What happened to Austin around this time? Obviously Hogan and

>>2122786
he didn't want to wrestle hogan so they went to their second choice, The Rock.

What happened was that he was turned into a midcarder feuding with Eddie Guerrero and the Big Show. Then he went home and beat his wife

>>2122787

Talk about a backfire for stevetty

based Rock had the confidence in himself to go against GOAT Hogan, and created a GOAT match.

The Shitman told Steve lies about the Hulkster so he turned down the match

Hogan
>Biggest draw of all time

Rock
>Highest grossing champion of the attitude era

Stevetty
>Guy who was in the right place at the right time

Yeah, I wonder who they'd pick for a high profile match.

>>2122786
Austin was always a midcarder at heart and Hogan's return exposed that

>>2122829
I know you're trying to incite a reaction, but you're sort of right. The way Rock got over was completely organic, would have worked anywhere at any time, given that same freedom. Austin's push was much more constructed, spending an entire year building him as a face before he won the belt, and sticking him against McMahon fresh off the heels of the Montreal screwjob.

There was no competition threatening him anymore, so Vince only had to push what he wanted.

And now you know why the last 15+ years of WWE have blown ass.

>>2122901
Austin wasn't even supposed to get over as babyface.

Even at Stone Cold's peak Vince did not understand why he was popular.

>>2122950
Steve needed Vince more than Vince needed Steve

>>2122956
If it weren't for Steve Austin there would've been no WWF by the turn of the millennium.

>>2122999
Nah, anyone could be in Steve's spot.

Rock was the real draw.

>>2123005
That would explain why the WWF tanked throughout the 90s until Austin showed up.

No more (you)s unless you earn them.

>>2123020

18+ based Bret and HBK were drawing dimes before Austin came along

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As bad as the booking for that match/feud was, and also Austin's own actions (refusing the Hogan, later quitting)...

...it was the right thing to give the top/title spots to someone else. Austin won the title at 3 or the past 4 Manias, (probably would have been 4 if not for injury), and had been the #1 guy throughout the whole of 2001. There was some Austin fatigue as well as the feeling that others deserved a chance.

It just shouldn't have been Triple H as a forced babyface though. Imagine Jericho-Angle. Obviously one of them would have needed to be a babyface but that was doable with some forward thinking. Maybe keep Angle as the hero who saved the WWF back in November as a babyface, keep Austin heel. Vengeance could still have played out as it did, with Angle challenging at Mania.

Angle deserved it at that point, he'd proven he could carry the belt since 2000, and Jericho deserved proper booking as the undisputed champion instead of what he received.

>>2123040
drawing so many dimes WWF nearly went bankrupt

>>2123075
>There was some Austin fatigue as well as the feeling that others deserved a chance.

You're gonna need to provide a source on this.

>keep Austin heel

Are you high?

>>2123075
t. Cuck angle

Gaytch returning at msg is a bigger pop than Cuck angle ever got in his life, he got a big pop winning the rumble too. He was over before Hogan showed up and the fans made him the number one face

>>2123103
Hogans reign tanked the ratings and buyrates even more, its all Toronto s fault

>>2123105
That's false, the buys were up from previous year at backlash (the next PPV)

Once Undercarder was put in the title picture the buys fell at judgement day and then king of the ring. And when Rock was back the next month and took the belt off him buys were up from the previous year

>>2122827
Who wins the tag team battle of the GOATs?

Bret and Steve vs Hogan and Rocky

>>2123114
Bret would take the pin from a people's elbow while Hogan and Austin fight outside

>>2123118
nah Austin would give Bret a stunner and walk out

>>2123114
The Young Bucks

>>2123114
Bret and Steve because the other 3 are assholes who refuse to job. So obviously Rock would be the only one to volunteer to get pinned.

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REMINDER

Hogan
>face of hulkamania
>basically the reason Wrestlemania exists today
>top guy in WWF
>top guy in WCW
>revolutionised the business with the nWo, started the attitude era
>returned to WWE and was top guy straight away
>never in the midcard
>still the most recognisable wrestler ever

Rock
>highest grossing top guy of all time in 2000
>was a bigger star than Austin in his prime
>highest grossing hollywood actor in the world today
>drew the highest buyrate of any Wrestlemania ever at wrestlemania 28
>despite being a much beloved face, still turned heel and got everyone against him showing how based he is
>never afraid of putting people over - put the fucking hurricane over
>despite putting people over and helping build the business, was always in the main event picture.

Stevetty
>jobber in WCW
>spent four years as a midcarder in WWE
>drew big in 1998 - only really because Hogan and the nWo created the right situation for him
>injury prone
>outdrawn by the Rock
>terrified of losing his spot - didn't do business with hogan or lesnar
>unlike Rock who was a GOAT heel or Hogan who changed the business with his heel turn, Stevetty's heel turn killed the attitude era
>only one out of himself, Rock and Hogan to be sent back to the midcard to feud with the likes of Big Show and Scott Hall
>got worked so hard by Hogan and his new status as a midcarder that he took his ball and went home like a crybaby
>not recognisable at all today - only one of the three who has to leech of WWE and do podcasts to get paid. Even Cena is more well known.

Steve wanted Hogan I thought?

I know he didn't want to job to Lesnar on free tv which is why he quit

>>2123194
Hi Terrence

Hype fell off a cliff
Best his wife
Shortly after refused to put over young talent in Lesnar

Stone Cold is like Bruce Willis. We all remember him being cool as fuck but in real life he's a fucking cunt.

>>2122999
I'm a huge Austin mark, but thats plainly false. Attitude Era would still have happened, and they simply would have went for a different guy as the face of it. That guy probably would have been HHH. He was supposed to win the 96 KOTR after all, but of course the curtain call incident made them hand it to Austin instead.

HHH is no where as magnetic as Austin of course, but of course The Rock was on the horizon.

Would be a harder task without Austin? Of course, but Attitude and the eventual excellent talent they had by the turn of the millenium makes it incredibly likely that they would have won the Monday night wars regardless.

>people think The Rock was the draw and not Austin

Stop.

The Rock rode the wave of Austin -- as did the rest of the WWF.

While The Rock did overtake Austin eventually. the Attitude Era would NOT HAVE BEEN AS POPULAR without Austin heading it.

The Rock was still developing and helped by Austin.

>>2123461
The Rock being "on the horizon" is a future prospect while Austin was the NOW product. HHH wasn't near A-player level talent to carry the Attitude Era -- Michaels possibly could have, but Austin led the charge, period.

Qualifying that you're an Austin mark doesn't mean you can't be wrong.

>>2123514
>The Rock rode the wave of Austin
>highest drawing WWE Championship of all time

What did the Austinetty mark mean by this?

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All this
"Who was the Janetty between Austin and Rock?"
makes me think that in the end they really should have made it as The Rock who ran over Stone Cold. Go through all the mystery, but come back to suspect #1, and of course it was indeed him. Benefitted the most, etc. It would half- bring real life into the storyline, and Rock as the heel in the Wrestlemania rematch might have led to a much more interesting outcome and rest of 2001...

>>2123573
But, that's wrong. The Undertaker was the champion during the highest-rated RAW of all time.

Stone Cold was the champ right before and after that.

Sorry, Rocketty mark.

>>2123573
Stone cold started the attitude era, if Rock came along after HBK and Bret record lows would he draw as well as he did?

>>2124167
>highest drawing means one night

If you go by that then the highest drawing wwe champ is hogan, hogan vs Andre rematch did a 15.2 rating and 33 million viewers on NBC

>>2124186
Everyone already knows that HulKKK Hogan is the GOAT so people just debate second place

>>2122901
This is the dumbest thing that I have ever read. To this day, Vince has no idea how Austin got so over. His push was nowhere near as constucted, he was a tweener for most of 97', he was just so good that people kept cheering him.

The Rock won the Intercontinental Title, two months in. Was overpushed, to the point that people were chanting "Die Rocky Die." He didn't start coming on his own until late 97- early 98, but even then, he was still featured heavily. They (correctly) saw something in him, so they kept putting him in benneficial positions.

>>2124809
This Rock was Vince's chosen one from the day he entered the company

>>2123194
Hi Terry I'm a big fan

>>2124818
Exactly, Austin himself, has said that he was brought in to be a technician, because he was a better wrestler before the neck injury. They didn't see much in Austin, until the Bret feud.

>>2124192
Sulk Chokin sunk wcw. Based Steve and rock drew more dimes than hogan ever dreamed of

>>2124833
Hogan killed WCW just like Austin killed the business turning heel

Meanwhile The Rock is drawing billions at the box office

>>2124839
the Rock only got a chance in Hollywood because of diversity quotas