius with a lot of lucky timing and help from his peers. Hence why his other businesses didn't succeed as much or even at all.

Genius obviously. No one else could have done what he done.

>>2629036
>The Rock would have been 'Rocky Maivia' if it was for Vinnie Mac
he wouldn't have been Rocky Maivia because Vince created the character you mongrel

the truth...

he was a genius in the 70s 80s and 90s.
he then lost touch.
a millionaire who should be a billionaire.

so yes the last 15 years hes been a failure, but its amazing what you can do when you start off with millions of dollars - look at trumps clueless ass

Carny fuck who's a ruthless business man who was able to take out the rest of the carny fucks. Gets laughed at behind his back by the true elites of the world and gets wrecked in any market he tries to enter that doesn't involve wrestling and this makes him seeth.

He's an insane manchild with an insane work ethic who just happens to be in an industry that rewards promoters like him.

>>2630127
Rock chose to be Rocky Maivia because of his dad and grandad