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What did he mean by this? 2016-09-08 11:50:26 Post No. 1724104
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Dave Meltzer on Hulk Hogan's drawing power
>Hogan was a big draw for more years than Austin. But Austin's grosses were so huge that his few years were bigger than all of Hogan's put together. The profit margin in Austin's best year was more than the total profit margin, in fact, significantly more, between 1984 and 1992, which was the entire Hogan WWE era. Just so this isn't misinterpreted. WWF profits from 1984-92 were about $40-45 million total. Best single year was $6 million. Profits were never less than $56 million each year from 98-99 through 00-01.
>Hogan's coming didn't turn WCW around. Nitro did and a roster that had more star power than any roster in history. In WCW's best year and hottest period, Goldberg was the draw. When WCW was doing those 30,000 fan Nitros, Hogan was doing one of his retirements and the company was doing its biggest house show business ever without him.
>Hogan didn't draw that well at house shows in WCW until the entire company itself was on fire, and then they were drawing with him and without him. Hogan was never close to the man when it came to WCW's big period of ratings. Goldberg and Flair moved the audience the most consistently. Hogan was good, but he was second tier with Savage.
>In WWE, his first 2-3 PPVs and first TV appearances did great for the nostalgic return. Check the ratings that year. They died after a while. I remember the week, there was a Hogan interview shortly after he'd won the title where the audience tuned out in droves. They had to get the belt from him.
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>Based Flair outdrawing Cuck Hogan
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>>1724104
>hur dur lets compare the 80's less exposed to a large audience wrestling that didn't have as much exposure as the late 90's attitude era wrestling with tv shows and much larger exposure to a larger audience and wonder why one made more money than the other
>Let's also point out that a jewish wcw version of stone cold with 3 moves was also a bigger draw than hogan because he too was around at the peak of wrestling tv viewership
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>>1724124
Hogan had plenty of exposure in the late 90s, so much exposure he killed WCW
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Hogan in the early 90s was trying to demonstrate that he was bigger than any brand.
He was proven completely wrong, but never took the reality check.
He *did* manage to take a whole bunch of casual 'Hulkamaniacs' away from WWF when he left. They were genuine drop-in casual fans who were along to watch the spectacle of the Hulkamania hype machine. When he went, they were not loyal to the company or the entertainment itself.
And they clearly didn't follow Hogan over to WCW. Look at the numbers. Meltz is, for once, not trying to spin or bullshit the facts. WCW got big when there was a volume of talent heading over there. Hogan alone did very little. But Hogan, and Hall, and Nash, and Flair and Savage, all created the sense that WCW was where it was at.
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>>1724129
He was injured almost as much as Kevin Nash was during that 98-99 time period. He barely even wrestled on TV, mostly PPV matches only and when he wasn't injured he was wresting in celebrity gimmick matches for half of that time.
Russo, Hogan, and every one else in the title picture from 2000 onward is what killed WCW.
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>>1724111
Flair was truly the GOAT, crowd more hype for him strutting in his underwear and elbow dropping the mat than anything in WWE post 2002
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>>1724124
>80s
>Less exposed
18+. NWA was huge when Hogan was put on top.
>Hogan's run started in 1984, when the pro wrestling industry on a national basis was already at peak levels. U.S. attendance in 1983, year before Hogan's run, was 13 million. U.S. attendance in 1996, year before Austin's run, was well under 2 million.
>Austin got there with TV deals in place, but when wrestling ratings were rock bottom. Hogan got there when most major cities were doing far bigger ratings for wrestling than any time since. Ratings in most cities fell during the Hogan peak, as did the national cable numbers. Austin's numbers increased at a time when ratings across the board were declining for almost every other sport.
>Austin worked in an environment with 35 PPVs per year (WWE, WCW, TNA & UFC). When Hogan broke into PPV, it was a novelty, WWE had a monopoly and there were only a few shows of the year, and far better promoted
>Hogan's best feuds averaged 8,000 to 10,000 paid. Austin at his peak averaged 14,000 paid, and did mostly sellouts. Plus, at Austin's peak, because of the Raw set, he was playing in arenas where capacity was cut back 30% for the biggest show of the week and still, on average, greatly outdrew Hogan at triple the ticket prices. And, the house shows during the Hogan run were far better promoted. The company had specialized local television and did specialized local interviews and did more advertising because house shows were the prime revenue source and considered the most important thing. During the Austin era, house shows were considered a distant No. 3 in priority. No more local market television or localized interviews. Plus, in the Hogan era, everything on television was geared toward buying house show tickets and in the Austin era, the house shows were barely acknowledged on TV that they even existed.
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>>1724394
hoganfag on suicide watch
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>>1724394
>Not knowing we're talking Hogans WWF career here from 84 to 92 when he got National promotion and not other outlaw territorial shit promotions that got little TV time and was barely watched by anyone outside of the south
>less exposed not meaning that the shows hogan did with the WWF were only seen by the people there and a few yokels watching on local tv channels and rarely on a National TV channel aside from Saturday Night's main event which was taped and not Live like Raw was every single week.
You need to learn what less exposed actually means
>late 90's wrestlers having the benefit of going out to 5+ million tv viewers 2 times a week every single week of the year
This happened when they actually did put Hogan on TV in the 80's
WWF The Main Event featuring WM3 rematch between World Champion Hulk Hogan vs Andre The Giant ( February 5, 1988) drew over 33 million viewers to NBC which is the largest audience ever for wrestling and that's two times better than any rating the attitude era ever fucking drew on national TV
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>>1724619
>This happened when they actually did put Hogan on TV in the 80's
>WWF The Main Event featuring WM3 rematch between World Champion Hulk Hogan vs Andre The Giant ( February 5, 1988) drew over 33 million viewers to NBC which is the largest audience ever for wrestling and that's two times better than any rating the attitude era ever fucking drew on national TV
that was free TV not cable, MASSIVE difference
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>>1724623
>nitpicking this much
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>>1724628
nitpicking how? it's like putting Austin/Rock rematch from WM 15 on free TV
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>>1724104
>Dave Mel-
stopped right there
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They both made a shitton of money for the same insane man. /thread
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What would the modern equivalent of Steve Austin, a two-bit tag teamer and rather generic, becoming fucking swaggering bad ass shit kicker Stone Cold Steve Austin?
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>>1726615
>two-bit tag teamer
hollywood blondes are GOAT
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>>1726615
Cass since Vince is gonna push the living shit out of him within the next year or two.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFMLNbC9sU8
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>>1724619
>using the term outlaw wrong
stopped reading there.
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>>1726615
They could do it with Big E, if they could get him to tone down his latent homosexuality, but they won't because he's non-white.
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>>1726615
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>>1726615
Roman reigns
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>>1726615
Roman Reigns
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