I think most of us can agree that submissions in general are

Liontamer

>>1912901
Liontamer

Asuka literally used the Ankle Lock this past week.

>>1912901
Submissions are great, it's just that today's charisma vacuum jobbers can't sell for shit so they make them look like ass.

bank statement

>>1912901
Crossface chickenwing is great.
>ankle lock
>rare
Asuka uses it all the time. The problem with submissions is that you have people struggle in them for ridiculous lengths of time before escaping. They look weak as shit. A submission should be a tap out within 10 seconds once it's fully locked in.

Bear hug?

>>1912901
I think the main issue with submissions is how rarely they are tapped to. Clean pins are rare enough, especially at the top of the card, and tapping out is clearly (and wrongly) seen as a burial. Then you get stupid shit like Ryback-level wrestlers passing out instead of submitting.

Thinking about it, most of the newer guys don't even have submissions, or at least not finishers. Shield/Owens/Zayn/Neville/Balor/New Day/Bray etc.

I...I think it might be the women keeping it alive, lads. And Rusev.

>>1912931

It was refreshing when Del Rio debuted and he was tapping people out with the cross armbreaker in about 4 seconds.

Sharpshooter when done by Bretman, Owen and Family Man Chris Benoit. Everyone else sucks at putting it on especially the Vigilante Sting and The Dwayne

>>1912988

Sami has the Koji Clutch but he's barely done it since NXT.

>>1912901
Have sex pinhead

>>1912901
18+

>>1912993
it was alwats great to see how he set it up too

>>1912995
Did people tap to it, or was it just Blue Thunderbomb-tier?

>>1913014
it was basically a second finisher and people did tap

>>1912993
And how Lesnar's kimura was basically treated like death before le suplex city meme took over

A lot of subs are used in puro but the best sub imo is the simple chokehold. I thought it was a filler move used just to call spots and hulk up off but the way MiSu and Shibata use it changed my mind. MiSu looking like an absolute sadist taking joy in choking the life out of his opponent while Shibata chokes them out, sits them down then runs off the ropes and punts them.

Chokeholds and cranks should be used more.

Arm bar.

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>>1912901
>called it the ankle lock before when shamrock used it
>obviously a toe hold

>>1912988
American Alpha use the Ankle Lock in big matches.

Revival have some cool Figure-4 variations as well.

>>1912988
I've been watching 1998 WCW because I'm interested in Jerichos heel run right before he went to WWF, and one thing I've noticed is how much more often people used to tap to submission holds. I'd say on any one Nitro card of 7-8 matches you'd have about 1-3 submissions. I think once MMA rose to popularity it made tapping look weak.

>>1912901
This thread stinks of wew

> armbar
> ankle lock
> good
Stopped reading there

>>1912901
I always skip Kyle O'Reilly, Zack Sabre Jr and other submission wrestlers matches.

They are going as fuck.

>>1914745
Boring not going.

>>1914745
O'Reilly is good though. Sabre can fuck off.

>>1914745
>>1914747
>not watching KOR
>can't spell

Dumb-as-fuck shit taste pleb.

>>1912901
>I think most of us can agree that submissions in general are the cancer that is killing wrestling
Yup, I didn't watch the last ep of CWC because Perkins won all his matches with a submission.

Submissions only work when they are done immediately following a power move, and even then they are a weak looking finish.

>>1912901
>they either don't look painful or look like they are they should be easily escaped.

and this is somehow better than lying on the ground in a fake stupor waiting for the fatass you're wrestling to climb the turnbuckle, motion to the crowd for two minutes and then do an elbow drop? Professional wrestling is so fucking garbage I don't know how anyone watches it. If you do then please kill yourself