Eternal HEMA General

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>>1241154
On this topic, is the CS buckler like the only thing ever from Cold Steel that is actually pretty damn good for HEMA?

What's the difference between knife fighting and dagger fighting? As far as I know, knife fighting is about staying in a close guard and slash whatever the opponent let out of his guard, while dagger fighting is basically wrestling with a pointy (and sometimes sharp) short weapon, but I don't know much so I'm probably wrong. Can anyone help me?

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>>1241165

>>1241170
You really shouldn't just straight block pollaxe strike, you know. And why is there red dye all over the place?

>>1241218
According to the video that screenshot come from, is just to make more visible the damage it received.

>>1241915
Wow, congratulations, you sharpened a knife, welcome to the grown ups.

>>1241154
Anybody been training this weekend?
>skipped training again, went to fingerfuck some historic blades at an antique shop
>That Epee de ville
>Them caucasian blades

What do you folks think of rashguards?

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Are there any sources for the big German two-handers that apparently shouldn't be called zweihanders? I know there's at least a little bit for the montante, but I wasn't sure if that was the same as the German stuff or not.

And what is the generic term for the really big two-handers, Italian, German, or otherwise? Great sword?

>>1244191
For wrestling? Good idea! Other than that, they are not really needed in HEMA.

>>1244577
There is no generic term, and a German Renaissance Bidenhänder handles quite different to a Montante, it is a different beast. Also afaik there are no dedicated Bidenhänder manuals from the German school, just generic long sword techniques.

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>>1241154
Got a somehow serious question for (you). I'm currently an amateur-ish translation and the problem of letting some key words untranslated is hitting me. I would normally be on the team of "we should let some words in the original language because translation is always interpretation and we risk to lose some meanings in the translation", I've done some eastern martial arts before and I know that sometimes, translating the names of techniques is just detrimental. Now the translation I'm making right now doesn't have that much gaps between the two languages (italian to french), some technical words are fairly close to each other and even the french fencing texts had italian translations into them, so I see no reason not to use those appropriate (or at least sensible) translations. Nonetheless, some translations aren't as crystal clear and I'm still balancing on the issue of translating everything or only a part or in fact nothing of the very technical stuff (blows, guards, key concepts).
Now I've come across the very legitimate concern that not translating certain words highlight them and give them maybe more importance and meaning than they actually had in the original texts. Maybe, I think that this concept is very important and I should keep it in the original language but in fact... the author wouldn't actually care about this specific word, hell he perhaps would have used another word that is just as pertinent.

So here I am at some sort of crossroads and since I would like to have as many opinions as possible... And since we are posting period pieces.

>>1244861
Sounds like you're not in a very good position to make that choice. Get some people on board who actually know the text and have trained with it; let them comment on the importance of those particular terms.

>>1241167
As far as HEMA goes I'm pretty sure there is only dagger fighting. The only knife fighting I can think of offhand is Bowie (I guess it's European in the ethnic sense) in which case you're essentially correct knives have much more slashing than the dagger sources especially the main ones HEMA folk would use since the Rondel dagger would be abysmal for slashing especially someone dressed to fight in the Middle Ages and I think it's this idea that effects the difference more than the weapon.

Even the latest HEMA sources from the 20th century are essentially the dagger plays only they specify more slashing at extremities (and murder).

Now remember the layout of most medieval manuals mind you... Dagger is usually at the back after a students learned at least one kind of swordfighting and the manuals often don't repeat techniques a students learned with another weapon. So it's possible they thought slashing and cutting wasn't worth mentioning and where they fighting a duel with only daggers it would have looked much more like other dagger fighting than HEMA demos with our curious entries.

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>>1244949
>>1241167
There's much cutting in Italian tradition with the dagger.
Plus, some actual knife fighting was probably actually practiced, although almost absent in currently known tretises (pic from Cluny Fechtbuch)

>>1244861
I'd rather keep the original word and maybe add a note, a glossary, or brackets to include the current language translation. but that's just my opinion on that

>>1244949
>The only knife fighting I can think of offhand is Bowie
Bowie knife fighting is uniquely American I think.

I know there isn't any knife treatise, I was thinking about traditional knife fighting systems.

>>1246427
Yea but I've seen it occasionally at HEMA events.

nice "" community ""

>>1252744
>traditional knife fighting systems
i think there is some sicilian stuff, thought its mostly stabbing people in the chest, less cuts

Thinking of getting started with HEMA, can somebody give a rundown of London clubs? Which ones are good, what are they like?

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>>1253956
I know two, both good AFAIK (though i've never been to either, just seen their videos):

Schola Gladiatoria, run by Matt Easton, the bald context guy:
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt14YOvYhd5FCGCwcjhrOdA

And London Longsword Academy run by Dave Rawlings, the bald, mustached, sweary guy:
http://www.londonlongsword.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyaFDuz2CPsOMZtK5LOwTxw

>>1244577
No German sources specifically are currently known. It was very much a specifically battlefield weapon, and thus something taught person-to-person.

>>1244807
>>1254530
Well that's a little disappointing, but good to know.

When you say bidenhanders handle differently from montantes, why is that? Is one (typically) just a lot heavier or longer than the other? I guess I figured they were pretty similar, but I obviously don't know much about them.

>>1241165
My friend works in a steel shop and made one almost exactly like this with like $5 worth of materials.
Buy a sheet of steel and hammer/roll yourself.
Cheaper and cooler.

I'm having a hard time finding some affordable daggers for cut and thrust combat. Wanna give me some links?
I want it to be pretty flexible. Able to use with only a gambison.

>>1258737
What about the heat treatment? It isn't something most of the people can do on their own.

>>1258756
Regenyei or Danelli

>>1258971
No need to heat threat bucklers.
>>1258737
Honestly, looking cool is not one of my main goals, safety and longevity are far higher on my prio list

>>1258756
Rolled newspapper wrapped with tape. Seriously, a short metal weapon will be inflexible and inherently dangerous, thats why no one makes feder daggers and everybody uses just some simulators. Main gauche are possible exceptions.

>>1259079
>No need to heat threat bucklers.
Then it will look like a crashed car after a few hours of sparring.

>>1259091
Thats the fate of all bucklers. Besides that, afaik every buckler for sale is not heat threated, and usually they stand up to years of use and abuse.

>>1259091
Why so? In I.33 style of fencing people are supposed to parry mainly with their sword, are they not? Being the buckler more a hand protecting tool than an actual shield made to receive heavy blows it shouldn't suffer that severe damages, theoretically speaking. Is it that different in other s&b styles?

>>1259098
On a side note, I.33 bucklers where mainly wood and rawhide.

>>1259098
Anon never said what he's going to do with bucklers. If they are for I.33 you're mostly right, but then I'd suggest a wooden buckler with just the boss made of steel.
If anon is going to use his bucklers to parry blows, however, he will need something better than a buckler so easy to make at home.

>>1259121
Wood is fine with rawhide or leather on the edge unless you use the shittiest and thinnest wood ever. It's not a big shield, so even relatively thin wood can survive pretty well.

>>1259096
You have to consider the kind of steel used, its thickness and how the sheet was made into a buckler to know if it needs a heat treatment.

>>1259154
Yeah, whatever.

>>1258737
>CLANGCLANGCLANGCLANGCLANG

Non-metallic bucklers do have their advantages when it comes to regular training.

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>>1258656
Montantes are slimmer, lighter and faster to turn than the German Renaissance Bidenhänder. The Bidenhänders I have the measurements for are somewhere between 3.7kg and 4.5kg. Not sure what this means, either that they where mostly ceremonial or that they where used differently from what we know today.

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Finally, my gambison being made by a local guy was finally completed. I almost don't believe it's finally done, it was supposed to be finished in December.

>>1261260
Pics?

>>1261385
Don't have it on me at the moment, the collar and end of the sleeves need some minor modifications.

>>1261392
That sucks

Are dagger/knife techniques from Meyer and Fiore relevant to the modern day? Obviously the armor stuff isn't as useful, but being shived in some back alley by somebody was a concern then and still is now.

>>1262356
google "dutch dagger treatise", you may find some good stuff

i want to fight people with a gaddjhalt

>>1262655
Did you mean: gaddhjalt
Also, what a retarded name for ordinary arming sword.

>>1262666
>arming sword
Are we on pleb level now? Talk Oakeshott man!

>>1262666
>ordinary arming sword
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

its a cavalry broadsword dude
type xis arent arming swords

>>1262356
Very much so but they're almost all for very large knives.

If you're going to be attacked with a large knife by a guy you know is coming the techniques are all relevant as ever. In fact I find them all the time while cross training other martial arts.


Overall sparring experience and footwork are going to help a lot more.

>>1262438
The "prison" technique is gold

>>1262438
>>1263097
Be very careful when you train that stuff, most techniques are meant to break your joints and they work surprisingly well
>almost had my wrist broken by a tiny little girl with technique 13r

>>1241154
i mistake the black swords guy for a monkey every single time with that thumbnail before zooming in

>>1263123
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Vechtboek_%28MS_BPL.3281%29
P.S. I believe it wouldn't work that well for knifes with sharp cutting edges, but for collapsible batons it should be some real nasty shit.

Hey, quick questions from someone looking to get into HEMA:
Is anyone besides Rich Marsden out of Arizona doing Polish Saber? It's what I want to train towards after working through rapier & cut and thrust.
Or has anyone read his Polish Saber book? I want to know if it's really worth the $60.
>BTW I'm starting in on reading Capoferro: does that seem wise?

>>1263891
The Poles themselves do a lot of Polish Saber, but be warned, since there are next to no original sources it is borderline reenactment. Check at Feder.org for more info, or just write them, they are a very friendly bunch)

>>1245182
Most fights with dagger resolved in both people getting heavily injured.
Infact, even rapier/dagger duels resolved in the victor getting so injured that he either died of infection within a month or was crippled for life.

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>hema fags still think they're doing anything other than roleplaying

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>>1265030
Hows your sports fencing thread doing? Many replies?

>>1265028
>Infact, even rapier/dagger duels resolved in the victor getting so injured that he either died of infection within a month or was crippled for life.
That seems a very simplistic view, many people had several fights with sword and dagger during their lives, leaving them wounded certainly, but not crippled for life.
The simple fact that we can trace a good deal of people who had more than a dozens of death fight during their life would suggest that there are indeed people fortunate and skilled enough to fight and live through it. Classic example François de Montmorency-Bouteville killed something like thirty persons in his short life, and that's not considering the off the side fights. And though he was viewed as pretty great he wasn't alone in that regard.

Dagger fighting is nasty, rapier and dagger leaves more room for winning without to much of a scratch.

>>1265028
>>1265148
No need to speculate, someone was nice enough to compile some numbers: http://hroarr.com/fencing-culture-duelling-and-violence/

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>>1265156
Not a lot of numbers though... but plenty enough of "frenchmen were bloody-crazy" ! Nice read anyway, thanks.

>>1265030
Low quality b8.

>>1241154
Hema guys, please post for me what you consider your best/ favorite hema videos. I'm interested in comparisons between types of swordsmanship

>>1267119
Longsword vs Rapier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Dy-zy7Npo
In general most of his sparring videos are pretty interesting.

>>1267119
Talking about German Longsword, I freakig love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc

>>1267247
Those guys are fast

>>1267119
I personally really like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6919fC6Nck
John O'meara (Fabris) against Puck Curtis (Capo Ferro with some Destreza here and there)

And the same with sideswords:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lCtRsFu3Xo
O'Meara (something Viggiani-ish), Curtis (something Destreza-ish)

>>1267337
They are drilling (really fast) so...

>tfw you will never be with mado and suck her lips

>>1267119
Even tho as a rule I don't like period clothing in HEMA videos I love all the TheRealGladiatores videos especially this one as I'm pretty sure it was my first introduction to HEMA or at least .gifs of it on /k/ or /tg/ were.
youtube.com/watch?v=ohmLaZHStmI

This is my go to video for explaining or selling HEMA to other Martial Artists and I also post it alot in threads about fighting in Armour (just for the grappling.)
youtube.com/watch?v=cLt0mA23MDE


This last ones another fave sadly its cheesey as fuck hip hop/maybe rap soundtrack's been muted.
youtube.com/watch?v=zkpR0D79M5o

>>1267247
This ones the best tho. I think it should be the model all HEMA videos are presented to.

HE ACTUALLY DID IT
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBRHra6llvI

>>1267425
Why they wear such shitty protection in current year?

>>1267685
Because it's enough for rapier?

>>1267158
>>1267247
>>1267425
>>1267586

Thanks

>>1267158

anything involving a spear makes you realize how great spears are for dueling

>>1267119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bV-L0w2JzI

Any news on those cheap feders from etsy?

>>1268855
It seems the first batch still hasn't been delivered. There's a picture of a bunch of bare blades on FB.

>>1268822

It's no Star Wars Kid, but it's pretty good.

Are there anything on fighting with warhammers or maces? Or is it a very specific topic normally for the battlefield?

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>>1267445
>tfw you will never practice wrestling with Galina

>>1269125
I've seen artwork with war hammers so I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure there isn't. I think essentially if you can fight with a sword you can fight with a hammer so it would be a waste to repeat techniques.

>>1267119
>>1267425
The WMAW dinner fights are great. This one's probably my favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WH974doYI8

They dress up a bit funny there, but it's some real high quality fighting.

Are there any good videos of HEMA longsword fencing? The stuff I've seen so far isn't much better than SCA/LARP. Everyone forgets about their guards and just ends up swiping around from breve. Where can I see video of people actually attempting to use any of plays from the German and Italian longsword manuals?

>>1270147
Read a few answers above: you'll find some really good longsword vid

>>1270277
Only longsword sparring vid I've seen in this thread was >>1267247. I was hoping for some more recommendations.

>>1270331
Look here, o blind one:
>>1267586

>>1268704
Too bad only few people spar with spear, and most of them do it wrong. It's a cool weapon.

>>1270057
Warzecha's style is always wonky and it doesn't get better with those mensur-googles, nonetheless, it's nice to see a great exchange done with a certain lightness of spirit.

There's also the tri-sparring with messer between Grandy, and the same two, with some commentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfUG97lYkEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZCeI5t3F-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkQO0kT4SZA

>>1270331
>Only longsword sparring vid I've seen
They aren't sparring but drilling in this one...
(and apparently the interpretation isn't good anymore as they've revised it).

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>>1269125
I guess you're talking about one handed warhammers/maces to use with a shield. Unfortunately there isn't much about it.
IIRC there is something about judicial duels with mace and shield.

If you're talking about two handed warhammers, there's some good shit about poleaxe.

>>1270377
First vid is amazing but not really what I'm looking for. Second vid is a clusterfuck.

>>1270450
I see where you're coming from you're hoping to see clean depictions of techniques to judge HEMA on what you've decided realistic or good swordfighting looks like. Well unfortuately sparring is a bit of a clusterfuck, but i posted that video because it's the best sparring I've seen.

There's plenty of techniques on display there. It's not an easy thing to close to grapple with HEMA rules and they do it constantly there.

Anyway we all love swordfighting here so keep us posted on what you find that's superior to HEMA so we can all jump ship.

>>1270623
One of the legit complain that applies to the swordfish fight is having the two fighters engaging only in breve/ overextanded pflug. The only other guard that is used here in there before the actual clashing of blades would be a short donna/vom tag.

It's the same thing in kendo, even though there are five guards (and that's really not a lot), the only two you actually see are chudan and jodan, so basically the same as in this fight (in terms of use anyway).

Not to say that it shows otherwise poor skills (it would be dead false), and I have seen videos with Pettersson forcing himself to use a specific guard and working from here, so it's not like this issue isn't adressed. Nonetheless, it does look like the "middle guard point forward" is what is used perhaps way too much in longsword especially considering it's not at all that proeminent in the texts.

>>1270665
>>1270623
Oh and more of this about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6MwO73W-dg

>>1270665
>Nonetheless, it does look like the "middle guard point forward" is what is used perhaps way too much in longsword
You're goddamn right

Can you aspies me find a vid plz? There was this guy solo training with his longsword before GHFS' flag: anybody got the link? It looked like a nice workout-drill-thing, but I cannot find the vid anymore

>>1270819
>
can you aspies *help* etc

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>>1270389
What, you don't think this is the new face of HEMA?

broke a guys hand in practice, dont know how to keep speed whilst not hitting so damn hard.

>>1271807
You don't. F=1/2*m*v^2

You could try to pull the blow right before impact, but that's about it.

What was he wearing?

>>1271858
>F=1/2*m*v^2

Is this some new meme? Saw exactly this over in /k/ earlier today. Or are people just that consistent in how they get force and energy confused?

>>1271807
You don't. Slow the fuck down. Speed is an overvalued commodity.

>>1270665
What did you think would happen in a sporting context?

I'd make a rule that you could choose any guard to fight from only once per exchange.

>>1270623
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just happen to be particularly talented at being unintentionally offensive. What I'm looking for is a video of a competition that's more representative of the techniques shown manuals like Fiore's. Does such a thing exist?

>>1270665

Dare we consider that it gets used a lot because people find it more effective for whatever reason?

>>1272558
Clearly that wasn't the opinion in the middle ages. Fiore barely mentions it and even the German tradition where it's much more common tends to favor ox and fool's guard. What's changed since the 15th century to make plow the end all and be all of guard positions?

>>1271408
Frankly, I think Warzecha goes sometimes a little bit too far in his interpretations (that pommel thing for one and a half hand swords for instance), but otherwise he is obviously talented, entertaining, and his style... well.
Sometimes, I think it's too much, but he pulls it so naturally, the socks, the choice of color (dat orange and blue), top it with those googles, it's too fabulous not to like.

>>1272558
It certainly is effective in order to control the center, but when you have people like Fiore who said that breve is very dangerous to use out of armor, you have to ask yourself, do the protections used in tournament impairs judgement and make you fight like in an armored fighter when you are suppose to simulate unarmored fighting (how do you simulate unarmored fighting with tons of protections btw?) ? Easton's points sounds very valid to me, about this precise thing at least. There are a lot of different guards in longsword and sure, we are informed about the fact that this stance gain much more popularity couple of centuries later, but with longsword passing footwork and the forms of cuts, you have to wonder why we mainly see (saw?) breve and sometimes donna/tag in like 90% of the engagings, this and right foot forward everywhere (when left foot is suppsoe to be better for cutting while passing). It's a valid complaint and the setting of the tournament should say to us that this is great in this format, but probably less than ideal in any other situation.

>>1272722
>What's changed since the 15th century
The attitude. We surely don't approach swordfighting in the same way people did centuries ago. I guess this happens in other martial arts too.

>>1272731
I don't compete in HEMA tournaments. Are the hands off limits or something? Even if there's less danger of breaking your hands in a modern setting, wouldn't it still be stupid to give up points you don't have to?

>>1271858
red dragon gloves, just caught him badly.

>>1272753
Red Dragon gloves are not made for steel sparring.

>>1272759
one handed synthetic.

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>>1272722
Possibly a lot of factors at work here. I'll toss in the shoes and floors as one that may be important. In my limited experience with good traction you can use a more darting, olympic-fencing like approach, and they do go for rather pflug-like guards (modified to suit the weapons). As things get more slippery this becomes less viable, which I think would make you more likely to step in with a big, heavy swing (von tag/donna) to get a jump start on the winden struggle. And I guess ox would be more popular then so you're already prepared to catch that.

Time to take a cue from tennis and hold a few grass tournaments perhaps?

>>1272745
Oh dear lord. Hands are the majority of the points.

>>1272781
Then you have a hell of a strike, dude

>>1272967
Just bad luck, the guy's alright.

>>1272850
Can confirm, my last poule had like 4 fights ending in something other than a cut arm (we were doing first to 3 points wins, anything disabling gives 3). IIRC we were 7 in that poule, so the vast majority by far were arms/hands.

>>1272850
>>1273385
So why do people continue to use guards that expose their hands? And why isn't there a guy that cleans house at tournaments because he mainly uses posta di donna and porta di ferro like Fiore says?

>>1273620
Most of us used rather conservative Pflug, but people can get good at staying just out of distance and hitting when you extend to attack. Back edge cuts in particular can easily end up like this.

It's not just an issue with Posta Breve.

>>1273620
Pflug feels safe. People just forget it may actually expose their hands. It is definitely something they should work on to improve themselves.

Thoughts on these guys/their fighting style?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3wQl3DH_A8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHJvFAdWlPQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PkZCsOeY5M

>>1274288
They need fencing masks. And proper swords.

>>1274288
the fuck is with all the one-handed strikes?

>>1274337
They don't have masks so they have to go for lower openings and they're using light swords.

I have a tournament next sunday but my low blood pressure makes it very hard to train and sparring is literally hell. I don't know what to do, my teacher said not to worry too much because it is not a super serious tournament, but I don't want to go there without being able to give 100% of what I got

>>1274337
>>1274350
AFAIK the one-handed sword strike is a legit technique, correct me if I'm wrong? They have a video where they do use masks, I can link it if you guys want.

At Battle of the Nations in Prague (yeh yeh I know) & saw a feder @ a good price. Any "quality control" tips?

What should I look out for, like in design, weight/balance, material etc?

Yes Im a newbie at this, but fuckit I might go for it.

>>1274393
Yes, it's called gaysler, gessler, or something like that. It's in Talhoffer at least, one handed cut to the legs. I think there's also a one handed thrust somewhere.

It's just that you see a lot of them when people use light weapons.

>>1274391
Ask your doctor? Just drink extra coffee/coke/whatever? Or just do what you can.

But seriously you should ask your doctor, not 4chan.

>>1274405
Flex it and check that it goes back to straight. Check the balance and weight (handle it a bit). Check the grip for comfort. Make sure it's a peened pommel. Make sure the cross isn't too pointy unless you actually want to Mordschlag someone.

>>1274422
What weight is 'light' for you? What weight is proper?

>>1274434
It doesn't really fit entirely well, but lets say for a minimum 1 gram/mm of length. It fits well for the low end, 1.2Kg for a 1.2m sword. But it's also a matter of PoB.

Funny thing though, the Blackfencer wasters seem to fit that formula really well.

I'm not sure what they're using but it looks more like boffers than any synthetic longsword i've seen. Though for example the Rawlings longsword is 124cm at only 785g.

Also if the blades are too floppy i guess one could be discouraged from using bind related actions.

Who is considered the best Longsword practitioner today?
Same question about Sword&Buckler as well

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>>1274288
lol no

>>1274686
What makes you think people would agree on something like that?

>>1241167
The real difference is length. Daggers are fucking long, whereas knives can be anywhere from 3 to whatever inches, but that's still not as long as daggers.

Because daggers are so fucking long there's a lot of shit you can and can't do when compared to knives. Also a lot of daggers had "pommels" which were used to bash.

>>1262356
Dagger is useless for modern knife fighting. Maybe some of the knife grapples are useful, but let's be honest. You won't get a good grapple on a guy who is trying to do the sewing machine into your stomach, or ice-picking into your back.


So /asp/ what's your fucking school and do you spar at full speed every night? Why the fuck not?

>>1274732
You don't have to agree on it, that's what competutions are for.
Guess I should've asked who are instead of is.

>>1274884
>that's what competutions are for.
That doesn't seem like the best metric to use - not by itself, at least.

>>1274861
>You won't get a good grapple on a guy who is trying to do the sewing machine into your stomach, or ice-picking into your back.
What's changed? Do people with knives today consider themselves more disposable than people with knives in the 12th century did?

>>1274391
Same here. I don't know an always-working solution, but you can try something. First of all, some things raise the blood pressure. Coffee, licorice, cigarettes (well, smoking before a tournament is stupid, tho) and other stuff. Find what works for you.
You also need some adrenaline. Try with some epic music and with some sparring right before the tournament. Get mad, or do whatever makes your body actually ready to fight.
For me, sometimes it works. Other times, I don't get to the right mood until I'm out of the tournament. Still working on it.

>>1275007
Clothing, culture, law and the need to defend at least briefly against sword strikes has lessened. Not that I agree with the other poster anyway the only reason dagger fighting isn't entirely (if not more) effective as ever is no one really carries daggers anymore.

>>1274686
>Sword&Buckler
Roland-senpai is

>>1274426
I asked him some time ago, I did all the exams etc and he said that "everything is normal so you will have to wait and see if it goes away"
I will probably talk with him again >>1275052
thank you, I will try some of your tips

>>1275292
After the event, let me know what works for (if anything works) and let me know if you find any other idea

>>1275299
*for you

>>1274686
>Longsword
I'd say Axel Petterson or Ties Kool, albeit my favourite one is still Keith Farrel

>>1274686
Define "best"

Also [bait alert >>1275165] how do you know Roland-senpai is the best if he never competes in any tournamet?

>>1275403
You know how

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What's the best way to learn backsword/saber?
I've already ordered a purpleheart singlestick.

Was getting an Absolute Force basic HEMA mask a mistake? Should I get the shin guards?

>>1241165
Their rondel training daggers are okay.

>>1275087
Makes no sense...

If everybody carried and used daggers back then, then by necessity and darwinism their techniques would be effective as fuck.

We need an iceberg tier list of the HEMA weapons and disciplines

>>1279830
It would something like
>normie: longsword
>dat guy: saber, rapier
>creep: i.33, some other rare stuff
>somestupidterm: non-existent shit
Optionally, add magic-based treatises for giggles.

>>1279905
I.33 isn't that uncommon and weird. I'd say Mair paesant weapons are for creeps.

>>1280018
>>1279905
I:33 kinda seems the default s&b style for people who are already doing german stuff and want to do s&b, it's really not that rare.

I'd agree that Mair peasant weapons works better for creeps.
What would be hipster-tier ? Patenostrier's rapier ?

>>1279905
Newfag here, what makes saber abd rapier "that guy"?

>>1280423
I'm not sure unless it means "that guy with a huge right arm".

>>1280441
Thank God years of furious, no-switch masturbation have aided me in my fencing career. Hopefully my basic sport fencing background ought to aid me in Singlestick.

>>1280423
for longsword plebs, everything else is "that thing"

>>1280452

tbf sabre fencing is much tougher on your delts and backside then it is on your "arm"

anyone going to the astolat hema open?

Where can I find decent instructional videos, or clear manuals? Only manuals I found were barely readable.

Interested to learn Longsword, S&B, Sidesword and Sabre.

>>1282068
Fiore for longsword, I33 for s&b, Marsden for saber. Just Google each along with "pdf".

>>1282068
Do you want to read the actual manuals or translations ?
If the later, then here's the obvious non-fancy Fiore (longsword and much more):
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi
And the fancy Fiore (Getty):
http://www.fioredeiliberi.org/fiore/translation-images-getty.pdf

And maybe for Fiore's longsword and others, you can check Guy Windsor's channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/swordschool

For sidesword, later sidesword at least (second half of the 16th century), there is dall'Agocchie and Viggiani. Mind you those two are close to the Bolognese tradition (especially dall'Agocchie) but there are some changes in mindset compared to the early 16th century and the early masters (Marozzo and Manciolino), especially about the use of the point which is preferred to the cut when possible and therefore guards and strategies changes to accomodate this.
dall'Agocchie:
http://celyn.drizzlehosting.com/jherek/ENGDALLAG.pdf
Viggiani:
http://celyn.drizzlehosting.com/jherek/Schermo.pdf

Has anybody bought a "Swordbag Liechtenauer" (http://www.swordbag.at/) recently? Their order page is fucked, so i'm wondering if they're still alive or what.

I'm considering the PBT HEMA bag too but it's twice the price...

Is there a faster way to break in a fencing jacket other than just using it a lot?

Need entry level sword recommendation

>>1285063
What kind? For sparring? Cutting?

>>1285136
Medieval longsword, for.. idk.. i just want one fuck you

>>1285146
Then just buy a shitty Hanwei and hang it on the wall or whatever.

>>1285156
any good youtube channels other than Skallagrim?

>>1285186
Literally dozens. If you're interested in swords and HEMA. Schola Gladiatoria is the best place to start and you can just branch out from there.

>>1284754
I hear sleeping in it can help.

>>1285186
LondonLongsword (HEMA instructor) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyaFDuz2CPsOMZtK5LOwTxw
ScholaGladiatoria (HEMA instructor, British history) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt14YOvYhd5FCGCwcjhrOdA
Roland Warzecha/Dimicator (HEMA instructor, mostly I.33) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnXjzhYu7VgA-R3XVpT2XTQ
Lindybeige (General history stuff, reenactment wargaming) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9pgQfOXRsp4UKrI8q0zjXQ

>>1285156
is Albion considered good?

>>1285198
Sala deli Armi: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCc9JpJAFKj-HbMn5wcNV3w
Ilkka Hartikainen: https://www.youtube.com/user/celgus

>>1285217
In general yes, had some QQ issues afaik

>>1285217
Yes. It's expensive for something so standard, but great quality and i hear they do free repairs (just pay postage). Of course if you're not in the US that's a lot less appealing.

>>1285186

Guy Windsor's Swordschool channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/swordschool
Academy of Historical Fencing
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_HtUzv9WIfxx31eYKDo4aA
Rob Runacres and others
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKkp2tBCe69Rhts_cSx96Xw

Do you guys use your skills to kill people? Or at least plan to do so?

>>1287414

It's the only way to make it to the Gathering.

Do girls do hema or is it a sausage fest?

If I started, could I get a gf?

>>1287838
Yes


I doubt it

>>1287838
yes, we have 4 girls including me in our club, and maybe another one will join next year

Anyone else painting masks in here?
I don't have a pic atm but will post later.

>>1288163
neckbeard

>>1288127
you no girl, there are no real girls in the internet, it is known

>>1288163
>>1288218
nothing wrong in painting 'em imho

>>1288600
this post gave me autism

>>1288620
nah, you had autism way before that

Thoughts on the new spes "hussar" jacket?

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Ignore the poster above; tell me what you know of the NF jacket instead!

>>1288218
Are putting patches on your fencing jacket neckbeard?

>>1271408
Where does he get his pants? The 3/4 length ones with the ties at the end. I want a pair.

>>1289933
just get a basic 15-bucks-tier pair of basic martial arts black pants, cut them at knee lenght and add ties

>>1289933
There's a german LARP webshop with those kind of pants. Check for the "Kilian Kniebunghose" by mytholon.

>>1290511
Those do look pretty close. Thanks.

>>1258656
From what I know as well, the German Zweihanders were used primarily as defensive weapons in war (such as defending flags, forward breakthrough sections, and commanders), and handled more like polearms than longswords.

I believe Montane's were used primarily in a civilian bodyguard context, hence why the manuals we have on the weapon all mention techniques for defending someone in a city or being ambushed.

>>1289614
yes

>>1291735
Would HEMA-themed patches be double neckbeard then?

>>1241154
For those of you who do saber stuff, what type of saber do you use and where is the balance point on the blade?

>>1292008
Patches depicting painted masks for maximum neckbeard.

>>1288754
>>1289277
No one cares, it seems

>>1293916
So it does. Gonna get an AP jacket, I guess. Not enough money to take chances.

>>1293917
Yeah, me too. I guess it's enough for S&B.

>>1294570
I'd say it's perfectly fine for longsword too, just add forearm/elbow protection. Which you probably want anyway.

what do you guys do during a tournament if there's lots of pauses and/or you dont pass to the next stage and have nothing to do?

>>1294784
In case I didn't pass, then I friendly spar with other losers. In case I just have to wait, I keep myself warm but without tireing myself up. I also check whoever I will fight next to know in advance what to expect.

I also pee a lot due to adrenaline.

>>1294791
I see, next time I will try not to be a shy idiot and ask someone to spar with me
Also I saw a couple of people who got into the tournament without a gambeson/jacket, they basically had no protection from the sternum down (wore those hockey plates or something similar). I understand that with nylon swords it seems like a lot of protection isnt needed, but a person I know broke a hand of a guy once in a tournament and he was wearing gloves ffs. Also a friend I was with had to fight with one of them and told me he found it difficult because he didnt want to accidentally hurt them.

>>1294814
To be fair fingers are a lot more fragile than arms and such, smaller bones and less muscle-padding. Also a much thicker tip, so i wouldn't expect anybody to end up with a perforated belly or anything.

But it's true it can be unfair on your opponents, most people do not actually want to cause injury, even those who get a bit too fired up.

>>1294814
I think I know what tournament you've been at. I've been at a past tournament of the same club and I had fun friendly sparring with a lot of people. I understand it is annoying that some people lack in protections, just avoid them. They're getting better gear year after year, by the way, so thinks are getting well and accidents won't happen anymore. For every broken bone ten people go for proper jackets and gloves.

>>1294830
You can't avoid them if they're in the same tournament and you get matched I think. I don't remember the name of their club but it was in Italy so I'm not sure if we're referring to the same one

>>1294855
>it was in Italy
I guessed right, then
>You can't avoid them if they're in the same tournament and you get matched I think
You're right, I was talking about friendly sparring. In the tournament there's indeed little you can do about it. Fortunately there aren't so many of them as it used to be.

>>1294892
Woah if you were in the basic greatsword tournament maybe we even met. I got rekt badly so I didnt pass the first stage though

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How do the cross-discipline fights normally go?
I'll learning Singlestick fencing, and a Kendo-learning friend wants to spar. What could I expect?

>>1295077
Rapier and dagger tends to win unless there's a two hander with more reach involved.

On your specific case it's probably more reach on the singlestick vs more strength on the shinai since it's two handed. Watch out for one handed stuff though.

>>1295083
You may want to try that over there at the kendo thread >>1269743

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>>1295097
I'm not going to be using rapier and dagger, I'll be using pic related

Thanks for the thread link, I appreciate it

>>1295128
I'm just saying in case you ever fight with/against rapier and dagger, when you mix weapons you discover why it got so popular.

>>1295142
I took sport fencing for a while when I was younger, learned the basics of it all from this Russian guy who came stateside at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
He had three daughters, older one was an Olympian, the younger two might've been ten, and they kicked my ass, and it taught me a valuable lesson.

Getting into HEMA, I decided I'll take Singlestick, seeing how the discipline is much the same foundation, and as a proud American, the history is nifty.

>>1295128
>>1295097
> rapier
You should definitely go for it.
Rape is the only way you fat boromir cosplaying fraggles will ever lose your virginity
Fuck off to /k/

>>1295155
Your mum took Singlestick but it wasnt enough for her, so she got the Triplestick

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>>1295161
That's hurtful, my dude

>>1295160
I'll rape you

>>1295167
S-sorry m8

>>1295077
Kendo might be a bit tricky, just due to their very sport-and-ritual oriented approach. A lot of the things I learned in Kendo as "practical and sensible" went out the door once I started HEMA.

>>1295171
I cannot forgive you for this

What's the good YouTube channels to watch in HEMA?
I really dig this Schola Gladitoria guy, and Skallgrim seems like a faggot desu.

>>1298370
read the fucking thread, cockmuffin

>>1269459
Take me away brawny maid

>>1298491
Have a semen enema, nerd.

I'm asking for opinions, and I know that not everyone's is listed.

Duel to death or calm the fuck down.

>>1295077
Expect tons of lightning-fast Men (it's basically a Scheitelhauw)

Do synthetic wasters "bounce" much in comparison to steel?

>>1299157
Steel is crisper and sharper in response, but it is also heavier and a tad slower.
Synthetics are a bitch in the bind.

What/when will be the next big events in europe this year?

Il it possible to conciliate the martial art and the sport?

>>1301485
*is it

>>1301477
HEMAC Florentia next week in italy
Barcelona meeting
google HEMA events map

>>1301485
As long as we don't standardize rules we're pretty safe. You can't train for a specific rule set if there isn't one.

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>>1295077
I can't help you, sorry. Anyway, what manual(s) do you study singlestick from? I'd like to start it too.

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>>1301796
I'm learning in four ways
Firstly, I have a sport fencing background that means I largely have footwork and stance down, I didn't have to learn much new regarding those basics
Secondly, I learned out of Gutenberg's Broadsword and Singlestick. I'll have the pdf for it for you below
Thirdly, I have watched Schola Gladitoria's military saber videos. These are helpful in that they show and explain about all of the things taught in the manual. I've only noticed Aight differences, like weight on left foot vs weight spread even at second and first position
Fourthly, I practice these, with a mixture of sparring with a friend who while not learning it truly, loves to be taught a quick lesson and spar, as well as solo training drills.

I bought my helmet from Absolute Force, the Basic HEMA one, and my Singlestick from Purpleheart Armory.

Here is the PDF: ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/gutenberg.org/3/1/2/1/31214/31214-h/31214-h.htm

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>>1301796
WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS REFERENCE PICTURE!?
I NEED MORE!
>tfw I had the same Patten Mask at home but gave it away to a local WWI group
>At least I have a second one
>yfw I'm in Australia
>>1302431
ayyy boi u want sum singlestick manuals, I can hook you up...

>>1301492
>no mention of Fightcamp
Pleb.

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>>1302754
>ayyy boi u want sum singlestick manuals, I can hook you up...
Niggy, hit me up with that hot shit

>>1302754
Honestly I just searched "siglestick" on tumblr and that was the first pic to appear.

>>1302431
Thanks man

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>>1292166
Anyone?

Any new about koning gloves yet?

>>1302845
>excessive hype on Fightcamp
Brit.

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>>1303509
My Regenyei sabre has an 85cm blade, with the centre of mass 13cm from the guard, and a forward picot point maybe 24cm from the tip.

>>1302845
Not like it was sold out the first day registrations were open or anything...

>>1303509
Down boner! Down!

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>>1303720
What?

>>1303543
>Excessive hype
>Implying it didn't sell out in one day
Alright, pleb.
>I'm from Austria actually

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What's the best training saber out there?

>>1303573
How much does it weigh?

>>1303756
My sincerest apologies then, sir

>>1292166
Well, so far I only have a Singlestick to spar and train with, and so I'd like to see myself what everyone else is using.

is the neyman fencing jacket better than the AP jacket?

>>1304627
Waiting for mine, might get here next week.

Meanwhile here's a review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5BPQfxDvw

>>1304649
Forgot to say that's the augmented jacket, the normal one doesn't come with the shoulders, forearm+elbow, or the extra plates.

>>1304655
i want the extra plates but i want thinner forarms so i can use my extended cuff sparring gloves.com gloves

>>1304656
Send them an email or message on FB, they're very accommodating to customizations.

I asked them for attachments for the shoulderpads on the normal jacket, color changes on the cuffs and zipper and extra loops on the pants so my Red Dragon shin+knee guards will stop falling down and they said yes to everything.

>>1304656
They have no problem in making custom works. afaik they don't even charge that much

>>1273620
Nobody seems to answer this correctly: it's because few to no fighters can be arsed to train themselves to the level of having correct timing for using rebats, zwerchhaus and similar counterblows. German longsword is about 80% counterfencing, but nobody wants to do or even teach that because it's hard to learn, so they just stand around whacking with basic cuts like goobers. Pflug is good for acting like a tard, so that's what gets used.

>>1275007
>What's changed?
Nobody walks around in armor anymore. The rondel dagger techniques in the treatises are like the rondel daggers themselves: meant for armored guys fighting other armored guys. That's the reason for the icepick grip as well. If somebody punches five blows into the side of your torso when you're wearing Gothic plate, you don't give a fuck.

>>1303488
No problem m8, do well for us

Howdy gents, I have an interest in HEMA but I don't know where to start, would buying a feder be a good thing to do first? and also theres places that do lessons, but the guys teaching it must have the same access to manuscripts as I right?

>>1303871
850g

>>1305240
People to train with is your first priority.

>but the guys teaching it must have the same access to manuscripts as I right?

Most likely, yes. Now hopefully he will have years of a head start on you when it comes to interpreting those manuals and putting it into practice, and he may even have been taught by someone who, in turn, was years ahead of him.

As for what gear to buy, assuming that club or whatever it is you have nearby is of any worth, it rather depends on what loaner gear they might have, and how they do things. Mask, gloves, cup and some kind of training sword will probably end up being the first purchases, but don't dive in before you know what you're after.

>>1305240
>the guys teaching it must have the same access to manuscripts as I right?
Yes, but you better never think you can understand the treatise just as good as them until you have some good experience. Interpretation is a hell of a bitch and requires notions that aren't in the treatises themselves. Also teachers don't 100% get them, but HEMA hive mind makes the understanding clearer day after day.

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How whacked up are you usually supposed to get in HEMA? Singlestick with minimum protection (helmet and glove) is fun, but I worry about getting hurt beyond the regular level of bruising.

>>1303865
I am also curious about this, given that the Regenyei is not available at this time.

I just got my first feder, a nylon blackfencer.

Now I'm thinking I'll get that new Leon Paul x-change mask, but I don't really know what to do for gloves. Any suggestions?

Bruce Lee is attributed as saying "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."

if you could only practice 1 longsword strike, what strike would it be? sidesword? rapier?

i'm not asking what's best, i'm asking what 1 strike you'd pick.

>>1307174
I've always find this sentence funny, as if 10,000 times is suppose to be impressive, when we have examples of swordsmanship traditions in the East that had their practitioner do 10,000 strikes... every day.

Anyway, since I'm on a Viggiani-craze right now, I'd say Punta Sopramano with the sidesword, and you don't really need anything else than a good mandritto fendente (and some follow-up thoughts) with the longsword.

>>1306717
I'd recommend to work on your parry riposte game, getting whaked is not the goal of HEMA, in fact, not getting whacked is paramount.
We do use songlestick/t-shirt fighting to train people and discourage them from suicidal attacks.
That said, after two days of fc tournament you can look pretty bad if you accumulated a series of hard hits, thighs and fat-belly hurt most.

>>1306722
The Poles do make custom sabers, however they are usually the heavy variant. Regenyei is top pick and afaik it is available from shelf.

>>1307040
RedDragon Gloves will do for Nylon, you only need hard HEMA gloves for steel.

>>1307174
Schielhau, it is fun to strike to the attack line.

>>1307227
IIRC the Chinese have a bit of a tradition of 10000 being the designated "really bloody huge amount" number.

>>1307335
>over 9000!!!

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>>1307335
Well I understand that in this context, "10000" should probably not seen as an absolute number but more as an order of magnitude, just a synonym for "an awful lot". Surely in older times, large numbers weren't spouted for their exact measure but more for the general idea of something being numerous or plenty (I've read two reports of travellers distant of one generation from each other, marvelling one at the "hundred towers of Bologna", the other at the "thousand towers of Bologna" - probably they were building very fast back then but...).

Nonetheless, everytime I see this I can't help but chuckle slightly at it, not that there is anything wrong with the actual point of the sentence, quite the contrary.

>>1307242
By "from the shelf" what do you mean? Apologies, English is not my first language.

>>1308119
You can buy Regenyei blades either directly from Peter or in many countries they are available in localHEMA shops.

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>live in SEA
>been watching hema videos for a year
>mfw i found out theres a hema club in the area of my nearest local theatre

>>1308255
you live in seattle or the literal sea?

Why is longsword(seemingly German specifically) the most popular weapon in HEMA? I've tried it a little bit and it was great fun but I don't understand why it seems to be almost the most common weapon? Again, not hating on it, just wondering why it is so popular.

>>1308450
Don't quote me on this, but i think it's because it has the most amount of found historical manuals out of all the medieval swords.

>>1308473
Too late
"it's because it has the most amount of found historical manuals out of all the medieval swords." - Anon, 21st May 2016

On a serious note, that sounds right and makes a lot of sense.

> tfw poorfag
> tfw have to borrow gloves
> tfw sweaty second hand re-enactment gambeson
> tfw work ass off but dont make enough to buy good stuff
why live?

>>1308450
lot of good sources on it and the techniques with it looks good, easy to teach them.

one handed weapons either doesn't look as cool when you use them or need way more training for various reasons

do you do any other sports to advance your swordsmanship?
is judo a good way to get into grappling?

>>1308570
If you're using nylon, you can get away with cheap lacrosse gloves.

>>1308877
>is judo a good way into grappling?
Depends on what kind of grappling. Historical? Or do you just want some grappling experience in general?

>>1308307
SEA means South East Asia.

>>1308450
>>1308777
And the weapon was somewhat affordable from the get go.

Budget rapiers and sabers are harder to come by, we had decently priced blunts in Europe from quite a while ago because of reenactment, then feders exploded all over the place.

>>1308570
Are you literally incapable of saving money? It might take longer but you can certainly buy good stuff if you can save something. Even at 10€/month you could afford an AP or Neyman jacket in a year.

>>1308877
best way to get into grappling is -well- grappling.
closest thing to historical wrestling is probably graeco-roman wrestling, but nothing beats some good ol' ringen! google for fabian von auerswald treatise english translation and get started
btw almost any martial art background comes somewhat handy in swordfighting

>>1307335
Yep. 10k and "infinite" have or at least traditionally had the same character in Chinese writing.

>>1309753
usually in debt by the end of the month

>>1310062
>closest thing to historical wrestling is probably graeco-roman wrestling
If by that you mean most accessible French folk wrestling style, then yes.

>>1311555
Well shit then. Sell your ass to sailors or something.

People are talking a lot about racism in the HEMA Facebook groups.

I'm not doubting that it happens, but a lot of the rhetoric is really tumblr-ish.

You guys think something like HEMA+ is going to happen?

>>1316883
>HEMA+
Is a reference to social justice ideology causing a schism in the atheist community a couple of years ago forming a group named Atheism+

>>1316883
>>1316888
Let me guess, this is an American thingey?

>>1316922
Most likely, yes.
Eurofag here, not even a clue

>>1316922
I'm not sure but I don't think so, since it was posted on the HEMA international discussion group and there are a couple of Europeans. They seem to be convinced that they'll teach some nazi-sympathizer Kdf and he'll go cut up a bunch of Jewish and Muslim kids with a longsword if they don't kick anyone they perceive to be racist.

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If there is no racism in HEMA why uncle Matter wears this stupid t-shirt?

How can HEMA be racist? Lignitzer and Ott were jews, some treatises have black people in them, I.33 has a girl for gender equality. Wtf.

>>1316971
because he want to fight nazis with swords

>>1316977
Racist practitioners to be precise.

>>1316971
But is racism such rampant that there needs to be a call to arms against it? If these racist individuals keep these views privately, is there a need to publicly ostracize them?
Maybe it really is rampant. I live in Asia so I wouldn't know personally, but I don't get the notion that there is rampant racism from my interaction with other Asians that do HEMA in the US.
I have a suspicious feeling that some of the racist are just people who are vocal against Islam and typed DEUS VULT in jest a couple of time.

>>1316995
The queen herself will be so proud of him.

"I have been called a fascist by people in HEMA because I am critical of immigration in Sweden, and because I don’t fear discussing subjects that are not in line with the current plague of political correctness."

"At the core, this is not about racism at all, it’s a way to shut people up by shaming them with slurs. And it is dishonourable, unworthy behaviour in a fencing community. It is how your liberalism becomes totalitarian. The path you should choose is to be open to debate anything respectfully. Disagree, but treat your fellow fencer with respect. If you can’t do that, then it is not the person you have labelled as “racist” that is the problem, it is you who cannot live up to the ideals of fencing culture and there are many of us who will judge you based on that."

Anders Linnard on the HEMA council page

This is mostly how I feel about the situation, some SJWs want to virtue signal and ban all the undesirables.

Banning people from HEMA (how, tho? ) won't stop them to practice HEMA. We'll just have both HEMA and HEMA-with-a-different-name.

>>1317036
>Sweden
there is the problem.
If the guy would live in eastern europe he would be called out if he is too accepting about immigration and gypsies.

But seriously it's HEMA, if two guys have a serious problem with each other grab a dueling shield and do what must be done

>>1317050
Some people would argue that dueling shield is for fat neckbeards and true men use only longswords.

>>1317052
You can call those people to a duel to death with shields

>>1317047
Kicking them out from places of discussion, not allowing them to join tournaments.

>>1317050
10/10
You got me before the last line.

>>1308255
Thailand?

>>1317063
>then I'll make my own tournament!
We all know it would happen. Already saw this in many other sports.

>>1317066
My limited contact with Polish people makes me think it's actually rather true.

>>1317078
trust me, it's true for other eastern european countries too.
Although as you go south it's acceptable to just hate your own countrymen

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Why do people talk about politics in sports anyways? One has nothing to do with the other.

I have people from the far left and far right in my club, and they manage to drink a couple beers/ apple juices after training together and be friends. But then, we are Swiss and have our own traditions regarding politics.

>>1317098
From what I see, they do it so the people on the left can virtue signal.
We have a very vocal left wing in HEMA.

>>1317061
I like you.

>>1317104
Left wing is very vocal everywhere

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>>1317107
it's kind of a /tg/ tradition