Never drew a dime

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>>1611711

>>1611711
This.

> I'm a big fan of Bret Hart, but HHH has drawn tons more money than Hart. One was the top guy during $80 million years and the other was the top guy during $375-425 million years.

>(HHH) would be only behind Rock, Austin, Hogan and Flair. For total PPV money drawn, he'd be well ahead of Flair. Hart nor Flair never headlined a PPV show that came close to the interest level of 2002 Rumble. And everyone in the company will credit HHH's return to the buy rate of that rumble, even though it was years after the peak of the company, it still beat out every rumble during the peak years.

>HHH was never the draw Austin or Rock were. But here in San Jose, HHH drew the biggest crowd for a house show in the history of Northern California when neither Austin nor Rock were on the show (HHH & Rikishi vs. Angle & Kane, and it was clear HHH was the star of that show). When Hart was on top, there was never a period he could draw more than half of what HHH was drawing on his own at his peak, for a regular house show.

>Hart was never a big ratings guy. HHH's best run in Canada blows away Hart's best run in Canada for live gates.

>>1611719
Bretcuck absolutely, positively BTFO

>>1611719
At that point the people would have come out to see literally anyone wrestling for WWF. It's just coat tails from Austin and Rock.

>>1611719
The brand was the draw when he was on top.

>>1611719
>le meltz

>>1611753
It wasn't in 2002 when Triple h drew record Rumble buys.

>>1611753
You could say the same for the Rock if it were the argument. Neither Haitch nor the Rock turn the tide for WWF, Austin is the only one who did it.

>>1611723
Who was the guy that always put over Austin and Rock (especially Rock since he was making him look strong when he was still Rocky Maivia)?? HHH.. Remove HHH from that era and nobody is there to build Rock/Austin, Taker wasn't gonna job to them every PPV and Mankind putting guys over too much where a win over him didn't elevate you. Jericho was a mid carder and by the time they would've built Kurt up to that level Austin and Rock would've already been out the buisness

>>1611793
In 2002 WWE were the only guys in town on a national level. Also the card was fucking stacked at that time with guys who were over and so the audience wasn't solely interested in the main event of house show cards

>>1611797
I think Rock was coasting on Austin's numbers when he was on top too, but he was still more of a star than Triple H and more suited to entertaining the audience and keeping them coming back for more than Triple H's shenanigans

>>1611772
>SEETHING

>>1611711
The only Kliq member that ever came close to a dime was Kevetty when he was standing next to Hogan in WCW.

>>1611797
>You could say the same for the Rock if it were the argument.

Nah not really. The brand was a draw partially because of the Rock.
Haitch didn't do anything to take the WWF to where it was at that time.

>>1611855
Triple h was the top heel in company hands down, HHH was the best thing in DX (the original DX not the DX with the Outlaws and X-Pac) and apart of some of the best feuds with Mankind, Jericho, Kurt Angle and Rock. To say he did nothing to contribute to WWFs success in the AE is just blind hate

>>1611869
I don't hate him, but he didn't elevate the brand. Rock and Austin did.
Nobody paid to see Triple H.

>>1611842
WWE was also the "only guys in town" through much of 2001 as well, and go check the numbers, drop started early 01.

The numbers on a free fall, suddeny starting 2002 not only draws big sets a record for the biggest ever? Yeah there is something/someone responsible there. Setting record long after boom period ended is not something you can simply dismiss as nothing.

>>1611869
>HHH was the best thing in DX (the original DX not the DX with the Outlaws and X-Pac)
Hello HHH

>>1611855
> The brand was a draw partially because of the Rock.

Explain how? Rock wasn't top guy until 00 when austin left. And '99 ratings were actually higher than 00, not to mention WCW was a basketcase, a one hour loony tunes show by 2000. Brand was selling hot before even announcing the card even. In that case, if you claim Triple H didn't draw, then Rock didn't either using the same metrics.

>>1611897
He was very good as HBK's lackey

>>1611891
No one elevated the brand other than Hogan. Austin saved a dying brand by turning the boom period started by nWo towards WWF. Rock and HHH were part of the boom.

If you exclude mania, Triple H actually drew more in his feuds with Foley, Jericho than he did with the Rock.

>>1611906
>only literal top guys draw

Austin and Rock were megastars in '99 and '00. Just because ratings lowered between those years doesn't change how much Rock attracted fans. They're the ones that cemented the brand. Haitch – and extensively everyone else – lived off of it.
He didn't draw jack, jack.

>>1611897
HHH was the best thing in the original DX, Hunter and Chyna made it work, HBK was nothing but cringe in DX

HHH is big draw

name one time he failed to draw

CM Punk failed to draw all the time and u make excuse

>>1611930
OK if the rock was such a mega draw then explain how Rumble 00 drew less than Rumble 99 built around Austin?

Rock didn't even become top guy until after Austin left, by then WCW was already toast and WWF was hot on fire. Rock lived off it too if HHH did so.

>>1611943
Because Austin was a bigger one.
That doesn't lessen the Rock's impact. And Haitch failed to make any meaningful one whatsoever.
You could have slotted anyone functional into his, or really anyone's position except those two.

>>1611936
>HHH was the best thing in the original DX, Hunter and Chyna made it work, HBK was nothing but cringe in DX

Said no one

>>1611891
You're retarded, ppl did pay to see Triple H, they paid to see him lose to the Rock and Austin. The heel is arguably more important to the draw than the face, nWo should've taught you that.

>>1611953
>ppl did pay to see Triple H, they paid to see him lose to the Rock and Austin. The heel is arguably more important to the draw than the face,

t. The King of Kings

>>1611953
This. Would Sting or Goldberg be as over if they didn't have the nWo to overcome? Would Austin or Rock be as over if they didn't have to overcome the odds against Vince or HHH? The answer is FUCK NO

>>1611719
Nice damage control, Paul.

>>1611719
Will bretmark ever recover?

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>>1611711
Anyone who was around during Austin/The Rock era drew more money then the New Generation era. Not because of talent or popularity, but because they are ON THE CARD with Austin/Rock and can brag about it.

HHH is who is always is. Shawn Micheal's bag carrier and the Kliq's driver.

>>1611946
> That doesn't lessen the Rock's impact.

What the fuck is Rock's impact? I just told you business was already hot on fire, both Rock and HHH share similar PPV and ratings numbers. Only true difference maker is Austin. WWF in 00 was selling out house shows without even advertising the main guys.

"Anyone functional" what does that mean? One could say anyone functional could have replaced Austin, Hogan as well. Its all bunch of woulda,coulda,shoulda arguments. Holds no merit.

>>1612028
You could say that if he didn't hold some of the biggest records along with them. Records are made by being just another guy mate. People actually have to care and they did for Haitch.

>>1611723

Bret Hart followed Hulk Hogan and he couldn't draw 1/4 as much as based Hunter

>>1612058
Bret followed Hogan while wrestling was on the downswing and the roster was shit with shit gimmicks

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>>1612058
Hulk was followed by a brief Savage and Ric run before Hart.

The problem was Hogan shit the bed before leaving the hotel so to speak. The steroid thing really fucked up the business and he ran the image of wrestling into the ground and make Ric and Randy's job even harder.

Bret brought back shine.

The business was down during Diesel and Shawn.

HHH will keep changing history as long as his boys tell him what to do. In the Kliq chain of command, at the end of the day, HHH is still below X-Pac and will still take orders from Shawn and Big Kev.

20 years ago Haitch was Shawn's personal bag carrier

now he's Shawn's boss

say what you want about paul but he's a legit draw (per Meltzer), one of the top 10 best ever and is pretty much the boss of the company

He did draw though with rock

>>1612175
But he's henpecked by Stephanie

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>>1612175
He is far from the Top 10.

Maybe in the high 20s in a Top 30 list, but FAR from Top 10

And Shawn/Kev still call the shots, let's not kid ourselves, the "King of Kings" still answers to the real bosses of "The Game"

>>1612201
You need to stop with this roleplaying that Nash cares about anything more than a paycheck and that Shawn gives enough of a shit to tell HHH to do anything when he's retired and loaded.

Paul is still the bag boy but the only one who has any interest in staying relevant in wrestling

>>1612201
kevin literally begged haitch to bring him back like 10 times since 2003

shawn should thank hatich he still gets to do wrestlemania refereeing and run ins

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>2016
>HHH still alive

Can we stop with fans rushing the ring to stab Fin Balor or Seth Rollins and someone jump the barricade to get at HHH, Throw a battery at his head or something.

>>1611891
HHH was a fundamental part of the equation.

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>>1611711
>was in the main event of the biggest Wrestlemania of all time

>>1612175
20 years ago was 1996 and Hunter was already pretty far along by that point.

And anyway, is it such a bad thing to "pay your dues"? Does that take away from the things he did later?

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>>1612820
Real Legit Paul Michael Levesque Timeline

- Trained under Killer Kowalski, who was more show then go
- Was a shit worker in WCW
- Was brought to the WWF by JJ Dillion because they needed a heel to stomp every night similar to his late WCW gimmick
- Saw that Shawn was the big fish and sucked up to him by being his gopher and bag carrier (like legit bag carrier and food run guy)
- When the Kliq learned he also didn't drink, they used him also as their chauffeur, driving them from town to town
- While sucking up to the most powerful group in the company, he was having sex with Chyna but always looking for his next big break outside of being a leech of the Kliq....... that's when he saw the virgin and innocent minded Stephanie.
- Stephanie who was 19 turning 20 at the time, was alone at most TV tapings and HHH used that as his advantage to swoop in and butter her up. His plan was working
- She didn't know any better, recently having a fling with Macho Man during who even more innocent days.
- He knew that no wrestler has a 100% shelflife, Hogan was gone, Bret was gone and Shawn was on his way out, he wanted to make big money and be around forever, so he needed to keep Stephanie forever. He could cheat on her if needed, all the boys did it.

We fast forward to today and he is still cheating on her, while have put himself at the top of the mountain and modifying history along the way.

There is 2 types of wrestling fans, those who don't like HHH and actually lived during the 90s and those who only know what came out of the mid 2000s into today and just live history via his WWE timeline not the WWF that we lived.

Paul today now takes the credit for NXT, a Florida Steve Keirn and Dusty Rhodes concept, but one is dead and the other makes money off camera under contract to keep his mouth shut.

Paul did create CWC, a classic WCW move to further separate the talented wrestlers that the Kliq would call "Vanilla midgets" & thus keep the "big show"

>>1612909
>virgin and innocent minded Stephanie

top kek, macho pounded that ages before Paul

>>1612996
>Macho meme
>Being anything besides a cuck

lmao

>>1612996
Stephanie's first sexual experience was Randy Savage, after he left for WCW she was still broken and confused and HHH filled the void.

All ultimate suck up picked the right messed up girl to fuck. He is an expert in putting his dick into mentally fucked up women. It's how he gets his meat wet.

>>1612909
So what you're saying is Paul Michael Levesque is a man with a plan that has used every tool he could to claw his way to the top and he intends on staying there.

Pretty GOAT if you ask me.

>>1612909
>Paul did create CWC
The idea of the best small guys from different promotions all around the world was made by Liger with the Super J Cup

>>1613409
It was created to distance small guys from the big prize even more, make it seem special when it really was not.

HHH's boss Big Kev does not want more vanilla midgets and CM Punks anywhere near the gold.

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>>1613436
Based Nash

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>>1613436
Stop this meme, Kevin Nash does not care about the industry or its future so long as he has two things

The paychecks
And the pasta

>>1613454
>The pasta
>Never in my life have I felt an energy in the building like I did when Nash did the too sweet at WCW Nitro. It was next level shit, like a mild psychotropic drug induced state. The guy had complete unfettered control of the crowd the entire time, like some weird spazzy pro wrestling pied piper. It was amazing.
>You just have to experience it for yourself in person, I cannot do it justice with words.

>>1613436
if this was true why didn't they make the new cruiserweight division weight limit 220 pounds like it was in dubbya see dubbya? as of now the weight cap is 205 pounds. wrestlers like finn balor fit right into the cruiserweight division perfectly.

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>>1612909
THIS

Also notice how Triple H takes credit for NXT, (and we could even argue whether it's as groundbreaking as the marks believe) when it's good stuff. In the midst of the peak NXT-circlejerk 2014-2015, Reddit sent him a fruitbasket and when /wooo/ found out they got all pissy and acted like it should have been them to send the basket.

Even if you like NXT, then it's not a one man show, and Haitch is simply the man with the cheque book.


Notice how the bad things though about NXT, the bullying, the losing money never get blamed on Haitch. Bill DeMott, asshole that he is, took the major heat for the bullying culture, after a fan campaign to get him fired. But what about Haitch? after a successfull takeover, it's "but he's the one in charge, that's why he get's the credit", but bullying in NXT? "it was that bad apple DeMott!"

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>>1613815
Even the Meltzerdrones will willfully ignore that haitch is working them, when Big Money calls him out.

Punk's shoot podcast with Cabana was amazing because apart from Bret he's the only big name that called out Haitch.

the narrative of "good guy Haitch" pushing the talented wrestlers fighting against evil Vince and Dunn (and let's be clear those two are not heroes either) , is such a fucking work and yet these "smart" fans buy it hook line and sinker.

Reigns, who was put into the Shield instead of Chris Hero, is the classic HHH guy, but fans have somehow shifted this to the exact opposite.

>>1611719
Based Haitch

>>1611850
Don't you have torn quads to attend to Kevin?

>>1611719
When/where did Diamond Dave say this?

>>1611719
He says that but during that "legendary HHH run" both him and Shawn were booed out of the building by Montreal crowds and Toronto crowds, they were not there to see them, they were their for John Cena

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>>1613832
>>1613815
>>1612909

>Triple H Redpill

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>>1615195
Search your feelings.

You hate the current product.

It's because of him

>>1615241
Some of the details are wrong like the Macho Man-Steph bullshit which has been confirmed by various guys as bullshit but Paul is very responsible for the product being shit

Look at NXT, there's a thread up about it right now about how it's bullshit to keep it as developmental while ALSO insisting it's another brand to make money off of and keeping the indie vets down there instead of supplementing the main roster with ready guys. Triple H isn't the devil of WWE (anymore) but his time there has been more toxic than not

>>1613441
Fuck Nash.