Not a dime

>>1808916
>was never champion

>>1808919
Because he's such a no draw

>>1808882
Why was he ever given the WCW championship?
Why was he ever given the IC title?
He didn't even deserve to be TNA champion

>>1808922
there is no evidence, just your opinion. means nothing.

>>1808926
>livid

>>1808928
>btfo

>>1808930
>sobbing

Daniel Bryan

>>1808945

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_77624.shtml#.V-Z4zjV-bTo

Reigns
Nash
Rey
Ambrose
Del Rio

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>>1808959

>pwtorch

Honest question here. How can they tell who draws besides the very obvious draws this industry has had such as Hogan, Cena, Austin, etc?

Wouldn't it be hard to actually know who the big draws are if you have a certain wrestler on your roster that draws so well that he overshadows everyone else? I'm guessing only very few wrestlers can make the claim that they were a draw.

>>1808891
This

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>>1809008

Yeah it's hard to be a draw in a business thats dying.

It's more of a territory days thing.

>>1809008
Yeah you look at PPV buys and see that Batista was a huge draw

>>1809008

Ratings when they're at the top and/or merch sales.

>>1809016
>merch sales

In this case we can safely say New Day are a draw where as the other tag teams aren't.

>>1809019

They are, or at least were. They've been dropping recently.

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>>1808959
>The report reveals one of the worst pay-per-view buy numbers in WWE history for the Battleground pay-per-view at 114,000 buys. The first Battleground pay-per-view featured Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton.

>pwtorch

Why didn't Jarrett main even a wrestlemania?
He was red hot in the late 90's

>>1808926
See
>>1809459

>>1809026

>>1808882
Fuck off!!
Jarrett was a moderate to good draw.
Definitely not the likes of Austin or the rock but definitely better than Ambrose or Sheamus

>>1809662
Hi Jeff!

>>1809662
> !!
Fuck off back to wew

>>1808925
He booked himself to win the NWA champion obviously

>>1808964
>Rey
Have sex, you loser
Preferably with men, you autist faggot

>>1808882
Honestly, does anyone think Jarrett was any good except for himself?

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>>1809033
>vs. Randy Orton
You don't say!

>>1809826
All memes aside he was a fine wrestler.

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>>1808964
I appreciate the impartiality at least

>>1808891
this is actually false...I know at least 3 girls who are dating dudes who like wrestling that say that they watch just because they like Becky.

>>1809558

Said literally no one ever

>>1809836
Women don't matter

>>1809844
He was kayfabe good..
Having held the IC belt the most times at one point.
He was ready for a jump to the main event scene but he was greedy and held vince up for money and burnt all bridged to WWE.
He was a huge star in WCW, bigger than Steiner and DDP. However WCW suiceded before he could reach his full potential of hogan/Austin level

>>1809858
This. If he had of gotten the push he needed, Jarrett would have sold out any building in the world

I can't imagine anyone ever buying a ticket to see Jeff Jarrett.

>>1810023
people buy tickets for current day WWE, people will pay for anything

Triple h is Jeff Jarrett with a push

Fuck that he is worse, at least Jarrett made something for himself

Prove me wrong

>>1810028
I can't.
Because it proves that Jeff isn't a draw.w

>>1809662
Don't you have some gold to sell Jeff?

>>1808916
My wife's son loves Cesaro

>>1808964
I liked Rey, one of the few to hold the cruierwait and "heavyweight" belt. I'd even argue he was a bigger draw than Eddie.

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I like him tho

>>1810027
Current day WWE is still 1,000,000 times more entertaining than Jeff Jarrett

>>1810028
HHH is a big guy with big muscles

Jarrett looks like a nerd

>>1810246
Jeff Jarrett Guitaring Mae Young and Beetlejuice is infinitely more entertaining than anything the WWE has done for years

Jarrett was the biggest draw in tna when he was there

Roman Reigns
Sheamus
Bret Hart
The Great Khali
Kevin Nash

>>1809008
Pretty easy. Analyze PPVs where they appear as opposed to not. Merchandise sales. TV ratings are often broke down to individual hours, and if there's a pop during segments with said wrestler, that's always a good sign. And with technology now you can even closely keep track of EXACTLY when someone switches off or on the Network.

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If you guys want to talk no draws let's study 2005

If I'm not mistaken, 2005 had the lowest total amount of PPV buys for a year.

I think it even had one PPV that drew like 100,000 total.

So here's the deal: study 2005's storylines and champs and you will find out who was the worst draw, and who killed wrestling

>>1813082
Cena, HHH, and Batista?

>>1813082
you're an idiot 2005 had some of the best ppv buys ever

>>1813099

Show the proof

>>1813105
im not gonna bother to waste my time with a troll like you

>If I'm not mistaken, 2005 had the lowest total amount of PPV buys

lol. i dont give a fuck what you want to believe facts are facts. bye

>>1808891
This

>>1813059
This

Slap nuts.

>>1810053

ECW house show in Canada main evented by Justin Credible vs Lance Storm was the biggest house ECW ever drew.

>>1809009
>>1813128
Kill yourself Carter

>>1813059
>roman reigns

gain height

>>1809558
Lel @ this post

>>1813078
This.

HBGay nearly killed WWF in the 90s. It's disgusting Vince pushes the narrative of him being an all time great.

Bobby Eaton

>>1813082
Lets do the math:
WWE best period was late 90's
Jeff Jarrett was there in the late 90's
Therefore Jeff Jarrett is the greatest draw of all time

>>1816438
This

>>1813581
I always thought ECWs biggest show was Anarchy Rules 99 in Chicago

>>1813531
Billy Mays was always much more popular.

Trollface, Frog and Feel Guy are the three most overrated draws on 4chan. They all have one vocal fan each, the kind that goes to every show.

>>1816801
Pepe the frog with his new gimmick of ancient Egyptian God is actually making big dimes and big rating all over the globle, truly the Hogan of memes

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>>1809033
Let's look at the card to see why it was so bad
>garbage match
>average match
>garbage match
>garbage match
>amazing tag team match
>garbage match
>garbage match
>same match we had seen 20 times before and was the main event of the last PPV

Rhodes vs Shield was the best storyline of that year but it couldn't make up for the rest of that trash.

It wasn't Bryan's fault, it was terrible booking all around

>>1817876
>excuses

That's about as good as the wrestlemania 28 or 29 card and you didn't see those getting shit buys

>>1819566
>comparing Wrestle-fucking-Mania to an October card

Imagine being this utterly stupid.

>>1819569
>missing the point entirely

Those wrestlemanias weren't even close to the worst ppv buys for a wrestlemania. Battleground was the worst ever for any ppv and any ppv from october. Imagine being this dense.

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held 2 belts
drew zero dimes

Jeff Jarrett wasnt even a draw for both of his promotions lmao

>>1819576
I love D'lo he was a solid mid carder.

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Pic related.

1 fucking million less viewers because of his push.

>>1819576
OH YOU BETTA RECOGNISE D'LO BROWN

>>1819627
I hate Roman too, but you can't even meme about that.

Daniel Bryan
Chris Jericho
CM Punk
Miz
Benoit
Booker T
Randy Orton
Dean Ambrose
Seth Rollins
JBL

>>1819574
>comparing a B PPV in October to the biggest and most advertised PPV of the year which headlined WWE's two biggest draws
Really makes you think

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If me and Big Cass here had a DIME for every dime that we drew...

...then we would have ZERO DIMES

>>1819574
>>1820897
...did you even read his post?

>>1821215
Yeah I read it. Did you read mine? I already explained why that PPV did poorly, a majority of the card was boring and predictable while the main event already happened last PPV and had a decisive ending. Wrestlemania 28 and 29 could have had local jobbers in the entire card and Rock vs Cena as the main event and still would have sold like it did. Comparing Battleground 2013 to them is straight up retarded.

>>1820823
>Daniel Bryan
>Chris Jericho
>CM Punk
>Benoit

Full retard

>Dean Ambrose
>Seth Rollins
>JBL
>Miz

Okay

>>1809022
Mark Henry is actually a bigger draw than Brock.

>>1821236
He did not compare Battleground to Wrestlemania. Read the fucking post again. Your English comprehension is garbage.

>a decisive ending
>dusty finish

You must be retarded. It is clear to me you have no idea what you're talking about. 29 was a fucking repeat of the last mania. You are a literal retard. They sold because Rock and Cena are draws. Daniel Bryan and Orton are not draws. This is what this thread is about. I'm losing brain cells reading your posts.

>inb4 another fucking retarded post reply

>>1821263
>he
We know it's your post m8. Go look at the next PPV with the exact same wrestlers in the main event. Drew twice as much as battleground and drew more than the previous 3 years which had CM Punk, John Cena, and the Undertaker in the main event. No one is going to pay for the B PPV when there's an A PPV in the same month. Stop being such a retard just because you hate the manlet Bryan

>>1821466
There's no need for damage control here. You can believe what you want but that was my first post in this thread after reading your stupid ass comment while browsing the first page.

And I know you weren't watching for sure since hell in a cell featured john cena in his return in a title match. That was the draw. You've dug your hole deep enough. I'm sorry your favourite wrestler didn't draw a dime. Meltzer has all the numbers and Daniel Bryan didn't draw.

>>1821501
>>1821501
>believing anything derp meltzer says
>using him as a source

its like you want to have no credibility

>>1821523
Numbers are numbers. I don't care about meltzer's opinion even though his opinion was that Daniel Bryan didn't draw or make the company any money. If you're trying to argue concrete numbers and facts then I'll leave you be.

>>1821533
If your implying 1 person is responsible for the buy numbers on a 3-4 hour show then idk what to tell you, but then again you did cite meltzer and consider him a credible source.

Cant argue vs stupid.

>>1821501
>champion's fault when the numbers are low but champion has nothing to do with numbers when they're high
Love this meme