BONSAI

Don't know about about trimmings but I'm a beginner as well, just bought some stock at the nursery for like $15 and turning it into a bonsai. damn it looks ugly as fuck, I suck at pruning

>>2427170
im trying to see if i can grow something without putting any money into it, so any free method of getting a tree is what im doing.

the cuttings are mostly an experiment because cloning trees sounds like a cool thing.

FUCKING SNAILS ATE (some of) MY LABURNUM SEEDLINGS

salty genocide time

Almost all of my recent cuttings from my ficus but the dust.

I think my usual method of covering them with Saran wrap cooked them in the heat.

Now I'm gonna have to go buy another tree. Darn.

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>tfw had an enlightening moment today and figured out how to cutting out two branches from my juniper would not only get me two nice small junipers but also would finally make the donor into a really nice bonsai with lots of movement
>gotta wait until spring after the work I had done on it this season so far

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I recently planted some albrizia seeds and a seedling popped out yesterday. Growing with some sempervirens cutting

I had to put together a bench for my trees today because the slugs are hellbent on destruction

pre-beginner here. Is there any specific/recommended resources I should be looking into, or just google up the basics and hope for the best?

I want to start with some basics before working my way into saikei or chinese penjing

>>2428902
get yourself some trees and learn as you go, you can't separate learning from doing
get more than one tree (3-5 i find ideal) and don't worry about killing them, you are bound to kill a tree eventually
don't invest on any expensive tools until you're sure you need them
same goes for pots, you won't be needing dedicated bonsai pots for a very long time
it is also likely that if you were to start from seeds you'd get discouraged and/or bored. Get some cheap nursery leftovers. don't collect from nature unless you either know what you're doing or are 100% sure you can collect it easily without killing it.

also google and common sense

>tfw everyone is a bonsai beginner
Are there any 70 year old chinese men browsing 4chan?

>>2428962
It's more likely than you think.

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>>2428990
70 year old Chinese men?
In my 4 Chan???

Anyway, here's a ficus cutting that's really taking off. It's about three months off the mother plant at this point.

I haven't decided if I'm going to go full cascade or slowly work the roots into neagari

>>2429012
do both

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Since the other thread is gone, it seems a shame for folks to lose out on John Naka's book on Bonsai techniques.

https://mega.nz/#!ky5lEY7Z!PGCJt37YYc6wBzn0-rj5mG9FO9FvoB6ntUxPCEE1KUw

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>>2428962
>>2428990
>>2429012
No Chinese guys here, just us manly American men.

But seriously does anyone know anything about the launch codes?

>>2429019
Well yeah, that's an option too.

I've never trained for neagari though so I need to figure out what to do, probably start it up next year after it's roots are more robust

>>2429053
thanks man. this download link is probably the only place to get it on the internet. I've searched everywhere

>>2427156
>Absolute beginner here, trying to grow something out of clippings, but i dont know how plants work.
WHAT SPECIES?
>>2427230
Collect wild from woods around you. Free trees of decent age can be found relatively easily. Ones worth collecting are a bit more rare.

>>2428945
3-5 is too few. 15-20 is a decent number.
Buy cheapo nursery stock - now is a good time, sales on trees should be going on about now depending on where you live
everyone in the thread read this
>>2429053

>>2429368
>3-5 is too few. 15-20 is a decent number.
I completely agree, although for an absolute beginner 5 is plenty

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>>2429368
>>2429374
I'll meet you both half way. I'll buy a few common species, and try my hand with a bunch of cutting from native specimens (I'm Australian, so all our natives are insanely hardy).

>>2429512
where do you live in Australia my dude? I have a few bonsai nurseries that are a 30 min drive away which was pretty unexpected. I thought this was a very niche hobby

>>2429534
Bundaberg these days. Haven't looked into individual nurseries yet, but there seems to be a decent sized following down in brisbane.

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>Kept reminding myself that my local Bonsai club's once a month meeting is on tuesday
>Forget completely

Whelp, guess I get to wait another month. And the little old Japanese man who used to set up a roadside bonsai cart near our middle school is gone. He had some really cool stuff, but it figures he disappears when I actually start appreciating it.

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Heres an update on the albriza seedling its starting to grow its first real pair of leaves. The redwoods look like there not doing to good but im gonna leave them in there and see what happens. Has anyone ever built a greenhouse? Right now im just keeping them im a plastic bag and wouldnt mind investing in one

>>2429986
>local Bonsai club
I want to go to one but i'll be the youngest lad there.

>>2430343
Play your cards right, and you might get a cut of some lonely old ladies estate.

I just asked my grandmother if anyone in her gardening club was into it.

>>2430343
They always appreciate it. I went to a ham radio meet with a friend when I was 23. In a forest east of Payson, AZ. After midnight. Bunch of 40-70 year old dudes and two little young twinks that roll up at 1 AM with basically nothing to contribute and no equipment.

Shit was pretty fun. I had no previous interest in ham radio, but I still learned a lot and everyone there was helpful as hell. Take advantage of your seniors in any hobby. They'll always share unless they're total assholes.

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Well, I've achieved step 1, at least.

>>2430639
I hope you took them outside once you have taken the photo

>>2430619
That sounds shadier than anonymous gloryholes, anon

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>>2430639
I see that cheeky bunnings mate. Try take a peek at a local bonsai nursery, this one is near me and there is so much shit to look at. Price is good too.

>>2430619
>Bunch of 40-70 year old dudes and two little young twinks that roll up at 1 AM
what the fuck

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I got these 2 badboys a few weeks ago. Should i just let them grow as they are in the summer and trim them a bit in the winter? Id like them a bit bigger

>>2431330
Can someone identify the one on the right?

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Update on my bougainvillea.

Getting leggy. This was basically a dead looking stick in an nursery pot back in January. I'm trying my hardest not to prune it or mess with it so the trunk thickens up as much as possible (without having to put it in the ground)

>>2431619
Pachypodium lamerei, the Madagascar palm.

I planted my laburnum seedlings apart, got 34 separate plants
not bad imo

>>2431666
thx Satan

>>2431330
What's the one on the left? That soil looks very rich and moisture retentive. I would consider a more rocky mixture. I've had caudiciform plants die from root rot. Switched most of mine over to almost totally inorganic substrates.

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Completely new to bonsais. Bought one from Home depot, no idea what species because it wasn't labeled, on clearance. Plan on adding it to a terrarium I am setting up. Also have a mimosa I grew from a seed that I'm practicing with. We had a 25 ft mimosa tree in our yard that dropped over 9000 seeds and I was terrified my chickens were gonna die so we cut it down. Of course anyone who has dealt with these monsters know the fucker is growing back in full force, the seeds are sprouting and even some of the chopped wood has sprouted leaves.

Pic Semi related: What I hope to achieve someday. Lord knows I have enough plants/seeds to achieve it eventually.

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>>2431923
Terrarium?

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>>2431938
Yes a Terrarium, a sealable glass container containing soil and plants, which can be opened for maintenance to access the plants inside.

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>>2431941

>>2431694
Not a problem, my child.

>>2431836
Ficus retusa, the Ginseng ficus.

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>>2431923
>tfw theses trees look cool online but they only spout like that for a week in a single year and look crap the rest of the year
I fell for the meme too.

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>>2431836
I bought it like that from the supermarket. Those are my first bonsais so I'm still looking into how to take care of them.I've read that the soil needs to be moist all the time and never dry completely, so far the tree seems to make new fresh leaves and seems healthy. Also im spraying water over the leaves daily and have a cup of water between them so it can keep the moisture up in the area. Please correct me if I'm doing something wrong.
Also I live near the sea and I have a shit ton of Terra Rosa soil, do you guys think I can use it for any of my aloe plants(aloe variegata, normie aloe the one you see in every aloe video and some weird cactus kinda looking aloe, pic related) or Bonsai(highly doubt it would do something good to bonsai as it dries extremly fast).

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>>2432008
Better pic

>>2431976
>has them growing all over his property
>Actually likes their fern-like appearance

Stop shitting on my dreams :(

>>2432008
Hmm. Seems I'm wrong, sorry. P. lamerei can deal with a lot more moisture than other Pachypodiums I'm used to. If you live near the sea, your ambient humidity should be fine though.

If it ever drops leaves, don't water it though.

>>2432061
Gotcha, thanks for the tips.

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>>2431666
Ive just trimed it a bit and i noticed this white liquid. Ive googled it but it doesnt say if its safe to consume. I will try it in the name of science. If i die remember not to do what I did.

>>2432107
Satan here, just wanted to warn you that the sap you're seeing is highly toxic. So don't eat it, you dumb bastard. Good rule of thumb: never eat anything with milky white sap.

>>2432168
what about dick juice, satan?

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Hey guys, I just got this lil fella here yesterday. I have no idea how to take care of a bonsai, but I always wanted to try.

anyways, it has no markings or anything, the QR code just takes me to a site that doesn't say anything about what kind of tree this is.

I'm buying supplies for this lil nigga tomorrow, in the meanwhile, does anyone know what type of tree this is?

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The seedling is growing fast. Really hope it doesnt die cause this is the first plant ive ever grown from seed

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>>2432197
Well that's fine obviously. As long as it's not from a plant, it's all good.

>>2432249
That looks a bit like a wee olive tree. Could you take a closer picture of the leaves?

Do you know where I can buy some azalea bonsai seeds? Aliexpress has really bad reviews about the seeds. Someone that would ship to Europe.

>>2432296
the only safe site that i know of is ebay. there isn't a lot of info on seed sites like seedrack and they have bad reviews. if you do find any though please share i want to order some soon

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>>2432292
Rather small
And no, I didn't dear this down

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>>2432328
Another shot.
It might be an Olive tree, but the laves are also pretty thin, aren't olive leaves thick?

>>2432331
I don't know much about trees but that isn't olive. Olive leaves are silvery light green underneath and quite thick, and are a different shape too.

>>2430343
the violet club im in some women bring there daughters. could be similar except i think more dudes into bonsai.

>>2432976
I'm pretty sure I saw one of these the last time I was at the garden center. I didn't pay much attention to the name though.

>>2432168
I've smeared 3 drops of that white shit on my tongue. Bitter stuff but I was absolutely fine.
Fucking jews lying about plants too on the internet.

>>2433866
Forgot I was constipated as fuck the next day but I think it was because of a shitty pizza I ate.

>>2433866
>>2433868
I am always surprised that legitimately stupid people use 4chan too. Most of us just pretend to be stupid for laughs, so it's always strange to see someone that is actually so far below average intelligence post.

>>2433874
>ingest so called toxic substance
>be absolutely fine
>call bullshit on it's toxicity based on personal experience
hurr durr you are stupid
k m8

>>2433899
ingest more of it then, an entire spoonful for example

>>2433902
>The Madagascar palm has highly toxic sap that has actually been used since ancient times to create poisonous arrows, which are used in hunting, according to PlantZAfrica.com
I think 3 drops are more than they used to make an arrow poisonous.

>>2431957
>>2431938
Are terrariums a shitty meme for bonsai enthusiast? What's the joke here?

>>2433907
so go ahead and drink more of the stuff, come on

>>2433928
I wont as I already proved my point.

>>2432249 Here.

So I bought some nutrient/fertilirizer thing, that is made specifically for bonsai trees. What I don't get is that it says, that I have to use it once per two weeks. Doesn't say how much of it though, it only says that you should use 30ml of it with 2l of water. I made a smaller portion of it, 0,5l with 7.5 ml fertilirizer, but that's still fucking 0,5l of water, and I would drown the poor guy if I pour it all on it.
Sorry for being retarded, but how do i apply this fertilizer thing then? Should I just add it straight to the plant, or make an even smaller dilution and water the plant with it?

>>2433931
The only thing you proved is your stupidity.

This poison was used on arrow tips and got into the blood steam.

You ingested it.

I hope you can see why this completely invalidates your "point", but I doubt you do. Either way I'm not going to waste more time with you.

>>2433948
30ml per 2 liter is dosage, this will give you an agreeable solution of the fertilizer in the water

from there you should use the solution for watering your plant like you would water it normally, just once every two weeks use the fertilizer solution instead of plain water, that's it.
You don't have to measure and mix each time in proportion for the precise amount you intend to water with, just make a 2 liter bottle now, keep it cool and use it every now and then as prescribed on the package

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My bench after the heavy rain this morning.

Plants ought to like it. They need some food but it's been raining so damn much I've been wary of feeding this week because I don't want to drown the bastards.

I found out that a root from a pre-bonsai I just put in a pot earlier this summer is rotting, it might have been dead at the time it potted it and just now started decaying
other roots are in tip-top shape

I figured it out because it's partly above ground and I noticed changes in colour and later it started peeling.

What I think I should do it cut it close to the trunk, smear the scar with cut paste and probably pull the bad root out from the ground. Do I do this or can the tree figure it our and just let it rot off without damaging the trunk and healthy roots?

>>2434221
when soil mix do you use? i would try to figure out why the roots rooted and then decide what to do. you could cut and pull the roots but if your gonna do that why not just repot it anyway? i would personally just make sure you closely watch how you water it and repot it next spring

>>2434343
regular potting soil - when I dog the thing out it had no feeder roots at all and it seemed a better option for nourishing the old roots, each as thick as my finger
I won't be repotting this plant for at least a year because it had so far only two months to establish roots so I think I'm just gonna cut the losses and snip the dead root now - it was either dead to begin with and I missed it or it was wounded during the extraction and only now rot came above ground

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bump
is the heatwave ever gonna end?

Hopefully gonna go get this pine tree today. Wonder what im gonna do with it

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>>2436854
Whoops forgot pic

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Are Adenium and similar caudiciform bonsai real bonsai or just lazy Thai shit?

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Got the tree. Think im just gonna air layer the top part next year. Hopefully it live, luckily it was free so i dont matter to much if it dies

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>>2437529

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>>2429012
12 day difference and bump

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Miyagi approves this thread.

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I think this is a chinese elm. Popped up while still at my apartment in some planters. Can anyone confirm?

I cut a V shape like they do to encourage broom like growth from the stub at the top of the 20+ year old english ivy to similarly encourage budding at the top of the trunk for once. I hope I haven't made a grave mistake.
Sealed it with cut paste for now, once it dries I will strip it a little around the edge of the live bark - humidity this year is killing me with mold issues so I couldn't leave it bare.
Also uprooted it and removed all the rotten roots that didn't recover after the initial extraction before I put it in a new pot.
Now waiting for the paste to dry.

Ivy is such a great plant. It doesn't look like it but against all odds this plant is still kinda sorta alive.

Hey guys, probably a very dumb question but I just want to make sure before trying my hand at this. I can just get a regular sapling and trim it back, right? I don't need to get a bonsai sapling from a bonsai nursery? Thanks a ton in advance

>>2439289
If you get a sapling you'll probably want to let it grow for a few years before even really working it. It's best to start off with some bonsai or pre bonsai stock and then you can have some sapling or whatever growing while you're learning to train things properly

>>2439451
Right, didn't quite mean a sapling. Was thinking more along the lines of the kind of thing you'd get at home depot which is already grown a bit

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>>2432249 here
I'm in some trouble, I kept watering this guy, like i read, always making sure to keep its soil moist, but not to drench it it water, and also sprayed some water on its leaves . Things were fine ,but now I just looked at it, and all of its leaves are curling upwards, as if it's drying out or something. I don't know what to do, I gave it some water now, with a little bonsai nutrient mix in it, and sprayed some water on the leaves hoping for the best. This is sudden, I mean all I noticed is that there were one,sometimes two yellowing leaves, but I just chalked that up for the tree getting used to it's new place. Pic releated, I just sprayed water on the little guy, that's why it's looking wet at the top. How fucked am I?

>>2442300
Despite what they say, it actually takes several weeks of being completely saturated to start causing problems.

>>2442300
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIt8piVt3P8

are you sure you aren't watering too little?

>>2443089
This video is a joke right, guy fucking drowns that poor plant
>>2442942
I mean, I kept checking it daily, the soil was always moist... Granted, I never gave it too much water, but mainly because the pot itself is rather small, it's a 17,5cm x 12,5cm rectangle, and it's like 5cm deep. I used a regular spray bottle with a light spray to give it water almost daily, mainly to get some water to the leaves itself, as for actual watering, that was like maybe every 2nd day? But I'm sure I didn't use more than 200 ml of water, since the pot is really small, it can't hold more than around double of that,otherwise it starts to spill. I mean, I made a nutrient mix for it, I dilluted it in 500ml of water, and that couldn't fit in the pot.

Anyways, is there any way to save this little guy? Leaves are still curled up, some are slightly browning, but very few leaves dropped from it. Do I water it intensively today too, give it a nutrient solution, or put it in more sunlight?

>>2443119
watch other videos of watering. you are supposed to get everything soaked as fuck, if you have proper bonsai soil the water will drain out. A little spray of water on the leaves isn't enough

>>2443121
Yeah okay, I'll watch, but does this mean if I keep it excessively watered for a couple of days, it'll recover?
Fucking hell, I like plants, but I didn't want a bonsai for this reason, I knew I'd fuck it up

>>2443122
wait a sec are you keeping it indoors? they thrive outside.

>>2443123
This one is an indoor plant

>>2443124
There are no "indoor bonsai plants", just particular bonsai that are hardy enough to survive indoors. If it looks bad, try put it outside.

>>2443125
It's a ficus plant, it cannot endure a cold, what are you talking about

>>2443127
is it cold outside right now m8
I'll bet you it isn't
put the tree outside

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update on my ivy stumps
leaves are finally coming in strong
and there not three weeks ago I thought they were dead

>>2443127
Keep it outside unless the temps drop below 40 Fahrenheit

>>2443274
>>2443180
I live on the 5th floor, I can't put it outside

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>>2443326
Yesterday you said because you loved on the fifth floor. What's today's excuse?

Just. DO IT

Where can I get a reasonably-priced Chinese Elm?
I've checked all local nurseries, no dice. I did find some at a local Lowe's, selling a little wilted, dying twig for $30, but that's all I saw.

>>2444490
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bonsai-Tree-Chinese-Elm-Ulmus-parvifolia-Live-Tree-Starter-Tree-/371962074243?hash=item569aaad483:g:pWsAAOSwBt5ZJ2~O

if that's not good enough for you then you might be sol. my local nurseries don't carry them either except for bonsai nurseries but there expensive. if your not in a hurry grow them from seeds

there supposed to be easy to propagate from cuttings maybe try to somehow get a cutting

>>2443326
don't you have a balcony or something? or an outside windowsill that could hold a pot?
Where I live it is quite common to have plants out in that way if you don't have space otherwise.
You might want to install a rail or a little guard outside so the plant doesn't fall off whenever wind blows

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I thought having Bonsai was about pretty small trees. It's really about stubs in dirt

Could one bonsai a mesquite tree?
What trees would do well for bonsai in Tx?

>>2445644
it's a very common misconception, glad you sorted it out

>>2436855
I know I'm fucking late but what app?

>>2445750
Offerup

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Havent posted an update on the albrizia in like a week.

Also, just bought an ebay greenhouse. Hopefully it'll last

>>2445904
I'll probably have to buy one before the winter

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Got a wild hare up my ass last night and pruned my Acer palmatums.

One of them looks like it might be ready for a pot pretty soon. (Next year?)

Taking the cuttings when I get home from work and I'm going to plant them forest style and see what happens.

>>2443119
>This video is a joke right, guy fucking drowns that poor plant
Fucking lol
Bonsai aren't as delicate as you think they are.
The idea of watering is to wet the ENTIRE soil mass.
Dry soil = dead roots = slow growth or dead tree.
You're supposed to water liberally so the entire soil mass gets wet. Using proper bonsai soil, it's impossible to over-water or "drown" the plant. The idea is to completely saturate the soil.
If a plant is not in bonsai soil and it gets very dry, you should submerge it completely in water for an hour. Dry potting soil is hydrophobic and resists rehydration, causing dry spots, dead roots and an unhappy plant.

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>>2446270
And my first attempt at a forest using cuttings from these trees

>>2446270
Looks young and lacks trunk thickness + taper. I'd give it a few more years at least.

>>2447098
True.

I may pull it out of the pot in the spring and drop in into the dirt now that I have a house and can plant things a little more permanently.

I have plans to build out a better display bench and maybe a big raised grow bed next to it so we'll see.

>>2447132
>>2447098
I've also considered the air pruning route

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>>2447135
Nice sized pond basket + well-draining soil (Napa Auto floor-dry DE #8822, akadama, turface, whatever) + aggressive fertilization can rival in-ground growth speeds.
If it is well-rooted in its current soil, you could slip pot it into the ground (Pull at the base to take out the root-ball without disturbing it, dig a hole in the ground and plant it properly) right now, instead of waiting until spring. Important part is to not disturb the root ball more than necessary right now.
>>2447078
I'm assuming you used root hormone powder to stimulate root growth on these guys. Maples don't tend to take too well from cuttings, which is why air layering is popular with them. I would expect at least several of those cuttings to not take.

>>2447170
They shouldn't be root bound at all. These are cuttings that I picked up at the beginning of the year from a local nursery for $5 each. I've made a point not to mess with them as much as possible this year because last year, I bought a cutting from them right when I first started getting into bonsai and killed it from lack of patience.

I also chopped the trunk in half(again, lack of patience) and successfully rooted it with hormone, so maybe these will make it.

I reckon I will wait until the spring and get the three that I have into good air pruning pots with good bonsai soil. The soil they're in at the moment just plain old potting soil that I had lying around when I was ready to get them out of the little 4" pots they came in.

One will have to stay in dirt for a while longer for sure, I have the roots wrapped around a rock so that one isn't getting touched until next year no matter what.

>>2445659
wondering myself.
also since you're in tx how about texas mountain laurel? They have the good bark, are nice canopy formers, and here in az are currently covered in fat seed pods

>>2447496
>>2445659
The leaves of both of those are kinda large but as long as you have the seeds or can find the plants, why not? Add in Palo Verde too for fun. In my area Siberian Elms are every where and like to reseed themselves in my potted plants, may dig some up this year.

>>2447611
googling kinda led me to the same conclusion. both would make nice miniatures maybe 4 ft high?

I'm now thinking maybe acacias, many varieties, some clumping, small leaves and flowers, if you can find them with small enough thorns. There are also local v.'s of Bursera microphylla which could be a candidate.

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meine bonsai

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Trimmed my grewia for the THIRD time this summer. This was a father's day present.

Messing with bring a branch down to help define the canopy

>>2429059
yes. go fok ya self