Is Undy overrated in your opinion anon?

>>1561926
Never more than a tertiary top guy.
His entire drawing power came from the last years of the streak, which was a creation of WWE storytelling more-so than his own.
His entire character, and the reason he was ever over, was WWE's storytelling perfectly structuring a gimmick around him.
The fact that they insinuate that he's even in the conversation as the legitimate GOAT is an insult to anyone's intelligence. He's just loyal, so they suck him off.
And I don't dislike Taker, these are just the facts.

18+

>>1561926
Yes

The Undercarder has always been shit

>>1561926
Every top guy was overprotected. Austin and Goldberg for example never put anyone over.

He stuck it out with vince. You just know Bischoff offered him a ton of money to jump ship. Which if he did at least they would have feuded him and sting, can you imagine if he became an NWO member with his american badass gimmick? Also he was the leader of the other faction backstage opposite the kliq and is supposedly a nice guy minus his dealings with DDP when DDP came over.

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>>1561931
completely agree.

>>1561945
That's the thing, Undertaker was never a top guy.

>>1561948
>minus his dealings with DDP when DDP came over

He also buried Punk in 09.

>>1561931
It doesn't matter how or why you draw, as long as you do it.

Taker got people to watch the show and especially during mania season Taker and Cena have pretty much carried the company the past few years. For this alone he deserves to be called one of the greatest.

>>1561931
>it was all wwe

nah

sure they gave him the gimmick, but he delivered on it too, if they gave "the undertaker" to someone else who knows how it would've been remembered

>>1561954
Based taker putting crybaby phil in his place

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I thought undertaker was amazing... When I was 12.
Now I've grown up and realize Jericho is GOAT.

>>1561963
>especially during mania season Taker and Cena have pretty much carried the company the past few years

Wrong. Mania carries itself because of the grandeur of the event, and if anyone "carried" its the fucking Rock, not undy or cena.

>>1561988
now you need to have sex

>>1561963
>It doesn't matter how or why you draw, as long as you do it.

Agreed. But it was the most opportune set of circumstances for Taker to strike on.
He has shown, in numerous places, earlier in his career, he can't draw on his own merits. The only time he did was when he could hinge himself on the spectacle of Wrestlemania, and a story WWE had been weaving for 2-ish decades.

>>1561981
I'm not saying he didn't deliver, but they still chose the correct gimmick for a guy who wasn't particularly talented at the time, and honestly never became top-tier in the ring, or even decent on the mic, anyway.
His only good mic-work was Biker-taker, and that is, ironically, his most criticized incarnation.

>>1561981
Gimmick alone did not make the character, the extensive push and extreme protection did. Taker is successful because of how he was pushed. Hell he wasn't even good with the gimmick until late 90s, watch his early 90s stuff the guy was a walking Zombie delivering shit match after another.

You want excellent character work despite shitty push and bad creative? Then I got two words for ya - Bray Wyatt! Now this is real talent.

>>1561926
Yes

>>1561931
A literal underage b& here.

>>1561931
18+

>>1562016
>>1562028
Hello, Deanbean

>>1561926

I thought about it. At first, I wanted to say yes.

But no. Undertaker has never underperformed for any significant period of his career, even during some shaky parts of it with unstable gimmick swaps and health concerns slowly mounting with his age. Dude is a consummate pro, has ALWAYS had the crowd invested in him and his feuds, and been integral as fuck any time he was able to be in the spotlight. You can argue maybe he didn't put over people from time to time, but we forgive Cena for a handful of times, and he's not Haitch levels of bad about it to any degree.

His storytelling and ringwork have always been anywhere between serviceable and MOTY work, usually falling comfortably between the two on a typical night. When you complain about him, you basically complain about the way WWE treats him these days and has in the past, and it's because he deserved the protection he got, and really never even had to do as much as he did for other talent. Man probably could've decided to never put another person over after 2006 and Vince would've said sure.

But anyway. Is he a GOAT? Yeah. THE GOAT? Not even close. He has a deserving top 25 spot though, no doubt. Can't disrespect his body of work without putting on some pretty big blinders desu senpai

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>There are people hating one of the most based wrestler that ever existed

He is probably the most popular wrestler that still wrestlers tied with Cena worldwide
>inb4 Rock is a wrestler meme
He is constantly over, he had a fuckton of memorable matches in his career also made Brock the beast he is today and he keep up with Vince's shit for 25 years.

Easily Top 5 of all time Behind Hogan Austin Rock and Flair.

Probably the best all around of the wrestler also of all time

>Can deliver MOTY's
>Tall as fuck
>muscular
>can cut a promo
>Has presence
>over from fucking day one

And you literally can't prove me wrong

>>1561996
>and honestly never became top-tier in the ring
Begging you to kill yourself.

Most guy his size wrestle like Khali.

Yes. He is MASSIVELY overrated by smarks.

He never had a good match where he wasn't carried by an exceptional performer like Shawn Michaels or Brock Lesnar. He could never cut a promo. And he was never a draw until WWE started pushing The Streak. Everything that makes him """"""""""great"""""""""" is due to WWE production magic e.g. entrances, vignettes, making him a draw with The Streak, and so on.

>>1562234
Have Sex.

>>1562232
Undertake isn't even that tall.
>7'
Stop getting worked you mark. He's literally like 6'5". He's the same height as Orton.

>>1562220
>>1562232
> this worked underaged pajeet
Taker sucked

>>1562242

Taker's 6'8" and has been MASSIVE compared to randy being lean, has been that way for fucking decades you delusional shitposter

>>1562232
>Most guy his size wrestle like Khali.

Just because others his size were utter shit, doesn't make him a God.
He was amazing for his size, but grand-scheme, he wasn't ever a true in-ring great. He had very compelling character-work, and a firm grasp of match-structure.

>>1562248
Gain Height

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>>1562250
literal shit for brains mark.

he's fucking 6'6" at the most. he's only big 4u because ur a fucking manlet

Anyone who says Taker was a draw doesn't have a clue. WM13 has the lowest buyrate of all time for a Mania, and 26 flopped so badly that they needed to beg Rock to come back

And yes I do, simply because people theres people who actually think he's the GOAT

>>1562220
>can cut a promo
this has to be bait. Remember his shitty promo with Big Show that was so bad Jericho came out and actually said people change the channel when he shows up?

>>1562208
You just called him top 25, majority think he's top 10 at worst. I think he's overrated according to that


>>1562208

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>>1562266

>taker clearly looming over a completely upright randy in said picture
>despite randy's fucking 4inch boots during his LK days
>trying to say they're the same fucking height
>being this much in denial

holy fuck here's your (you) mark

>>1562288
You forgot about the match with the highest rating's wwe ever had but i suppose you weren't even born then.

>inb4 it was all Austin

It Takes two to Tango

>>1562292
>Orton slouching
>Taker upright and maybe an inch or 2 taller
It's okay if you're unable to discern the details of visual information. I'm not unsympathetic to your clinical autism. But seek help, gain height, and take a shower, kid.

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>>1562303
>match with Austin
>Taker was the draw, or even close to it

I bet you think that Taker was the draw at WM24 too, pic related

>>1562288
You seem buttblasted

>>1562307
>Randy is literally standing completely up right.
>Slouching

Are you serious m8? You can't post a picture and then decide to make shit up about it like nobody else can see it but you.

He's slouching about as much as he's breakdancing.

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>>1562307
Not that guy but Lesnar is like 1.91 so Taker is around 1.96+ in his 50's!

Guy is tall as fuck.

>>1562303
Austin could have worked with anyone and put butts in seats. It doesn't take 2 when you're as hot as Austin. Give him a broom, let him stunner it and you'll sell-out Madison Square Garden.

But Take can't do this with anyone else because HE'S NOT A DRAW. He needed Austin to put butts in seats.

>>1562288
>>1562308
You posted the same shit in two threads holy fuck are you upset.

>>1562309
Why would I be? Only pajeets think Taker is the GOAT so I'm fine with that

>>1562308
I mean if Austin is all it took why didn't he break the record with Rock or Mick or somebody else that was over? If he was record breaking by himself he could have taken matches with shitters like mideon to the top.

But that didn't happen did it?

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>>1562326
Why did the feuds befor and after have worse ratings then?

>>1562330
t. The same guy who makes "Austin sucks" threads using the same pictures from when he was at Tough Enough

get a clue Jeff Jarrett

>>1562333
>Only pajeets think Taker is the GOAT so I'm fine with that
Who is your GOAT boy

>>1562303

That match and rating a Meltzer created myth to disprove Russo's "Wrestling doesn't draw, look at This is your like Rock 8.2 rating" argument.

The real truth is that night WCW did not have a overrun, Austin vs Taker was in the overrun and had nothing to compete with. WCW's audience tuned in which bumped the number.

The highest rated non-overrun wrestling match in WWE history was the Mean Street Posse vs Patterson/Brisco. It did an 8.61. Drawn by a bunch of glorified Jobbers.

>>1562345
Prove it.

>>1562336
The build up didn't include Taker at all. It was when Austin was CEO the night after he lost to Shane/Vince, he literally came out and gave himself a title shot. The draw wasn't "wow Taker and Austin are having a match, I can't wait" it was "wow I want to see Austin win the title"

>>1562344
Hogan

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>>1562351
>Hogan

>>1561926

What? The IWC doesn't think he's the GOAT. You must be young because.people endlessly shit on him from 99-04, people respect him but it's widely accepted the man was a burial machine in those years who had to be totally dragged to a decent match.

This board is so full of morons and actual plebians

>>1562357
Hogan was a main draw in three separate decades, that alone kills Undertakers best argument (longevity)

>>1562363
Ya, Hogan is probably the biggest draw of all time.

Tho he was absolute shit and liking a wrestler just because somewhere there during his matches there were more retarded kids in the audience is fucking braindead as hell.

Let's look at the last 7 years of Taker's streak match performance..

WM 25 - Great match with Shawn Michaels because its Shawn fucking Michaels.

WM 26 - Again, because its Shawn Fucking Michaels.

WM 27 - Awesome match, almost entirely carried by Triple H's work in the match. All taker did was roll around in the ground.

WM 28 - shite match overrated to kingdom come.

WM 29 - Good match, Phil's carrying an old man.

WM 30 - Shite Shite Shite match, overshadowed by streak's ending.

WM 31 - garbage and burial of Bray!

WM 32 - Yet another cell gimmick with one cool spot, again done by opponent.

So when you really observe, Taker streak performance are highly overrated and not warranting of any praise whatsoever.

>>1562351
>Hogan

get away from the keyboard old man

>>1561926
>over-protected
his last championship run was in 2009

>>1562370
>Carried by HHH

But thats impossible, simply because HHH is fucking trash in the ring

Deanetty was better than him at Roadblock

>>1562368
If he was absolute shit then how did he work crowds for 30 years running? The fucker managed to get the biggest pop in TNA history when he was 60 years old

>>1562371
>implying the old smarks rate Hogan

All the oldfag smarks would bury him and put Macho man ahead

>>1562357
Hogan is GOAT for fucking child. Delete that Spongebub from your HD - what are you 12? KEK.

Hogan is the ultimate draw. And he didn't even need WWE to get himself over. He did it in the AWA by himself. Undertaker is neither. Now stop posting about your no draw and get out to get some sun.

>>1562383
>Hogan is the ultimate draw
nah Austin was a bigger draw at his peak

>>1562379
>>1562383
>Why do you like him so much
>UUUUH HE WAS OVER AND UUUUH HE DRAW CROWDS
>ok what about matches,promo, look etc.?
>WHO GIVES A FUCK LMAO

>>1562379
hogan gets a nostalgia pop. that's just being tenured

>>1562220
>Easily Top 5 of all time Behind Hogan Austin Rock and Flair.

18+ holy christ

>>1562377
>HHH isn't good
HI BRETT

>>1562390
at his peak yes

He loses out hard on longevity, the same argument people use for Taker being top 5-10 all time. And when Hogan & Austin were in the same company, Hogan was the main draw (18, 19)

>>1562379
>>1562383
Begging you both to have sex

>>1562396
He is a literal indian

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>>1562379
>>1562383
>Hogan

>LISTEN HERE BROTHER *Body-slam, Leg drop*

OMG BASED

>>1562392
>Hulk Hogan
>not having the look
>not cutting good promos

Do you really need me to tell you this? And yes, the objective of professional wrestling is to make money and draw crowds

>>1562394
Can you really get a nostalgia pop for 10+ years? He was fulltime for a few months in 2002 and over as fuck

>>1562406
>And yes, the objective of professional wrestling is to make money and draw crowds

Guess Shawn Micheals and Kevin Nash are shit tho then.

>the amount of samefagging going on by Taker loving pajeets

Taker couldn't sell out WM13, it isn't even a meme. They had to give out the last 1000+ tickets

>>1562394
Hogan in 2002 was the most over wrestler on the roster. That's why they gave him the belt again.

And he was still the most over wrestler after he started wrestling in the mid-card as Mr. America. Hogan was a top draw for 30 years. He is the greatest of all time.

>>1562398
Nobody gets flip-flopped on when it fits the argument more than Triple H. One week it's nothing but b plus, Kliq bagboy, only around because of Stephanie, but bring out one of the other /asp/ whipping boys and he's a savant with no elder.

>>1562409
In terms of GOAT conversation? Yes

>Hogan
>Austin
>Rock

These 3 either were main draws for a long time, or peaked high as fuck when they were the main guy

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>>1562411
>Talks about samefagging
>Spams every minute about fucking buyrates ratings drawing and other irrelevant shit

Lmaoing at you so hard right now

>>1562419
>fucking buyrates ratings drawing and other irrelevant shit
>Taker pajeet crying because WM26 flopped when he was the main draw

Pottery

>>1562418
Fuck Shawn micheals is galaxies ahead of Hogan in everything

>But hogan draws!

Oh because seeing more kids with autism dressed in yellow red shit is important for me.

>>1562405
>BASED Hulkster buried my favorite manlet and made lots of money and lots of normies happy for doing it >:(
LOL

>>1562420
>He is so mad because Hogan will never have a ***** MOTY

Try to not break your back for the 10th time Terrence!

>>1562423
>Fuck Shawn micheals is galaxies ahead of Hogan in everything

He couldn't outpolitic Hogan in 2005 and threw an autistic fit in the ring, so that's out. And the only time he cut good promos was when he threw shoot terms in there

And 18+ on the second part, Hogan got a bunch of new teen/adult fans with the nWo

>>1562411
>More posts against Taker than for him.
>The unique posters are this low still.
You played yourself bro, means you're doing equal if not more samefagging.

>>1562423
HBK literally almost buried the WWF because he was such a no draw. Then he had to take a 5 year hiatus because he developed PTSD from his lack of drawing power. To top it off he's responsible for every flippy manlet no draw on the indies today.

Bret was always better.

>>1562426
>He is so mad Hogan sold out arenas for 30 years and sold 10 Wrestlemanias as the main draw while Taker flopped every time

Calm down Ranjin

>>1562428
>Haha Shawn was a better person than hulk and didn't cry like a fag not to lose, what an autistic.

The state of hulkamaniacs.

>>1562430

>>1562288 was my first post in the thread. Since then it's been the same pajeet Taker mark crying about Hogan

Direct quote from Observer ...

> June 28, 1999: A match where Steve Austin won the WWF title from The Undertaker in Charlotte drew the largest rating and audience to ever witness a pro wrestling match or for that matter, any pro wrestling segment, ever on U.S. cable television. The match did a 9.5 rating, which was 10.72 million viewers. Perhaps the most impressive is that one out of every six television sets in the U.S. that had cable that was on during that time was watching that match. Because for more than a decade, Vince Russo has made it a talking point to say how the “The Is Your Life: Rock,” segment was the highest rated segment in history (it did an 8.4 quarter), to show how skits outdraw matches, it’s become a talking point how that was the highest rated segment in Raw history. Actually there were a handful of different quarter hours that beat that total, including most of the second hour of the May 10, 1999 show.

The Actual reality was that, on that night, before the Undertaker/Austin match, WWF Raw had a 7.3 rating for Q11(pre-final quarter), Austin/Undertaker match actually turned off viewers and led to a 7.1 rating for Q12(final quarter before leading into Overrun). Raw entered overrun at the same time WCW ended early that night, allowing Nitro audience to tune over drawing a massive 9.5 rating.

>>1562347

>>1562428
>He couldn't outpolitic Hogan in 2005 and threw an autistic fit in the ring

Funny because autistic Shawn was still way better than Hogan who looked like a walking corpse who could barely walk.

But thats Hogan even in the 90''s so nothing really changed :^)

>>1562439
>Haha Shawn was a better person than hulk and didn't cry like a fag not to lose

18+. Hogan "wanting the old Shawn" wasn't just a storyline. Shawn really thought that he could outpolitic Hogan and he failed and started crying. Watch Hogan's entrance at Summerslam, Shawn does a shovel motion with his hands. He just couldn't get over that he didn't get his way

>>1562443
>The Actual reality was that, on that night, before the Undertaker/Austin match, WWF Raw had a 7.3 rating for Q11(pre-final quarter), Austin/Undertaker match actually turned off viewers and led to a 7.1 rating for Q12(final quarter before leading into Overrun). Raw entered overrun at the same time WCW ended early that night, allowing Nitro audience to tune over drawing a massive 9.5 rating.
Prove it

>>1562442
Bro there's 80 posts and 20 people, I hate to break it to you but both sides have been samefagging hard and trying to talk from a superior side is kek worthy when it's painfully obvious 4 or 5 dudes the only ones arguing.

>>1562449
>Shawn really thought that he could outpolitic

Shawn winning was common sense.

Why would he lose vs someone who the audience didn't give a fuck about anymore and also could barely walk without breaking his legs

>>1562445
The walking corpse who couldn't walk got one of the biggest pops of all time when he hulked up at WM18, then standing ovations wherever he went for a month

>M-muh nostalgia

Good thing Shawn never got those pops because the kids who grew up with him all forgot about him and turned into Austin marks quickly

Hogan is the GOAT because he literally established the brand of WWF to the global audience. Simply put, WWE would be indy today if not for Hulkamania.

>Hulkafaggots saying Taker marks are pajeets
>implying Poo's aren't the one always marking for kiddy shit like cena Roman or Hulk

iksde

>>1562453
I've only been replying to people m8, I didn't reply to the same post 5 times like the Taker pajeet

>>1562455
>Why would he lose vs someone who the audience didn't give a fuck about anymore

Again 18+. Hogan was still getting huge pops and Summerslam 2005 got 235k more buys than the previous year

>>1562456
>Good thing Shawn never got those pops
+18

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqhhwt_elimination-chamber-1er-match-survivor-series-2002_sport

>>1562460
>Pajeets
>Having wrestling knowledge going back that far

No way any pajeet cares about him after the racist tape

>>1562465
Are you really comparing that to Hogan at WM18? Or when he got standing ovations for 5-10 minutes?

>>1562449
Lol nice revisionist history.

Here's what really happened, hulk and Shawn were supposed to have three matches, Shawn gets one so did hulk then rubber match. Terry cries like a pussy because he don't want to be no bad man bro so he makes Shawn go heel for him. Then realizing that he hadn't reached his faggot quota of the day suddenly he came down with hack problems and couldn't work any match except the one where he went over, what a surprise.

So Shawn ruined his faggot match and everyone but butthurt Terry marks loved t once they figured out it was Hogan flexing those WCW killing muscles again.

>>1562468
The tape is the only thing keeping Hogan relevant

Party's over Grandpa

>>1562472
You said that Shawn never got those pops and i proved you wrong.

Also the WWE was in steady decline in 2002-2003 ratings wise while Hogan was the star btw.

>>1562461
Even if you're not the samefag the math don't lie, both the guy defending Taker and talking shit about Taker are just the same people over and over.

>>1562474
>nice revisionist history.

Meltzer confirms all of this and this is the same guy who gave Hogan/Andre -**** stars. Shawn tried to outpolitic Hogan, lost, and threw a fit

>>1562475
>A 63 year old man isn't mainstream relevant anymore

Nobody will give a fuck about Shawn/Taker/Austin etc in 15+ years either

>>1562478
No, you didn't. I don't think you ever watched Hogan/Rock or watched him get 5-10 minute standing ovations if you really think that pop was anywhere close to Hogan's.

And absolutely 18+. Hogan was in a tag team with Edge, jobbed to Lesnar, jobbed to Angle etc. He wasn't the star after April at the latest

>>1562483
>Le melts confirmed

Citation needed and also, meltz is back to being infallible huh?

>>1562474
>suddenly he came down with hack problems
Terry working the marks. BASED.

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>>1562483
>Meltzer

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>>1562475
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/30/judge-slams-nick-denton-rules-hulk-hogan-can-start-seizing-assets-from-gawker-ceo/

>>1562483
>Meltzer confirms
uhhhhhh....

>>1562486
ARE YOU BRAINDEAD HOLY FUCK he wasn't comparing it to Hogan's he was just showing off the Gay faggot HBK had huge pops too.

You are fucking trolling at this point

>>1562499
But I was, I said that Shawn "never got those pops" as in Hogan's from 2002

>>1562487
I wasn't the guy who said that he made up the Austin/Taker match rating. Going to run through his twitter now

>>1562483
>Meltzer
>Hogan andre- ****

Meltzer confrimed retard once again just like you faggot.

Nothing to see here people

>>1562499
Shawn only got 1 good pop in his 2nd run when he came back to Canada and played heel for the night because the leaves are still worked about >muh montreal

>>1562504
Shawn also didn't make me cringe with his matches in 2002

>>1562491
Is that what we call milling every promotion he was at the helm of that wasn't smart enough to tell him no and send him packing when he got too uppity like Vince?

>>1562502
-****, and then Hogan burned a copy of the Observer on WCW. If anyone would have hated Hogan it was Meltzer

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/737393939238420481 this is the best I can find without listening to the Observers again like an autist. Bryan asked him about it, and he confirmed that Hogan/HBK tried to outpolitic each other and HBK lost.

Like I said Hogan "wanting the old HBK" wasn't just a storyline, why did Shawn suddenly have great mic skills again that whole feud? All of his memorable promos post 2002 were from that

Hulk ruined TNA which was in a good state before Hogan & bischoff adventure that destroyed everything.

Hogan is the reason wrestling is shitty today.

WEEKLY REMINDER THE BIGGEST POP OF HBGAY'S ENTIRE CAREER WAS BECAUSE THE CROWD THOUGHT BRET WAS COMING OUT INSTEAD OF HIM

EVEN CAVEMEN DREW MORE THAN SHAWN MICHAELS
WHAT A PATHETIC NO-DRAW POOPER TROOPER

>>1562509
WCW never giving the nWo/WCW feud a payoff is what killed WCW. Even post Starrcade 97, Hogan jobbed to Goldberg clean and WCW won in the ratings for a few weeks again (for the last time)

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>>1562523
>Mad cause you will never piss in whores mouth like based HBK

Go to bed Grandpa and dont forget your meds

>>1562520
Bro, every source confirms that every time hbk cut a promo on Terry he was backstage crying to Vince about how mean it was. The dude didn't want shit except to go over somebody popular to fuel his own ego.

>>1562521
>Hulk ruined TNA which was in a good state before Hogan & bischoff adventure that destroyed everything.

It was definitely a powerplay from Hogan, but Slammiversary 2012/Lockdown 2013 are the biggest crowds ever for TNA when they weren't in the UK, this was when Hogan was still there

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>>1562523

>>1562520
Dosn't change Hogan looked like garbage during the match and Shawn being a fucking retard was the only good thing about it

>>1562531
>some big crowds and the next 10 years totally ruined with the company close to being finished like 10 times

Thanks Based Hulkster! Totally worth!

>>1562530
Hogan jobbed to Lesnar, Angle, Rock etc clean as a whistle in 2002

>>1562535
He was 55 years old with two replaced hips and still managed to increase the buyrate 235k. Shawns selling unironically made the match better, but he still looked autistic

>>1562540
TNA was always destined to fail, as soon as they didn't give Heyman everything you knew it was over. The fact that they drew crowds that big back then is an achievement

Hogan hulking up is one of the biggest pops in TNA history, meanwhile now MVP says nigger on TV and gets no reaction

>>1562541
Hogan was shit in the ring every god damn year except for when he was in Japan.

Then he was """"""""""""""""""""""""decent"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>1562550
that's because MVP hasn't been over since 2006 and was never a draw

>>1562550
>TNA was always destined to fail
No they weren't.

And even if they were we will never know it because the whole reason they take the dive to the bottom was because of Hulk and Eric

>>1562541
Looks autistic to who, Terry marks? Literally everyone else enjoyed it for putting crybaby Terry in his place and saving the match from being total shit.

The only person I've ever seen have a problem with it is you.

>>1562551
Because he didn't need to do anything extra to be over for 30+ years and draw big crowds/get huge pops.

He got the crowd more invested in a match at 50 years old at WM18 than 99.8% of wrestlers ever could dream of

Where is Hogan in this picture :(?

D-d-do wrestlers not like him or something?

>>1562556
Yes they were, the fact that Dixie is STILL there shows how much of a joke it is.

>>1562557
You know this would make sense if the Orton match the next year wasn't decent, without Orton throwing an autistic fit in the ring

>>1562551
>hogan was shit in the ring
+18

his workrate declined in the 90's. but everything before the 90's was good especially in Japan and the awa.

he was better than rock and cena in the ring. the only top guy better than him in the ring was austin before owen hart dropped him

>>1562558
>Because he didn't need to do

Or because he wasn't capable of it with his roided and drugged up body.

Also he was only so over because of the time he was in.

Same shit with Andre.

Beeg is 10 times better than him so is Cena better than Hogan they would both have done the same impact.

>>1562565
>Also he was only so over because of the time he was in.

Hogan was the main draw for 18 despite being 50 years old and "roided and drugged up"

>>1562561
Bro just saying he looks autistic doesn't make it so, I can say I'm potus and a totes millionaire all I want it ain't happening. Just like nobody thinks he looked autistic but you because you want somebody else but your boy to have been embarrassed.

>>1562566
Because of Nostalgia.

If cena was over as him in the 80's (and he would have been if he had the same gimmick as he has today) and he would have returned for WM 18 he would also be the main draw.

And you know its true

>>1562568
>Just like nobody thinks he looked autistic but you because you want somebody else but your boy to have been embarrassed.

It was autistic, he threw a fit in the ring because he didn't get his way. The first time ever Shawn lost a political battle.

And why would Hogan be embarrassed? Increased the buyrate 235k and got huge pops, did his job and then some

>>1562565
>beeg and cena
>better than Andre and Hulk
you have to be 18 to use the site.

>>1562570
Are you saying BMJ is shit?

If you are then we can just end this argument right here

>>1562573
BMJ is based and way better than Hogan.

>>1562571
>It was because I say it was, nobody embarrasses my Terry.

The state of you m8. He saved that horrible shit match and you saying it didn't by yourself against everyone else saying it did is the true autism.

>>1562566
austin was still the biggest draw for 2002 in general though

WHAT? shirts everwhere

>>1562577
>austin was still the biggest draw for 2002 in general though

lmao

>>1562575
I love BMJ so I'm not gonna argue that, but if Cena is still drawing in 2026 you'll have a case

>>1562576
Again, this would make sense if the Orton match wasn't decent, and Hogan didn't get huge pops in that feud too.

>>1562572
>beeg not better than Andre

Kek

>>1562580
Cena will probably have a destroyed body by then because he actually does something in his matches instead of being like Hogan and being a lazy fuck while somehow still crippling himself multiple times

>>1562565
Paul was never a draw and never had a good match. Cena couldn't even come close to outdrawing Hogan in a match The Rock while Cena was still in his prime.

Hogan is 100x greater than Cena every way. Hogan literally made wrestling part of popular culture. He is the reason Cena has had a job as a wrestler.

>>1562584
>Hogan and being a lazy fuck while somehow still crippling himself multiple times

He took bumps for TNA at BFG11 with two replaced hips and a beyond fucked up back

>>1562586
>Cena couldn't even come close to outdrawing Hogan in a match The Rock while Cena was still in his prime.

Huh? I'm the Hogan mark in here but WM28 has the biggest buyrate for WM ever. That match even outdrew Trump and Floyd

>>1562587
>such a cripple with his style of wrestling

Fucking loser

>>1562580
Bro you're literally just saying the same thing over again hoping it'll work this time.

Ya boy Terry dropped a round . Deal with it.

>>1562584
Cena's program in the ring identical to Hogan's except Hogan knows how to actually work a crowd.
>spamming movez makes you a good wrestler
learn psychology

>>1562586
Andre would kill himself while trying to do half of the things Show has done in the ring.

>>1562593
>Hogan was lazy
>Haha Hogan is a cripple because of his wrestling matches, what a loser

>>1562594
Agreed, the buyrates sure indicated that. They even went up the next year when he wasn't the main event.

Isn't that what happened?

>>1562600
>he's only seen late 80's Andre
you have to be eighteen to post here

>>1562604
Dude he broke his back while doing fucking leg drops and bodyslams

Taker Did the Tombstone like a thousand times and he is still up for a match.

Terry funk literally kills himself every day for the past 50 years and he still good to go.

Hogan was just weak

>>1562604
>B-buyrate
So you like documented facts huh, so why is the well documented fact that everyone laughed at Hogan and that's the only thing that saved that match from going down as a boring shitfest so hard for you to grasp?

>I only care about what the facts say when they're congruent to my agenda.

>>1562608
Show me Andre doing a dropkick from the ropes or a kip up

>>1562612
Taker is 12 years younger than Hogan is and he can barely wrestle once a year. When Hogan was the same age he wrestled more matches than Taker does now (2002-03)

>>1562614
>so why is the well documented fact that everyone laughed at Hogan and that's the only thing that saved that match from going down as a boring shitfest so hard for you to grasp?

I guess I have to say this for the third time since nobody replied, but this would make sense if the Orton match the next year wasn't decent and he didn't get huge pops then too

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>>1561997
>You want excellent character work despite shitty push and bad creative? Then I got two words for ya - Bray Wyatt! Now this is real talent.

>>1562618
Taker's match at HiaC or SS were way better than whatever Hogan was doing in 2002 or later.

>>1562612
>Dude he broke his back while doing fucking leg drops
learn physics and try doing it yourself for 20 years. steve austin fucked his shit up from doing stunners. landing on your ass like that repeatedly will wreck you.
>implying funk isn't a wreck
>implying taker's knees aren't a wreck

>>1561997
>You want excellent character work despite shitty push and bad creative? Then I got two words for ya - Bray Wyatt! Now this is real talent.

>>1562618
Nobody replies because it's not relevant. How does his Orton match make his match against Shawn any less shit? It's like retorting that the product today isn't bad because it was good a few times sporadically. It has no barring on the fact that everything else is still fucking garbage.

Now you have five seconds to tell me what was good about that match outside of Shawn saving it with overselling. Go.

>>1562623
Hogan vs Rock was fucking great, but you either love or hate that match there's no in the middle

Shit even Vince vs Hogan was based, but Vince of all people carried that by doing a fucking legdrop through a table

>>1562630
>Nobody replies because it's not relevant. How does his Orton match make his match against Shawn any less shit

Because he put on a good match with Orton, and Orton didn't have to throw a fit in the ring because he had to job. He could have done the same with Shawn who was much better than Orton, especially back then

>>1562633
>Because he put on a good match with Orton
>Good match

What else.

maybe hogan/andre was a good match?

>>1562636
>What else.

Most 18+ worthy statement of all time. If you think Hogan/Orton was better than Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Savage or even Hogan/Shawn you need to get a clue

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>>1562633
See you couldn't name anything memorable about the match and never will be able to because Shawn saved it.

Now go ahead and hit me with your next, but Randy or muh buyrate like just saying it will bend reality to it.

>>1562220
> Flair is a GOAT
lmao

>>1562643
>See you couldn't name anything memorable about the match and never will be able to because Shawn saved it.

How did Shawn, a much better worker than Orton need to "save" a match with Hogan? You keep saying the Orton match is irrelevant because it destroys your argument, he had a good match with a worse worker a year after

>>1562370
Hi Phil!

lmao

Taker isn't even the main draw in his own thread, Hogan/Shawn are.

>>1562648
But Orton vs hogan was fucking shit just like hogan vs shawn but atleast hbk made it funny

>>1562648
Because Hogan looked like shit, was pretending to be injured to not have to do the other two matches and wasn't on par with Shawn's skill in ring anyways. It was like Stephen Regal vs Goldberg. The gulf in their abilities was evident.

Shawn saved it by overselling and saving us from him having to dummy down to get a good match out of old big boot and leg drop Terry.

Otherwise it was more of the same thing Hogan did in every match since he lost the ability to slam anybody.

>>1562657
you just hate Hogan matches then, not much I can tell you

You probably think Hogan/Rock, Hogan/Vince, Hogan/Warrior, Hogan/Savage etc was shit too. The only time Hogan was a real shit worker was Hollywood Hogan in WCW, his actual matches were bad and boring to watch

You anti-smarks are reaching a new low just to be contrarian

>>1562659
>Hogan wasn't as good in the ring as one of the best workers of all time

No shit, and he still again, had a good match with Orton a year later. Shawn didn't need to oversell to make the match good, Orton/Hogan was a barebones Hogan match and the crowd ate it up

>>1562664
Having opinions you don't like doesn't make someone a contrarian. Fuck off to wew

>>1562654
its because we all agree that Taker is based and we went to bashing the bald faggot with the vitamins

>>1562670
No, most posts in here said Taker was overrated before I came in. As soon as someone asked me who my GOAT was and I said Hogan, it turned into a Hogan thread

>>1562667
You keep saying that, nobody is arguing against it though. People ate up Terry's shit, but in the Shawn vs Terry match it was a shitfest and people are the overselling up and still do to this day and there's nothing that's going to change it, but least of all revisionist history on 4chan.

>>1562679
faggot

>>1562679
>Its still you

holy fuck get a life

>>1562680
It was a shitfest because of the politics backstage. Shawn is one of the best workers ever, he didn't need to oversell to get a good match out of Hogan. I keep bringing up Orton because he was a much worse worker and had a good match with Hogan without overselling. Shawn could have done the same

>>1562681
kek

>>1562679
There was only 20 posters when there was 80 posts. Only 2 unique posters have joined since. All the posts saying he was overrated were coming from the same person that's still been in this thread.

>>1562679
/asp/ is contrarian as fuck for the sake of it but when the gong will hit again(probably the last time)everyone will still eat it up

>>1562684
>Implying I haven't been arguing with the exact same people in this thread, including you

The unique IP count went up twice in like 100 posts

>>1562693
It was only 20 unique posters because the Hogan argument started, the first 10 or 20 posts were probably most of the unique IPs

>>1562695
probably

>>1562691
It's okay bro, you said it enough that it finally happened, the perception of the match has changed. You did it anon.

Based Hogan, nobody could avoid two matches that he might not have won like the Hulkster.

>Give your whole body life and everything to the business just to end up being insulted by some faggot on/asp/

poor marky

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>>1562707
Exactly, so don't act like you've got a vast majority of people on your side. Just own up that it's been us 6 faggots for most of it.

>>1562718
Arguing about Hogan? Yes

but before that came up more people said Taker was overrated

>>1562715
Based Hulkster being so undefendable your own reply is a reaction image.

How does he do it? Killed two companies, was such a pussy that the only one that survived him told him to fuck off numerous times, produced an untalented hack daughter and perfected crying back stage.

A true savant.

>>1562724
>Hating a wrestler this much

lmao

Why would I say the same argument for the sixth or seventh time? You never gave an argument for it besides "it was irrelevant".

>>1562720
prove it

>>1562732

>>1561931
>>1561936
>>1561949
>>1561988
>>1561991
>>1561996
>>1562011
>>1562234

More posters said he was overrated than not, then it turned into a Hogan thread and the unique IP count went up twice in 100 posts

>>1562739
prove it

>>1562720
U wot m8? Go actually give the beginning of the thread a gander it's equal parts defense and offense.

>>1562742
Easy, by staying in this thread arguing about Hogan the whole time and not noticing the unique IP count go up

>>1562745
"18+" and "Taker was tall" doesn't really count does it

Yes there were people saying he wasn't overrated but more people were on the other side

>>1562728
How does he do it? Even his marks have his trademark crying when things don't go their way ability and lack of irony.

Bollea for president.

>>1562759
>Still no argument

lmao

Hogan was the biggest piece of shit of them all
>Beat on your last match one of the biggest up coming stars in the company

Fucking faggot

>>1562753
prove it

>>1562765
yeah there is no defending not putting orton over

>>1562767
see
>>1562739

>>1562753
I see you posted one but ignored these and decided to ignore the whole fucking novel the guy actually wrote to focus on him saying he's tall so that's cool?
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>>1561981
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>>1562232

>>1562772
I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about the autists arguing about Taker's height.

>>1562760
Based Terry mark.

He pointed out no arguments while lacking one himself when no one else would.

>>1562777
Yes I did, the Orton match being good. You either ignored this or said "it was irrelevant" because it destroyed your argument. kek

>>1562771
prove the fags before the hogan debate werent 3 guys samefagging

>>1562789
The samefagging was all us arguing about Hogan

Ever since the Hogan argument started it went from 20 unique IPs to 22, 150 posts later. You can make another thread about this if you want but it'll turn into more autism

>>1562781
Based Terry mark, he continues to be mad that bringing up another match entirely doesn't save another from being shit. The dedication to this character is ten out of ten. I can't wait to see where he takes it next.

>>1562794
as i thought no evidence.
Taker is based Hogan is Based Shawn is Based lets end this shitty thing

>>1561948
I'm pretty sure he didn't go to WCW because his first WCW run was complete garbage and he most likely knew he was going to play second fiddle to Nash/Hogan/Sting/Goldberg.

>>1562798
>Orton, a worse worker than Michaels had a good match without overselling a year later
>Michaels somehow couldn't, and needed to "save" the match by overselling

Your argument either means that Orton is a better worker than Michaels or Michaels is shit, and we know neither of that is true

>>1562802
agreed desu

I never said any of them were shit in this whole thread, just said Taker was overrated. Still based

>>1562803
wow a unique IP

>>1562805
Or, different circumstances lead to better matches and Terry was trying to get out of working with somebody more talented than him unscathed.

Which is backed up by I'm crying for Vinny to make Shawn bad so he didn't steal the spotlight and making sure ther rematches didn't happen.

Totally the same as two plodding wrasslers being able to work an okay match together because you said it for the twelve time.

>>1562818
>Or, different circumstances lead to better matches and Terry was trying to get out of working with somebody more talented than him unscathed.

Then why did he job to Angle no problem and tap out?

>Which is backed up by I'm crying for Vinny to make Shawn bad so he didn't steal the spotlight and making sure ther rematches didn't happen.

>Implying Shawn wasn't crying the whole time either and got mad when he lost the political battle

Whole thing was a shitshow and Hogan "won". Despite that, Shawn could have still put on a good match without overselling. For all the shit about Hogan, he wouldn't go in front of the crowd and his fans and purposely have a bad performance. He was too big of a mark for himself to do that

>>1562828
Terry jobbed once, good for him. Doesn't change the fact that he ruined that Summerslam match by being his old never want to lose self and knew it, so he made sure he got out before he was the Goldberg to Shawn's Regal. You cannot honestly believe that you can convince anybody of his goodness when you can actively recount the times he jobbed immediately. Sure Shawn cried when Terry was the one to go beg Vinny to make Shawn heel so he didn't have to share the glory of the original icon vs icon match that was pitched.

You're a mark for a guy who even when he lost had to make everything about himself by immediately no selling finishers and running to hand people belts, ruining feud payoffs by refusing to do jobs despite the profile of said matches and taking his ball and leaving when nobody was giving him attention. Accept your lot in life.

>>1562855
>Terry jobbed once, good for him

>Lesnar
>Angle
>Rock
>Put over Edge big time and feuded with Billy Gunn when people like Austin wouldn't

All in a few months in 2002 alone

Not even going to reply to the rest because the first sentence is delusion. The fact that you're blinded by Hogan hate this much is odd

>>1562550
>MVP says nigger on TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yfZVnFFkDc

What a Badass! No one in the 'E ever had balls so big.

>>1562859
4 People and only 2 even needed a rub by the time he crawled back to the WWE. The rock and Angle certainly didn't beed his rub and he was notorious for only doing jobs for people who he couldn't ignore.

You're ignoring it because you have no rebuttal, it's really not hard to see m8.

My favorite Terry moment was when he completely no sold the warrior's finisher to slide out the ring to grab the belt and make it all about him passing the torch and not the Warrior's triumph.

>>1562869
>Angle certainly didn't beed his rub

Angle was in a midcard feud with Edge and wasn't on the card for Insurrextion, 2 PPVs before he made Hogan tap out. Hogan always did the "verbal submission" shit, he actually tapped to Angle here. That's big

I'm ignoring it because the first sentence of that post was delusion and you've been calling him "Terry" the whole thread. Everyone else dropped this argument besides you, either calling things irrelevant or calling him Terry

He was fucking terrible for years and only got good near the end of his career.

>>1562878
>wasn't on the card for Insurrextion

disregard this part, I forgot Insurrextion turned into a RAW PPV in 2002. Still was in a mid card feud with Edge before the Hogan match

>>1562878

Angle had already been WWF champ two times already , but tell me more.

>Crying about me saying Terry when people call Phil Phil all the time to no fanfare.

Nobody is forcing you to reply, you want to defend Terry don't put that on me. Also my second favorite Terry moment was when they started setting up a feud between him and flair that shit money and came exposure but Terry got wind that it might mean he has to lose and it fizzled out faster than your arguments.

>>1562894
Tell you more? How about Angle being in the mid card at WM18 while Hogan was the main draw? To say Angle didn't need the rub is delusion, he went from mid card feuds with Kane and Edge to making Hogan tap and being in a title match literally the next PPV

>people call Phil Phil
>implying I do

>>1562899
Again he was WWF champ twice, he was already over. Everyone fluxed on the card because the roster wws that stacked. Same happened to Jericho, Taker and many others who would just as easily go back to the top card. Hell, even the Rock started a mid card feud to put over hurricane helms.

>>1562911
Taker beat Austin at Backlash then won the title from Hogan the next big PPV
Jericho was the main event of Mania, interfered in the main event in the next PPV, and had a HIAC match with HHH the next PPV after that
Rock/Hurricane was 2003

not comparable to Angle at all

>>1562865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Owmb5Z5kl4

Only Vince.

>>1562920
Jericho was in a mid card team with Christian and losing to Trish and Lita and Taker feuded with the Hardys as well. And the Rock and helms shows that he juggling carried on for quite some time . Was the Rock some deadend midcarder a year later?

>>1562937
>Jericho was in a mid card team with Christian and losing to Trish and Lita

This was 2004, two years later and after Jericho lost every major feud he was in

>Taker feuded with the Hardys as well
Yes and Taker was the undisputed champion, Angle was in the mid card

>Rock and Helms
Feud lasted at most a month, Angle was in the mid card for 3-4 months