What is it exactly that made HBK so much better than Ziggler?

>>2541945
doing it first but also the Names,Stop start booking

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>in-ring skill
>actual charisma
>knows when and where to sell properly
>didn't copy a legendary wrestler in an obvious way

>>2541945
Originality, better mic skills, better in ring worker, better look, charisma as a heel.

HBK fucked Vince to get a push

>>2541950
This.

>>2541945
his era was even shittier than modern WWE as impossible as it seems

he was just pretending to be a fag

>>2541972
>"""""pretending"""""

>>2541945
Ziggler us pure trash and should retire immediately. His match with Nakamura will be forgettable and predictable.

>>2541945
talent, charisma and mic skills

When there's an originator, you watch as an audience and think "where will he go next with this?"

When it is blatantly obvious a guy is imitating someone else, you watch while thinking "Well, the originator did THIS next, so that is probably where this is headed."

Even if the mimic does something difference, you don't have that expectation of seeing anything new from him. It doesn't work.

He just suck, no matter what gimmick he does.

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Well for one HBK sounded like an honest-to-god manly male, seriously, one of the most iconic voices in wrestling history and doesn't sound like a geek going through puberty.

Let's not even get into the in-ring work and charisma/look because then it just gets sad. Stop comparing both just because Zigg uses the superkick and flops around like HBK during the Hogan match for EVERY match.

>>2541945
everything

>>2542062
HBK sounds like Aiden English

>>2541945
Ziggler is unironically a bigger draw than HBK ever was.

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>>2542084

Chris Jericho said better when people compared him with HBK: Why being the new HBK when you can be the first Y2J?

>>2541945
HBK got pushed cuz.. you know why.

>>2541945
He isn't.

>>2541945
He had talent, charisma and mic skills dolph can roleplay hbk all he wants but he wont be able to get those. Thats why HBK has only appeared with a handful of guys with his one off appearances.

>>2541945
Talent and charisma.

>>2541945
The gimmick wasn't done better 30 years ago when HBK did it.

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>>2542874
In HBK's case it was more like 50

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>>2542062
>anything about hbk was manly

HBK
>Best worker ever
>Charisma
>Looks
>Good mic skills

Ziggler is/was a good seller and somewhat good looking, really only comparisons

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Dolph is being held down by backstage politics.
Hes 3x the entertainer Sean will ever be.
I guess Dolph just has too much pride as a man to allow Vince to stick it up his butt unlike a certain someone..

>>2542084
HBK didn't draw a single dime in his career and he STILL drew more dimes than Ziggler.

>>2541945

Playgirl

>>2541945
no gag reflex

Ziggler didn't have anyone to put him over

>>2542962
Zigglers selling looks silly. Good selling looks real. I know wrestling is fake but if was a real honest sport how would it look. MMA has a logic to it. Wrestling has a identity crisis. As a fan I have a hard time describing what's good wrestling because it's been so long since I've seen some

>>2543109
Shawns a wrestling guy. He's not going to be the draw he's going to be the guy facing the draw. Zigglers barley a mid carder. The only time he was good was when he had big e as his muscle and aj as his bitch

>>2541945

Originality.

HBK is an incredible in-ring storyteller with a lot of exciting moves and Ziggler is a spot monkey with a lot of exciting moves.

>>2541950
Pretty much this.

"I'm (other guy)" doesn't do much for your career.

>>2541945
It wasn't 30 years outdated when HBK did it