are veterinarians real doctors?

They're supposed to have a PhD, so yes.

it's a respectable career if that's what ur asking, easier to have a patient that can tell you what is wrong, from personal experience animals can be worse than children to deal with

>Human doctor
-only deals with one species
-within that species, usually deals with one area of its body\system
-Patients can describe their symptoms and are usually easy to handle
>Veterinarian
-has to treat several different species, sometimes even different classes
-often deals with all bodily systems of those animals
-patients can't describe symptoms, often try to hide pain as an evolutionary trait, and often are very hard to handle

you tell me OP

>>2419243
It's a branch of science and they are masters in it, so yes

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Same courses and techniques taught, same length of time, same cost as MDs.

>>2419268
PhD in medical fields are well known to be more like rewards for completing your formal education. Their thesis are extremely short and basic and contian no original research.

That's not to say they are somehow unqualified and the courses they go through are certainly very taxing, but the PhD in a medical field itself is not a big accomplishment.

Definitely. Depending on country, veterinary schools can be even more competitive to get in to and stay in than human med school.

Which isn't to say that there aren't lazy vets who half ass it. Of course there are shit human doctors too, for same reason.

>>2419277
I've always respected vet's but this brings it to a new level. Thanks.

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>>2419407
>>2419277
>usually deals with one area of its body\system
Additionally, I think it's worth noting that even within system specialization human doctors are usually further divided by function. For example, let's say I'm suffering from strange, chronic abdominal pain, so I go see my GP about it. She refers me to a gastroenterologist, who decides I need x-rays and refers me to a radiologist, who decides (along with the gastroenterologist) that I need surgery and refers me to an actual surgeon, who will work with an anesthesiologist to determine how I'll undergo anesthesia.

For the same situation in a dog, a vet would be serving most of these roles. The doctor would examine the pet, then decide based on symptom explanations and palpation of the abdomen that it needs x-rays. Vet techs take and develop the radiographs, then give them to the same doctor for diagnosis. Same vet decides surgery needs to be done. Techs handle all anesthesia/surgical prepwork, and the same vet will do the procedure.

Granted, there are exceptions to this. If something really weird is showing up on an x-ray, a veterinary radiologist might be consulted via e-mail, but such cases are fairly rare. Orthopedic surgeries are longer, more difficult surgeries that usually require specialists. But yeah, the above is what's going to happen 95%+ of the time. The differences between human and veterinary medicine are really quite interesting.

>>2419243
no. even doctors are hardly doctors anymore.

>>2419243
Are animal breeders geneticists? Are groomers hair stylists?

>>2419268
Medical doctors are equivalent to a masters degree.

>>2419243
They get pretty close but being a vet is much simpler and doesn't hold the same responsibility, obviously. You can choose a sort of a specialization if you're gonna be treating farm animals or pets and it really isn't that much of a hassle, you go for the obvious problems and treat, if it's an extremely rare disease you put the animal down.

tldr if you get shot you can go to a vet but don't expect him to treat you for something that requires more than a course of antibiotics

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>>2420197

> it really isn't that much of a hassle,
> you go for the obvious problems and treat
> if it's an extremely rare disease you put the animal down.

Someone here hasn't got a clue. I'm not going to deny your first fact- it depends on how you see responsibility to be honest with you- I'd argue that having our clients pets lives in our hands is a pretty big responsibility personally.

But you don't have a clue about the rest- how is our job "much simplier"? We do the same diagnostics you guys do, heck we're ahead of you in quite a few fields (orthapaedics to name just one), we also undertake surgery and we don't just put things to sleep if it's a rare disease like you claim.

If you don't believe me, all you need to do is turn on your TV to some show like Supervet (not advocating Noel- he's an arse, but that's a story for another time) to see we don't give up on our patients. In fact I'd argue medics are the backwards ones in society when we can't let people who quite obviously state they want to die have legal euthanisation.

Take dementia for example, I had to watch my University lecturer grandfather turn from an extremely intelligant man to a cabbage - he had always said if he got dementia he'd rather be put out of his misory. I could offer that to my patients - but instead prior to University I spent years feeding and looking after essentially a human cabbage that wasn't going to get any better. If I could have put him to sleep I wouldn't call that giving up on him, I'd call that the right decision.

How is it not a hassle to decide which route you go down? How is choosing which range of species to specialise in any differernt from choosing a department of a hospital? Hell, I'd argue we do more than a new doctor at a hospital- as >>2419482 has so beautifully laid out for me.

Are you aware veterinary specialists exist?

>>2420217

If you're a medic, then its idiots like you that put us ten years behind. Vets and medics need to be working together- we respect you guys, you just need to get off your high horse and learn that you could learn a few things off us- and vice versa. You wouldn't have half the medical advancements you have in human medicine without vets.

TLDR: Vet student triggered.

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>>2420219
>TLDR: Vet student triggered.
Ray Charles could have seen that coming with this thread.

>>2419298
Thesis for doctorates used to require discovering/proving something. Medical fields kind of fucked that requirement over..

>vets become vets because they love animals
>only employment available for vets is for slaughterhouse animals

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>>2420284
I don't even know where you got this idea, Tim.

>>2420281
They aren't PhD doctorates
Md- medical doctor
Dvm- doctor of veterinary medicine
Dds- doctor of dental surgery
JD- juris doctor
OD- doctor of optometry
PharmD- doctor of pharmacy

These degrees existed for a while and never required any kind of thesis

>>2419243
i don't think they care if they are real doctors. Fuckers take huge amounts of money for fucking injecting needles into our pets or telling us that they're dead/not going to make it and then making us pay for it.
A veterinarian doesn't even have to give a shit if his "patient" lives. Just tell the family he didn't have a chance lol

>>2420217
>>2420219
I guess I see why you're going on a tangent in regards to doctor-assisted suicide, but I support it too, which now leads to the same disparity - euthanizing a human is a much more complicated decision than doing it to an animal. Yeah, obviously I like dogs and cats and I feel for them but it doesn't carry the same weight.

You're saying a vet has to do all of those things multiple doctors do and I assume you're correct. However that leaves us with a couple of possibilities, either we lack the information for a huge number of diseases or animals simply don't get the same variety that we do or the vets aren't as invested to be able to learn and treat all of them. It's a bit of a cynical conclusion but I'm going off by how much you need to know to be a licensed practitioner (I assume). It might also have to do with the responsibility you undertake.

I'm not trying to underplay the value of your work and I hope you don't think I'm being cynical there is a massive overlap between mammals after all.
The 'hassle' thing was in regards to my dog that I diagnosed, the vet said the same thing but he didn't get better (he's okay, it's a recurring issue) so I thought it must be some dog-related stuff but he also had no idea. Well, what's the point then?

To be fair I have no idea how you wire a cat to an EKG so that's something to respect.

>>2420312
Negro, people don't go to highly competitive schools for 8 years and dig themselves easily $100k+ into debt because they don't give a shit about animals. Don't confuse the level of emotional disconnect required to stay sane working in the field (as exists in human medicine, too) with apathy.

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are veterans real soldiers?

>>2420297
My know-it-all asshole uncle spouted this crap 30 years ago.
>Jerry, is that you?
I thought you were still alive, but didn't know you could turn on a computer, let alone know greentexting.

>>2420312
Yeah, they're real money grubbing jews with their $88k median salary. Such a financially lucrative field.

They're probably the only medical professionals that are interested enough in their field to take a pay cut that large. Could have become a family practitioner for the same amount of debt and time investment and made more than double the salary. Could have become a nurse and cleaned old people's shit all day for double the salary.

>>2420621
They were