cena haters BTFO

>>2235581
No Cena haters here

is there a list of draws?
anything i try to find on the internet gives me money made throughout their lives, including movies and stuff

>cena haters

The only cena haters left are middle aged """""men"""" who scream into a webcam for an hour and get angry at a scripted fake fighting childrens TV show. Everyone else realizes he's up there with Hogan/Austin/Rock

Same guy who said konan was the biggest draw of the 90s

>>2235603
Based Konnan working this mark into a shoot.

>>2235605
All he does is talk about Rey, he works himself into a shoot on the daily and can't get employed by anyone. Him and disco inferno were paid in ramen noodles to shit post on wrestlezone years ago.

>>2235664
cyrus and lance burying disco inferno on their podcast every week is fucking funny

>>2235603
literally who?

>>2235603
Thats just because he number crunched with each decade as cut off points. Rocky and Stone Cold were far, far bigger draws but only at the end of the 90s.

It'd be interesting to know who's the 5th, considering that the other 3 are obvious..

>>2237691
5th is roman reigns, this can't be argued. though he'll easily be number one in the next few years

>>2235602
He is up there with The Rock, but not Austin and Hogan.

>>2237410
Exactly
>the state of Meltzeretty

Cena only really got that way because of how long he has been pushed. If any other wrestler was pushed like he was for that long, literally any wrestler can get to that top 5.

>>2235602
18+, you dumb bitch. The people these days who act like "Cena doesn't actually suck" are the young kids who used to cheer for him 24/7, but are now grown up. None of you "nobody hates Cena" guys were of a mature enough age when Cena was at his absolute worst. It's that nostalgia that blinds all the young-ins to think that "he's good now."

Lets not forget that everything that Cena has done that's "great" in the recent years, Cena himself is usually the worst thing involved. Match against AJ Styles at the Rumble? Who kept saying his moves loud as fuck and no sold a finisher?

US Open Challenge? Who buried various different moves of other superstars?

Promos where he "wrecks" the other guy? Who else gets such freedom to pull as much hypocritical garbage out of his ass as Cena does?

Vs Punk? Yeah, rest holds truly are amazing, aren't they?

Admit it, you guys are the baby ass Cena marks that think that the shitty overrated wrestler of your generation is somehow not as bad as the guys who have been watching for far longer with more experience say he is.

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>18+, you dumb bitch. The people these days who act like "Cena doesn't actually suck" are the young kids who used to cheer for him 24/7, but are now grown up. None of you "nobody hates Cena" guys were of a mature enough age when Cena was at his absolute worst. It's that nostalgia that blinds all the young-ins to think that "he's good now."
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>Lets not forget that everything that Cena has done that's "great" in the recent years, Cena himself is usually the worst thing involved. Match against AJ Styles at the Rumble? Who kept saying his moves loud as fuck and no sold a finisher?
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>US Open Challenge? Who buried various different moves of other superstars?
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>Promos where he "wrecks" the other guy? Who else gets such freedom to pull as much hypocritical garbage out of his ass as Cena does?
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>Vs Punk? Yeah, rest holds truly are amazing, aren't they?
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>Admit it, you guys are the baby ass Cena marks that think that the shitty overrated wrestler of your generation is somehow not as bad as the guys who have been watching for far longer with more experience say he is.

>>2237754
SEETHING

>>2237756
>still using fedora meme
Certainly not 18+ GTFO, kid!

>>2237758
>being so delusional about Cena that they think I am seething, not the nostalgia that has poisoned their minds

>>2237754
This is platinum mad.

>>2237754
He was pushed that hard BECAUSE he was a huge draw you mongoloid, not the other way around.

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>>2237762
this dude so mad lol
B-BUT MUH FEELINGS TOWARDS CENA ARE NOT GOOD

>>2237762

>cena living in this dumbshit's head rent-free as he continues to SEETHE

>muh draws
>muh dimes
>muhrch

>>2237480
>in denial

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>>2237754
>>2237762

1900 - 1909: 1. Frank Gotch; 2. George Hackenschmidt

1910 - 1919: 1. Joe Stecher; 2. Ed "Strangler" Lewis; 3. Frank Gotch; 4. Wladek Zbyszko; 5. Stanislaus Zbyszko; 6. Jim Londos; 7. Great Gama, George Hackenschmidt, George Lurich, Charlie Cutler

1920 -1929: 1. Ed "Strangler" Lewis; 2. Jim Londos; 3. John Pesek; 4. Joe Stecher and Stanislaus Zbyszko; 6. Earl Caddock; 7. Gus Sonnenberg; 8. Ray Steele; 9. Dick Shikat; 10. Wayne Munn

1930 - 1939: 1. Jim Londos; 2. Everett Marshall; 3. Dick Shikat and Ed Don George; 5. Ed "Strangler" Lewis and Vincent Lopez; 7. Gus Sonnenberg; 8. Man Mountain Dean; 9. Danno O'Mahoney; 10. Ray Steele

1940 - 1949: 1. Bill Longson; 2. Lou Thesz; 3. Whipper Billy Watson; 4. Yvon Robert; 5. Gorgeous George; 6. Sandor Szabo and Wlasislow Talum; 8. Buddy Rogers; 9. Maurice "French Angel" Tillet; 10. Frank Sexton

1950 - 1959: 1. Argentina Rocca; 2. Lou Thesz; 3. Killer Kowalski; 4. Buddy Rogers; 5. Whipper Billy Watson; 6. Rikidozan; 7. El Santo; 8. Verne Gagne and Edouard Carpentier; 10. Wilbur Snyder

1960 - 1969: 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. Gene Kiniski; 3. Dick the Bruiser; 4. Johnny Valentine; 5. Lou Thesz; 6. Buddy Rogers; 7. Giant Baba; 8. Ray Stevens; 9. Bobo Brazil; 10. Fritz Von Erich

1970 - 1979: 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. The Sheik; 3. Superstar Billy Graham; 4. Andre the Giant; 5. Pedro Morales; 6. Harley Race; 7. The Crusher; 8. Dory Funk Jr. and Ernie Ladd; 10. Dick the Bruiser

1980 - 1989: 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Ric Flair; 3. Andre the Giant; 4. Bob Backlund; 5. Randy Savage; 6. Road Warriors; 7. Antonio Inoki; 8. Roddy Piper; 9. Harley Race, Sgt. Slaughter, Paul Orndorff

1990 - 1999: 1. Konnan; 2. Shinya Hashimoto; 3. Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair; 5. Perro Aguayo; 6. Keiji Muto; 7. Undertaker; 8. Bret Hart; 9. Steve Austin; 10. Nobuhiko Takada

2000 - 2009: 1. HHH; 2. Mistico; 3. John Cena; 4. The Rock; 5. Perro Aguayo Jr.; 6. Kurt Angle; 7. Ultimo Guerrero; 8. Randy Orton; 9. Kenta Kobashi and Chris Benoit

>>2239161
>In looking at the biggest drawing cards in pro wrestling history, we decided to look at things on a decade-by-decade level. In the past we've done this looking at total shows drawing more than 10,000 on top during a decade (or added points for each multiple of 10,000). And while every system has flaws, this one can reward someone who may have had one great feud, or was a huge draw but not over a long period of time, over someone who was more consistently drawing.

>In addition, a lot changes in society over a ten year period and that affects wrestling. There are ups and downs, based on economy, technology and other factors. By awarding ten points for the leading draw during a year, nine for second, etc., it rewards consistency at the top level. It takes out mitigating factors in the sense whoever was the big draw of a year where things weren't as good due to economic patterns, or over the last 60 years, based on how television has changed things, will somewhat be evened out.

>The big flaw in this system is it rewards people whose prime years fit better within the framework of a decade. For example, if you were a big star from 1970 to 1979, you'll do well in that decade. But if you were a big star who hit your stride in 1976, through 1983, you'll not fare as well in either decade. But this system isn't looking at negating people who don't perfectly fit in as much as noting where people stood who did. We've already compiled all-time lists for wrestling history. When it comes to consistently drawing over a long period of time, the all-time top ten are Jim Londos, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thesz, Wild Bill Longson, Hulk Hogan, Ed Strangler Lewis, Argentina Rocca, Ric Flair, Buddy Rogers and Joe Stecher. While Steve Austin at his peak was the biggest drawing card in pro wrestling history, his number of years at that peak were far shorter than those ranked above him.

Dave Meltzer has compiled a lost of the top 54 biggest draws in WWE history based on gates/ratings the wrestlers drew as main eventers.(list made between 08-09)


1. BRUNO SAMMARTINO

2. HULK HOGAN

3. BOB BACKLUND

4. ARGENTINA ROCCA

5. HHH

6. UNDERTAKER

7. STEVE AUSTIN (Undertaker and HHH have passed him in recent years since he finished his career in 2003. Had he not retired at the age of 38 due to injuries, as well as missed what probably would have been his biggest drawing year in 1999 with neck surgery, he would have been No. 2 on this list by now. Nobody ever in company history was a bigger drawing card or merchandise seller then he was at his peak.)

8. THE ROCK

9. PEDRO MORALES

10. SHAWN MICHAELS

11. SUPERSTAR BILLY GRAHAM

12. MIGUEL PEREZ

13. BRET HART

14. BUDDY ROGERS

15. RANDY SAVAGE

16. JOHN CENA

17. KURT ANGLE

18. MICK FOLEY aka CACTUS JACK, DUDE LOVE, MANKIND

19. ANDRE THE GIANT

20. DR. JERRY GRAHAM

>>2239161
> flair
> undercarder

> all above bret
Le meltz is such a fucking hack

>>2239175
So Vince and le Meltz have said Austin is the biggest draw ever

why does /asp still debate it?

>>2239259
Vince said that Austin is the biggest in WWF/E history which is a fact

The argument is that Hogan drew in three other companies and did so for almost fifteen more years

>>2239263
yeah Hogan is a bigger draw long term but Austin is the biggest at his peak which is the more important measurement

Hogan killed two companies by hogging the spotlight

>>2239269
Dixie was a far bigger problem than Hogan, if you notice he doesn't really get badmouthed about that run from the people who were they and they shit on Dixie instead

>>2239271
Hogan getting the job then hiring all his buddies is why TNA lost all it's money

>>2239269
>Hogan killed two companies by hogging the spotlight

Why does he get the blame and not the people above him?

Bischoff was a complete mark for him and would have probably killed his family if Hogan said to do it. Coincidentally, he was there for both the WCW and TNA runs. He deserves far more blame for getting repeatedly worked by Hogan and buying his bullshit

>>2239273
TNA was doomed from the start, if you can find me one person besides Steiner who was there during that run who blames hogan I'd be impressed.

>>2239275
Because people like eric and remember him as one of the few good GMs on RAW from when they were kids. What they don't remember is how him joining the nwo was the beginning of the end and he spent his entire time at wcw desperately trying to be "one of the boys"

Scott Hall calls him eazy e because of how easy he was to manipulate

>>2239275
People make fun of dixie but eric is literally the biggest money mark of all time.

>>2239183

No one outside of Canada ever gave a fuck about The Shitman

>>2240368
Hi HBGay

>>2240368
Post timestamped birth certificate now

>>2237754
Lose weight

>>2237861
>Lex Cena

>>2243653
>>2243656
Vince literally couldn't afford to keep Bret because views and buyrates during Brets reign were in the gutter. He had to defer payment on Brets contract.

>>2243684
Nice meme.
Every single time bret was champ buyrates and tv ratings went steadily up, go look at the figures. It was Shawn, Diesel and Carder that were ratings cancer
Bret also created the Attitude Era which saved the company, something Shawn tried his hardest to bury

>>2243689
>Bret also created the Attitude Era

{Citation required}

>>2243715
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FxCDDlSw9-A

This is even ignoring the fact that Bret singlehandedly made Austin the superstar he was at WM13

> inb4 muh KOTR 3 16 speech
Austin was wrestling dark matches with Savio Vega before Bret handpicked him to feud with

>>2237754
Great post, fuck Cena.

>>2243715
He did. The entire attitude era began when he through a hissyfit in the ring when they were dismantaling the cage and said everything was bullshit

>>2237754
> when wew invades
Go back

>>2243728
Dumb samefag

>>2240368
It was everyone outside of the USA, not no one outside Canada. That was basically his gimmick of heel in america, face everywhere else.
Not to argue whatever the overall arguement about Bret was (only skimming thread and can't be arsed to comb through to find out). But To say only Canada cared is false.*

*Still only a drop in the ocean compared to how big Hulkamania was around the globe though.

test

>>2235581
The dude that pretty much carried the company on his back for over a decade isn't a top 5 draw?

I don't even think the biggest of cucks would deny that.

>>2237691
Id say Goldberg

>>2239273
TNA going on the road was what lost them all their money

>>2235603
>/asp/ praises meltz for gook match ratings
>does the opposite for mainstream wrestling
A real hipster

>>2235602
Those three each caused a huge wrestling boom, Cena never did. He was just booked as the top guy for 10 of the most uneventful years ever.