Speculative biology

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Heres where you can read all of wayne barlowes expedition.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/293094072/Wayne-Barlowe-Expedition-pdf#

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Man After Man: An Anthropology of the Future is pretty wild.

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>>2402450
And it's plagiarized from a concept made by Barlowe.

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dude human parasites lmao

>>2402699
>artistic rendition of the welfare leeches and the nanny state

>>2402699
Somehow NEETs have descendants.

>>2402694
I thought man after man was going to be drawn by barlowe before he pulled out and dixon had to get another artist?

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*blocks your evolutionary path*

What about that discovery(?) channel show where everything is octopi in the future?

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>>2403138
NOT SO FAST

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>>2402361
>Whats the most likely form alien life would take?

>>2403177
>alien planets will have ponds
oh sweet summer child

>>2403177
Microscopic

>>2402361
So I've been wondering.
If life were discovered on another planet how would it be categorized into taxonomy?
Would they have to create a new organizational category above kingdom?

>>2403346
It would be a separate tree. Either that or a pile of fuck that includes everything between self replicating molecules and quarks.

>>2403142
"The Future is Wild" series on "Animal Planet"

>>2403142
https://vimeopro.com/switchint/the-future-is-wild-documentary-series/video/79270386

>>2402450
The art for this is terrible

>>2403142
The Future is Wild is pure comfiness

>>2402699
What's this from?

>>2402699
Highly evolved niggers on food stamps

>>2404896
Dougal Dixon "Man after Man"

>>2402699
They're called jews

>>2403346
There already is a category above kingdom called domain. If we were to categorize alien life according to the same tree as Earth (which might be reasonable if their genetic material was also RNA / DNA, but that has other big implications), it would probably be put into new domains. But as the other anon said, it would be wiser to classify another planet's life under a separate evolutionary tree altogether, since its earliest common ancestor presumably appeared independently from Earth life's earliest common ancestor.

>>2403853
Fuck now I gotta watch the show to see all the wacky ass animals they come up with.

I'd like to make a list of spec-bio projects whether or not they've been published. The few i know of so far are:
>Expedition (Alien Planet)
>National Geographic's Extraterrestrial
>The Future is Wild
>The New Dinosaur
>After Man
>Man After Man
>Greenworld
>Furaha
>Snaiad
>Alex Reis's post-war shrimp planet Chriirah
>Serina: A Natural History of the World of Birds
>The Speculative Dinosaur Project

>>2405266
The speculative dinosaur project is dead.

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>>2402699
The giant dude looks like Vincent d'Onfonio haha

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>the Weebkiller

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I've been sketching for the last month these creatures that would populate an speculative planet that would behave almost like Earth, but with some things modified. They all seem to look like hydras or anemones with some insect appendages to them which I guess would've evolved to better accommodate the originally water creature to land locomotion. The big ooze thing is supposed to be a gigantic multi-nuclear cell that not only provides proteins but also spreads like rabbits and mice combined and can adapt to any climate. Basically another primary food supply I guess.
The top left one was the original ideea, and it is supposed to be a carnivorous animal which would have specially evolved tentacles that would function just like the filters on whales, and when prey is caught in that barrage of tentacles, those would retract and place the prey in the designated digestion chamber.
The flying face-hugger is an adapted land anemone which evolved "webbed" legs to allow it to flap its "wings" for flight, but they would also allow land locomotion.
On the lower part there are a typical big "herbivore" (actually an proteine eater) and a predator to match its size.
In the far right corner is a sketch that would shortly illustrate the evolution of the common ancestor of those species.
If you like them, I can post some more sketches, just let me know.

>>2405729
>not calling it "Weebwhacker"

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How far had dinosaur civilization advanced when the meteor hit? Will the remains of dinosaurs with opposable thumbs ever be recovered?

>>2406211
>he's retarded enough to think that opposable thumbs are responsible for civilization

>>2406211
There are dinosaurs with opposable thumbs

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>>2402361
If the saltwater crocodile continues its distribution across the oceanic zones between southeast asia and north australia, will some evolve into species adapted for permanant aquatic life? And if so, which will they more strongly resemble, metriorhynchoids, mosasaurids, pliosaurids; etc?

>>2406606
Right, so what happened to the pyramids they built? What system of writing did they use? Will we ever know?

>>2403138
>>2403146
What are these from?

>>2406900
Nemo Ramjet's All Tomorrows

>>2406706
Crocs have lived in more or less the same environment for millions of years.
If they could evolve to be fully aquatic then I'd imagine they would have done so by now.

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>>2407438
but some like metriorhynchus did become fully aquatic

>>2406119
Great ideas man
You should post more sketches here

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>>2406119
I like it. Pls post what you got.

>>2406119
I like it too please continue

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Given the numerous times that crabs have become terrestrialized to the extent that they can be drowned, why haven't any of them developed watertight eggs to cut out the last aquatic part of their life cycle? What evolutionary pressure could force this, and why hasn't it kicked in yet?

this is basically sci-fi monsters general

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>All Tomorrows.
>A book about how man sends genetic assemblers into space to "colonize" the stars, then encounters an alien species.
>Alien species then proceeds to take man kind and genetically mutilate it into a billion different forms for their use because "how dare you fight back."
>Example of people who were turned into living bio-filters for waste products, forced to retain their consciousness as they literally ate alien shit.
All tomorrows has some crazy stuff. I like how it ends though.

>>2406979
Also check out Andy Hopp

>>2409310
The only thing I could imagine that would incentivize that would be getting cut off from any source of water.
But then again loads of bugs still have to go back to the water to reproduce anyways so I don't see why land crabs have to be singled out.

>>2403346
Just make the highest node Life.

>>2409564
What if you find organisms that don't technically count as life tho?

>>2403346
If it was us that discovered them and not the other way around then no I don't see that being necessary

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some whistlers

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>>2410815

>>2410039
By definition, they wouldn't be organisms.

Man after man sucks compared to all tomorrows. It's such a fucking boner killer in man after man how the descendants of human just show up out of no where and fuck up the earth again and we didn't even get to know how they were doing for 3 million years. All tomorrows is way better in that regard since it just picks up all the loose ends. Even though I would've liked to know what happened to all those civilisations.

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>>2410817

>>2410815
>>2410817
>>2410841
Tell us about these things.
What do they eat?
How do their evolutionary ancestors look like?
How did they get the idea to build a civilisation?
What work of fiction do these niggas originate from?

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>>2410846
These are my own design, Whistlers. I can answer a lot of questions but to save myself from going off on tangents ill just answer what you asked directly

>What do they eat?
They eat biological material similar to us, prepared meats and "plants" (though that doesnt translate to the same thing as plants for us). Their "tongue" is actually just another arm, more like a trunk, and they use it for lots of day to day activities but also they use it in eating to bring food down to their throat where they grind it up to swallow

>How do their evolutionary ancestors look like?
flat and almost turtle like, sifting through mud with their faces and at the time strong beaks to eat shelled animals. They eventually moved into trees, not swinging from branches but climbing trunks type animals. Eventually due to the planets climate changing they managed to stay alive and evolutionary relevant in warmer flatter desrt and savannah like environments, pretty similar to humans in that regard.

>How did they get the idea to build a civilisation?
well how did humans! actually though they were always very social communicative animals and it was safer for them to live together and it eventually develops into something akin to human society
>What work of fiction do these niggas originate from?
just my own worldbuilding! speculative biology is a huge interest of me and my friends

>>2410995
Please go a tangent.

>>2411490
*off on

>>2410995
I spent a fuckton of money on a hardcover copy of Man after Man and I'd spend twice that on a book filled with illustrations like this. Super cool

>>2410815
>>2410817
>>2410841
>>2410995
Pretty nice, anon, keep up the good work!

How many of you here visit the Spec Evo forums?

>>2411552
Like maybe four.
I don't.

>>2410837
Having all the human species being the result of the Qu is a massive cop-out tho.

>>2411552
The spec evo forums are dead af

>>2411566
Not all. Some are still alive.

>>2402699
Something like a primate will never become parasitic this is fucking retarded because the lifeform can kill these things, you can only be a parasite if the lifeform is unaware of your existence or cant remove it.

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>>2411676
Pretty sure it's the latter.

>>2411565
>Having all the human species being the result of the Qu

What are the Star People?

>>2411551
>>2411520
>>2411490
hey thanks guys, im super bad at monologuing without direction though so ill answer any questions, ive got a lot of sparse little random info for these guys

>>2412136
What does their currency look like?

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>>2411676
>Something like a primate will never become parasitic this is fucking retarded because the lifeform can kill these things, you can only be a parasite if the lifeform is unaware of your existence or cant remove it.

>>2407470
Since some crocs eventually evolved into birds, could you imagine a fully aquatic bird, perhaps descended from penguins?

>>2413026
>Since some crocs eventually evolved into birds
nice bait
I'm sure someone will fall for it

New article on speculative biology is published in Russia. Here it is my translation of it into English:
http://sivatherium.narod ru/articles/nel_arkh/bttrf_en.htm
(type dot between "narod" and "ru" to get a link)
I hope you'll love it.

>>2413429
Thats an interesting tale with the retvizan.
Tell me do you have the saying about the want of a nail in russia?

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>>2413429
Post some of the pictures to go along with it
Hypothetical neoichthyosaurus

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Hypothetical fish-eating neoelasmosaurus.

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Hypothetical filter-feeding neoelasmosaurus.

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Hypothetical neopliosaurus.

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Hypothetical neomosasaurus.

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Hypothetical neoazhdarchid.

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Hypothetical neohesperornis

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Hypothetical neotitanosaurid.

>>2413481
Sorry, bro, my English is not so perfect. What do you mean?

>>2414175
Y'know the old saying
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

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>>2412501

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>>2406745
they sitll heere niqqa

>>2402364
Oh sweet

>>2414241
Oh, I know a kind of short poem of the same sense in Russian. So, it's also about the "butterfly effect".
I had wrote a message to Dougal Dixon about this article. He says he loves it very much.

>>2412501
I hate being a jew on 4chan, it's infinite suffering

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>>2414854
You seem to be really into dixon.
How do you feel about C.M kosmens stuff?

>>2415084
Oh, I translated Kosemen's "All Tomorrows" and "All Yesterdays" into Russian and enjoy his Snaiad project a lot. By the way, some Russian enthusiasts (not me) translate it into Russian.

And your picture seems to be unfamiliar to me. What is it?

>>2403138
>>2403146
we truly were the qu that we made along the way

>>2405199
It's fun, great starting point for speculative biology.

>>2415318
It's just some random dino by kosmen

>>2402361
Does anyone have a decent scan of this book?

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>>2402361
the squibbon is truly the epitome of speculative evolution, prove me wrong

>>2416129
just wanted to let you know you're a retard

>>2416179
you're a big guy

>>2416160
I would fund expeditions to exterminate all squibbons if they were real.

>Tree-dwelling intelligent cephalopod predator.
>"No."

Cool concept though, that's for sure.

>>2407438
They haven't evolved to be fully aquatic because potential niches are already filled by fish and marine mammals, I'd imagine.

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>>2402361

I just has an idea

Could hummingbirds eventually evolve a bloodsucking lifestyle if there are ever mammalian or reptilian mega fauna in the future?

Basically filling the role of a very large mosquito (but still tiny ass bird) with a beak that becomes fused shut with anesthetic saliva.

>>2416739
Only if they somehow developed a taste for blood, which is unlikely.

>>2416160
BILLIONS OF FLIES

>>2414931
try tumblr faggot whoah

>>2410995
+1 for you sir, very well done

>>2416739
Woodpeckers would fill that I imagine. And I have seen video of them killing so, bloodlust checked

>>2416695
But obviously the niche currently occupied by marine mammals was unfilled before marine mammals existed so why didn't crocs fill this niche instead of mammals?
If the niche was filled, presumably by fish, then why were mammals able to take this niche over while crocs couldn't?

>>2416981
Crocs lay eggs and can not pass to vivipary.

>>2417023
Why not?
>>2407470 shows that they once did before.

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Does anyone know where i can download the book "expedition "book for free?

>>2416739

So basically the IRS?

>>2417174
Crazy spam-filter prevents me giving you a direct link to downloading. There is a group 'xenobiology/futurobiology" in Russian social network service VK.com
Search for my "Blue Chimera" page to have a link to it. And there is a link to Barlow's book.

>>2417895
>type in the thing into search
>hit enter
>nothing happens
I don't need to sign up for this slav shit do I?

>>2417966
So, search for it yourself.
Book is very good and worth reading.

>>2416739
Maybe just as a quick fix of a little protean when insects are scarce.

>>2403177

Bacteria. Protozoa.

>>2413026
crocs did not ever evolve into birds, but both clades are descended from archosaurs

>>2419636
Funny how that Clade includes two of the most successful vertebrate flying clades on earth.

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>>2417668

kek

y'all ever read All Tomorrows? It rules.

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I'd like to know if Wayne has done anything with Thype in the past couple of decades? (I know it's straight up fantasy, but it looks like it would be amazing.) Also I can never seem to find any of the art that was at the end of Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials.


>>2419682
I read it again since it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Hell of a lot better than Man After Man, but still had some concepts just as weird.

>>2419709
>I read it again since it was mentioned earlier in the thread. Hell of a lot better than Man After Man, but still had some concepts just as weird.

The best way of speculations in speculative biology is simulation of natural processes and phenomenons of evolution. So it's important even to know how genes work sometimes to predict possible changes in genome resulting in changes of appearance of hypothetical creatures/ Some creatures from the picture posted above look too weird to evolve in natural way.
Of course, in "All Tomorrows" we see an intelligent force directed the ways of evolution - at the beginning, at least.

>>2406706
What's this from? Abzu?

>>2410815
>>2410817
>>2410841
>>2410995


post your tumblr link.

>>2417174
>mega fauna
htt ps://de.scribd.com/doc/2930 94072/Wayne-Barlowe -Expedit ion-pdf#


remove the free spaces i made in the link

>>2421341
or deviantArt

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THESE are my absolute favourite aliens

can anyone guess where they are from?

>>2419636
Dinosaurs evolved from crocs, and birds either evolved from dinos or are living dinos, depending on your definition.

>>2414931
Meh, most of the "anti-Semites" here are probably adolescent edgelord Jews.

>>2422523
Pacific rim

>>2422575
Yeah, I'm aware of that, it's just that jew hatred is a dead meme

>>2422574
>Dinosaurs evolved from crocs
No, the shared a common ancestor.

>>2405266
The Planiverse by AK Dewdney is a well thought out 2D universe that features several 2D creatures.

>>2422523
>file name
does it actually have anything to do with the main spore fiction canon? that would be fuckin hard to make in spore

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>>2415318
Kosemen is pretty good...

>>2423449
No i just add that tag to every cool alien that I want to recreate in spore

And yes it is possible to make that precursor, will post later

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Cant find my Spore precursor right now, but i also made the Qu
>>2423449 >>2403138

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>>2423449
made it in blue

>>2403346
I think a lot about this as well.

I believe technology should be the 7th kingdom

>>2410039
Are you thinking those living crystals from stellaris?

im still new to /an/, when will this thread 404?

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>>2423449
Technically you can make anything in Spore.

>>2424127
I miss spore

I hope “thrive“ will be finished at some point

>>2402361
Ok like, a worm ok normal and wormy but then pow bang
>Worm opens it's body and reveals it's just one big mouth

Or how about this one

It's a normal aphid, normal in every way but, kapow jipang
>The aphid is 10ft tall

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I like to think anything kaju size ends up needing to use fiber optic cables as nerves. Even at our size it takes longer for electricity to travel from your toes than your hands, and at those sized the creatures would need any amount of speed they could get.

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How come there are no known freshwater squid/octopus?

Freshwater molluscs do exist, but as snails and mussels, mostly.

>>2425632
I'd imagine that kaiju sized creatures would only evolve on moon sized planets.

>>2423985
Never.

>>2423549
>>2423551
>>2424127
how do I get this game to run on windows 10?

>>2405266

what about the Squamozoic?

>>2419662

there's a reason archosaurs means 'ruling reptiles'

>>2422574

are you fucking retarded

>>2410995

why do i want to fuck it

>>2416981

they did fill this niche, have you never heard of ocean going mesozoic suchians? fucking hell

>>2403346
Planets are not physical objects you can land on.
Water never curves around an object.
Research Flat Earth!

>>2426768
>ocean going mesozoic suchians
Yes I have especially since I posted one in this thread >>2407470
We're not talking about mesozoic crocs but modern day post K-T extinction crocs who have had plenty of opportunity to reclaim the oceans like their ancestors but haven't done so.
I imagine this is no accident and that they didn't do it because they can't anymore.

>>2427119
Ichtyosaurs, Mosasaurs, early Whales

>>2427119
>crocs who have had plenty of opportunity to reclaim the oceans like their ancestors but haven't done so.
Because the niche is occupied. Crocs that are adapted to to freshwater/brackish environments can't swim out to sea and compete with large marine predators like whales who have dominated their biome for millennia. Should some mass extinction event take out whales and other large marine predators then crocs could potentially migrate to sea and evolve to become fully aquatic. The saltwater crocodile is a good contestant for this line of speculative evolution.

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Y'all niggas need to check out the Codex Seraphinianus

>>2427291
>Codex Seraphinianus
why?

>>2427299
Just read it. Very interesting.

>>2427304
I can't read elf

>>2411683
Wtf is that?

For an envrionmental science class in high school we had to create an ecosystem for a made-up enviroment/planet/whatever. Basically just make up a bunch of species and say how they relate.

The route I went was all the species relied on solar power as energy. Birds flew around the planet absorbing sunlight, staying in constant daylight. Plants absorbed it and some species would have "wires" connecting all the plants together to share energy, basically like telephone lines. ""Herbivores"" would simply bite into plants and absorb their electricity.

It was pretty cool, I wish I still had the list + pictures.

>>2427291
I like the U-boat shark

>>2427482
You should read Xenocide. Half the plot of the series revolves around freaky alien ecosystems. The other half is metaphysics.

>>2427224
>>2427275
There was a 26 million year gap after the K-T extinction when the niche held by whales, ichtyosaurs and mosasaurs went unfilled and yet crocs didn't fill in the gap even though they had plenty of opportunity to.
That and I dispute that the niche already being filled is a good explanation for not doing it because metriorhynchus was a contemporary to both mosasaurs and ichtyosaurs.
So if modern crocs can't move into an aquatic niche because of whales then why were mosasurs and ichtyosaurs no problem for them in the jurassic to the cretaceous?
I especially dispute that the mass extinction of whales would allow crocs to fill their niche because as I've pointed out above the K-T extinction left that spot unfilled for 26 million years before whales took it and yet crocs didn't move into it.

>>2427291

i have that. i spent way too much money on it.

>>2402450

I read this book over one caffeine-riddled night. All of the species are products of human genetic engineering and their resulting evolutions. This book was really fucking out there and not very scientifically sound.

>>2412136
amphibians or reptiles?

>>2413125
Early crocs like Saltoposuchus were really not that different from contemporary Ornithodirans like Scleromochlus.

>>2428100
Even better bait

>>2427806
Crocs are stoopid and dumb haha

Should i dump my small folder of cool speculative aliens?

>>2402364
The mockumentary based off it was more realistic in my opinion.

>>2403346
Probably. It might require naming based of another language such as Greek instead of Latin, too.

>>2423639
I think he means "living" things such as a virus. But in a fictional sense, yes that

>>2410826
meaning that everything that didn't look alive if we refer to our standar of what is life. everything could be alive in another way.

>>2428981
>It might require naming based of another language such as Greek instead of Latin, too.

why would you do that

>>2429212
I was more thinking of nanomachines

>>2402364
Thanks a bunch anon!
I really liked the bock, but the plow animals felt a little farfetched to me.
I wonder what the Yma look like.

obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzPEpHYtXQ

>>2431085
A E S T H E T I C S

>>2431085
The future is wild is better

>>2431031
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/3/32/Wayne_Barlowe_Yma_Expedition_Leader.jpg/revision/latest/thumbnail-down/width/340/height/446?cb=20130406155541

From alien species wiki, but I don't know where they got it from

>>2432051

it's in his art book 'The Alien Life of Wayne Barlowe' on the page where he talks about Expedition

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Is this book available online somewhere? Considering buying it but it costs a fortune.

>>2432515
Chances are not yet

>>2411676
It's a symbiotic relationship according to the book, the fat blob creature evolved from a tundra-dwelling hominid and the trait to store excess fat was never bred out because the forest dwellers had formed a parasitic relationship with them. So the creature depends on them to prevent it from getting too fat and overheating.

>>2416739
Almost all tick birds have digestive systems designed to consume blood, this is because ticks are low nutrition and they get more from eating engorged ticks than non-engorged ticks.
Tick birds have been known to peel off scabs to consume blood, preferring it to gathering ticks.

If there is any kind of bird that would go full blood sucking parasite it would be them, the problem of course is getting the beak and the selective pressures to become one.

>>2416981
Marine Reptiles were already there before marine mammals.

>>2433503
Marine reptiles went extinct long before marine mammals came on the scene.

>>2432515
I remember buying that when it first came out. If I can find a good scanner, I'll upload it somewhere

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DAE humanoid Troodon?

>>2435097
No
http://img04.deviantart.net/3a61/i/2008/100/1/2/venatosapiens_erectus_by_ashere.jpg

>>2423154
honestly its become so cringy
Everytime i see some edgy 12 year old post a hitler meme im tempted to call an admin to remove the underage user

>>2404599
Damn staight. The Discovery Kids series was comfy too, especially the music.

>>2402361
It's hard to say. Given our level of technology and the technology that would have to exist to go intellar or even reliable interplanetary we could probably look like what ever we want?
I remember watching an episode of X Files where some Stephen Hawkings type guy said we are misguided in thinking organic life would travel the stars before robotic life would.
I feel given the direction plastic surgery is going, being able to print flesh just around the corner, it's incredibly short sighted to assume mundane robotics wouldn't be usurped by some sort of cyborganics.
>tl;dr I can already buy a new face aliens could buy any body they wanted. Could be a wolf man one day and a gray alien the next.

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>>2435076
Oh god please do, I'll suck your dick.

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>mfw man after man's illustrations
I've stayed unfazed by triple-digit number of horror movies for 15 years and a meme book got me. Like the author tried to make them as uncanny as possible.

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>>2436468

>>2414278
DONT TRY TO APPROPRIATE MY CULTURE WHITE LIZARD BOI

>>2411683
>these aren't my glasses

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Elder Things remain my favorite hypothetical alien from fiction.

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>>2436835
Speculative biology falls to the wayside where H.P. Lovecraft is concerned. Most of his creatures are made of ethereal matter akin to the luminous aether that can become solid when 'the stars are right', otherwise they sleep in alternate dimensions. The Elder Things at least seem to be organic in origin but they moved though the universe without spacecraft by seemingly riding waves in the aether and other silly things.

Has anyone looked at the work of Ben Mauro? He's a graphic designer who's worked on a ton of films and made quite a few cool alien designs. He also dabbles in speculative biology though he lets the work speak for itself without a lot of explication.

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>>2437054
Personally, I appreciate the ambiguity in the description of miraculous abilities from the perspective of a 1920's man. You can easily imagine that these aliens possess a biology, knowledge, or technology that is difficult, if not impossible, for us to comprehend.

>>2436468
Nah, the artist ripped off the idea from a better artist.

>>2406979
jesus fucking christ i just read the whole thing. what a fucking ride. fuck the Qu. head-cannon they finally achieved inter dimensional travel and A S C E N D E D.

New Pitch:

Could tiny (< 1 Inch) parasitic fish evolve to live inside the blood vessels of whales and some large sharks?

A blue whale's aorta is 6ft across.

>>2437853
I don't think fish possess the biology to be able to transition to such a massively different habitat. I'm fairly certain vertibrates cannot become endoparasites, in-general.

>>2436468
I fucking loved Man After Man. so delightfully disturbing. I don't even know how to describe it.

>>2426650
Gog version runs on windows 10. Drm free too.

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>>2437922
It is so incomprehensibly 'Man After Man'.

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>>2402450
This one scares me the most. It looks like an Iranian.

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This one too

>>2437862

Explain. There's plenty of oxygen and nutrients in whale blood.

>>2431085
My ally of African ancestry

>>2437054
>elder ones
Well you have to think, at one point they LOST the ability to traverse space, wouldn't they be able to just fly away?
What if the engravings the guys were reading were just a representation of space travel and not literally flapping wings through space

>>2438098
iranians are not even black

>>2438756
okay

>>2409336
>Alien species then proceeds to take man kind and genetically mutilate it into a billion different forms for their use because "how dare you fight back."
Actually the aliens just considered sentience an abomination. But if you fought back the punishment was bigger.

>>2438702
Blood plasma is usually way too saline for macroorganisms to be able to survive within it. Such a fish would also need to be able to return to the ocean at some stage of their lives in order to spread to new hosts.

>>2419662
>two of the most succesful

You could've just said two of the only flying vertebrate clades.

>>2431940
TFIW is filled with dumb shit unfortunately.

>bats replace birds as flying diurnal predators in north america, despite birds still existing perfectly fine and even taking back the niche further into the future
>mammals are all but extinct for literally 0 reason other than shock value
>the uakari descendants have unreasonably humanlike faces, even for monkeys
>fish and coral are somehow completely extinct (except for sharks and fucking flying fish) despite having survived every mass extinction in Earth's history
>flying fish in general becoming fully aerial when birds still exist
>turtles becoming not only megafauna, but the largest terrestrial animals ever for literally no reason other than "avoiding predators" of which literally none are shown, and yet they still have a shell despite their absurd size making them immune to predation anyways

I'm sure there's other silly things that I've forgotten.

>>2439363

>Blood plasma is usually way too saline for macroorganisms to be able to survive within it. Such a fish would also need to be able to return to the ocean at some stage of their lives in order to spread to new hosts.

It may be challenging for a vertebrate but blood vessels are home to more species of planarians than I dare count.

>Such a fish would also need to be able to return to the ocean at some stage of their lives in order to spread to new hosts.

Couldn't they just migrate to the host's skin? Or have the eggs accumulate in the kidneys where they're expelled in the host's urine, where they are later eaten by krill which are then themselves eaten by another whale?

>>2439711
>turtles becoming not only megafauna
What would prevent turtles from becoming megafauna?

>>2440119
They have a shell for a reason.

>>2440133
Sprawled legs also. To sustain large body weight column-like legs llike elephant's ones are needed. Dinosaurs had it.

>>2440133
Yes and?

>>2440659
The shell protects them from predators, so they have no reason to become so absurdly massive.

What type of life would dominate long time isolated islands during the cretaceous period?
Would it be birds like today or would it be flightless pterosaurs or something else?

>>2440948
It depends on island size. Smaller islands having smaller amount of food sources are dominated by large cold-blooded forms like reptiles. They grow large due to accumulation of organic matter over the long time. And large truly isolated islands (of non-continental origin mostly) can be inhabited by flightless birds or pterosaurs, if you like. These warm-blooded creatures must find enough food to sustain their population at the island.

>>2406254
I mean. Yeah. It's not the only cause but being able to accurately and with much dexterity manipulate objects is very helpful.

>>2439711
>fully arboreal squids
>giant squids that walk around on land

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>>2403138
>star people were "vertically challenged"
Even in the vast nothingness of space, they never learn.

>>2440934
Is protection from predators really the only reason to get so big?

>>2441825
getting big means more food eaten, more waste shitten, and longer to reproduce, big is bad.

>>2403138
I discovered this book in this thread. Read it all in a day (Though it wasn't hard). Heavy shit.

>>2441192
Whats the problem?

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>>2442848

>>2402361
I love barlowe as an artist but his speculative biology ideas / illustrations are fucking retarded

>>2427291
it's not speculative biology, it's surrealism

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>>2416739
>>2433502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxbVPymFA54

>>2443526
Is there any sci-fi novels that take long distant future as a setting? Like +50,000 years, +50 millions...

>>2432515
Its good

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You guys might like this.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/37514-C-O-W-Gallery-of-all-activity-winners!/page24

Unfortunately it's old and dead, and many of the older entries have been wiped from the threads I lost my personal archive, but they must be on the internet somewhere.

>>2402361
I remember ancient ayylmaos said that intelligent life would inherently develop bipedal locomotion.

>>2444656
Stephen Baxter "Evolution" - 30 MY and 500 MY in the future

>>2444862
>Stephen Baxter "Evolution"
Thanks anon.

>>2437055
Note that those cone things are literally pure earth-organisms.

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>>2438098
Looks strayan to me

>>2437055
>>2444957
This. If you want to know what the actual Yithians look like (or rather what they don't look like) read Beyond the Wall of Sleep.

>>2410995
reminds me of a jay Naylor pic about a tentacle rape monster

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>>2409336
>when you have the pdf of this but 4chan refuses to let you upload it
what did I ever do to offend you 4chan gods?

>>2445010
You can't upload pdfs to /an/

>>2445010
Upload it without comment to the PDF general on /tg/ and link it.
It shouldn't bother them.

>>2416758
LIT UP THE WORLD AS I FELL ASLEEP

>>2445262
What happened to /rs/? Did it get renamed or merged?

>>2445182
I did wonder why I've never seen a PDF posted anywhere except tg but I just thought it was because theyre the only chaps to use them, sounds like a silly rule, imagine how much better other boards could be with pdfs, lit, his, etc

>>2409336
Reminds me a lot of Man after Man

>>2440948

check out european dinosaurs from 80 until 65 million years ago, Europe was like a giant isolated island group back then with a lot of smaller versions of animals from early late Cretaceous asia, north africa and even late jurassic/Early Cretaceous survivors from europe and america.
like highly primitive dromeosaurids, troodontids, titanosaurs, abelisaurids, possible allosauroids, diplodocids and primitive ceratopsians, primitive hadrosaurs and late surviving iguanodontids, the earliest parrots, ducks and songbirds
and yes, gigantic pterosaurs like hatzegopteryx

>>2445626
I actually saw something like this on Wikipedia after I asked. But would this be a Madagascar or a New Zealand? I was mostly curious about what could cross the sea to new land and not only things that could survive by isolation.
Maybe this is so easy to answer that it doesn't really belong here and should rather be done in a dinosaur thread perhaps

>>2412501
tell that to my parents

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Just noticed this thread was up, thanks for all the posts I absolutely love this kind of shit. It fascinates me in this weird sort of disgust/wonder kind of way that I find hard to describe. Rediscovered some artists I'd forgotten about as well.

>>2445613
PDFs on lit and his would just be used to pirate books.

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Here's a crap drawing of idea I had. It's a kind of insect where the females have evolved to essentially turn their abdomen into a fruit. Their distant ancestors had developed exceptionally tough eggs for one reason or another, incidentally tough enough that they could survive a quick trip through a bird's digestive tract. Eggs could then spread like seeds do (the females are flightless, and maybe the males are too, not sure yet). Combined with increased egg gestation time to thicken the shell, selective pressures favored females that sacrificed their lives via bird predation, which could be enhanced by mimicking a ripe fruit. The female has piercing/sucking mouthparts to feed on tree fluids to grow her "fruit," which also serves to improve the taste mimicry for the birds.

>>2402361
I like to imagine some ancient mammals might have been hemoparasites to the dinosaurs

>>2445955
Fruitbutt bug? Seems legit

>>2445971
When you consider mammals like vampire bats it seems plausible.

>>2445890
I don't see the problem.

#bringLithursdayback!

>>2403142
>octopi

kys

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>>2432515
Fuck it I bought one, wallet be damned. I think I'll scan the book for you schmucks once I get my hands on it.

>>2445955
I could see wasps doing that. There are many species of parasitic wasps, so I imagine if any insect would have a well adapted way of keeping their eggs alive in another animal it'd be them.

>>2422522
the artist is jayrocking.tumblr.com

>>2447409
>There's nothing here.

>>2432515
2005 was the best year of my life.

>>2447606
jayrockin.tumblr.com

>>2428980
It was also goofy as all hell

Would it be possible for a land mammal larger than paraceratherium to evolve?

>>2448222
Maybe. In terms of torso size, Paraceratherium is similar in size to sauropods, but without the extensive skeletal pneumatization and flow-through lungs, it ends up without a super long neck and tail and is more of an outlier among mammals than a common bauplan.

There's more than that to it, here's a talk about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HqiOrZEyMQ

>>2448230
I found the bit about grazers interesting.
Why are almost all grazers mammals?
What would it take for say an avian grazer to come about?

>>2448687
Probably a grassland without mammalian predators. Islands are usually mountainous, so it can be a bit hard to find the right situation. Hawaii seems to have come the closest, where the main herbivores ended up being ducks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa-nalo

>>2414931
I just hate on Jews for their passive aggressive yet hostile takeover of the west trying to turn it and its people into the Middle East presumably because they're dumber consumers than upper middle class with jobs. I could give less of a fuck about the layman Jew, my dude. We could chill.

>>2436835
That's my favorite depiction of Elder Things I've seen

>>2448954
I don't think thats good enough.
The bird you linked is in no way a grazer and besides, new zealand has been much more dominated by birds for much longer with large grasslands and yet still no avian grazers came about.

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So what exactly are these supposed to be?

Apparently they're 300 foot prehistoric arthropods (?) that we never knew existed until a foreign mining company accidentally woke a couple from hibernation.

>>2449911
MUTOs defy classification. While the movie doesn't necessarily imply it, I think it is obvious they have an evolutionary lineage not of this Earth.

>>2449911

>So what exactly are these supposed to be?

Giant Turks

Since Future is Wild and Alien Planet were made in 2002 and 2005, will a speculative evolution documentary or series be made in the modern era??!
The CGI in those series are awful, which contrasts with the practical effects in Walking With Dinosaurs, which was made in 1999 and still looks great.
Imagine a speculative evolution documentary series made with practical effects and a big budget??! That would be amazing

>>2449955
Animal Planet/Discovery channel will never make another series like those again.They are to busy making the little money that comes from reality tv shows. Fucking Animal Planet had a fucking show on tree-house building. Not a single fucking animal on that show!!!

>>2449946
>overly aggressive
>you cant understand a single thing they say
>Came to your town just to reproduce

Seems legit

Which Pinniped group do you think would be the first to go fully aquatic.

>>2449955
Oh, there is a great bunch of Spec Evo projects in net now. Maybe, anytime any producers will make a film based upon any of these projects. I hope so.

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>>2441148
>Giant, super-pure bismuth crystal shoreline

>>2438098
kek

>>2402450
>Man After Man
Sounds like my rump after a Saturday night in the stalls at Woody's

>>2450412
I really doubt another specbio doc will ever air on TV.
Maybe a kikestarter will be able to make something happen.

>>2450850

Hate to piss on your parade, but that's carborundum, not Bismuth...

>>2402699
>mudshark with her kids

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>mfw the fucking waterniggers survive at the end

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>>2451021

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>>2449911
In my headcanon they are placoderm descendants.

>>2449955
I wish Expedition would get a faithful adaptation with big budget movie effects, or at least a VR game.

>>2451223
alien planet isn't bad, the CGI is dated but since it *is* supposed to be alien it is tolerable

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AI fucking shits

I made a new thread >>2452402