To make /an/ cringe

>>2407318
How romantic

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Someone is selling this on etsy for $30.

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A lot of bettas. They always get the worst of it I swear.

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This entire show is just a mess. Those poor, poor fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys95CDicYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJdqzxah1OY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1wvTsC9URw

I found this gem while researching venus fly traps. Mouthbreather with a wet lisp shows you how to make a "terranium" with fake flowers glued to a cactus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNT6SHnwL8E

also,
>>2407333
>mason jars have lids on them with almost no air in jar
I wonder if they were dead by the time she finished uploading this.

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IT GETS WORSE
https://youtube.com/watch?v=49qL2ONvRG8

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!!! THREE (3) GALLONS !!!

>>2407334
I hate television so fucking god damn much

>guys who make acrylic tanks for a living randomly have a sudden theatrical realization that they can apply basic treatment techniques

it's insulting that I'm expected not to vomit

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They thought this was a good enough idea that they had to make a tutorial

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It's not even water anymore it's just piss

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WHY IS IT ALWAYS BETTAS

>>2407346
at least he has a cute castle

cute castles are very important to fish

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>[object] has some hollow space
>LET'S PUT A FISH IN IT

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There are amphibians and land animals, too, that I have collected.

>>2407355
>man it would be awesome if we had an aquarium that took up a larlge amount of space but somehow managed to afford the fish only a fraction of the occupied volume

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>>2407357
This... this thing. I have no words.

>>2407355
>>2407358
How the fuck do you even clean the lower bubbles? Do you take the pipes apart and flood your house?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoSKKCzhEtM

>>2407360
just put cleaner fish and everything will be okay :^)

>>2407364
is this a MadTV skit

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I don't even know anymore

>>2407359
>>2407357

Might be alright to keep a couple of tiny shrimp

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http://products.rolypolypocketpets.com/products/madagascar-hissing-cockroach-on-a-leash-and-a-castle-home

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>>2407367
It's a real thing, and they're still for sale despite people (rightfully) freaking out.

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Plastic hellscape

>>2407373
>Take your hisser for a walk
>Just wants to hide under the first thing it can

>>2407382
All the space that takes up. Could have such a great tank which consumes the same amount as table top surface and flesh it out with multiple layers. Novelty dictates of pragmatism for too many pet owners. That thing isn't even aesthetically pleasing.

>>2407375
What is wrong with people.

>>2407369
People neglect fish way too much.

>>2407393
I take my hisser(s) out for walks sometimes. I think it's like enrichment for them. Usually I have them in a carrier, but sometimes if it's just 1 they'll hide in my clothes and poke their little head out sometimes to see what's going on. I don't do it often at all, maybe like once a month or so for fear of overstimulating them.

>>2407396
I might try it in that case. I have a huge tub filled with them. Use them as feed for all my ant colonies. Was using Dubias and Porcelain roaches before hand.

The Porcelain, very beautiful to keep and look great in a set up tank full of dirt and moss with wood etc... People who would say they hated cockroaches always loved them. The down side with them is they're skinny, good climbers and can fly.

Dubia's were good but went out of stock and I had depleted mine. As a consolation was sent hissers instead and they do great for ants. They're much larger so 1 bull will quite easily feed a week meaning my stock stays pretty level.

>>2407339
they're growing and look healthy. I dunno what the problem is, other than some autist rule about tank size that doesn't take into account filtration

>>2407336
why are harry potter fans always the worst?>>2407373
I'm having a fucking stroke

>>2407359
>Adjustable aeration
You mean... A bubbler?

>>2407364
That looks like my hospital set up for my injured or sick mice. But i have the big 5 gallon one so it's slightly better. My mice used to have a 40 gallon with a pvc tunnel leading to a multi level storage bin. Broke the 40 in a move and now my last two female are in a 20 long.

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>tfw you live in a coffee table

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>>2407451

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>tfw you live in a sink

>>2407451
>>2407454
>>2407455
We really need a house where EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PIECE of furniture is a fish tank

>>2407334
They made a shark tank for some rich emo dad's store. Just babby stuff like bamboo sharks, but the fucking guido says on air >"-and when they get too big, we'll just come and take them away."

>>2407455
Can I just wash my hands and leave or am I supposed to prolong my time at the sink to enjoy the aquarium?
This defeats the entire purpose of an aquarium.

>>2407349
Because they can take it the best compared to all other fishes. You have to be Death to kill one.
I've kept a betta in a mason jar for two months now. I don't think I've ever even seen it eat.
They're great for people who don't want to totally commit to taking good care of a fish properly. An indochinese man's betting fish of choice for good reason.

>>2407455
>jerk off in to sink
>traumatized fish now swim in circles, twitching

>>2407334
>>2407344
>>2407477
I actually feel kinda bad for these guys, because it's obvious they are not fish keepers. They are JUST aquarium builders.

It's like expecting someone who builds houses to know how to be a doctor in case one of the people who buys their house from them gets sick.

If anything, I like the fact that they show them going to the actual aquariums and asking about the fish, they aren't afraid to show their ignorance, and take you along for the ride when they educate themselves.

>>2407575
*aquarium stores

My bad.

>>2407575
I always felt it was more like expecting someone who builds houses for a living to know how to build to suit the occupant.

>>2407338

I honestly cannot buy cacti without the flowers glued onto them in 50 km radius of my home..

>>2407353
By far the worst

>>2407375
If its not harmful to the frogs whats the big deal? I bet they would look tits under a black light

>>2407359
>>2407364
I mean you could put an invert in it if you wanted I guess
but why

>>2407666
too bad that amphibians have permeable skin and this will harm them

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>>2407382
oh, it could be worse

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Can someone explain why people buy this shit? Jesus christ.

>>2407334
That octopus one hurts the most.

>>2407336
>blue betta in Ravenclaw
>yellow in Hufflepuff
>red in Gryffindor
>red/blue in Slytherin

Honestly, this is the worst part.

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>>2407826
It's probably a green betta. They're hard to photograph to show their green colors and usually just appear red&blue on camera.

>>2407878
>the miracle gro

jesus

>>2407878
Miracle gro? Really? Go take a nap grandma. Real men grow organic food.

Oh lawd is that some jawsus?

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>Within two months, most of the fish died.

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>>2407339
MUCH, MUCH WORSE

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Hmmm hmm

>>2407739
>>2407382

Science Team has gone too far.

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From a buzzfeed article titled "how to teach your hamster to snuggle"

>>2407926
People wonder why hamsters are so "evil" and "bitey" when they stuff them into something the size of a burrow.

They're protecting their burrow because they have no fucking space. They think the entire thing is their private den and you are coming into it like a predator, waking them up in the middle of the day when they're dead asleep, grabbing them with your hands that are as big as their bodies. Fucking hell this is common sense. I wish it were illegal to sell these meme "good animals for kids for little cost" with no info on a good enclosure and what they need but the animals are cheap and demand is high so of course that will never happen.

>>2407928
Good pet shop attendants usually always check your cage size and can refuse sales.

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>>2407373
>kill me

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>>2407934
Yeah but they shouldn't even sell those cages in the first place. Same with shitty "betta tanks" that are just not suitable. There must be demand because the companies are paying for shelf space but WHO the fuck keeps buying this garbage? In this day and age, where google is accessible to everyone and all you have to do if you actually care about the animal is google "care for __",

>>2407960
It doesn't even make sense because they cost more or cost the same as an actual nice fishtank. Where is the advantage in making & selling these things?

>>2407965
It baffles me as a pet store employee. Shelf costs are high. Fortunately at my particular location we very rarely sell these shitty things, and are able to convince most people to get a real tank instead, but still? Why are they still on our shelves? Who's still buying this tacky crap?

>>2407960
Truth, but sometimes the carriers are expected to be there because live mouse feeders and reptile owners have to have space to keep bugs and such. Which I don't support. I'm one of those guys that makes cardboard playgrounds for my mice with plastic bottle slides and tunnels and fun shit. It's extremely tedious, but enrichment is necessary or rodents will start fucking with their owners and being assholes and pissing on the bars, ruining your table. Oh and of course, throwing turds. Fuck wire cages sometimes.

What is fucked up is the pictures of rats, mice, gerbils and hamsters on the label. Same with food that they shouldn't eat, like alfalfa weighted mixes. Fucking dumb. Picking out alfalfa is SHIT.

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>>2407487
That doesn't mean you should do it. The only thing they feel is their gills burning away from ammonia. No fish is good for people who don't want to totally commit. If you can't commit to any animal then don't get one. It's simple. These idiots think doing a weekly water change and adding a little bit of water conditioner is rocket science.

>>2407666
Many frogs die from this process and the ones who do make it have weakened immune systems.

>>2407983
Why don't people just buy distilled water and not put chemicals in it for these fish?

It's $1. No bully if I'm wrong here, but I don't think chemicals are needed unless a waterborne issue comes from tank inserts.

>>2407987
Small tanks that would be fine or topping off. But when you get larger than 10 gallons I don't think it's worth it. Seachem prime is good though and disappears in 24 hours. I wouldn't do it but you could dump a whole bottle in a tank and nothing would go wrong.

>>2407990
$10? Why can't people pay that and use a good filter, oxygen tubes and siphons? It would be like $1 per water change, too much for a swamp fish?

>>2407993
Really depends on the ph of the distilled water. Prime also converts ammonia into ammonium which is much less toxic to fish.

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>>2408002
>Really depends on the ph of the distilled water.
lol'd

>>2407990
>you could dump a whole bottle in a tank and nothing would go wrong.
try it- you'll see that something does indeed go wrong. It'll take some reading for you to figure out what it was though.

ITT: multiple autists unaware that many animals prefer tight, enclosed spaces because it make them feel secure.

>>2408079
Thats why you provide hiding places for them.
Those same animals are also active at certain times and need space to move when they come out.

>>2408025
That's why we're trying to learn more dude. Don't bother to send us on shitty google hunts, the best way to get info is from experienced people. We aren't going. We just want answers. I don't even like fish or have a tank, but if you know shit, please be happy that you have this platform to share it and help people take better care of their animals and plants.

>>2408002
???

>>2408120
>please be happy that you have this platform to share it

>share some wisdom on 4chan
>5 people immediately contradict it
>all 5 insult your person and family
I don't say shit here. Read the warnings on the bottle if you don't like google.

>>2408124
I didn't even notice this, I went to the store.

Maybe you guys need to be more hostile because I don't think using distilled water for a fish is an unacceptable practice.

What happened here? Are you misreading it? I'm being nice and asking sensible questions. I will never own a fish, but asking questions is how you learn, and the information is spread.

Why can you not disclose acceptable fish keeping practices to me? What are you hiding?

>>2408129
If you dont want to deal with his dickery, ask in the /aq/ general

>>2408023
Do you know nothing about PH or testing water?
>>2408025
And like I said nothing would go wrong.

>>2408120
???? What???? PH??? What's that??? ????? Huh????

You stupid fucks need to learn about water chemistry

>>2408136
>Do you know nothing about PH or testing water?

I'm laughing at you because you don't know ALL DISTILLED WATER HAS THE SAME pH.

That's fucking funny right there.

>>2408133
Fine, sorry you're too good to come on an internet information sharing/discussion board and share information/discuss things.

>>2408139
I just said I know little. Testing is easy, but questioning sterile distilled gallon water makes very little sense, it's all about the same.

The fuck are you guys up to, I asked a couple questions of something I wanted to learn about and all I get is HURR DURR UR AN BUTTFUCKER.

really? Explain what is going on here. No one wants constant intelligence attacks on this board. But I guess it's easier to strike. I have been here for twelve years, I am not a dumb retarded shitposter, I am asking a few questions nicely, please answer them.

Your lack of an answer shows me you really want aquatic life dead, quote sociopathic for a fish owner, but I guess we can't all keep Oscars in plastic mouse carriers and come here to claim we know everything but won't tell you.

>>2408151
>questioning sterile distilled gallon water makes very little sense, it's all about the same
see, you're smarter than /an/ already. You have nothing to learn here.

Prime reduces dissolved O2. Dosing the entire bottle to the tank can suffocate fish. It's otherwise nontoxic.

>>2408150
This isn't true

>>2408151
>>2408164
see, state a fact on /an/ and immediately some faggot denies it.

>>2408158
This is false. Seachem prime does not reduce dissolved o2. Holy fuck I found this out in a 30 second Google search. What product are you even thinking of?
>>2408158
This is also false. If you think this guy is intelligent then you must be slow in the head. One test of walmarts distilled water reveals 5.5ph while Costco was 6.5ph.

There's zero warnings on seachem prime

>>2408170
I think he's referring to excel. Seems that he's not a fish keeper so it's easy to get confused.

>>2408181
they both consume oxygen in the same way.

>>2408184
So when I 10x dosed my fry tank in an emergency why didn't they all die? Hmm. Also are you forgetting about tank aeration? Filters? Air pumps? Plants?

>>2408164
It's 100% water with nothing in it to change the Ph.

>>2408170
>One test of walmarts distilled water reveals 5.5ph while Costco was 6.5ph.
Then it's improperly distilled. Water has a Ph of 7 and it only changes when things are dissolved into it.

>>2408187
>So when I 10x dosed my fry tank in an emergency why didn't they all die?
probably because your fry consume very little oxygen, 10x wasn't sufficient to deplete the oxygen, the tank was otherwise aerated, or the tank volume was large enough to compensate.

>Also are you forgetting about tank aeration? Filters? Air pumps? Plants?
no. are you assuming I am?

I said the product depletes O2 and can cause suffocation. I didn't say you couldn't add more O2 to the tank. That's your business not mine.

>>2408188
>Water has a Ph of 7 and it only changes when things are dissolved into it.
CO2 gets dissolved in it.

distilled water exposed to room air has a pH of about 5.8.

there is no variation though. Water distilled in vacuum is always 7 and water otherwise distilled is always 5.8.

>>2408194
I really wish you fucking b8 fags would just go

>>2408170
I think you're lying to agitate me.
I asked for info, not whining. Shut the fuck up and explain this to me. Bettas can't live in distilled, ph tested, chemical water because "oh you're a faggot go ask someone else?"

The fuck? This is not /b/.

>>2408188
I think these guys are idiots. They obviously can't test water because distilled water is fucking evaporated and collected in sterile tanks. How the fuck could the pH change? It can't unless affected by the plastic.

What the fuck guys. What is this about? Why can't you shut the fuck up and answer a question I was very nicely asking?

"I LOVE FISH" "HOW DO I TAKE CARE OF FISH?" "FUCK U UR A RETARD GO ASK SOMEONE ELSE"

Jesus.

>>2408202
consider the possibility that I'm not trying to bait you, you're just not smart enough to understand the topic.

and then understand that it's you irritating others, you have no right to be irritated.

>>2408208
A lotn of us want this info, can you elaborate on the questions posed?

I'm a neutral party not the guy attacking everyone by the way.

>>2408223
I'm also lurking and waiting for the alphas to get all the testosterone out of their fingers.

>>2407987
>It's $1. No bully if I'm wrong here, but I don't think chemicals are needed unless a waterborne issue comes from tank inserts.
Wow. From this simple question I read at the end of work until I got home after going to the gym, /aq/ just blew the fuck up. 1000/10 masterful bait even if you didn't mean to.

Also, pre-bought water is always more expensive. I bought some conditioner off of Amazon for slightly less than $8 for 16 oz, and it will treat 9,600 gallons, and I don't have to fuck around with buying water every time I want to do a change.

This is for freshwater though. Things change for saltwater as not everyone wants to invest in an RO/DI unit (if that type of water quality is needed) and the water change amount is generally far lower.

But yeah, even beyond the whole distilled water debate, you can certainly buy water for fish. Petco/Petsmart sells it. Never looked into it if it's just distilled or tap that was treated or they actually put some effort into it and put trace elements in it for plants or whatever. Regardless of what they did, it's still unnecessarily more expensive and less convenient than a good old bottle of water conditioner.

>>2408242
>pre-bought
Yeah I'm still tired as fuck. I mean pre-treated water.

It's most commonly found in the betta section of Petco/Petsmart. Some of the bigger stores may have the water in "bulk" of 5-10 gallons, which really is nothing as I would use it up in a single water change and that's annoying as fuck to buy and bring home every time.

>>2408223
what do you want elaboration on?

the pH of pure water is 7. Not because of magic but because the pH scale is calibrated off of the pH of pure water. After exposure to air, pure water picks up gaseous pollutants including things like oxygen, ozone, carbon dioxide, methane, etc. These pollutants, primarily carbon dioxide, cause the water to become mildly acidic. Since no buffers are present to reduce acidity, it settles at a pH dictated by the ratios of gasses in the atmosphere. These ratios are almost perfectly constant so distilled water will have exactly the same pH anywhere.

Distilled water kills most organisms, not just because it lacks critical minerals and micronutrients for life, but because it can actually leach minerals out of the body. It's hungry for buffers, minerals.

I can't elaborate on Prime's consumption of oxygen except to say it uses the same process as every other brand of ammonia neutralizer and all of them consume oxygen in the transformation.

If I were to have let's say a 10gal tank for a betta, with a hypothetically optimal filter, how often would I need to change the water?

>>2408249
>>2408251
Thanks for being decent. I'm drink, have to reread this tomorrow and absorb it.

The more knowledge we have, the safer our animals are. That's what we do here. Until fagfuck decides to shit himself over water.
See you tomorrow maybe.

>>2407318
I rescued a betta off craigslist last weekend. I can tell he used to be pretty but he appears to have serious swim bladder disorder. However my bettas in the past that have gotten SBD have sank to the bottom or always floated, this guy goes up and down. Could it be something else? I don't think it is constipation because he is bloated up huge, the scales around the bloat look like in dropsy when they come apart from the body. But he doesn't have dropsy.

Should i bother with melafix or anything?

>>2408255
The filter, if it is a traditional filter (sponge, HOB, etc), is not a factor in water changing in established (cycled) tanks.

The purpose of the water change is for the nitrate, which a regular biofilter does not do anything about.

There are certain kinds of filters that do deal with nitrate, but they also have downsides, usually maintenance or cost. Look up a scrubber filter if you are interested. They're pretty interesting but I don't want to deal with that shit.

A traditional biofilter gets rid of debris (mechanical filtration) and most importantly ammonia and nitrite (by turning ammonia in to nitrite, then nitrite into nitrate).

Plants will also help get rid of ammonia/nitrite/nitrate, so a heavily planted, low stocked aquarium could potentially not need water changes ever (although evaporation is still a thing, and you should probably check up on trace element buildup).

But anyway, in a traditional 10g aquarium with no live plants and just a single betta that is not overfed, water changes would likely go for well over a month inbetween. Hard to say but you could certainly test it.

>>2408286
>A traditional biofilter gets rid of debris (mechanical filtration) and most importantly ammonia and nitrite (by turning ammonia in to nitrite, then nitrite into nitrate).
Jesusfuck I am retarded at typing tonight.

A traditional filter gets rid of debris (mechanical), and most importantly ammonia/nitrite (bio).

Other parts of the traditional filter are not very important. Third most common component is carbon (chemical filter), which is pretty much a scam for filter companies to have regular ongoing business. Regular water changes and water conditioner is faster and more effective at practically everything a carbon filter does.

Wet/dry is another fairly common component that just helps with aeration. This is usually not a big deal, and can be supplemented with just a simple airstone + air pump anyway if you really needed (and it is obviously completely redundant with something like a sponge filter).

>>2407360
Just cram it with fucking shrimp
Shrimp for days

>>2407455
>wash your hands with hot water
>everything in your tank dies
How could a fish sink possibly go wrong?

>>2407354
And thus the japanese porn with eel filled assholes were born.

>>2407477
Take them away to a happy shark farm right?
Right?

>>2408540
Probably. They're worth a lot of money in the aquarium trade. The babbies cost hundreds, the adults are worth thousands.

There's a whole market of corporations and extremely wealthy people that buy large saltwater fish.

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>>2407960
>In this day and age, where google is accessible to everyone and all you have to do if you actually care about the animal is google "care for __",

This is my exact rant, always. The answer I've come to after working at a pet store for over a year? People literally DO NOT give a FUCK.

People, normies specifically, are immature little babbies when it comes to animals, in waaay more ways then one. I could go on for hours about all that, though. In this situation, they just want a pretty fish because it's "cool" and "quirky". I mean, just look through the betta or pet fish hashtag on Instagram. You'll find numerous posts of le quirky college girls and young mothers posting pics of their betta in Mason jars and bowls, the caption usually being something along the lines of "I welcome Sir William Fishertard III to the family!!!1!1!!!one".

I swear to god they have a copypasta for this shit.

At any rate, it's a cultural convention that fish can live in bowls fine, and they take it at face value for 2 reasons: they simply do not care, and because they are so far removed from the true petkeeping hobby that it's beyond their mental capacity to think that anybody would take the time to write about the care for the animal. Even though the worldwide source of endless information is right at their fingertips, a mix of ignorance and frankly not giving a shit keeps them from accessing it.

>>2408546
All the betta keepers I know treat them as disposable accessories to their containers. Which makes sense I guess. The fish costs about as much money as their husband makes per minute.

I sort of agree, I occasionally use them as feeder fish when I feel like irritating betta owners.

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>>2408548

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>>2408554
>women find it erotic when they eat each other

>>2408129
Distilled water doesn't have the minerals that most fish need to stay healthy. For fish adapted to very soft water it's fine, but others will develop anemic symptoms.

>>2408574
succinct and entirely correct.

distilled water is fine for topping evaporation, but deadly for water changes or filling a tank.

>>2408129
Also water with no alkalinity will swing in pH very easily, making it difficult to keep the parameters stable.

>>2408150
>>2408203
Thermal distillation alone won't produce 100% pure water 100% of the time, and ambient gases will dissolve into distilled water pretty easily. Besides, it's not like the distilled water you buy from a store is going to be made to super high lab standards, and there is little to no systematic regulation on any kind of bottled water.

>>2408170
Amquel is a dechlorinator that reduces O2 when used. The label reads the same as that on Prime, so people assume Prime works the same way. AFAIK there's no official statement from Seachem on whether or not this is true.

>>2408178
It says something like "up to 5 times the regular dosage amount can be used safely." It doesn't say anything about what happens if you use more than that.

>>2408579
>AFAIK there's no official statement from Seachem on whether or not this is true
this is correct.

however Seachem HAS made statements regarding their ingredients that indicate the same process is used but with a slightly different (proprietary) formula.

based on the company's statements, the same reaction occurs as in Amquel+ and Excel, both of which warn of reduced oxygen.

i'm surprised I haven't seen a picture of blender turned into a fish tank.

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>insert coin to make your floor wet

so many of the fish tanks in this thread would be great for invertebrates, can we just start a trend of sticking bugs in furniture instead.

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>>2408609
Everyone knows bugs make you look freaky to an extent. Fish are a chick magnet.

why don't they just put a little fishbowl on the betta's head
like on spongebob

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>>2408613
not even mantids?
I don't understand why slimy smelly fish are popular but tiny robots are not

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>>2407575
>>2407629

>I always felt it was more like expecting someone who builds houses for a living to know how to build to suit the occupant.

Or at least build the home to be livable for more than just the walk-through. Their reputation is that it's their designs and equipment, not even the inexperience of the owners or the rushed over-stocking, that are actively dangerous to the animals. The gumball machine tank had to be dismantled pretty well immediately because its insufficient cooling system killed the inhabitants, for example, and the skateboard ramp's fish were all dead within 48 hours thanks to hazardous decorations.

And for guys who are supposedly trying to educate themselves and the audience about fish care, their massive death rate is largely due to them flagrantly ignoring basic requirements that could be found by a quick google search. Here they are putting a whole bunch of "fish that have shark names" into a tank made out of a TV. The bala sharks alone should grow to the length of what's clearly not there to just be a transition tank, but of course they won't survive that long.
https://youtu.be/qqgUcVZxZ9E?t=74

The show has nothing to do with education. It's just a cash grab that encourages the idea that fish are disposable decorations. Everyone involved with Tanked deserve every bit of the hate they get, including Animal Planet for giving this shit 11 seasons and counting.

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>>2407892

Finding Nemo/Dory were actively anti-captivity, to the point where the idea of a crippled animal being kept in a rehabilitation facility was framed as inhumane because freedomz. And those characters are used to market shit like this.

Anyone else getting flashbacks to The Lorax shilling SUV's?

>>2407806
Ignorance, plain and simple. Like the fact that most people aren't even aware that koi, goldfish, and wild carp are all so closely related to each other that they can interbreed. Not only that, but their offspring are genetically fertile. I shit you not, goldfish/koi hybrids exist. It's the fish equivalent of a pomeranian and a great dane successfully mating and producing a litter of pups.

>>2408595

I kind want to make a good tank dedicated to these guys as they really seem to get the crappiest owners.

What would peoples recommendations be for size and fauna?

>>2407965
>Pay so and so for supplies to build big ass cage to sell to stores.
>Pay half as much for supplies to build teeny tiny ass cage that can be sold to stores for same price as big ass cage.

Hmmmmm, I do wonder why.

>>2408672

3+ gallons with more horizontal than vertical space, gentle filtration, and plants with wide leaves. They really do explore every bit of the tank, so have fun with the rest of it.

>>2408274
Get some peas, boil one or two of them, remove the shells, mix the goopy inside with just a teeny tiny pinch of garlic powder, smoosh the goop into little round bite sized discs, then feed them to your betta.

>>2408079
You do realize that the small, tight spaces for security are also obscured and not a glass with some giant mouth breather staring at them, right?

>>2408672
Like 5 gallon minimum if you're going natural planted, maybe down to 2.5 for silk.

Smaller hygrophilia and anubias are good. Bettas like to rest on leaves, so you want ones that are about fish size at different heights.

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>>2408594
Hit "frappe" and put him out of his misery.

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Another one.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/household-items-begging-you-to-turn-them-into-aquariums

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An art installation. The blenders are plugged in and the fish are real.

>>2407345
>it has a built in heater!
They couldn't even spring for a 12 cup coffee pot, huh?

>>2408634
This one is actually big enough to be useful, but as usuall it looks like they stuffed way too many fish into it.

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These fucking keychains

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>>2408942
Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me.

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>>2408944
>>2408942

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>>2408946
>>2408944
>>2408942
Good fucking lord

>>2408936
I like this a lot

For a minute, to take a photo

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>>2407977
You monster

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Sup guys

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>>2408970

>>2408936
>>2408955
If it weren't a goldfish, it would actually be fine. There's nothing inherently wrong with kitschy aquarium decor.

>>2408671
I feel like ignorance isn't even an excuse for most of these.

There is no way you can look at a shitty little garbage tank or other such thing for small animals and possibly think it's comfortable or happy in there.

You have to be callous. You have to not care about the animal's comfort. Any ignorant person can Google things, but it takes a cold person who lacks compassion to stuff these living things into terrible, unsuitable "homes".

>>2408978
>happy

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Bluetooth speaker

>>2408970
I know some people who'd love these

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>>2409042
>>2409060
Who keeps breeding these damn things?

>>2407339
>>2407897
What the fuck man

>>2409088
Explanation of whats going on here? Snake breeders are fucked up

>>2407360
They didn't think that far ahead.
They built something without taking a step back and questioning whether they should.

>>2409088
D-does it have two assholes??
: |

Top this https://youtu.be/7bUbauza6-8

Protip: you can't

>>2409102
No worries, I googled. Depressing stuff. https://exoticpetvetblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/inbreeding-in-captive-reptile-populations/

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Looks like brute splicer from bioshock 2

>>2409107
>Ferret cartwheels off table multiple times

>Monkey gets bit by parrot.
>Puts parrot next to parrot the monkey
>Monkey jumps off table.

>Monkey nearly bites off birds head

>Offers kitten to dog as a snack

All while laughing the whole time

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>>2407455
>tfw you live in a shoe

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>>2409116
>tfw you live in a crayon

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>>2409107
I-I-I don't thinks he's qualified to offer any advise

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>>2409118
>tfw you live in a washing machine

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I know this is shooped but for a second my almonds got activated as FUCK

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>>2409124

>>2409127
Please no...

>>2408678
What fish are vertical tanks for?

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>>2409127
Who thought this was okay??

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>>2409128
Yes

>>2409129
If it's actually also properly sized horizontally too, I could see angelfish and discus doing fine in taller tanks

>>2407364
>gives you a perfect view of--
let me stop you right there
you clearly don't understand refraction
even an empty one will make stuff in it look weird because of the curved surface

>>2409107
>His practice of crowding dozens of animals in a small space on-camera was allegedly born of necessity — Morrone claimed it was needed to keep the animals warm in the unheated television studio

>>2409182
THE MADMAN

>>2408978
they think that fish are so far down on the scale of things that all they need to be happy is to be alive and well-fed
you see the same thing with people that keep dogs in tiny pens their whole life, or on a very short rope

>>2409111
The comment section is defending inbreeding

>>2407960
they think it doesn't matter and they don't want to take up too much space in their house or (especially) their apartment

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>>2409144

The only real benefit I could see to a vertical > horizontal space is maybe it would create more divided territory? Like the fish sitting at the bottom here is going to rarely at best interact with the fish on the opposite end. But even then, solutions would probably be just as readily created and probably more easily maintained in a strictly horizontal space.

>>2408918
Wtf
What was the "artist" trying to convey? I'm actually curious. Was there really not another way to say it? Did they REALLY have to put live fish in there? Why. Just why

>>2407369
What the fuck iS this

>>2409107
this is so disgusting, who allowed this to happen?
hearing the puppy at the end made me physically sick, and he was just laughing through the whole thing.

>>2409221
The tortoise bit the puppy's tongue again.

>>2409107
>twenty birds are loose.
>no one will ever get them down
>Is he dead? Yeah, he's dead Jim
>nutritional prop

Seriously. What happened?

>>2408918
i remember this shit, one psycho eventually took the bait and got arrested.

>>2409127
not just why, but how?

>>2409129
mermaids

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>>2409127
>>2409134
>>2409132

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sorry did say "things to make you cringe"? I have you marked down for "things to make you cry"

>>2409221
he laughing because he was nervous and it was a way to reassure the audience everything was OK
at least, I assume so

>>2409267
>male
>pink collar

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>>2409267
Why would you post this

I-I hope this child got Beans back.

>>2409322
last I checked it was still there, at least two months after it was posted
but maybe they forgot to come take it down

this is what those animated wallpapers that were popular years ago were made for

>>2407382
Metroid Prime 4 leaked area map

>>2409129
Jellyfish are usually kept in vertical tanks.
But really they aren't made for fish. They're made for stupid people who buy them.

>>2409244
Looks like they took two cage tops and hooked them together.

>>2409192
>wordpress
What were you expecting?

>>2409457
Cylindrical vertical tanks, that is.

>>2409466
Anon....the burd is in a cage thats supposed to be on a fan

>>2407375
no not pepe

>>2409240
Why would they arrest the civilian and not the artist?

>>2409472
Maybe. I don't see a hole for the motor.

>>2407920
That would be a cool design if it was much larger

>>2408969
This reminds me of that guy who made a wheelchair for his disabled goldfish

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>>2409107
Half of the comments on the video are the same three or four faggots desperately trying to play devils advocate to get a rise or straight up defending this set up.

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>>2409267
sorry did you say "things to make you cry"? I have you marked down for "things to make you laugh"

>>2407913
Okay, this is the first one that made me literally cringe.

>>2409274
My male all black cat wears a pink collar because he's a little pussy that's scared of everything

>>2409559
You cat's a fag

>>2408915
>buzzfeed

Why am I not surprised?

>>2408946
>>2408944
>>2408942
All the other crap I can understand people getting away with it. The average person isn't going to know better and thus not report it for animal abuse.

But this shit? How? Just fucking how? Those are god damn TURTLES. Even a literal retard would know that this is sick twisted sadistic abuse.

>>2408983
That's not a real fish, that can't be a real fish. WTF species is that even? That has to be a cheap decoration.

>>2409107
Not even going to watch that shit.

>>2409121
At least those fish have more space than most of the others in this thread.

>>2409124
>almonds

Damn son, you need to go through puberty.

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>>2409631
It's a pacu, and yes it's real.
You can find them sold in fish stores when they're about the size of a tetra and then they grow huge as fuck.

One of those species of fish that shouldn't be sold in stores but dumbasses buy them because "look how cool/cute and small it is!" and ends up growing bigger than their face in a vert short amount of time. (Doesn't help that young pacus look like piranha and people think piranhas are cool, edgy, flesh eating fish that they must have)

>>2407487
>I've kept a betta in a mason jar for two months now. I don't think I've ever even seen it eat.
I wonder why faggot?

>>2407354
I do this, but with 3gallon glass beverage dispensers and giant vases. A fucking mason jar though? ugh

>>2408637
HEY DISNEY IS A PROGRESSVE LIBERAL GLOBALIST COMPANY THAT LOVES AND CARES SEE HOW WE PUT BLACK PEOPLE IN MOVIES?

>>2408944
>>2408946
The turtle ones bother me the most, jesus fuck

>>2409129
Vertical tanks are great for communities with different species of fish occupying different levels of the tank i.e. stocking your tank with topwater fish like rainbows or something or corydoras on the bottom and whatever for mid water like tetras or something.

>>2409629
Those are from China.

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>>2407550

>>2408918
"The temporary exhibit also included a nude picture of the artist with blackened eyes and a bazooka missile surrounded by tubes of lipstick."
Well then.

This thread is giving me the angeries.

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>>2407369
Lewd

>>2409206
An underage child fellating an aquarium. What does it look like?

>>2407487
Every betta I've ever had has died, and I'm not a dumbass about pets. I've kept my caique healthy for 15 years and counting.

Face it, bettas are like like flowers. They exist to look pretty in a vase for a wedding reception and then handed out as party favors or disposed of.

>>2410072
>I keep a bird so that means I know how to keep fish
dumbass

>>2410076
I think I'll buy a couple bettas and put them in vases with candles floating around for my date tonight, since you've been so rude. When she leaves I'll put them together in a mason jar and forget about them

srsly who cares about fish

>>2410085
>srsly who cares about fish
nobody does, not even fish owners.
as this thread proves nicely.

>>2410009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKNB7Eid-ek

>>2407353
What am i supposed to be looking for? Is it the fan and the wires in the bottom, or am i missing something?

>>2410072
Every living thing ever will die, no matter what.

Seriously though bettas are so fucking bottlenecked and inbred that you're pretty likely to just get one with shit genes. They're also shipped in bumpy-ass trucks in tiny containers and kept on store shelves fermenting in their own shit for god knows how long before you ever even have a chance to see them.
They're still live animals who deserve proper care, and are remarkably intelligent and interactive when they're healthy. You aren't edgy or cool for prioritizing certain animals, and you aren't good at anything just because you managed to not fuck up a parrot.

>>2410085
>my date tonight
Yeah, right. With who, your blackface birb?

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>>2410097
Nothing wrong with the concept, though the execution is pretty poor. She shouldn't have used a container with a neck, really. Honestly the cringiest thing about the picture is how fucking bloated the betta is.

>>2410072
Parrots a shit. The most you can hope for is that they don't become neurotic and pluck all their feathers.

>>2407318
I bet they charge ~$10 just for the fish in the centerpiece

>>2410118
Veiltail bettas usually go for $2-4.

>>2410120
You'll pay that if you make the centerpiece yourself. But planning a wedding is incredibly stressful and taxing. So if a company does it for you they will mark up the price of that poor ill fated betta.

>>2410099
If tapping on glass causes stress, what happens when the whole system wubs.

>>2407406
He's fucking with you, you braindead retard. Do you really think he walks around with a cockroach in his jacket which pokes its head out and absorbs the view?

>>2410275
Not the guy you're talking to....
but this is my first time on /an/, and you guys are fucking gems. This shit is pure gold.

>>2410275
I'm that guy. I really do walk around with them. If they get stressed I just put them under my hat or in the special cockroach pocket in my backpack.

>>2409742
Don't forget the bottom dwellers like shrimp and khuli loaches.

>>2409742
>>2410368
Only if the tank is also an appropriate size in terms of footprint and is stocked correctly. A 37 gallon is "TWICE AS BIG" as a 20 long, but it doesn't really give more usable swimming space.

Another big problem with tall tanks is that you have to take extra measures to ensure there's enough circulation near the bottom of the tank to keep the water well oxygenated and prevent bacterial and fungal blooms.

Another problem with tall tanks is that bottom dwelling species who like to come up to the surface to breathe air occasionally (cories, notably) have a much longer trip than they would in a shorter tank, which can be even more of a problem if they have to come up to the surface more frequently because you aren't providing extra circulation.

>>2409240
Hmm apparently it was the museum director who was arrested, but he was acquitted because they jury decided that the two fish died "instantly and humanely."

Well... fuck.

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>>2409127
is that a fucking fan?

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>>2409107
>he's dead jim

>>2409629
racist much

>>2409107
Why does this make me laugh so hard? This shit should disgust me

>>2409107
>that puppy at the end
absolutely disgusting

Also is it just me, or does that motherfucker look like Jeffrey Dahmer? Right down to the glasses.

>>2410539
Please point out the specific part of my post where I mentioned race or ethnicity even once.

>>2410595
The tortoise bit it's tounge.....again

>>2410628
The only ones you hated were the Asians and the person of color

>>2410648
Hmm maybe there's a reason.

>t. Chinese keychain peddler

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>tfw you live in eternal nightmare prison

>>2410692
Thats actually cool

>>2410696
YEAH PLENTY OF SPACE FOR GOLDFISH HUH?!?

>>2410692
Took me a long time to realize what was going on here. If it were properly stocked (both the fish and the birds), then yeah it would be pretty cool.

>>2407897
I'm amazed that the jardini didn't fuck shit up

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W E W

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Bahooka CA

>>2411005
I'm surprised liberals allowed this to happen

>>2411005
Holy fuck, this is just sad.

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>>2407456
I got you senpai

Also, look up interesting aquariums on google. They are all retard tier

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>>2408546
Like this anon

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>>2411017
And more!

>>2411017
>>2411030
I mean, at least these have space, although the desk would do a terrible job of concealing your secretary under your desk unless there was a kitschy aquarium wallpaper installed.

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>>2411064
ye I know, just responding to anons dream of a house made of fish tanks

I killed the thread :D

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>>2410914

>>2411105
A-at leest theres vent holes.

>>2411107
>vent holes
thats so you can hear the fish scream

>>2411111
>fish screaming

Someones been watching American nature documentaries I see

>click on animal youtube video
>ukulele/xylophone music starts playing

It's just such immature music. I don't find it cute, more annoying than anything

>>2409418
kek

>>2411119
>implying
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0P3rNl0FeI

>>2410648
>implying 90% of the Asian population outside of North American isn't a plague on their local environments by taking out species and selling them on the black market/cooking them up for some chink soup

>>2410918
This would be pretty nice if it was much bigger, less tall and with some bamboo in the middle.

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>>2411005
Another view

>>2411119
i just wanted the repeating numbers desu

I swear that fish owners are the most autistic niggers on this board. They shit up everything

>>2411144
respect

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>>2411145
>lurks 4chan
>dislikes autism
what, did someone on reddit tell you this is a great place to get away from autistic people?

>>2411024
That #responsabilities is so ironic

>>2408634

Have any links or resources so I can varify your facts? I've personally seen the gumb ball tank and all of the fish were alive and well. A place like that would have a special guy come to maintain the water quality and fish so I call bullshit on you.

/an/ is now a cesspool of autists and vegans who have insanely retarded standards on what animals should be kept in.

>>2411231

How long ago did you see it? I can't find any pictures of the tank that didn't come from the TV show's reveal segment, and the restaurant itself has been closed for about 6 months so it couldn't have been too recently.

>>2411007
>implying liberals care about anything remotely important
Remember when liberals were against big government and cared about the environment? Now they only care about pronouns and stuff for some reason.

>>2410648
The anon you're responding to, I quoted three different posts. Out of all three, only one post had a human in the image. The other two had no humans in them at all, of any ethnicity. And the one that did has the human in the background, thus blurred to the point that any sane person doesn't even notice their ethnicity, only the sheer fucking horror of them imprisoning a living creature inside of a fucking ornament.

So no, you are wrong. There's nothing racist about being physically repulsed by animal abuse.

>>2410914
I guess for a turtle that big you'd have to have some pretty massive feeder fish...

>>2411143
Wait, isn't this what /an/ says you're supposed to do? Lots of horizontal swimming space?

Maybe they had to put that note up because all of their guests kept asking why the tank isn't a 2 feet wide 10 feet tall tank, or something along those lines.

>>2410905
Is this Walmart?

>>2411317
Did you forget that this is a cringe thread? Even if the aquarium *is* big enough that note is the most actually cringy thing in this entire thread.

>>2411156
exactly this, were all autistic here dude

>>2409107
>puppy on the ground
>kitty on the ground
>ferret on the ground

The way he says it sounds like its a normal, common occurrence at the studio.

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>Well, the male fish complained about the women-only WW screening, so the female fish jumped over the barrier somehow and tore him to shreds.

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I'm not even going to bother blocking out their names because these people are old enough to know better than to subject their fish to icy piss hell.