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ahmed johnson

>>2589573
Hardcore Holly

>>2589573
Gangrel

>>2589590
Holly was over, it's just that nobody in the company really cared enough to push him. He was a perpetual midcarder by design.

>>2589594
>Holly was over
What did he mean by this?

>implying Steve Austetty was over

>>2589573
Did Steve Blackman ever get over?

>>2589598
He means Holly was over?

Are you retarded?

>>2589573
Rocky Maivia

>>2589594
Bullshit. Crash was over. Hardcore was fucking shit-tier wrestler even in the shit-tier gimmick of the Hardcore division. Hardcore wasn't over until Tough Enough put heat on him after he beat the shit out of once and future faggot announcer and then Lesnar brocked his neck, which was after AE.

Hardcore returned from rehab, was over for like 4 months, feuded with Lesno, and then promptly went back to dead crowds and draws no dimes status because hes a fucking ball of anti-charisma.

>>2589594
Hi Bob!

>>2589606
Blackman's Kendo Stick was over. Poor bastard's career started in the 80's but got sidelined by malaria courtesy of working in South Africa. He came back, won the Hardcore division, was a legit tough guy and had an awesome segment with Trish Stratus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDbmf6VaV5w

Seriously, he could've been great if he didn't essentially miss a fucking decade due to 1 night in Africa.

>>2589606
He got over when he hit the hardcore division. He did lots of hilarious, innovative things with cookie sheets and trash can lids, breathed a small bit of life into the stale hardcore shit.

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>>2589573
Jeff Jarret. If anyone ever asks if there was a person who wasn't over during a particular period of time or in an angle the answer is always Jeff Jarret. Regardless if he was involved or not, I guarantee that at what ever moment of time you are asking about that Jeff Jarret, where ever he is at the time, is not over. Pic related, its Jeff Jarret.

>>2589647
But his guitar...

also if hes unemployable why does he always have a job?

>>2589661
His dad was a major factor in that.

there's lots of shit if you actually go back and watch it

the borequas (sp?) immediately come to mind and they were a team forever

rikishi fucking SUCKED before Too Cool

>>2589573
Test.

>>2589684
Test got pops around the time of the Stephanie storyline.....but by the time he teamed up with Albert he was done

The Godfather. He wasn't over, the prostitutes were over.

>>2589698
didn't he have a couple gimmicks before that that didn't work?

>>2589693
dude. he was nowhere near the level of even Val Venis at that time. never over.

>>2589594
Holly was not over, nobody paid a fucking cent to watch Holly. Being over isn't getting pops.

>>2589730
You're a retard. Draws =/= over

>>2589739
No, you're the actual retard. Being over means drawing money,that's the literal definition of it. You get over to draw money.

Not my fault if you internet wrestling geniuses wanna come up with a different definition for it.

>>2589752
>Being over means drawing money
No, you are an actual fucking retard. Over means live crowd reaction, drawing is something different you absolute shitter.

>>2589752
>>2589730

Literally google what you're arguing about.

18+, etc

>>2589757
You cannot be this much of a fucking mark.
You get over to draw money. That's the entire goal of wrestling, making money. And you draw money by getting over. The more over you are, the more money you make. It's not rocket science.

Do you know anything about wrestling, other than shiposting on message boards?

>>2589752
Over = being booed as a heel, cheered as a face, generally getting a reaction

Draw = worth paying money to see

Kevin Owens for example is over, but not a draw. Brock Lesnar is over and a draw. You can be over but not be a draw.

>>2589768
You are clearly fucking new because you're taking decades old terms and changing the fucking meanings you absolute prick.

>>2589768
Holy fuck anon, google is your friend

>>2589768
>>2589752
>>2589730
>When you spend an entire day on Reddit and think you're all clued up

>>2589763
Yeah, whatever you say Mike Sharpe. That's why this business is fucked up, because of marks like you dumbfucks that think googling wrestling concepts written by other marks is what the concepts actually mean.

>>2589698
Bullshit go re watch his WM2000 entrance

>>2589768

>Draw
>A wrestler or program that attracts the attention of the audience; someone fans are willing to pay to see. Derived from the term "drawing money", meaning the wrestler makes money for the promotion

>Over
>One definition describes it as being popular with the audience. Another definition describes it as achieving the desired reaction from the fans. Babyfaces who are over will be cheered, and heels who are over will be booed. Sometimes particular aspects of a performer's presentation may be over (such as a specific move they perform or their ring entrance) without the performer themselves being considered over.

Hate to dust off an old chestnut, but "wew lad"

>>2589781
>When you say something so fucking stupid that you have to back off and blame the entire internet for being wrong

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>>2589768
>he doesn't know the difference between over and draw

>>2589788
OK genius.

What's a jobber?

Let's see how accurate your google definitions are.

>>2589703
Yes, he was Papa Shango who was actually over for a brief time

>>2589796
Google it yourself you stupid cunt. Let me guess, a jobber is a low drawing un over wrestler in your eyes? Lol fucking retard mark

>>2589805
No. I was just looking forward to you telling me that a jobber is

>A professional wrestler who routinely loses a match

Which is not what a jobber is. But that's what google says it is. So what is a jobber, Mr wrasslin' concepts?

>>2589813
>Jobber
>A wrestler who routinely loses in order to build the credibility of other wrestlers; referred to as "enhancement talent"

Lol the absolute state of your life.

Lets hear it then, whats the secret meaning of "Jobber" from the actual wrestling fans, retard

>>2589813
>Google is wrong! I am an authority on wrestling terms
State of your life m8

>>2589820
Oh wow, you actually think a jobber is a guy that loses. A jobber is just a guy that gets booked to get talent over, regardless if he wins or loses, but isn't paid in relation to how many tickets were sold, instead is paid a previously agreed on sum of money to work. That's why he's a jobber, because he gets paid like it's a regular job, not because of how successful the house was.

>>2589850
>>2589820
>order to build the credibility of other wrestlers; referred to as "enhancement talent"
State of your life

>>2589850
>Whats a jobber?
>This
>No, actually its (same thing but in a roundabout way with a history on the term, for no reason)

Lol you are mad as fuck

>>2589855
you didn't get it, did you? The term has more to do with the fact that his pay has no correlation to the show's drawing ability and more with the fact that he's paid the same amount of money regardless if the show drew 10 thousand people or 10 people, unlike the other talent on the card.

But if you didn't even knew that and think a jobber is a guy that loses is considered enhancement talent to get other talent over, what's the point of arguing further. This is why wrestling people hate smarks. Because of stupid shit like that.

>>2589869
No, you don't get it. You're a retard.

What the term means =/= how the term got its name. You are an absolute retard who didn't know the difference between over and draw, as proven. Neck yourself.

>>2589869
Think about what you're saying, relate it to the OP

Did people pay to see a mannequin head? No. Did they pop for it? Yes.

Same for the scales? The mop?

Yes?

Good. You get it now.

>>2589869
Anon youre trying SO fucking hard to sound like an old school wrestler where the money was all that mattered. Nobody paid to see McFollys sock, but they sure popped for it (Sock=over) And you can say McFolly was a draw since people would say to see him (Folly=draw).

You see nobody paid to see godfather or val venus but they definitely were over

>BASED anon working the smarks into a shoot with his stupidity
GOAT gimmick

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>>2589573

This guy

> no, that's not Jinder Mahal

>>2589906
but is he a draw or just over?

>>2589647
My brother and I really liked WCW Jarrett

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GOAT ERA

>>2589929
Well I guess somebody has too. Even The New Rockers had a fan or two somewhere.

>>2589609
Molly Holly?

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>a cheese hat was over
>SHIT was over
>the ho train was over
>a tiny cowboy hat was over

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>tfw the first hour of Raw was filled with smoke from all the pyro

>>2589929
I loved that Jarrett too. "Slapnuts" should've been more over.

>>2590276
>an eyebrow was over

>>2589573
X-Pac

>>2591994
X-Pac Heat was post-Attitude

>>2592021
No, it was the tail end of Attitude. Attitude only really ended when Cena debuted.

>>2592027
Shut up, fuck off, kill yourself.

>>2592021
Anything after WM17 shouldn't count as attitude era

To be fair, right now a clipboard is over, but it seems like no wrestler is actually over. it's fucking bonkers considering the talent pool they have.

>>2592076
WWE doesn't want its guys over.

They want "the brand" to get over.

>>2589573
I bet you they couldn't get Mitch the plant over like uncle deano did

>>2592091

So that's why they push Roman then, since he's the face of the company, it's either him or no one.

>>2589598
Thank you m8 you gave us the exact career retrospect of Hardcore holly. No need to get to Sparky Plug though, the aids remains to this day.

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>>2589661
Do I really need to get to the whole 5000 guitars broke but 0 dimes drawn segment?

>>2592108
Roman is pushed because he's the face of the company
Roman is the face of the company because he's pushed

>>2592127
The only thing Grahametty ever drew was a bullet to his brain

>>2592127
Reminder this guy killed himself not long after he begged Jeff for a job.

>>2592136
>>2592139
Op here now thats a fucking kek.

>>2592076
It ain't a coincidence that the guy who got that over is firmly from the AE.

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if everybody is over then isn't nobody over?

>>2592326
>if everybody is over then isn't nobody over?
no.

Even though damn near everyone (or everything) was over (except Jarret who has never been over), there are levels of overness.