/aq/ Aquarium General

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>>2392947

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Planting your tank is so easy, you just drop plants in and "boom"? it's ready.
Don't see how you get troubles with that ^)

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>tfw never going to belong in aquariums

Is there anywhere in the Amazon basin that tetras, corys, and angels live together naturally?

>>2399408
What is that grassy stuff?

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>>2399505
>he doesnt know

>>2399531
>dwarf hairgrass
Bite my cock, faggot.

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This was my water before Purigen.

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>>2399587
This is about 24 hours later.

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>>2399588
This is about 48 hours later. I also did a 20% water change yesterday (11 gallons). This pic was taken with a different camera than the first two.

>>2399589
That looks a lot better. Does it work for getting rid of hair algae?

>>2399593
I don't think so because it goes into whatever the last part for your filter system is. Ghost shrimp or mollies might work to control it though.

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What kind of fish is this?

>>2399608
Dwarf gourami maybe?

>>2399612
Walmart said it was a "blue paradise gourami", but searching that on google is making it really difficult to find info and a proper caresheet

>>2399608
the better question is why you're keeping it in a bowl

>>2399618
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_fish

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>>2399623

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>>2399284
/aq/, please help. I have gone through 5 fucking heaters in the past month. I just took my 300w topfin back after it got water inside of it, and the cashier was very surprised and said that they never get returns on them. I got an aqueon heater anyway after hearing good things about it. So, I just turned on my aqueon heater and it's been about 5 minutes. It ALREADY has water inside of it. I didn't even have the top of it submerged. The water only just barely touched the minimum water line. How the fuck did this happen? The same thing happened to the topfin heater. And the heater before that.

>>2399618
>>2399608
>walmart
>bowl
Don't stress too much. It'll be dead very, very soon.

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no store around me has chili rasboras so I got 7 Phoenix rasboras instead. They're pretty much the same fish, and I'm pretty sure what I bought the other day weren't chilis anyway.

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>>2399645
Also got a peacock gudgeon and 4 pygmy corys. But I'm not confident that it's the same type of dwarf Cory as the original that I got. Will they still hang out together? Or are corys super picky about the kind of fish the school with?

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>>2399653
And I was having a problem where the 3 sparkling gouramis had each picked a cave (left side, middle, and right side of aquarium) and we're being super territorial towards the Scarlett badi. Poor little guy was being chased by the 3 gouramis from one end of the aquarium to the other nonstop, so I rearranged the hardscape and made a bunch of caves. Hopefully it's enough for the 3 sparklings, the badi, and the peacock gudgeon. If not I'll take two of those gouramis back and get females like i asked for originally.

Excuse the murky water, had to move a lot of sand and it kind of made a mess. Vacuumed up what I could, now waiting for things to settle so I can vacuum it again.

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>>2399674
BTW, what is a good affordable light fixture that has a day/night cycle feature? Something with more than just white lights, but won't break the bank. I've been using a ilumi bulb that was gifted to me along with 2 LED bulbs, but the lighting is uneven and the ilumi app is hot garbage and a pain to use.
It would go on a 20g long.

>>2399623
>>2399636
It's temporary you faggots

I was going to return it, but they didn't tell me their return policy was only on dead fish, not live. So now I need to know for sure how big it will get so I can prep.
>>2399626
Thank you anon.

How common are the albinoes? Because every one of theirs was this same color.

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>>2399688
Was looking into the diet for this guy and bought some frozen daphnia. But he wouldn't take it. And the other fish that stay at the bottom are faster. Would he be okay just living off snail eggs and tiny snails or do I need to start a live culture of something and shove a pippet down his throat? I tried the swirling thing to make the daphnia seem alive but he saw right through that.

>>2399696
I got no clue anon, my only main experience so far has been bettas and google. I

>>2399688
>How common are the albinoes?
they get more color as they get older
>>2399696
most likely he eats flakes. If he doesn't he will soon. Unless you've got a large predator, flakes or pellets are the way to go.

>>2399635
Are u letting it soak for 24hrs before turning them on ? Seems like operator error if you have been through 5 in a month desu

>>2399284
I work in an independent aquatics store that sells coldwater, pond, tropical and marine fish.

Ask me anything

>>2399725
I let it sit in the tank for a half hour, just like the instructions told me to. Even if I DID fuck it up though, I don't understand how the hell there's water in it if I haven't even submerged it. The glass isn't broken and it's submerged just barely to the line.

>>2399725
>Are u letting it soak for 24hrs before turning them on ?
this actually made me laugh out loud

>>2399742
the water is in there from moisture in the air. It's extremely common.

the reason the store hasn't gotten any returns before is because we've all seen it so many times we don't care. Yes, your $23 heater has condensation in it. Yes, that means the seal was bad at some point. Yes, that means it'll break some months or years from now and we'll have to buy another $23 heater. It's not a big deal.

it's 23 fucking dollars, barely even worth driving to the store to exchange.

>>2399635
Go for the pro series heater by aqueon. Never had a problem.

>>2399683
The finnex 24/7 is a decent one. Cycles through morning and night. Doesn't even go completely off though. Darkest it gets is a very very dim blue. Like really dim. I've heard the 24/7 SE is better. There's also a Chinese rip off version on eBay that does the same thing and it's like $50 for 48 inch version.

>>2399746
What are you talking about? I've never seen this happen. Maybe you're just use to bad faulty products?

>>2399776
>I've never seen this happen
you won't if you live in a dry climate or your house is warm.

do you guys really not know how atmospheric humidity and condensation works?

>>2399772
how shoddy do you think the chinese ripoff is? do you have any experience with chinese light? are they worth it?

>>2399794
Not that guy but I've had good experiences with chinese knockoffs. However, blue lights ended up being not as cool as I thought it'd be. Looks like night to me, but it's practically daytime for unwanted algae.

I end up just dimming the whole thing instead of switching to a blue "nighttime" mode.

>>2399799
any particular Chinese knock off model you'd recommend? My main thing is I want one with good day/night cycle colors and light distribution. I'm not too concerned about the blue night light. I've stopped using a nightlight, the fish seem to hate it.

>>2399746
>it's 23 fucking dollars, barely even worth driving to the store to exchange.
/aq/ peasants complain about buying test strips (let alone test kits), so of course they'll complain about their destitute-tier heaters.
>>2399766
>Go for the pro series heater by aqueon.
This is definitely worth the extra few bucks. Just one fewer broken heater will make up the difference.

>>2399800
I've had pretty good experiences with Green Element, especially the 3W LED versions for high light plant requirements, but with all the bells and whistles you're looking for they can get pretty expensive too. Certain models have an external plug-in with the stuff you're looking for but it's an extra $15+ on top of what you're already paying.

>>2399803
>paying for test kit
>not letting LFS do it for free
pleb

>>2399803
>of course they'll complain about their destitute-tier heaters.
I've never found a heater that's worth paying extra for. So I buy 2 cheap heaters and run them both at the same time. That way I've got a backup if one dies.

I don't trust bimetallic thermostats though. So I spent all of $12 on a digital temperature controller.

>>2399807
thanks for the info man. I'll look into the different green element models

>>2399808
>running to the store every time you want to test absolutely anything just to save $30 for a kit that will last years
Holy shit are you that poor? You might want to reconsider owning any pets at all.

It would also cost more in gasoline or public transit in the long run anyway. The nitrate test is good for 90 tests. Have fun with the 90 trips to the LFS.

>>2399809
>I've never found a heater that's worth paying extra for. So I buy 2 cheap heaters and run them both at the same time. That way I've got a backup if one dies.
>I don't trust bimetallic thermostats though. So I spent all of $12 on a digital temperature controller.
The big problem I've seen is that when they break, they don't simply not heat your tank, which would be totally fine unless you don't heat your house, but that they have a good chance of overheating your tank. Broken thermostat = never ending heat cycle = fish dead by the time you get home from work. If it were always the case that it just shorts out and doesn't do anything, the fish could survive in slightly chillier waters for days.

>>2399808
If I'm already going o the LFS I might take a sample with me, but definitely invest in a API master kit. It's 100% worth it. You can test any time, retest if you think you fucked it up, and react quicker.

>>2399809
I can understand your point of view, but I disagree on going cheap, because as most things, you get what you pay for. Aqueon Pros have been godsends for me though. If you have a tank over 50g though, you should be running 2 heaters on opposite ends anyway.

>>2399818
>they have a good chance of overheating your tank.
that's what the controller is for. It shuts them off at a programmed temp. So I don't care if they get stuck on, that's how I run them.

>>2399813
$30 saved is $30 earned
there is 2 LFS within 2 miles of my house

>>2399821
i use my pool test kit to check chlorine and pH

>>2399864

>2 LFS within 2 miles of my house

Congrats on being a rare exception

>>2399864
>>2399873
1) Only if your time is worth nothing. The time it takes you to get to your car and start it up, I'm already waiting for test results.
2) Even if you got 40 miles/gallon and gasoline was $3/gal, at 4 miles/trip you're looking at 10 trips a gallon, or 9 gallons for 90 trips, or $27 for 90 tests, which only covers the worst case scenario of nitrate tests (pH goes for 250, nitrite for 180). And good luck getting 40 miles/gallon on short range trips unless you've got an electric or hybrid car.

So no, again, short term thinking. You're still not "saving." At best you're breaking even while losing time.

>>2399833
>that's what the controller is for. It shuts them off at a programmed temp. So I don't care if they get stuck on, that's how I run them.
Ah nice.

>>2399893
stfu nerd
if i am already going to the fish shop to buy fish, who gives a fuck?

>>2399897
>gets told he's dumb for not investing in a water test kit, something every hobbyist should have.
>stfu nerd.
/aq/ : Where good advice goes to die.

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So I have a DIY C02 system on my 40g. I'm not really sure I'm getting any results yet. How long should I wait to see if it's worth my time to make mash and let it pump into my tank?

>>2399929
I could point out that unless your fish cost more than a test kit it's cheaper to replace the fish every now and then rather than test water.

I think water testing is a good habit to get into though. Eventually /aq/ might buy fish that cost more than test strips. Not from what I've seen, but you never know.

>>2399944
Cost of the fish shouldn't really matter in the end. Sure, throwing away a dead platy because I didn't control ammonia levels is cheaper then a $30 investment. However learning to perform a water test with that kit, and doing it on my cheap fish is what builds the skill and expertise to keep those expensive fish.

It should be about building experience and talent to keeping complex fish. It's the reason I perform bi-weekly water tests. I want to own something big in a year or so down the road.

>>2399952
>It should be about building experience and talent to keeping complex fish.
I agree to some extent. It's probably cheaper and better in the long run to be able to gauge water quality based on fish behavior and algae growth and such. And really everyone should be in the habit of changing water regularly anyways, which makes testing anything but ammonia mostly unnecessary.

What do you want to keep?

>>2399944
>I could point out that unless your fish cost more than a test kit it's cheaper to replace the fish every now and then rather than test water.
That's still also short term thinking. Replacing ONE platy is cheaper than a test kit. Replacing many cheap fish is not.

Doesn't matter how you cut it. Investing in a test kit always wins economically, in addition to other (totally valid) reasons.

And like I mentioned with heaters, if you're so poor that you're trying to penny pinch on a ~$25 kit, you should rethink having any pets at all.

In the world of pet keeping, one item that lasts at least a year, likely two or more, for a mere $25 is a fucking steal.

>>2399959
>which makes testing anything but ammonia mostly unnecessary.
If by ammonia you mean nitrate.

Your bio filter should be mature enough after some months that you don't worry about it and it should be able to cope with any reasonable variations.

>>2399929
>/aq/ : Where good advice goes to die.
That's okay. That idiot is wasting both time and money while thinking he's saving money. lol

>>2399965
>ONE platy is cheaper than a test kit. Replacing many cheap fish is not.
test kits are an ongoing expense, and over time they don't save you money unless you're killing off an entire tank every month or two.
>if you're so poor that you're trying to penny pinch on a ~$25 kit, you should rethink having any pets at all.
I agree but /aq/ gets pissed when I say it.
>>2399969
>If by ammonia you mean nitrate.
that's what water changes are for. If you're changing water and there's no nitrate in your replacement water there's no real reason to test it.

testing ammonia is useful because even mature biofilters can die, and ammonia is far more toxic than nitrate. I don't test for it personally, but only because in saltwater you'll know immediately if you've got ammonia. Everything dies.

>>2399810
Green element are extremely high par. Co2 will be a must.

>>2399893
>not making people come to you to buy fish
>using test

>>2399929
ya know, im really sorrry. i was drunk and feeling onrey. if it makes you feel better one of those lfs is petsmart.

>>2400011
>was
still, but i love u anon. now post that phat ass tank of yours; no cover.

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what new plants should I get?

>>2400024
Do you have filter and powerhead?

>>2400025
hob filter/plant box on left and an internal filter on right side.

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>>2400024
things look a mess, but at least now there are plenty of hideouts for everyone. The poor badi would get stalked everytime he'd come out for food, but i havent seen any bullying since i moved stuff around.

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>>2400035
the jerk in question. Its weird, he only goes for the badi. he leaves the gudgeon, rasboras, shrimp, and cory alone.

>>2400032
Are you just using normal cellphone to capture? Your fish must be chill!

>>2400037
>whats this black shit?
>not eating that bs
Your tank is slick as hell

>>2400039
yeah just my shit cellphone camera. They are for the most part. the dwarf gourami was the exception. He was a problem child so he had to go.
>>2400040
Thanks! the recent algae outbreak really fucked my shit up though. a lot of plants died and i cant tell where the java moss begins and the algae ends.

>>2400042
It kinda looks like the algae is part of the moss, maybe? Still looks great! Purposeful and, perhaps, zen-like.
Maybe some dwarf hairgrass in the middle of your tank. Or something else low so it doesn't overpower the rest of your tank. Maybe even a marimo ball.

>>2400032
>hob
its not hof

>>2400044
yeah i was thinking a carpeting plant would be nice, but i kind of want to wait until i have better lighting and until all the algae is gone. I need some mid/ foreground plants so i can move all those big ugly brown plants( always forget what that stuff is called) to the back. I had some nice red leaf plants but the algae killed them all...

>>2400051
Just put a couple of juvenile angels in there; they eat algae. At least, thats what they did to my tank. And if you get them young enough, they might not eat your other fish by the time they get big enough to need a different tank.

>>2400054
i'd like to avoid shuffling fish around if i can. I did get a gang of amano though. hopefully that helps

>>2400055
Yeah if you dont have any shrimp in that tank, you need some! It does take some time for angels to get really big though.

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Hey anons, i saw something intriguing at my faculty building's saltwater aquarium. They added a new inhabitant to it today, this small green fish in the picture, and it's.. tilted. It's always angled a bit to the right, never swimming fully upright. Is this normal for this type of fish, or some kind of issue?

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>>2400189
Sorry for sideways pic

>>2400193
haha

>>2399608
Archer fish maybe.

>>2399457
Pretty much anywhere you can find angelfish, there will be cory and tetra species in that body of water. Cories are in almost every body of water east of the Andes, and there are so many species of tetra that their distribution would be similar to the cories. The distribution of Angelfish is a little more limited, but is contained within the ranges of cory and tetra species.

The Orinoco river contains altum angels, habrosus and concolor cories, and rummynose and cardinal tetras, for example.

>>2400269
And now I realize you asked about the Amazon, not the Orinoco. I totally misunderstood your post the first time.

One place that fits your description is Manaus, Brazil.

I just realised I can tell whether a tank is cycled or not by smell.

A tank in the process of cycling smells very "fresh", almost a bit like soap or detergent. A cycled tank smells swampy with a bit of plant rot. Am I gud yet?

>>2400189
green chromis are schooling fish, they travel in odd-numbered groups of 3 to thousands.

what he's doing is pretty normal behavior when they're not kept in groups.

>>2400279
>he can't tell by taste
amateur

>>2400285
I can, but why put weird shit in your mouth when you can smell?

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>>2399284
Update the damn link next time reeee

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Help me /aq/ i fucked up

lets get this right off
>i'm really obsessed with plecos

Since i was a lad with my little goldfish tank, I've always wanted a bloody Pleco

>Fast forward 18 years

I can finally afford to feed my addiction to fish, currently have three tanks, two 30L and one new 60. one 30 cold one 30 warm, both manged quite well. but the 60....

this is where i made the mistake, everything checked out okay, got it all planted and had got some stock in it. but when i was buying stock, god, i couldn't stop myself, I've wanted one so bad, i bought a baby pleco only about 3-4 inches long at the moment, but I'll know he'll grow, he's a time bomb, i live with my parents and haven't got room for a bigger tank. How long have i got chaps, and what should i do !?

>>2400269
>>2400270
I meant just the general amazon basin, or anywhere I can make an accurate biotope tank representation from. Both of your posts are really helpful!

Do they live in the same parts of the river? I feel like this would make a great tank. I found out lemon tetras and angels live in rio tapajos together, but i couldnt find any cories there. only expensive plecos.

take it back and get a smaller pleco. Not a common, maybe a bristle nose

>>2400410
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>>2400386

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Haven't posted here in months

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>>2400461
What's hiding inside

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>>2400464

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>>2400468

>>2400386
they're slow growers. Mine usually reached about a foot in 3 years.

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Shrimp took over the caves so I got some floating stuff for the badi, along with some other plants.

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>>2400485
What exactly is this floating plant I got? Lfs lady didn't really know what it was so she just gave it to me. Can it be planted?
It's the stuff on the top left.

Hey /aqg/, some time within the last few days my Mystery snail escaped the tank. It has been out of the tank for approximately 2-3 days. I only found it today behind my tank. Sneaky bastard. Anyways, after retrieving it I took a quick sniff of the snail to see if it was dead. Nothing. Not sure if it is dead. Any other ways I could check to see if the snail is indeed dead?

>>2400024
How did you make this webm pls

>>2400035
>>2400037
Is this a carpet of java moss?

>>2400546
This happened to me with a nerite and i put it in a plastic container with tank water to see. It developed fungus in a day. Was disgusting. I should also mention the nerite had been missing for weeks. I bought it at petsmart because it was notorious for crawling on top of all the tanks and appearing in different tanks every day. I found it in the bottom of my dog's toy basket. RIP.

>>2400386
Plecos can grow about an inch a month. But remember that once they max out their size in a tank they might stunt. When they stunt, they stop growing outside, but their organs keep growing, which will shorten their lifespan.

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/an/ tired of how tank looks please suggest changes or improvements you think would look nicer.

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>>2400610
Check it out my neons are taking all the Cory food

>>2400610
Is that a 20 Long?

>>2400486
Looks like Hydrocotyl "japan." It can be planted.

>>2400610
black sand > white sand.

get rid of whatever sad moldy-looking thing is on the far left.

clear away the browned algae.

have the driftwood frame the edges more.

exchange meme tetras for something nicer.

>>2400613
Yes it is, I don't have room for anything larger atm

>>2400637
It used to be black, then I got sand because I believe my substrate was too ruff on their barbels. On the left it's a flamingo .... something it is not looking to great I agree. But would could I out to replace it? The algae idk what to do its natural. I can make the substrate appear darker If I mix the sand in more so there's that. What would you replace the neons with?

>>2400344
>not enjoying the taste of ammonia, nitrate, and nitrate

If your tank smells strongly swampy with a bit of plant rot then it's not fully cycled yet. It goes fresh, then strongly swampy, then very, very mild. Like when my tanks get mature, I have to put my nose right up to the tank to smell anything. When it's still in the middle of cycling that swampy smell will fill the fucking room.

>have a marmorkreb that's over two years old
>third batch of children
>first batch stayed in the tank and are now mothers themselves
>second batch did not make it but looked like it had double the amount of eggs than the first batch

here's the scoop:
>the third batch of babby successfully were born, and right as they were released they stood near the mom, some of them roamed free
>shut off the tank lights for some shuteye
>next day
>all of the children are missing except for the lone wolves
>assume that they got eaten or were hiding really well
>11:30 AM EST
>tank lights on, crayfish kids are back
>mom still has some of her kids on her swimmerets
>shut off the tank lights
>realized that i could come back and see what would happen to the remaining kids
>mother crayfish is out
>turn on tank lights
>turns out that they come back to the mom's swimmerets after detaching themselves from her

such fascinating creatures! though i did saw one of the first batch of children get eaten by that mom and that is a rare occurrence to see

>>2400667
i have a marmorkrebs in its own 5 gallon tank right now. what should i do when it berries? i don't want a hundred babies.

>>2400642
Looks like bronze cryptocoryne.

>>2400461
>>2400464
>>2400468
>>2400472
Very nice and cozy

>>2400567
Too much time spent, not worth it. I'll detail it later if you really want me too but I had to do a program trial download then learn the program. Was awful.
>>2400568
Yes.

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>>2400546
>>2400573
I put in in a Tupperware container before my original post, and after checking on it a few minutes I find it is alive. Hardy bastard.

How do I make my goldfish not eat other fish. When I put Guppys in he chased them down and ate them. Are they supposed to do this?

>>2400708
Goldfish eat anything that fits in their mouths, plus they have very different needs compared to a guppy. Ya dun goofed.

>>2399452
I lost my second crawdad a couple of weeks ago. Decided I am just going to settle for a tiny Mexican species. I had one 5"er that was totally cool with all the fish. I fed him shrimp and live tubifex. I don't exactly even know how he crawled out, I guess he must have climbed a thin airline.

>>2400472
how long do they live?
what food eat?
can they breed and not overrun your tank?

My betta got sick again! He was laying at the bottom of his tank when I got home yesterday. HAve him another epsom salt bath and now he is at the top of his tank. I had given him some mysis worms from the Dial-a-Treat, only 1/2 spoon that came with it. How to prevent this in the future?

>>2400708
>>2400723
In my experience guppies are the most murderous pieces of shit I've ever owned. They attacked every other fish in the tank. Our more "aggressive" species were outright scared of them. I will never understand the "docile tropical guppies" meme.

>>2401070
Low mood can influence health, so make sure that he has a good environment. Proper chemical levels, space to swim, but also dense foliage/rocks to hide behind. Go about your daily business around him so he has something to look at. Interact with him like any other pet.

>>2401039
The shrimp or the crayfish?

>>2400670
i have no clue pal
though im considering selling the 8 month old ones on ebay

>>2400670
If you just leave them in the tank most will probably get eaten. If any survive long enough to make it past the 1" mark you can freeze them and use them for bait.

>>2401142
I've never heard of a guppy or group of guppies attacking another fish. That's kind of oddball.

>>2401356
I maintained multiple fish tanks over the course of four years with tens of guppies. They attacked everything, including each other and the placo. When I finally got fed up and put them in a separate tank, the other fish were much happier, and the guppies got to tear each other apart in peace. I just don't know why they were like this.

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>>2401361
Did you molest them or something? Holy shit, that's terrible. Mine are pretty chill, although they're only sharing their tank with some cherry shrimp and an ivory mystery snail.

My grandpa because hes old and borderline illiterate go some stuff and put it in our pond without telling anyone
I found the package that he told me was to kill the algae, surprise, its not for killing algae
Its water dye, enough to treat FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING THOUSAND GALLONS and he just plopped it right in our ~300 gallon concrete pond

now the package says thats its non-toxic food grade dye but my god its so dark, its pitch black after the first like inch of water
I tried to find and fish out the dye bag but it sinks and I can't see anything

what are we in for?

>>2401472
probably a lot of dead black fish

either get the bag out or move the fish until you can drain, clean and refill the pond

>>2399635
I've got an Ehiem Jager. Seems pretty solid.

>>2401361
>placo
Stopped reading there fucktard

My black neon tetras bred Sunday morning. Now all fry are free swimming.

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/an/ I'm tired of the look of my fish tank. Help me redesign it. Wanna stay with my natural look. If someone could also help me, why the bug plants in there are brown but still have green and don't look as good as they used too.

>>2401606
close-up of bug plants plz

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This sparkling gourami is such a dickhead. There are plenty of hidey holes but this asshole always finds and harasses the badi.

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These asshole always fight at feeding time. Should I just return two of them? I dont want them to hurt each other.

>get 10 cherry shrimp off eBay
>open box today
>almost transparent, showing off only a tint of red
How do I make generations of good colors over time? Just cull them?

>>2401767
Lots of culling
>>2401597
Congrats on doing more than most people on /an/ could achieve
>>2401606
This happens with hornwort
>>2401617
Sounds rude return it

>>2401767
it's normal that their colors dull during a stressful transport. wait a while, feed carotene rich food and their colors can improve significantly

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the internet is telling me lots of different things

will CPDs thrive and breed in a heated tank (75-77F) or should they be in room temp (65-70F)

>>2400694
>program trial download then learn the program. Was awful.
Na I'm good senpai. I'll just wait til someone comes up with something easier.
>>2400705
Glad to know he'll live another day. Hope you chucked him into the water from the other side of the room as punishment

Do female dwarf gouramis change color and fight?

So one of the 4 dwarf cories died today. Not sure what happened. Water parameters haven't changed, still fine (all in the clear 0/0/5). All other fish seem perfectly healthy. This happened last time I got cories as well. All but 1 died. He's still going strong. Are pygmy cories just had to keep alive?

>>2402177
How long have you had them?

>>2402179
Since Tuesday

>>2402200
It could just be general shock and difficulty adjusting to new life. It could have been sick when you bought it. I wouldn't consider it anything you did wrong unless you had them for a few weeks or so.

Example: I had bought 4 peppered corys when I originally started one of my tanks. They were doing alright, buy on day 5, one of them was floating around, couldn't right itself and all that. Turns out it had swim bladder disease when I bought it.

>>2402212
Okay. I'll wait until Saturday and take it back to the fish store.

I have a betta in with some ember tetras. The tetras all leave him alone except for one. It's this big bully who's always fat because he eats food faster than anyone else and he's a dick to everyone in the tank. He started nipping the betta's tail recently.

The betta generally swims away but sometimes turns around and chases the little shit off. Am I wrong for kind of wanting the betta to attack the crap out of this little asshole tetra? The betta could swallow him whole if he gets mad enough. I almost want him to do it.

>>2402317
Chop him up and turn him into fish food.

What's the best micropellet? Got some tiny tiny fish. Want something that floats for a bit then sinks so my corys can get at it.

When I'm ordering from aquabid, what is the general procedure? I'm specifically confused about the role the "trans shipper" plays as I've never dealt with this before. Do I have to arrange a trans shipper before I order or will the seller arrange me with one once I buy from them?

>>2402360
I like the smallest size of New Life Spectrum pellets. You can roll them between your fingers to make smaller bits. Even my corals like to eat them too.

>>2402417
Holy SHIT they have a ton of different products. Which one would you recommend for chili/Phoenix rasboras, pygmy cories, and Scarlett badis? The peacock gudgeon and sparkling gouramis eat anything so I'm not worried about them.

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>>2402427
these are .5mm

answer my fucking question about whether CPDs should have heated water or not

>>2402729
Only 99 degree Fahrenheit or higher if you can't achieve that then you need to buy a chiller and set it to 42 degree Fahrenheit

>you will never put your dick in anemone and watch it digest it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvHxo3pIgQA

>>2402751
What's stopping you faggot?

What do you guys have incase power goes out/storm/blizzard etc?

are you prepared or will your fishies suffer?

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>>2402757
well setup tank can survive 4-6 hours without electricity just fine, more if you don't keep some picky fish
also keep pic related to give your tank some oxygen during possible blackout

>>2402317
I've read that increasing school size of nippy fish can stop aggression. Will this help? I don't really want to get rid of the betta as he has been ok in here for months. Only recently has this bully started picking on him.

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>>2402757
That happened to me several weeks ago. I used pic related attached to an air stone.

What are some great decorations you've gotten at retail pet stores? I need something my shrimp could hide in but I can really only afford to go to places such as Petsmart or Petco

>>2402135
Many fish get more colorful during mating time. Usually males but also sometimes females. Higher aggression is also not uncommon.

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>>2402836
I like these pipes. They should be at any petco/smart. They look natural-ish with the coloring and are perfect for shrimp.

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I got this for my little pleco, but he never uses it. However, there are usually a bunch of shrimp hiding in it.

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Friday Fish Day!
What should I get today? Should I focus on the aquascape?

Filter: Tetra Whisper 60 plus 2 sponge filters

Plants:
1x Amazon Sword
1x dilapidated Anubis nana
1x dilapidated Creeping Jenny
1x dilapidated Cambomba

>>2401070
Finally got him to take a fat fish shit. Epsom salt works!

>>2402836
Aquarium decorations are so expensive there it hurts. Get some smooth pebbles from outside, clean them off really well and stack them on top of each other. It looks nice and natural and doesn't cost anything.

>>2402757
I stir the water up every so often to keep oxygenated and wrap in lots of blankets to keep warmth in as long as possible

>>2402904
The funny thing is these people think they're doing something amazing and feel the need to share it with the world.

>>2402886
He is still laying on the bottom of his tank though ;_;

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>>2402904
>>2402910
I really have to wonder what makes someone look at something like this and go "wow! That not only looks awesome, it looks healthy and fun for the betta! I also want to teach my young child that keeping live animals in this way is acceptable!"

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>>2402904
>>2402923
this guy seems perfectly happy

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>>2402926
look, he even has friends

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>>2399284
I bought of these little 5 gallon hexagon aquariums from a garage sale. I didn't bother taking the hood off at the time, but when I got it home, I did and noticed chips missing from the top of the aquarium. No cracks or leaks, but can I trust it to hold water? Picture related, but no mine. I've highlighted the areas where the chips are.

>>2402940
put water in them and see for yourself? Why are you even asking something so obvious when you have to check them for water tightness anyway?

>>2399942
We have this local put supply/fish store called Kaya's. And they have an aquarium on the front counter, a little 10 gallon with some shrimp and live plants. They looked really healthy, and I asked what they did to keep them that way. They said all they used was organic soil, and the strip light LED's in the hood. They told me that C02 systems were not necessary for healthy plan growth, and the only people who used them were purists who wanted to feel entitled for doing things "by the book".

Is this true? I mean that aquarium is beautiful, and so lively.

>>2402942
When I say no leaks, I figured it was implied that I tested for leaks. I'm not worried about that though. I'm more worried about the kind of stress that chips in the acrylic could potentially receive over time, and it would eventually lead to cracks and leaks.

>>2402417
>>2402427
These are excellent. However if your fish are used to flakes, they may not like them at first. They are quite hard and do not soften that quickly.

NLS also makes excellent flakes so I tend to feed a mix of both as the staple.

>>2402944
you seem to be overthinking it. For 5 gallons of water, I wouldn't be concerned about pressure

But again, it's not something anyone here can tell you. Only thing you can do is what you'd have to do anyway which is cycle the tank and see it there are any issues in the few weeks before you add fish. If it's fine at the end then I wouldn't worry

If you're worried anyway then DIY some supports

>>2402947
Yeah I suppose I am. Thanks for the answer though.

Also how would I get the hard water stains off of the inside of the tank? I don't know what kind of mixtures to use, and I know I can't use like a brillo pad because that's cause scratches.

I know I can google these things too, but I get a much more genuine answer from a direct response, rather than an old forum post.

>>2402954
razor blade

>>2402954
eh I dont know what other people do so i'd wait for more response but i've never gone wrong with vinegar and a magic eraser

>>2402742
i'll kill you

>>2402954
vinegar or perhaps muriatic acid if they're really stubborn.

obviously no scraping, scrubbing or rubbing.

>>2402837
Do both turned dark blue and were/are fighting

>>2402974
You sure you got dwarf gourami? That's a little on the extreme side. Pics please. They sound cool looking.

are cherry shrimp supposed to be extremely active? a few are all over the place and some of them are hiding

>>2403027
males swim around like retards looking for females that have recently molted. Females will generally sit in one place unless they've recently molted, at which point they hop around eating like crazy and avoiding the males

Alright guys I'm ready. What's a good, cheap set up for co2? None of that yeast in a 2 liter crap. I want something I can sit off at night without great of explosion.

>>2402943
Depends on the type of plants you put in your tank. Some will want more C02 then others, and a lack of it will lower the rate of growth. For the most part though, yeah, CO2 isn't required.I can say when I was running it my plants grew about twice as fast, but it was densely plants with a lot of fish to help produce CO2 as well. All in all it's really up to you on if you want plants to grow quickly, or if you decided ot pick a plant that likes a lot more CO2 then most.

>>2403066
CO2 IS BAD.
CARBON EMISSIONS.
GLOBAL WARMING.
ICE CAPS.
POLAR BEARS.
AL GORE.
CARBON TAX NOW PLEASE.

>>2403066
Co2 is needed for some plants. Some. Without it they grow weird. Then there's the fact if you have too much PAR then the plants will try to grow quickly but then you have to balance ferts to give them enough to grow and not grow algae every where. But for the most part co2 isn't needed and a well planted and balanced tank can fight off algae.

>>2403076
>some

CARBON TAX WHEN?
FUCK CO2 PRODUCERS.

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>>2403068
>>2403078

>>2403027
comfortable happy ones will mill around the whole tank

if you have fish they might be hiding from them, whether they're harassed or not

I have one faggot male that darts into hiding whenever I approach the tank despite none of the others being disturbed. Maybe he knows he's slotted for culling

Well, my planted tanks are officially cleaning themselves. Did water tests over the last week, and not even a Nitrate to be found.

I guess that means I'm going to be saving a few bucks on prime.

>>2403151
Prime is also to removed chlorine. Unless you're on a well or don't have live stock you'll need to keep them healthy and the beneficial bacteria.

>>2403078
They're turning the freakin frogs gay!

>>2403153
I'm implying I don't have to do a large amount of water changes.
Which means using less prime.

>>2403170
If you do a 5 gallon water change on a 100 gallon tank and add water directly you have to treat the entire tank unless you treat the water first.

>>2403219
Or you treat 5 gallons... which means you treat less water...
Are you autistic? Do you have Asperger or something? Are implications something you don't grasp?

>>2402729
They're fine either way. I kept them at 65 in the winter without issue and there was a guy on a forum who kept them outdoors in a wine barrel and they kept breeding throughout the 90+ degree summers.

>>2402954
Vinegar and muriatic acid are both supposedly safe with acrylic. Cheap acrylic scratches really easily, so no razor blades or scrubbers. Use a credit card if you need to scrape something. Even a magic eraser is going to fog it.

>>2403219
you can skip it on a 5% water change.

you treat for chlorine, which is deadly to bacteria at the concentrations in your tap water. It doesn't do anything at 5% that concentration though. It probably wouldn't do anything at 50% concentration either, but we treat it just in case.

tl;dr: treating water for small water changes isn't critical.

>>2403232
Maybe you're the actual retard here. If you replace 5 gallons worth of water directly into the tank you treat the ENTIRE tank. This is very common knowledge in the community.
>>2403267
A %50 is big enough to warrant the use as I've experienced an ammonia spike forgetting to dose in the begging of the hobby.

>>2403284
>I've experienced an ammonia spike forgetting to dose
yeah, it depends on how strong the chlorine is in your local water, if they use chloramine, and where you pour the water in the tank.

50% certainly can cause problems. It probably won't for most people though. Water companies use as little chlorine as possible to do the job.

if you've got chloramine you have to treat no matter the amount.

>>2403232
You're not the brightest guy are you? You probably shouldn't be keeping fish. But I'm just going to brush it off as bait since I don't think anyone can be this stupid.

>>2403293
he's saying you don't have to treat the whole tank, you just treat the new water.

he's right. Nobody dumps untreated water into their tank and then treats the whole thing. That would be absurd and probably pointless since chlorine kills instantly.

>>2403288
Depends. Water treatment plants will chlorine the fuck out of water to keep it clean. Especially to not get in trouble. You may notice it more around with lots and lots of rain, flooded rivers, or changing of seasons especially winter into spring.

>>2403294
You have never used a python water changer have you? Have you even done a water change? As a matter of fact do you even own a tank? These are serious questions. I use a python. I do bi weekly water changes of 50 percent. Water goes directly into the tanks along with prime (I double dose because I can smell the chlorine in my water). This tank has been running for years without a problem. You don't treat what you add. When you add it directly into the tank you treat your entire tank according to the directions for your tanks volume. Come on guys seriously? None of you know this?

>>2403298
>None of you know this?
I have saltwater tanks so I don't use tapwater and can't use a python.

I see what you mean though. I just forget these things exist because pouring untreated tapwater into a tank while the filter's running is a terrible idea. Easier than hauling buckets though.

>>2403301
But it isn't. Freshwater people do this all the time. Chlorine doesn't kill the bacteria right away. When you add prime it acts right away. I hate feeling like I'm talking down on people but this information can be found online. Sometimes I really hate this hobby due to the mass misinformation.

>>2403284
If you put five gallons of water in a bucket and treat it in the bucket, you only have to treat it for five gallons.

I don't believe you're actually this stupid. I think you're faking it. But I'm bored.

>>2403302
>Chlorine doesn't kill the bacteria right away.
not all of them anyways.
again there's a number of variables at work.

if it works for you then go for it. I personally wouldn't, but I don't keep freshwater anyways.

>>2403303
Yes if you put it in the bucket you treat the bucket. If you add it DIRECTLY INTO THE AQUARIUM YOU TREAT THE ENTIRE AQUARIUM. Reading comprehension helps.

Ah I remember why I left /aq/ all this petco tier advice. I'll stick with Google and forums with people that have actual experience. (Please reply I'm looking for attention on the way out)

>>2403307
is there something you need help with that wasn't answered? i might be able to help

>>2403302
>Freshwater people do this all the time.
>I do this all the time
>Therefore everyone does this always
>Because everyone is as stupid as I am

>>2403306
Yeah, some reading comprehension could definitely have helped you from looking like a massive fucking retard.

>>2403310
Maybe you don't use google or visit other forums or do any type of research at all. If you can't do that then give away your fish and tanks.

>>2403311
maybe not.

there's still the question -
if you put 5g of chlorinated water into a 100g tank do you still need to dose 100g worth of prime?

I'm not sure but I'd guess no.

>>2403311
No. Im saying you need it. I was very clear and concise from the beginning. You didn't even bother reading the entire post. Just made up whatever you saw. When I said you treat the entire tank when adding water directly to it I mean YOU TREAT THE ENTIRE TANK WHEN YOU ADD WATER DIRECTLY TO IT. I even capitalized it for you so you can read it better.

>>2403314
Yes. You do. If you're going to dose your 100 gallon tank anyway after that change you treat the entire tank. This is not a hard concept. There's even directions on the bottle.

>>2403316
>Yes. You do. If you're going to dose your 100 gallon tank anyway after that change you treat the entire tank
why?
chlorine is now diluted at 1/20th the rate prime is designed to treat, why add 20 times more than you need?
>There's even directions on the bottle.
well of course the manufacturer wants you to use 20 times more product than necessary.

>>2403319
Because the prime will not work the way it's intended. If seachem wanted you to use their product up as quickly as possible they wouldn't make it so you use so little and make products like safe.

You stupid fucking niggers. https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/adding-water-conditioner-before-during-or-after-water-change.151142/ The first link. The first fucking link. It has advice that works with everyone. I see people adding it to buckets first, I see people treating the entire tank because they use a python, people letting the water sit, and people using bubblers overnight.

>>2403321
>Because the prime will not work the way it's intended
apparently neither of us knows how it works.

interesting question you raise though.

>>2403323
as you say, the hobby is full of misinformation. You probably just posted more of it.

out of curiosity, how do you know the shit you read on other forums is true? Do you go by how many people believe it or is there some other secret? People are retarded, anon. Those people probably are too.

>>2403327
I'm not the anon who you're arguing with. What you two idiots need to understand people are gonna do what works for them. Prime also isn't anything special. If you looked up the ingredients then you'd know how it works and I'm not going to explain to you idiots.

>>2403330
>What you two idiots need to understand people are gonna do what works for them
if you read the thread you'd see I already said that.

My point is that anon is ignoring the prime directions by adding it after a change and it's working for him.

what's to say ignoring the directions about dosing tank volume won't work for him as well? Magic? Chemistry? I don't believe you know.

>>2403334
You can look it up yourself. In fact what makes prime you can buy yourself and have it even cheaper.

>>2403343
seachem claims they use a proprietary formula that others don't have and can't be learned online.

is there some reason you think they're lying?

>>2403349
It's the same as purigen. It's zeolite and they claim it's their own.

>>2403349
>>2403350
Why do you guys always ruin threads?

>>2403312
I don't need a 50 ft hose to make up for the fact that I have an inverted dick.

>>2403315
And the other anon was pretty clearly talking about treating the water before adding it to the tank, because only a dipshit retard internet trollposter desperate to show off his Python™ penis replacer would add chlorinated water directly to his tank for a 5% water change.

>>2403350
Have you ever actually handled Purigen? It's definitely not zeolite.

>>2403354
Because this is 4chan and these threads are fucking boring.

>>2403360
Maybe go to a board that's faster and more interesting?

>>2403354
>Why do you guys always ruin threads
funny, I think these threads are shit until people start arguing about water chemistry and bacterial ecology.

no offense to your really cool planted 5g with betta

>>2403369
I don't have a planted 5 gallon or betta. I have a planted 125, 75 salt water, and 46 bow front planted. Unlike your 2.5 gallon with one shrimp.

>>2403372
>75 salt water
pic with timestamp? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

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>>2403372

>>2403298
I syphon into and from buckets, never directly into the tank. That just seems unnecessarily risky. Just treat the new water and be done with it.

>>2403372
>My water penis is bigger than yours.
Seriously?

>>2403390
that's a contest he definitely would've lost.

I have 100 gallons of saltwater in my office and that's my little tank.

>>2403390
m8 this is all /aq/ is

aquadick measuring contest. People here crawl out of the woodwork to show off how much better they are at fishkeeping than someone else

posts are mostly divided into:

>Look how big/nice my aquarium* is
>Look how long* ive been in Aquaria*
>Look how much I know about fishkeeping*

>>2403377
>>2403390
>>2403395
Yes my water penis is bigger.
>>2403389
There's zero risk as people don't have problems adding it directly into the tank and adding prime.

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>>2403395
Ahh it's the old dude. Everyone stop replying to him. Don't give into his bait.

>>2403377
>>2403390
I mean he did start it by implying all I had was a 5 gallon :) he may be old with more experience but he also isn't very knowledgeable when it comes to freshwater. I would also then question his saltwater keeping abilities as well.

>>2403395
Maybe but your lack of experience with freshwater and lack of knowledge of simple water and how plants process it makes you look stupid. I'm guessing you hopped directly into salt water just to brag about all the money you have to spend to keep your fish alive? Exactly like every salt water fag. Money isn't an issue for me but people like you turn me away from it.
>>2403358
Stay poor. I use my python twice a week and makes changing water in my 5 tanks easier.

>>2403573
I use a aqueon water changer. Sucks. Wish I had a python but this makes changing water so much easier. Especially with multiple tanks.

So it seems fish keepers are the most autistic out of all animal keepers. Then comes dogs.

>>2403601
>not frog keepers

Maybe both of you fags should come back when you have years of breeding difficult fish. This makes my water penis biggest of them all.

>>2402427
I'd just go for the smallest size, .5mm. it can still be a bit big for the rasboras so crush them a bit. The pellets sink too so your cories should be able to get some.

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>>2402844
Here is what I got yesterday.

>>2403686
Pretty sure the "pair" of Rainbow Endless Livebearers are both female, as they are both silverish.

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Can anyone give me an example of crayfish hide? I want to know how big it needs to be.

>>2403573
>>2403587
I use a garden hose. Why the fuck would I pay $50 for some plastic hose with a screw end?

>>2403699
I've always just used stacked up lace rock.

>I want to know how big it needs to be.
Big enough for the crayfish to fit in.

>>2403573
>Maybe but your lack of experience with freshwater and lack of knowledge of simple water and how plants process it makes you look stupid
I kept freshwater for 16 years. I've kept planted tanks, I've kept African cichlids, I've kept RBP's, and I used to breed discus.
>I'm guessing you hopped directly into salt water just to brag about all the money you have to spend to keep your fish alive?
I'm a multimillionaire, if I want to impress you with money I probably won't start with my fish tank.

I got into saltwater because I prefer NATURAL beauty. Most freshwater has now been bred to appear unnatural. Salt water has not with the recent exception of clownfish. And salt water fish ARE beautiful. I think so anyways. I spend a lot of time traveling the world diving, and I like to come home to my little ocean.

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>>2403699
a clay tube big enough for it to turn around in suits well

>>2403785
>I'm a millionaire, yet I spend my time shitposting on a french-polynesuan pond manager board.

Why lie on the internet?

>>2403821
>Why lie on the internet?
there is literally no reason.

the only reason I mention it now is because anon asked if I got into saltwater to show off.

There are oldfags here that know I'm rich, but I very rarely talk about it.

>>2403825
Why not help out autistic people that starve and struggle with less than $3800 a year after rent? Do something with your wealth dude earn some brownie points before god takes your ass.

>>2403827
because I can't afford to help everyone and have no basis for choosing one over the other. Also I pay taxes that support programs that help the poor.

All of my advertising budget goes to local charities, athletics, and education. I'm not short on brownie points.

>>2403831
I think you should move more towards helping mentally incapacitated people because the hiring bias is extreme, whether you are an operable autist or have something else. We're being choked out man. Other racial groups get what they need but a white autist is the poorest man in the country. You don't have the brownie points you think you do if you can't accurately target the people that need your help. $100 Feeds 100 people for a day, with food prep.

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He is SO fucking hard to get a good picture of.

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>>2403839
>bowl
fuck outta here and kys you retarded idiot

>>2403835
Like most people on 4chan and probably everyone on /aq/, I've been diagnosed on the spectrum. Your autism isn't making you poor.

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>>2403839
It does help that he flares everytime I come within a couple feet of him. Trying to work on that though; giving him a blood worm each time I come near him.

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This guy is still timid, but he's getting more trusting and friendly, which makes me really happy.

>>2403840
That's tempory anon. If you payed attention to the thread, I had a gourami in that bowl last time I posted. This guy has a ten gallon that I'm currently using for the gourami until my co-worker takes them...if they don't kill each other first.

Anyway, that bowl is 2.5 gallons, so it's not horrible for a temporary set-up.

>>2403841
Yes, it's an auto disqualified for a job and I do have to pay rent at $400 a month.

You know people pay $2500+ a month in new york? SSI leaves you with $3800 a year and jobless for life, as long as people know you have autism, you will not be hired. This site has convinced everyone on earth that we are inoperable retards. Do I sound that handicapped? As stupid as 4chan says autists are?

I just want this man to stop giving to false charities and redirect his efforts.

>>2403843
He wants to fight you because you put him in a bowl.

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>>2403849
Gourami did a number on his fins though which pisses me off, but they're healing.

>>2403852
He was like that in the ten gallon too.

>>2403800
What a cute

>>2403851
>telling employers you're autistic
>collecting SSDI for your pokemon collection


>I just want this man to stop giving to false charities and redirect his efforts
Like I said, I'm autistic. My siblings are autistic, my kids are autistic. If I want to help autistic white people I have no shortage of them on hand.

>>2403855
he's looking good.

>>2403859
Alright, carry on. I don't have to tell anyone shit in a pop 800 town with 50 mile borders, it happens on it's own. Just wanted to make sure you weren't being helpful to people that need no help.

>>2403863
if it helps any I made my money owning an office cleaning company. It's perfect work for us- repetitive, quiet, nobody around. Before that I worked in cooking (nobody expects conversation) and in restaurant management (where being a socially awkward reject that's good at math actually pays).

find your niche, it's probably out there. One of my kids is a landscaper. They also can make a surprising amount of money in my area and he doesn't work with people much at all.

>>2403785
The unnatural you see is in petcos. Just like I see unnatural live rock and salt water fish. Most fish in freshwater are wild caught and a small portion is bred. Now what do you mean by unnatural? The aquatic plants? The wild caught fish? Driftwood? In saltwater people keep corals that aren't even from the same part of the world and bred for extreme color.

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My girlfriend just fell in love with the idea of getting a seahorse. Just one, and maybe some interesting flora.

What should we know?

>>2403865
I'm working on a lot of agricultural stuff and organic gardening, but three or four weeks will show how profitable my operation is. Nightcrawlers too, for extra low speed cash.

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>>2403866
>Most fish in freshwater are wild caught and a small portion is bred
you're joking.

>>2403867
what's your experience with marine tanks so far?

>>2403868
nice. I hope it works for you. SSI is a trap, as you know. Sneak out of it if you can.

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>>2403871

I keep exotic inverts, but near zero with marine animals.

We were debating getting something that will last more than a year, now that we have money and free time.

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This has got to be the dumbest general I've ever seen. Nowhere else is obvious bait being taken this easily over and over again. What the fuck is wrong with you retards?

>>2403876
cool. A seahorse isn't a bad choice. There's a lot you need to know- the easiest way to get started is going to be reading basics on marine tanks online or get books (marine aquariums for dummies or whatever).

you'll need a 40g tank or larger, filtration and skimmer, heater and perhaps chiller, lights (probably reef lighting). Look into their special dietary requirements- there's a few strategies to meet them. Some people grow seagrass and raise copepods and amphipods in the grass. Some raise the same inverts using live rock. Either way the diet will need to be supplemented with bought food, both live and frozen crustaceans are commonly used.

there used to be an anon here that kept seahorses, perhaps they're still around.

>>2403878
Been like ten days since we've had anyone get into trouble on /an/, welcome, retard, enjoy your three day break.

>>2403871
>uses discus as a basis for an arguement
Do you have any clue how many types of wild fish there are? Do you have any clue how many are tank bred and how many you can't tank breed?

>>2403867
Don't listen to
>>2403883
It sounds like he has zero experience in seahorses besides what he has seen on animal planet documentaries full of wacky sounds.

>>2403894
enlighten me.

because everything I see when I go to the fish store is bred. They have nothing wild until you get to saltwater. Maybe you live somewhere where most of the fish are wild (Uruguay?), but I don't.

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>>2403871
Pic related is wild caught. Hmm maybe this hobby isn't for you if you can't look up simple information instead of making up facts.

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>>2403867
>>2403876
Seahorses are hard to keep and high maintenance. Getting them to eat frozen food is a hassle and they need several feedings a day. If you have zero experience with marine animals that's just a disaster waiting to happen.

>>2403896
So you walk into a store and assume with absolutely zero knowledge that everything has been tank bred? There's zero hope for you. You're the dumbest of the dumb. All this info is publicly available to you and you choose to ignore it. You probably also assume that shops carry every freshwater fish in the world and that's all that is available.

>>2403897
read my file name

how many wild caught discus do you think sell every year? How many are tank bred?

>>2403896
>buying fish that have been cyanided out of reefs
Nice "I'm better than you because I keep saltwater fish"'attitude. Again like everyone else is saying all this info is readily available to research yourself.

>>2403899
>So you walk into a store and assume with absolutely zero knowledge that everything has been tank bred?
No, I've spent years studying wild fish and know what I'm seeing is fake.

goldfish, bettas, guppies, mollies, gouramis, sharks, platies, neons, these are all farmed animals that look nothing like their wild counterparts.

many of the fish for sale are extinct in the wild, or never existed there in the first place because they're tank-bred hybrids.

>>2403900
There's a huge demand for wild caught.

>>2403904
>all this info is readily available to research yourself.
I know it is.
I asked you to show me because you're lying and I want to see you try to back your lies up.

>>2403906
yes, but not a huge supply.

>>2403905
Ahh so I'm correct. You assume all these fish are the only freshwater fish in the world. It's very to believe since you set your arguments up to fail.

>>2403907
Not that anon but here's an article on saltwater that proves your part of the destruction of the environment if we're grasping at straws here https://www.google.com/amp/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/2016/03/160310-aquarium-saltwater-tropical-fish-cyanide-coral-reefs

>>2403911
>2008

what are you even talking about, I'm arguing with the anon that says most FRESHWATER FISH are wild caught.

which is straight up retarded. people out in rivers cyaniding guppies or something.

>>2403909
>You assume all these fish are the only freshwater fish in the world.
no, I said they're the only ones for sale at the store.

nice strawman.

>>2403919
You can't afford to order fish online?

>>2403911
Oh look another article with facts https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tropical-depression-your-saltwater-fish-tank-may-be-killing-the-ocean/

Huh odd. Many sources seem to state 86% of all saltwater comes from Philippines and Indonesia where they use cyanide. Would you just look at that? Salt water aquarist also are accounting for many species going extinct and endangered. While 90% of freshwater can be bred in captivity and endangerment and extinctions only caused by pollution and building.

>>2403919
A strawman looks like this >>2403905
>>2403871

>>2403926
>90% of freshwater can be bred in captivity
that is the only point I was trying to make.
thanks.

almost all FW fish are farmed.

>>2403927
then have some education:
>The vast array of animal species that make up the generic 'ornamental aquarium fish trade' is staggering. Around 2,000 species and millions of specimens are traded annually in the ornamental fish trade (Table 1). The number of species is almost equally divided between freshwater and saltwater species. However, the greatest volume or number of individuals in the trade, some 90-96%, are of freshwater origin and are produced in commercial aquaculture facilities (Chapman 1997; Cato and Brown 2003).

>90-96%, are of freshwater origin and are produced in commercial aquaculture facilities

>http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa124

>>2403929
Which is a good thing.

>>2403938
absolutely.

I just don't care for the aesthetics of fish (or boas or geckos or any animal) that's been bred to look un-natural.

that's why I got into saltwater, almost all of the fish are wild caught and look exactly like natural fish.

>>2403831
Buy me a new tank.

>>2403943
Most fish are bred what they always looked like even in the wild. Unless you're talking about these shitty hybrids.

>>2403855
>Gourami did a number on his fins
The fuck could you have possibly been expecting? How stupid are you? Why are you so insistent on proving the meme that women are terrible at owning pets?

I got a light for my aquarium and it looks much better,