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This is the invertebrate general. If you have any questions about invertebrates, want to look into owning one or more, or want to simply discuss them, this is the thread to do so, whether its

>Tarantulas and other spiders
>Myriapods
>Mollusks
>Crustaceans
>Insects
>Or anything without a backbone

Feel free to post it.

Resources/help and information

>Tarantulas
https://tomsbigspiders.wordpress.com/beginner-guides/
http://www.theraphosidae.be/en
>Mantids
http://www.mantisonline.eu/index.php?lan=en
>Phasmids
http://www.phasmatodea.com/web/guest/home

Discord
https://discord.gg/mKSdghW
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MYGALOMORPHS I NEED MYGALOMORPHS
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so, for my question, its to late (fall of my building when he tryed to escape, but he have a glorious death so............)
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How good of a mantis is Hierodula sp. Sumatra? My sphodromantis lineola died today so I'm looking for a new one.
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>>2455298
Many Hierodula species look strikingly similar to Sphodromantis, and they are all very robust as well. There's not gonna be much of a difference really.
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I have some of this for sale.

Who wants to test international laws?
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>>2455355
I´d love some

>Who wants to test international laws?
kek
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>>2455355
Na only would do it for some Cerastes cerastes cant find those niggers anywhere nowadays
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>>2455355
US?
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Anyone able to ID this for me, pretty please? Northern UK, about 7mm or ~1/4" in size.
I have about 35/40 of them on my Morning Glories. Each one has folded up a leaf with an egg sac in it, it's pretty neat.
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>>2455455
Enoplognatha ovata
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>>2455455
Thanks anon.
Looks like I'm going to have thousands of these soon
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How do you Ts take handling, /an/

It certainly is dangerous for them if you're not holding them close to the ground. There's a reason the British Tarantula Society conventions will kick you out if they see you holding a T. That said though, I've heard different stories about different individuals. My own tarantula has days when she's perfectly okay with me holding her as long as its not a pinch grab (she absolutely hates it, so I don't attempt it anymore), and other days when she's just not in the mood for my nonsense. I've heard of Ts that get more dfensive with every touch, and others who mellow out more the more they're handled. I had a pothead friend in high school who owned a Rose Hair named "Dank," and she not only tolerated handling, but would chew on anything made of wool he was wearing.
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>>2455225
Buried my mantis today. Shit was sad.
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>>2456033
F
What species?
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>>2456130
Sphrodomantis Lineola
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Other then pure hatred directed towards me what can I expect from my new stromatopelma calceatum? are they typically good eaters?
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Good vert for cold weather?
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>>2456442
Probably nothing regularly available outside of isopods. Room temp is fine for most inverts, if you can live in it, so can they. Boosting humidity can also raise temperature.
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Hey guys, are there any insects that can live side by side with fish, and in a very moist, tropical, environment? I want to make something similar to this picture, and am trying to explore my options for land animals.

Also, it has to be legal in California.
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why the fuck do ants swarm into my sock when I cum into it

shits annoying as fuck
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>>2456552
Chinese Mantis. Too large for the fish to eat. Fish are too large for the mantis to eat.

Don't have small fish though.

Also I've never really heard of a chinese mantis going fishing.
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>>2456566
God I love mantis! How good are they at escaping?

Also, do you know of any kind of large cockroaches or something along those lines that like moist areas? I'm talking wet moss, all day every day.
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>>2456552

There's a lot of opportunity for something to drown in there. I love pet preying mantis, but they fall a lot, and that water would be death.
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>>2456570
Ah, then maybe not a mantis.

Are beetles an option by chance? I love beetles, and I feel like they would be able to swim and crawl out of the water easier. I love hissing cockroaches too, but I don't know if that would be too moist for them. Maybe if I had a heat lamp in one corner?
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>>2456568
>How good are they at escaping?
Pro as shit.

Last time I had a mantis I let it roam around my apartment a lot. For some reason it kept wanting to go to my bedroom.

They don't live very long, btw (a year for females, and only half that time as an adult). You could attempt to have a self sustaining colony but it's not easy as the males grow up and die faster than females.

A lot of serious mantis people raise the males separately in a cooler environment to match up maturity with females more closely.

The answer to your cockroach question is that there certainly are species that do, but I couldn't point you to the right ones. Look for beetles as well. Some of the larger ones are quiet cool.
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>>2456570
>>2456573
You can build around that so it is very unlikely the mantis would just fall onto the water. But yes it is a risk.
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>>2456493
I didn't realize it was common to have isopod as pet. What kind are they? Can they be handle?
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ID if possible? I like the pattern on its abdomen. Los Angeles area.
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>>2456581
>>2456577
So I googled hissing cockroaches humidity levels, and they are pretty high, something like 80 percent. I think I may be able to make that work, and I am talking to the herp guys about fire bellied newts and seeing what they think about that combination, and if the newt might try to eat them.

I'm thinking the cockroaches might be a nice clean up crew for the land part, with me adding in some variation on their diet once in a while.

They are also legal in Cally, which is a plus.

Do you guys have experience with them?
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Why is it that whenever I removed a big fat tick, there is a small one attached to it? Is it sucking the other tick or what?
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>>2456585
Latrodectus geometricus
beautiful spider
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I'm about to buy two Mantises. Can I keep a pair of a male and female in the same terrarium? Can I keep two females in the same terrarium?
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>>2456636
Preying Mantis will eat eachother when they get hungry, safer to keep them separate.
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>>2456636
Which species?
I's like saying "I'm buying a rodent, how do I keep it?"
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>>2455225
I've been looking into tarantulas for years now, about to pull the trigger and get a P. crassipes or other australian species. But one thing has mystified me for a while, how can I get small amounts of feed for them regularly? I really dont want to be buying a ton of crickets or worms each week only for half to die while I have a single tarantula to feed (not that this will last long before I have a room full of them) and all the local pet stores are shut by the time I get off work.
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>>2456687
Yeah, I thought they will eat each other. Anyway I'm buying just one phyllocrania paradoxa, it shouldn't be hard right?>>2456723
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>>2456802
P. paradoxa is actually one of those species you can keep in groups, provided there is enough food. It's usually the species that's recommended for beginners that want to keep a group of mantids because on top of not eating each other they are very easy to keep.

You can easily put these together under three conditions:
- They have to be roughly the same size (+/- 1 molt)
- There has to be enough food for al of them all the time
- There has to be enough room that they don't disturb each other

All of these are pretty easy to do with P. paradoxa, and if you're going for these I say get a group of at least 5! Better 10. They're a lot more fun like that and if you get them pretty small it will not be expensive.

With a group setup however it's especially important that you don't feed crickets. You can't and won't feed every mantis individually, so you have to dump in enough food for all and let them hunt it themselves, which means there will be feeders roaming around when they molt. If those feeders are crickets they'll eat the molting mantis, so do NOT feed crickets (it's not good for their digestion anyway, and P. paradoxa doesn't even like eating crickets, they want flies).
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>>2456770
Just buy them a dozen at a time or something. For an adult you only need to feed it a couple times a month.
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>>2456605
Epiparasites, mang
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>>2456915
Pretty sure that's a male, not a parasite.
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>>2456964
Yeah,, you might be right
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i have young Heterometrus petersi since yesterday, i gave them tiny mealworms but i think that mealworms burried themselves in coconut fiber so scorpios did not eat them
i have freshly hatched jamaican field crickets but they appear to be able to walk on walls so they can escape through holes in boxes made to provide ventilation
what do?
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>>2455390
Chile.

Here's some video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_VhcS9xUBo

>>2456585
That thing it's beautiful and it's basically a black widow so be careful.
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Noms
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>>2456552
Aren't there stick bugs that just hang out all the time? I would think most of those very sedentary jungle types would be OK, but maybe they all fall a lot.
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>>2457220
S P O O K Y
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>>2457209
How large is it?
>>2456999
I usually watch the prey I put in there and encourage the scorpion to eat it, and if he doesn't, remove it.
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looking to identify this guy, found in my kitchen - near small woodland, not too smal has foxes and owls, only looking to identify cause it falls onto it's back and struggles to correct itself a lot, has white rings on legs then a thinner sort of needle part on each leg
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>>2457744
second pic
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>>2457744
>>2457747
Location pls
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>>2457750
UK, also it's now playing dead it also curled up like it died when I first went near it so am quite paranoid
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>>2457744
>>2457747
I can't see shit in those photos but knowing /an/ it's probably something extremely common like an Araneus diadematus.
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>>2457754
yeah but it's got a plain back
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>>2457744
>Trap small harmless animal in a clear, transparent container it physically cannot break out of
>Still too much of a pussy to get close enough for a decent picture

How do you get out of bed in the morning
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>>2457767
If I got closer the camera focused on the glass and not the spider, I have a shitty slr bridge camera
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>>2457767
Oh knock it off, this isn;t /v/
>>2457768
It's alright. Just make sure you get more detailed pics next time. Many spider species can be very similar one to another, and the smallest details can make the biggest difference. Whatever the case, I can almost assure you that it's harmless. There aren't many dangerous spiders species in the UK that I'm aware of.
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My H. Gigas just molted
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>>2455225
>Spreading my first butterfly
>5 days in the tupperware container with the wet paper towels and listerine
>STILL can't open its wings all the way
>It's not even a big one
What am I doing wrong?!
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I caught a big moth just a minute ago.
It camped on the ceiling in my kitchen, not a best place for a moth to be.
Its about the length of a finger from the tip to the second knuckle, gray like a moth front wings, but back wings are red and black.
Any idea what this critter may be?
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>>2458200
Another perspective, equally bad quality.
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>>2458200
Red Underwing Moth
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>>2458201
And one more time.
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>>2458202
Yep, thats it, thanks.
>As the red underwing moth takes off, the sudden flash of colour may confuse the attacker, and when it lands and immediately closes its wings it may seem to disappear as the colour is "switched off".
Pretty cool thing, to be honest.
>comes freely to both light and sugar.
>The adult feeds on nectar
So if I would give it a drop of honey, would it eat it?
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>>2458205
Not honey, they can't suck that up, it's much too thick for them. Honey isn't nectar.

Sugar water would be best.
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Oh God, help me /invert/:

>have class
>making insect collection worth 40%
>caught five or six bugs just now
>bumblebee buzzing hard against falcon tube
>let them all go

Help, I wanna do well on this course, but I keep getting sand in my vagina.
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>>2458311
Pic related. Couldn't do it.

>reading John Fowles' "The Collector"
>think of all the living beauty you've destroyed
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>>2458311
What are the requirements?
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>>2458311
>>2458312
I know how you feel.
Get ethyl acetate, it's very quick.
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Trying to mate the balfouris again and I think it's a success. The female molted after the last mating but luckily the male is still fit so he gets to go again, the lucky bastard.
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>>2458313
Make a diverse (as opposed to numerically large) bug collection. The syllabus says no exceptions for ethical or religious reasons.

I just wanna learn about bugs, but sweet Jesus this is upsetting. I'm going camping soon, so do I just stuff a bunch of newspaper, toilet paper and cotton balls at the bottom of a glass jar and dampen with nail polish remover?

>reviving after being pinned
Fuck me.

Thankfully, I'm finding lots of dead insects in sinks, my mom's Japanese beetle hormone bag things, etc.
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>>2456583
please respond
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>>2456770
I've been raising two slings for about a year now. One is a c. Cyan and the other is a b. Smithi.

I just fed them whatever size crickets they could eat, the c. Cyan is on adult crickets now but the b. Smithi is still on smaller ones, they grow at different rates. I just feed them a few crickets once a week and they do well, just make sure they don't get dehydrated, know how to take care of their water needs and watch out for their moulting phase to start, don't feed them if they look like they are about to moult, give them a few days.

As for where to get the food, i just go to petsense once a week and get just a few crickets at the time. Then i just drop the food right into the enclosure, pretty easy desu and cost is like 50 cent, t's are some of the easiest pets to take care of if your not retarded.
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Anyone else raise caterpillars?
I just recently got back into the hobby, I am raising a brood of Polyphemus moths right now.
I have been seeing a low survival rate, and I can't pin down the cause. The person who shipped the eggs to me is reporting the same loss rate, and she has a completely different setup/leaf-feed. This makes me think it may be an initial problem with the eggs or genetics
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>>2457209
>>2455355
Pretty centipede, how long do they get? Also there's a US species of Hemiscolopendra, and I remember reading the people that kept them said they can be pet holes; is this species more visible?
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My mantis is freaking out, she keep climbing to the top then falling down. She's done it like thirty times now in the last half hour. What do I do?
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https://youtu.be/tHlWTMxphcg
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Just found this thing in the kitchen sink. Is it a cockroach? Sorry for shit quality.
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>>2458878
Stop taking fucking ventral shots of things you want identified, but yes.
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I'm looking for a YouTube clip of jumping spiders.

Specifically, it had a Deichkind song and Roundabout by Yes, and I'm pretty sure it was made by an anon here.

Here's a metal spider for your troubles.
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>>2456583
Good for cleaning other invert enclosures. Pretty boring otherwise
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>>2458311
Heh. Ive been there. I check friends garages. Lots of bugs die in garages. I think half my collection was scavenged not killed.
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>>2458670
>how long do they get?

We don't know yet, my friend it's taking care of it, we just found them recently, but this one it's above the 15cm mark and we seem him enough, they are active hunters for sure.
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>>2459427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJ0NdVqFmY
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>>2459748
Thanks! It really is a fun one to watch.
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>>2457609
my scorpios are always under bark... how to encourahe them to eat it?
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>>2459877
Move the bark?
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>>2459944
But then they are scarried and do not want to eat
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>>2459983
If they are hungry enough, they will eat. Are you sure they just aren't hungry? Scorpions can go for a long time without food.
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Can the anon that posted >>2446952 give some more info on this spider? Is it yours?
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avic sling molted today
still tiny
still blue
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>>2460107
It's a female Heteropoda boiei, what do you want to know?

>>2460136
What a coincidence, mine did too. It is slightly less tiny and shows the lightest hint of red on the butt now though.
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>>2460146
Also yes, of course it's mine. I haven't had her for very long though.
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I have a green junebug(Cotinis nitida) in my collection, now what are these two? (Central midwest)
I hate scarab IDing
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>>2459984
even baby scorpions?
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I've found that when I smoke weed near my G. oblongonotas they come out oh their hide and start climbing all over their enclosure and continue to be active for some time after the puff. And it's not like I'm filling it with smoke or anything. Literally just one or two puffs at the adjacent desk gets them going. Has anyone else seen anything like this? From what I understand, THC is pesticide but I didn't think such a small indirect exposure would irritate them in a negative way. Any ideas as to why they'd do this?
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>>2456564
I also like to know the reason why
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>>2460146
Not many people keep an araneomorph spider, is it because tarantulas live so much longer or another reason? Don't huntsmen tend to roam around a whole lot? What's the difference between keeping a tarantula and one?

>>2460486
because that anon lives in filth.
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>>2460508
>s it because tarantulas live so much longer
That's pretty much it, yeah.

I'm not sure what the longest lived araneomorph is, but I do know that some female T's will last in upwards of 30 years
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>>2460444
I have baby scorpions right now being kept with their mother. They eat roaches that she kills for them. If you have one baby and no parents, you may have to prekill the food or try to find even smaller food items.
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>>2460571
they have Collembola and other tiny life forms in their boxes in coconut fiber
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>>2460576
Those might be too small. Perhaps prekill those mealworms you put in there? That or even smaller crickets. How big is the scorpling?
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>>2460584
they are L3 i suppose
i will cut mealworms in half and give them
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>>2460508
>is it because tarantulas live so much longer
Yes, probably. This spider might get 5 years old if she's lucky, 2 or 3 is more likely.

>Don't huntsmen tend to roam around a whole lot?
When they're hungry, and only at night. Otherwise they sit in the same spot just like any tarantula.

>What's the difference between keeping a tarantula and one?
For these Heteropodas the care is pretty much identical to something like a Poecilotheria or Lampropelma, except they prefer to hide behind a flat piece of bark and you see them a whole lot more (they often don't really hide, just press flat against one side of the enclosure all day). They generally eat more and grow faster. They are also much faster than any tarantula so handling is completely out of the question and you have to be a lot more careful when opening the enclosure.
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Male or female?

I know ventral sexing is not thar reliable..
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>>2461334
Seems awfully bald in front of the lungs, I'd say male, but that's a 70:30 at best.
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Rate my ghetto attempt at mounting my P. guineensis female.
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>>2461462
Good overall, but what's with the foam? Not an expert on this thing, so forgive me if its a necessity.
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>>2461515
The styrofoam is to hold up the wings and keep them in place, they'd fold in otherwise and you obviously don't want to put needles through them.
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>>2461462
What did you do to preserve the color? Mantids seem to turn black very quickly after death.
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>>2461462
nice mount. The first mantis I tried to pin didn't dry out properly, even though I had it on top of a dehumidifier as often as I could keep it on. I used a spreading board for mine, perhaps that shielded it from the dry air.
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>>2461523
She was frozen until now and I applied a liberal amount of ethyl acetate to dry her out. Now that I have dried her for a few hours she's turning quite dark though.

I don't think there is much you can do to prevent that.
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What kinda spider is this?
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>>2461561
Genus Argiope. Species depends on where you live.
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>>2461562
Alabama
Thanks anon
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>>2455225
HAAAALP...T won't molt

I knew my A. Chalcodes was due for a molt as it hasn't been eating for over a month and it's abdomen was black but when I went to check on it, it had completely turned black. It is still on it's legs and there are plenty of places to turn itself over. I don't know what else I can do for the poor thing....

He is completely black all over! is that normal for a desert blonde?
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>>2461696
Pics pls
A picture's worth a thousand words and it could show us something you might not catch or know about.
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So the other day I found a wasp/yellowjacket/whatever flying around in my bedroom. Then today I see this tiny little motherfucker on my dining table.

Is this a baby wasp? Do I have a nest in my attic or some shit?
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>>2461728
fyi if you ever see an insect with wings theres a 100% chance it is an adult. that looks like some kinda male ant but it might be some sort of tiny wasp, like a chalcid, which are harmless
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>>2461743
Good to know. Thanks guy!
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found this after brooming

one yellow line
I wonder what it means...should i place all my bets on brazil?
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>>2461995
>Brazil
Gib moni or i wil report u
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>>2461706
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>>2461995
Castianeira cingulata or something related.
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Uhhh
Sir?
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Well, one of my I. diabolica is about to molt. The problem is one of her back legs has a broken tarsus, and she can't hold on very well with it.

She is very close to molting and I have positioned her as good as I can, but I'm wondering if I can glue her feet in place? Would it somehow interfere with the molting?

I need an answer quickyl though, in less than 20 minutes probably.
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>>2462017
That's a lady.
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>>2462066
Youre risking further damage doing that. Better off knocking on wood
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>>2462076
Yeah, I'm just letting him be now. It's one of my 2 males. The other male and the other 2 females have absolutely no damage, so I have no idea what happened to him.
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>>2461454
crap. That's what I thought too
I always have bad luch with slings, it's the opposite of what I want every time..

what do you guys think about this one?
freshly molted. But the molt is chewed up again, so no way I can determine the gender by looking for a spermatheca
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>>2462066
As long as it's only one tarsus it doesn't seem to impact them much. I've had an Idolo lose one in L4 and it is regenerated now.
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>>2462098
wow, just noticed that is an absolutely shitty pic

well, no way changing it now
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eurycantha calcaratas are cute
especially mine
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Guys, why are spiders swarming my room? It's not an investation of one spider since I've not seen more than one of the same species, they all look very different. And it doesn't happen in any other room.

My house did have a problem with silverfish, and because of all my books and papers a lot of them were in my room (now they are gone, thanks to Mr. Big Black Spider I think) but again, the spiders are only in my room and I don't think some of the smaller ones would be able to feed on silverfish.

Also, any good resource on spiders? I've been trying to figure out what species one of the spiders that keeps reappearing but I can't find it on google.
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>>2462235
Take pictures and post them here or else you'll probably spend hours on bugguide or spiders.us unable to reach a conclusion because you don't know the families well enough. That or you'll just look at the very first one you come across and go "yep, that's the one", which is like people who look up symptoms online and instantly assume it's cancer.

As for your first question nobody can really tell you much for sure aside from the fact that there's bound to be food somewhere in there. Check closets and behind furniture. Maybe your bedroom's window is right next to a garden or something.
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>have two mantises
>Carolina mantis female (smoll) and Carolina mantis male (bigg)
>male mantis begins rejecting food (even craneflys) way before premolt like a bitch
>female mantis eating like a fucking champ whenever
please let her make it through this molt, she's had difficulty in the past
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Good news! The Idolomantis made it and the tarsus seems to be regenerated.
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>>2462008
My point being with this picture is the entire body including the legs was sand colored. It did start to crawl out then move back in the cave so it's not dead. Just hope the poor guy isn't stuck in molt. Can you imagine being trapped in a dead body? Btw I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, and inside that woman is me, a man trapped inside. Real Russian doll scenario.
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requesting ID on this here mantis
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>>2462729
It's not a mantis, it's a katydid (Tettigoniidae). I don't know the precise species though.
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>>2462731
thanks dude, big scary six leg = mantis in my mind
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>>2462729
>>2462731
alright, found what i was looking for thanks to you, looks closest to a great green bush cricket though in the webm it does look a lot bigger
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>>2462734
By great green bush cricket you probably mean Tettigonia viridissima. The one in the webm is definitely some tropical one and not T. viridissima, and yeah they can get quite large and some look pretty stupid.

T. viridissima is already pretty scary though, at least to other insects. They should be around this time of year actually. If you ever catch one be careful that it doesn't bite you, it hurts and it can draw blood.
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>>2462735
did some more googling and it appears to be a great arid land katydid
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Have there ever been any imports of Mantophasmatodea? They are a pretty new order, but they look like the type of insects that could do well in captivity.
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>>2462739
>great arid land katydid
pls stop with these silly common names
they mean literally nothing. You could name that thing "big green asshole" and it would be just as (in-)correct.

I guess you mean Neobarrettia spinosa?
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> they look like the type of insects that could do well in captivity.
how do you know?
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>>2462779
fine you pedantic fuck, neobarrettia spinosa.
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>>2462789
It really isn't pedantic. It might seem like that to you because you don't have to deal with adressing or identifying animals often, but common names for anything but really well known animals or plants are quite useless at best and really confusing at worst. No one uses latin names because they're fun, they're used because it's the only really practical way to make sure everyone knows what you're talking about.
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>>2462789
>Walk into car dealer's
>Ayo can I have that big ol' fat grey boy over there, always wanted a fat grey boy as a child, yessir I've been dreaming about a fat grey boy all my life
>You mean the Volkswagen Golf?
>Don't be so fucking pedantic
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>>2462802
fair enough
>>2462811
fuck you mean i drive a fat grey box
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>>2456564
that might be a bad sign. you might be diabetic. look into that
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>>2462914
Cum naturally has sugar in it. Water sugar mucous and sperm cells. Maybe some other shit but there is sugar
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>>2461561
Garden Spider. Non aggressive. I have a bunch in my back yard. They barely even move when you mess with them.
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I think we can add a few new rules to the OP to make sure Identification goes smoother

For the inquirer
>Provide clear shot of animal to be identified, dorsal, if possible.
>If camera quality is an issue, give the best description you can to fill out the blanks. Describe markings, colors, etc.
>Always give location

For the identifier.
>Clarify if animal is dangerous or not, and if so, describe proper means of relocation or termination if necessary.
>Give both scientific and common name

Thoughts?
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I found a queen carpenter ant and some workers underneath a flower pot today, is it too late to safely collect them?
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Anyone know what kind of spider this is? Sorry for the shitty quality.
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>>2463594
>>2463708
>write advice on how to ask for IDs
>two posts down someone posts a blurred photo without details
The irony. I doubt these people will bother reading the OP even if you put it in.
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>>2463709
Hey give him a break, he probably just hit the thread and sent in a reply without reading, which may be understandable for the average Joe who isn't a hobbyist and just wants an ID. I don;t doubt he forgot to read the OP. After all, it says If you have questions, you should ask them here.

>>2463708
As for you, he is kinda right. We'll need a better pic and a location if you want to know what species you're looking at.
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Got my first T. :) B. Albopilosum female, It's about an inch and 3/4s leg span. Letting it get used to its new home and might post a feeding update in a day or two.
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>>2463895
This is it's enclosure
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It also made a burrow overnight, wonderful to wake up to
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>>2458651
You're telling me that out of all these spider, beetle, and ant-lovers, no-one is actively raising caterpillars?
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>>2463918
I dunno man. It sounds cool, but I've honestly never heard of it as a hobby. Not that I'm surprised to see it of course. Invertebrate hobbies tend to be a niche thing to begin with
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>>2463918
I did it for a few years, had about 20 species of Saturniidae and a few Sphingidae
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Good non-normie invert to start out with?
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>>2464134
>non-normie invert
What did he mean by this?
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o hai
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Does my A. avic look a bit skinny? He/she is such a picky eater...
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>>2463594
I'm not a huge fan of this.

Most people who ask for an id are newcomers who don't hang out here, and they won't know our procedures. It will just lead to some people freaking out that their special formula wasn't followed.

More rules will just mean more angry people
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>>2464134
Ixodes scapularis
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Any ideas what this one is? Looks kinda like a cross between a mosquito and a moth, and won't leave my office no matter how many times I shoo it back outside.
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>>2464240
Plume moth.
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>>2464240
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterophoridae
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>>2464134
Earwigs are neat.
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>>2464134
Do you think there is a stigma attached to common inverts in this hobby and you want to distance yourself from keeping them?

There is not. Even common species are appreciated, this is such a small hobby. The reason they are common is usually because they are easy. If you're a beginner starting out with something more advanced (which you will most likely have difficulty with) just because you think it makes you look cool to other keppers is foolish. And those more advanced keepers will probably not be impressed by that choice either, usually quite the opposite.
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>>2464200
Not if they're in the op, I hope. I assume most people coming here to ask only do so because th OP directs them to. If they can follow those directions, the new rules would be right below them.

And besides, it's not like we're on /v/ or /pol/ or the other "inner city" boards. We're not obligated to be grouchy shiptoasters
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>>2455618
My T refuses to tolerate anything more than a light push to the legs to get him to move out of the way when I do stuff in his enclosure. I'm perfectly ok with that though, it's bad enough that he won't live for maybe a year or two longer, so I'd really rather avoid killing him earlier with stress.
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>>2464296
>"inner city" boards
That's an interesting term. Do you mean that the users are from inner cities or that the cultural comparison between inner cities and elsewhere is comparable to the comparison between large boards and small boards?
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>>2464003
Niiice!
Saturniids are my favorite so far, the large caterpillars are extremely satisfying to watch.
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>>2464585
Pretty much. /an/ is part of the suburbs. The violent shitposting, while not totally absent, is not felt here as strongly as it is in the ghettos of /a/ or /tv/. People aren't at each other's throats as much. The corruption of city officials (*cough*swaglord and company/most mods hired after 2011*cough*), though heard of here, does not reach out to us as their attention is more focused on filling their own coffers with advertising money and other forms of bribery. People here aren't as crowded as the ones in the inner city, crammed into 500 or 750-man apartments. The hustle and bustle of each thread running down the street isn't as apparent in the cul de sacs and blocks of the outer neighborhood.

They say not to let a bad apple ruin a barrel. Problem is, when that barrel gets bigger, more bad apples are bound to be there, and it gets harder to sift them out from the great number of apples clouding your vision. It gets easier for worms, bacteria and other unwanted, fungoid growth to accumulate.

The smaller the barrel, the less trouble.
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First adult M. violaceus!

A male I assume, wings are clear and not coloring up.
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;_;
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>>2465285
What happened?
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>>2464947
The cutest not-roach
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>>2465298
Idk.

Just molted a week ago. Added a cricket, there was feasting. It's abdomen looked small still. Added another cricket. Previous pic related.
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>>2465346
Man that's sad. Little T SIDS.
F
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Once a chinese mantis female has mated will she ever want to mate again, or can she keep making ooths till she dies?
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>>2465888
A successful copulation will supply her with sperm for the rest of her life, though the number of nymphs hatching will probably decrease with each consecutive ooth. If you still have a male available you should be able to mate again after she laid one.
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>>2466574
She's laid one ooth, but the male spilled his spaghetti on the approach and she boxed him off
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>>2466675
Wait until evening/night and see if she starts bending her abdomen to spray pheromones. That's a clear sign that she's ready to mate again.
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>>2456552
Asian forest scorpions can live fine in a semi-aquatic environment and have been known to even go underwater voluntarily, worth looking into. impressive size too
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Can anyone help me ID this little jumping spider? I live in northern Italy.
Sorry for shit quality, i'll post more if needed or interested.
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>>2466762
Online resources for European species are very scarce especially when it comes to such a massive family so I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. It kinda looks like some darker variations of Salticus mutabilis but who knows.

inb4 someone replies with an American species that looks nothing alike.
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>>2466775
Doesn't matter, thanks anyway. I was starting to think i wasn't going to get an answer.
Can you believe that it was he/she that found me and not the opposite? I was just chilling on the couch, i feel something on my arm and voila.
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>>2466780
They're awfully curious little spooders, that's for sure.
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>>2466790
If i didn't know better, i would have thought that he came to me asking for help. He's missing 3 legs on one side
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>>2466762
Carrhotus xanthogramma maybe
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The orbweavers are taking over
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>>2466712
Well she just layed her second ooth, so she probably was (and is) pretty tender
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I want to get one of those really big spiders. Which one will let me pet it and cuddle like a cat or dog? I heard Chilean kind would do that but I saw a video of one being mean to a lady.
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>>2456585
I have that exact spider in a jar where I'm at. (Tuscon AZ area)
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>>2467269
>Which one will let me pet it and cuddle like a cat or dog?
a plushie one
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When do you guys think this buggo will molt? It looks like it's gonna explode.

G. Pulchripes
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>>2467599
THICC BABBY
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>>2467269
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Can anyone identify this spider for me? Location is eastern Virginia
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>>2456552
I've seen people set up water features in their H. gigas enclosures.
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>>2467644
Sorry for the shit quality, he's pretty small but he's black and white.
I can't see anything else on him aside from the picture since he's in my window hanging out with the house spiders.
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What kind of spider is this? Missouri, US if it helps.
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>>2467741
Agelenopsis sp.
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>>2467745
Thank you.
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>>2467644
Araneus sp. Female
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>>2467269
P.Murinus or H.minax. Once you get hold of it it won't want to let you go :^)

But no seriously anon, Ts aren't for cuddles and pets. It stresses them the fuck out. The most tolerant species when it comes to handling would be G.pulchra or A.hentzi, but even they shouldn't be handled beyond what's necessary.
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>>2467789
Thanks
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Alright posting again, my a chalcodes was turning black on the abdomen and I figured it was ready to molt but now it has turned completely black on the legs and won't bother to eat. Is he dying or just waiting really long to molt? Dehydrated maybe? He is looking thin. Idk what the hell to do, he still walks around the enclosure but I know he's not well.
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>>2468000
Could this happen if it was too cold? He has been like this for two weeks now. Worried that if I try to feed or water his mouth he will get stressed and die.
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>>2468000
>>2468001
Do you know it's a male?
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>>2468013
Pretty sure, explains the color change but unless there is a hidden molt in the cave idk why or how he would change so quickly.
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>>2468016
Does he now have tibial hooks? has he been fasting? if yes to either or both, I'd say he's molted behind your back. I don't know if there's any other way or reason a male chalcodes would turn dark.
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>>2468018
Yes to both. I will get him some food then. Sneaky bastard went in the cave for a day or so and next I saw him he was all black. I figured molting would take longer than that and it Almost looked like his body slowly turned dark over a few days. Will investigate the cave and report back.
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>>2468018
Well son of a bitch there is a molt in the cave way in the back. Can't believe how quick he molted. He was in there like one day at most.
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ID if possible please?
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>>2468029
Nice. How bad has he nibbled on it
>>2468107
Location?
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>>2468107
That's an awful angle but looks like Neoscona sp.
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>>2468112
GA
>>2468116
Here you go
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>>2468112
Idk I need to find something to pull it out, can he get sick from that? He can get a little pissy if I poke around too much. Wish I had some 8" hemostats or forceps to pull it out.
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>>2468124
No, he won't get sick from it. If you'd stress him out by fingering around in there, I'd just leave it alone
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Big boi
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>>2463594
whoa what kind of tarantula is that
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>>2461563
argiope aurantia
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>>2464153
OK I've never seen one of those before, what is it, some kind of vinegaroon?
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>>2468239
yes
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>>2467934
I was mostly fucking around but I definitely want the ability to hold it, if only for practical reasons. Are those two really the ultimate best species for handling or just examples?
When I was a little kid, a nice old lady allowed me to handle her tarantula a few times and it was chill as fuck. I wish I knew what species it was. It wasn't very big and its fur was a nice dark brown color. I don't think it was a Chilean either.
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>>2468227
Brachypelma klaasi
Mexican pink zebra beauty
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>>2468261
Might have been this

Brachypelma albopilosuim
Honduran Curly Hair Tarantula

One of the chillest around, and arguably the chillest period.
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>>2468261
G.pulchra is widely regarded as one of the best starters for having decent size and a gorgeous velvety black color in addition to being really chill. A.hentzi is a bit more subtle in its beauty unless you happen to like browns and tans or happen to get lucky and get hold of one with more of an chocolate color to it. Of the two I mentioned G.pulchra is the more chill of the two but is also the harder to find and more pricey. If you're 'murican like myself then A.hentzi are much easier to come by do to their being a native and widely distributed species.
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now I know why she didn't want to mate

she just molted
the male seems to be in premolt too
I'll try to pair them up again after the've fattdned up again
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>>2468843
>premolt
That might be the deal. Who wants teeny weeny premolt when you can have a big post molt pedipalp? You mad lil white boi?

But seriously, try again after both have hardened carapaces and eaten. Premolt and just post molt amblys can be tempermental because they are vulnerable
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>>2468847
>>2468843
I misread your post and thought you said dont know. My bad.
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>>2468847
>Who wants teeny weeny premolt when you can have a big post molt pedipalp?
fuckin kek

>try again after both have hardened carapaces and eaten.
that´s the plan

sadly, the femur of one of her whips is a bit bent, but it shouldn´t be a problem, it just looks shitty.
Oh well, at least she´s regrown it, it was missing before

Also, my male Hypoctonus reappeared after more than a month underground, the female is still in her blocked burrow.. fingers crossed she´s carrying an eggsac
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>>2468555
Whats a good cage for the g.pulchra. I heard they can chew right through those petco mesh tops.

The ones on jamiestarantulas seem ideal but expensive.
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Hi, i need some help identifying this spider, it was inside a box from China, it's still moving, thanks in advance.
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>>2468920
He's dead, Jim.

Can't tell you the exact species, but what's his legspan stretched out? is he generally "big?" My bets are on him being a Heteropoda species of some sort.
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>>2468920
dead heteropoda boiei
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>>2456552
Try a tropical ant species.
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>>2468938
>literally a dead boi
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I don't think my mantis is going to make it through this molt. She's due one, and her wingpads are all puffed up but she keeps falling and has trouble getting back to the ceiling of her enclosure. She's grooming a lot now, thankfully she's well fed.
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>>2468885
The terrestrial models on Jamie's T's are good, but you're right about them being over priced. If possible try and hit up a reptile expo to see if you can get your T and cage in one go.
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>>2468261
>if only for practical reasons
There are no practical reasons for holding a tarantula. Removing it for maintenance is done easier and quicker with a brush and a cup, same for rehousing it. Ventral sexing by grabbing is is more stressful and less effective than sexing by molts. And there are no other reasons to disturb a tarantula.

Wanting to hold it is purely for your own amusement, don't try to find other reasons for it.

Only a few tarantula species generall tolerate it, but you already got some good suggestions.

The problem is you either won't find a G. pulchra or it will be very expensive. The only way to get one "cheap" is by buying a sling, but I'd definitely not do that if I were you. Not only are slings harder to keep than adults, they also will be much more reclusive, don't tolerate handling and in the case of Grammostolas will grow very slow. It might be 5+ years before you get a decently sized spider.

Read this for some other recommended spiders for beginners: https://tomsbigspiders.com/2014/11/09/the-best-tarantula-species-for-beginners/

>>2468885
Yeah, the acrylic enclosures are quite overpriced, but they sure are nice. For your only tarantula it might be a good investment, because I'm sure you want to see it at lot. Otherwise I'd say just get some clear plastic boxes and make some air holes in them. Almost any box will do, it's how most people here (and pretty much in this entire hobby) keep their inverts. The nice glass and acrylic enclosure are for the highlights of the collection generally. Also please don't call it "cage", it sounds really wrong somehow.
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>>2456552
If you're ok with inverts that aren't insects take a look at the different Geosesarma species. Harmless to fish, pretty, easy to keep, active, hang out on land 95% of the time.

Can be hard to find though, and you will need to include several easy ways for them to leave the water (they can actually drown).
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Just saw this small insect in my bed. Is it an bed bug or sucking blood of my body?
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Anyone here ever kept banded sugar ants?
I'm considering keeping them for my first ants and I'm wondering what they're like?
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>>2467644
Hey /an/ it me again.
I found this big ass beatle on my back porch, I just wanted to know if anyone could identify him for me. Location is the same.
He was very shiny and now he's not out here anymore.
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>>2469918
looks like a "bess beetle," or a horned passalus.

They're a really neat beetle, semi social (parents defend their young, but don't feed or groom them) that live in decaying wood. I peeled some bark off a downed northern red oak a day ago and found an orange (freshly molted into adult) one next to a dark adult. The orange one was still soft, and I returned it to its tunnel.

You must live in a pretty rural area, I don't think they can fly. If you had picked it up or disturbed it it would have made an exceedingly cute squeaking noise with it's wings.
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>>2469944
*its* wings. Also I find them in central missouri rather frequently whenever I hunt for insects in late succession forests, I've never seen one outside of a decayed log however.
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>>2469944
>>2469946
That's pretty neat, I know more about reptiles than incest/arachnids and that's why I asked.
As for location, I live in Hampton roads so it's not really rural. Though we do have a couple decaying trees in our backyard my dad has been meaning to cut down for a couple years now they probably live in one or both of them.

Now I really I had picked it up, I would've loved to hear the squeaks it made.

Thanks by the way! I've read some more about them they seem really cool.
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>>2469956
**really wish**
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I found a neat cicada today and thought this thread would like it. I don't think I've seen one with the gold coloration this one has before.
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which tarantula has the most impressive nest/webs that can kept?
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>>2469967
A lot fo African species do this, especially M balfouri and P murinus
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>>2469987
Yeah those are what I was looking for.
Are they more dangerous than most tarantula's?
I'd imagine they could surprise inexperienced owners easily.
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>>2470012
Oh they certainly can. Ow venom is also just a bit more potent than NW species. We're talking nausea, headaches, cramps, the whole 9 yards for eight hours or more, so yeah. Make sure you're experienced and know what you're dealing with. Vid related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hceNe_eswQg
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>>2470012
If you're inexperienced then I'd suggest a c.cyanopubescens instead. They're piss easy to care for, not nearly as ill tempered as old world species, get some absolutely gorgeous coloration and web the unholy fuck out of everything if you give them at least one sort of anchor. They are a bit on the skittish side though, so it pays to be mindful when you're fiddling in the enclosure.
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>>2470012
>more dangerous
Not really, in my opinion. You have to be careful and respectful towards them, but you should be like that anyway, and they usually give plenty of warning if they don't want to be disturbed. If you get bit it is always your mistake, and I don't think it's that much more likely to get bit by an OW than a NW.

If you're completely new to tarantulas then it's more their surprising speed and your inexperience preventing you from predicting them that could be a problem (spider escaping, you flinching and dropping something on the spider and so on).

If you're confident you can handle one and you know you can stay calm I don't see a problem with the 2 species suggested. M. balfouri is really chill as far as baboons are concerned, and P. murinus is so hyper pissy that it will always give a lot of warning, so you're never gonna get careless around one. Another great webber are the different Chilobrachys species, like for example C. fimbriatus. With them it's 50:50 though, some dig a lot, some web above the surface.

And lastly, if you want to consider mygalomorph spiders other than tarantulas take a look at the different Linothele species. I have gotten some a few months ago and they have quickly become one of my favorite spiders. INSANE webbing, eat like pigs, beautiful and extremely easy to keep. Only "problem" with them is their skittishness and speed. Venom is not an issue with them imo, as these would never, ever bite unless you actually squeeze them or something.
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found a few spiders outside my pourch. their abdomen is about 2.5mm

best environment for them? was thinkin pic related

do they need a water bowl? or can i use a hamster bottle so they can get beads of water?

any recommended species instead of going outside? or-
general tips or advice you would give to a first timer?
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>>2470084
Check our OP and read all the beginner guides on Toms blog.
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>>2470095
But gibs me the tldr / a useful opinion
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>>2470099
Alright. Best environment for spiders from outside is outside. I'd put them back. Chances are they are aranaeomorph spiders, which means they have a lifespan of less than a year. Not worth keeping imo.

Critter keepers are good for spiders that want an arid environment. Too much ventilation to keep up humifity.

Yes, most spiders want a waterbowl. No, they can not use a hamster bottle.

Best spiders for beginners are tarantulas, by far. There is a list of recommended species in the guide in the OP I told you to read.

And I cant really give you a tl;dr because you lack the basic knowledge to use it. I really dont mean this in an insulting way. You need to start at the very beginning and inform yourself a bit before condensed information becomed useful.

If you think those guides are too long I dont think this hobby is for you anyway. It requires a lot of patience and learning about the animals and their biology is half the fun, mostly because they really dont do much, if we're being honest. They're not really "pets" in the usual sense. They sit still or hide 95% of the time and you cant interact with them in any meaningful way. They dont learn tricks and you cant cuddle them.
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Anything without a backbone? How about my husband? Ayo! Get it? Cuz there's no backbone? Did anyone do that joke yet? My husband doesn't have a backbone
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>>2470111
Very funny joke, haha. So your husband is a beta? Great, where do we meet up so that I can deposit my spermatophore in your epigyne?
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>>2470110
coulds you gibs me the tldr of that fucking shit lamo
also how about you try giving a useful opinion ?
I really dont mean this in an insulting way
just based on your autism it sounds like youre really into creep shit
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>>2470115
You're not going to get any more replies from me, and probably not from anyone else either. You're clearly from one of the cancer boards and you're still stuck with their retarded behavior and mannerisms.
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>House centipede lives in my room and seems to never go to any other rooms
>has plenty to eat because ants always come in during the summer
>my desk chair sits right along the wall so I'm in the way of his natural path to the other side of the room
>normally walked on the wall to try and hide from me but started using the floor
>slowly gets farther away from the wall
>he climbed on my foot one night but freaked out and ran away as soon as I moved
>a few nights later he crawls on my foot again
>use my other foot to start gently pushing him off and he runs away again
>does this a few more nights
>he now regularly comes to my foot to be gently pet with my toes
I never knew bugs could have this kinds of thought process
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Thoughts on ant keeping as a hobby?
It's pretty cool how they can start with just a single queen and grow exponentially from there.
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>>2470157
It's awesome and ants are the most fascinating inverts, but it takes more room, money and dedication than most other inverts.

I still havent gotten any because if I do it I want to do it right and I dont have the room for that at the moment.
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>>2470082
>some dig a lot, some web above the surface.
my C. fimbriatus digs a lot, but still webs up its whole enclosure
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>>2470112
>so that I can deposit my spermatophore in your epigyne
fucking kek

But, please don't ever say that to a girl, I guarantee you that it will turn them off quickly
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>>2470185
I would never even get that far. It's already over when I get to the "and this is my spider collection" part. The reactions are worth it though.
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Are there any aquatic insects kept in captivity?
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>>2470157
Ants are top tier pets. You literally get to nurture a small society into being. Plus, they're extremely active by invert standards, so you can actually enjoy watching them live their tiny lives.
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ID if possible?>>2468120
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>>2470336
I already told you what it is. Neoscona sp., probably crucifera.
>>2468116
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>>2470275
Some Belostomatidae are sometimes kept, though I don't know anything about their care.
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Anyone able to confirm my ID?
I believe it's a Mexican Pink I found in Chamela, Jalisco Mexico
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>tfw have had arachnophobia since I was a kid but can't keep my mind of keeping tarantula's
Anyone else like this before they started? Is it a bad idea?
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Im usually doing the ids but i caught this cute tiny couple and dont know. I didnt see halteres so prob hymenoptera not diptera but they are so tiny im not sure. Chalcidae maybe? Kentucky btw
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>>2470623
Another pic, showing silhouette
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>>2470415
Positive Id. Looks like a klaasi alright
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>>2470622
A lot of people are like that. Half the time, what ends up happening is they lose their fear of tarantulas while small house spiders, jumpers and the like freak them out to no end.

If you've done your homework and you know how to take care of one (or at least a beginner species), I'd say go for it. Plenty of us would be willing to help you out. Just make sure to do your own share of the legwork, though. We're happy to help get you fed, but we ain't here to spoonfeed. Do what research you can, and whatever questions you have that the resources don;t cover, you bring to us.
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>>2470622
Like half the people in the tarantula hobby got one initially to get over their fear of spiders. I'm not kidding.
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ayy lmao
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I plan on leaving town for 3 weeks for Christmas, and was wondering what I should do with my slings while I'm gone since I don't have anyone to take care of them. Should I bring them with me or will they be ok with no food and water for a while? Pic related; freshly molted c. cyanopubescens
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>>2471089
Forgot to attach pic
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P. sazimai sling has turned completely dark the last few days.

Is something wrong with it? I haven't seen a sling turn totally dark before.
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>>2471043
Who these babies
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>>2471192
premolt
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>>2471226
Pseudoproscopia latirostris
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found a jumping spooder on my desk (at least I assume it was, by the way it hopped everywhere)
moved it to a windowsill and lost track of it, but they're so cute, usually spiders freak me out but the breeds with relatively shorter legs never bothered me
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>>2471354
That a pic of him or just a google grab
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>>2471356
google grab, like I said I lost track of it
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>>2471358
Ah

Well yeah, jumpers are awfully cute, even to many who are afraid of spiders.
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R8 my M. mesomelas.
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>>2471428
comfy fibers/10
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>>2471428
Not enough web on the floor
It needs to get messy up in thur
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Been looking everywhere, anywhere I can buy wolf spiders online in the US?

Most of the sites I've seen they are sold out...
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>>2471576
just go outside. they are everywhere right now.
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Do hobbyists ever breed jumping spider species?
Or do they just catch them and then feed them until they die?
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>>2471590
I've seen many gravid jumpers posted here, there's some set of species where the females don't attack eachother. Don't know what it was called though.
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>>2471614
Well I live in australia so the species are probably going to be completely different but I'll give it a shot.
>tfw can't get any good spiders over here because of stupid importation laws
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>>2471362

>/k/ + /an/ 4 eva <3
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>5" geniculata has stopped eating a week ago and webbed up the entrances to its burrow 3 days ago and is now already flipped over
>last molt was only a bit over 3 months ago

Wow. This has to be some sort of record.
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>>2471658
>can't find spiders in australia
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