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Queen Edition

This is the invertebrate general. If you have any questions about invertebrates, want to look into owning one or more, or want to simply discuss them, this is the thread to do so, whether its

>Tarantulas and other spiders
>Myriapods
>Mollusks
>Crustaceans
>Insects
>Or anything without a backbone

Feel free to post it.

old thread >>2363817
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Got three orchid mantis today, and with my two thistle I'm taking care of five now. A little intimidated, and the orchid nymphs are suicidal and keep falling. Not sure what to do about it.
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>test tubes arriving tomorrow
>rain tomorrow night
>nuptial flights everywhere
>no plans for the weekend

I'm getting me some queens if it's the last fucking thing I do.
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Aaaaand I forgot to put in our resources.

Did we agree on anything last thread?
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>>2373410
>spot a Camponotus alate
>go anting the next day
>catch half a dozen queens
feels good man
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Anyone have psytalla horrida? How do you care for them, and is their care similar to other assassin bugs? Lastly, know anywhere they're actually in stock?
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One of my roaches.
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>>2373408
some thinner branches would help, like very thin
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>>2373452
I think we had https://tomsbigspiders.wordpress.com/beginner-guides/

for tarantula beginner help

and I was going to write up a centipede guide but I was too lazy to make any real progress on it

I promise I'll get it done eventually
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>>2373510
I have some but I haven't had them for long, so I'm not comfortable giving advice yet.

So far it's been really easy though, none have died and I have a few freshly hatched nymphs.

>Lastly, know anywhere they're actually in stock?

This guy has them: http://www.schaben-spinnen.de/Content/shop.php?cat=14

10 for 50€, which isn't a bad price and he actually puts like 15 in there anyway.

If you're in europe shipping should be no problem with them.
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I think /invert/ should link to the /an/ discord server channel for inverts kinda like what /aq/ does already by using the aquatics channel. Someone two threads ago proposed a discord just for the general, but there's simply not enough people to warrant it while /an/'s main server has enough to justify hosting a channel.

https://discord.gg/6BHAxDW
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>>2373554
Are there any differences in care from Platymeris species? What temperatures are yours at?
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>>2373585
I guess. It's kinda dead.

We should put some effort into putting together an actual OP.
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>>2373403
8 month old terarrium, home to a T. Sinensis nymph
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>>2373607
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>>2373608
fix?
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>>2373610
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>>2373466
I have a pile of colonies on my property, but most of them are solenopsis something or other, and I'd rather not keep fire ants in my home. Kudos on the catch though, hoping I get something good this weekend.
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>>2373466
>go anting
what is this? how does one make an hobby from finding ants? Im intrigued
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>>2373614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErTN2e2eUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Kd8IqAiRI
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>>2373614
It requires a fair bit of prep, but just about everything apart from the test tubes you can build from scratch. As >>2373615 shared, it's not terribly difficult, but does require a lot of observational capacity - queens are big, but they're still ants, and easy to miss.
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>>2373510
I have P. horrida, what do you want to know exactly?
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>>2373666
fuck, I deleted the whole text. Fucking hell.
the first Sinomantis Ooth hatched..
God damnit, 5 hatched, 2 died already..
This is what happens when you leave for a few days. I wasn't expecting the first hatch before the end of next week. Why couldn't these lil' faggots wait until the weekend?
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>>2373672
Wow, that was fast. How long was the incubation time?

Also what a shame, hopefully you'll be there for the other ones. What do they eat? They must be tiny.
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Why are heat pads so disliked/deferred under air heaters?
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>>2373964

heat from below is unnatural

for a lot of animals the natural response for too high temperature is to burrow, heatmats kill them

heatmats don't produce a temperature gradient, so the animal can't choose a comfortable zone to stay in

heatmats fail often and removing them is a pain

heatmats can fail and be stuck "on", and kill your animal (when lamps fail they break)

and most importantly, they are too expensive for the heat they provide
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>>2373972
huh

well that all makes sense
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Gonna sell/trade my jumping spider slings tomorrow, I have 8 Hyllus diardi and like 150 Phidippus regius.

This translates into roughly 150 to 200 bucks, but the guy I'm giving them to has quite the selection of spooders and other inverts for sale, so I'd rather trade desu.

Anything interesting in here that you would pick (or several things)?

http://freepdfhosting.com/aea9ad2693.pdf
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Just saw my Poecilotheria formosa catch something for the first time. She fucking DROPPED herself on the cricket. That was fucking awesome.
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>>2373614
Ant queens fly at a specific time each year. You have to watch the weather and pick the right couple of days if you want to catch them. When you think they're flying, you have to go out with some small containers and hunt them down (i.e. anting). That's how you start a colony from scratch.
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I know that crickets are a no-go for mantises

but how about free-range, wild caught, organic, early-instar grasshoppers of a few species?
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>>2373666
Temperature range, enclosure humidity, enclosure size, and accepted food for starters. Are they able to live in a communal enclosure with similar species such as p. biguttatus?
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>>2374165
Should be totally fine. Just be aware grasshoppers can bite back, so give them small ones.
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>go sweep netting
>catch a male and female scorpion fly, a bunch of interesting chrysomelidae, some tiny scarab, and two massive weevils of different species
Midwest is best
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>>2374165
but keep in mind they might have horse hair worms
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>>2374359
>horse hair worms
blech
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>>2374312
Show Chrysomelidae pics pls
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Any advice on keeping aquatic insects? I was thinking Dragonfly/damselfly nymphs as well as water beetles or anything I can find. I know to keep them seperate because of their rampant canibalism but I was hoping someone with experience could offer some tips.
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>>2374165
>crickets are a no-go for mantises

why is this?
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>>2374749
afaik the gut flora of crickets can potentially be dangerous to mantids. I dont feed mine crickets though so Im not sure
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>>2374749
Crickets will eat a mantis if it is defenseless and can harm still harm it if it isn't.
Crickets carry Gregarines which can lead to fatal constipation in both cricket and mantis.
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>>2374771
Is this a mantis specific thing or is it better to skip crickets for tarantulas, assassin bugs, etc. as well?
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>>2374809
Tarantulas have been fed crickets for time immemorial. Only thing is, they have low nutrition so you have to gut load them for them to be of any worth

Assassin bugs will eat anything, with as much cruel savagery as possible.
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>>2374409
The black, white and red one was able to hop, the other one faded quite a bit unfortunately

I also got yellow, orange, and red lady bug looking ones, but I seem to have misplaced them
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>>2374836
meant to say beetle or bird, not bug
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>>2374809
I think tarantulas are too far removed from crickets to be affected by the same parasites. Also I've never heard of anything other than mantids having problems with them. Seems like it's quite specific to them.
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>>2374180
>Temperature range
room temp 21C/70F to 27C/80F

>enclosure humidity
damp soil, waterbowl, rest doesn't matter

> enclosure size
scaled to the size of the colony, they're very social

>accepted food
anything that moves
anything that doesn't move also

>communal enclosure
not aware of anyone that has tried it but I doubt it, they know their kin, probably by chemical cues, I think this wouldn't go well
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Anyone keep multiple types of hissing cockroach and can tell me their favorite kind?
Sizes and stuff is easy to look up and care is almost the same across the board, but is there anything not commonly stated?
Do the different species behave differently? Are some maybe more defensive than others?
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>>2374965
Thanks anon; got an email from a provider that they may have some in stock next week so I may give them a shot
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I'm starting to miss my praying mantises

Anyway, I really want a giant leaf bug and I found a seller in Malaysia who sells their eggs but I'm 99% sure it's illegal to import such a bug into the USA, even though I probably wouldn't get caught.

These and giant walking sticks. They would be so cool to have, but they both lay eggs without a mate so they're a threat to the local ecosystem if they got out, especially in the South where I live.

Oh well.
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>>2375040
Look how big these things are.

Caring for them is supposedly pretty easy. You just stick some oak or bramble branches in a vase and let them eat away.
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>>2375040
>>2375042
^ this

Just watch out for the eggs, it'll look different from their regular droppings, and I just freeze the eggs and crush them later to be sure before disposal. One time the birthing of babies in the cage caught me by surprise, but dang it, baby stick bugs are the cutest.
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>>2375045
I still don't want to risk the legal trouble. I imagine you'd get into pretty big trouble if they caught that stuff being imported.

What species do you have anon?
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These are pretty neat looking, 'Feather Millipedes"

Very odd looking millipede!
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>>2375048
They aren't straight illegal you know, you can get a permit for stick bugs and the like.
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>>2375052
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>>2375053
What is the process like?
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>>2375057
Don't know, but from a quick google search it seems you can just apply for a permit in some way. So, google it.
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>>2375048
OP of >>2375045
I understand your worry, and I will be honest - I got the most basic "indian stick bugs" from a kid from Craigslist, I shit you not. His parents were nearby to make sure he wasn't gonna get stiffed or something bad. And I relied on my experience on raising them from working at a little bug museum. Pretty much had the bugs illegally.
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>>2375042
>Caring for them is supposedly pretty easy
Depends on the species

and P. giganteum is not an easy species. High humidity and high ventilation, sometimes they need a bit of wind too
start with easier species (If you really want phyllium, maybe try P. philippinicum or P. mabantai)

>>2375052
>>2375055
Holy shit, nice
are they yours?

>>2373914
>How long was the incubation time?
about 3 weeks

>>2373914
>What do they eat?
kept runnin away from collembola, now they apparently ate some of them, (because the three are still alive), but I've not seen them eat yet.
There are enough springtails in their box tho..

D. melanogaster are far too big for them, I've tried.
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>>2374367

stuff of mightmares, that
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>>2375196
parasites are just terrifying in general
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>>2375197
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>>2375198
excuse me
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>>2375040
Is EVERYTHING in the US forbidden? Holy shit.

Is it just certain states with these laws?

Is there actually any danger of all of these becoming invasise (giant land snail, millipede, leaf bug, whatever the fuck else that is also fobidden) or is it just fearmongering?
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>>2375201
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>>2375189
>about 3 weeks
Ok that IS fast. There is almost no down time between generations. Do you think these could live year round in the Hong Kong area? If not I think your population could crash in a few generation because of the lack of diapause.

Pro tip for springtails: Get some fish flake food, take a bit and crush it into real fine powder, dispense that powder onto the leaves and sticks inside the enclosure, spray them very lightly beforehand if it doesn't stick. That makes the springtails migrate onto the sticks and leaves and out of the soil, where the mantids will actually find them.
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>>2375277
Giant land snails are actually incredibly fucking invasive, in Florida for example, and carry diseases like meningitis. And they can breed by themselves with just 1 snail. So it's incredibly difficult to remove them all.
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>>2375281
>Do you think these could live year round in the Hong Kong area?
I was told they do

but I'll try to induce a diapause when they are subadult. I didn't do it this time, because I wanted to make sure I'll get at least 1 pair to breed (got 1 female and 3 males).
I thought I might do something wrong during the diapause and I didn't want to lose any of them

But as said, I was told you can find them year round (if you know where/how to look)

>Pro tip for springtails:
holy shit, I never thought of that. Thank you!

also, baby P. bolivari bolivari are growing nicely
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>>2375277
The Americas and Australia have been uniquely seperated from the rest of the world and they wish to maintain their ecosystem purity as much as possible. This is why they are so hard on letting in species from Europe, Asia, Africa.
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>>2375277
Burmese Python in florida, Cane Toad in Australia, Snakehead in Canada, Round Goby all over, Asian Carp. Invasive species are a BIG deal, because they get put in a niche where they have no natural predators, no predators the are adapt at eating them and then they flourish and their population explodes; choking out native species. Sure a native species might learn how to keep them in check, might develop a taste for them but by then the population has surged.
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>>2375313
Too bad that they are a bit late with that.
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>>2375313
I asked if there was an actual danger of these inverts from mostly tropical climate zones to become invasive in the US which only has, as far as I know, subtropical climate in the south.

>>2375328
I know how invasive species work.
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>>2375332
The Northern USA and Canada would likely be fine, as any tropical species would die off in the winter.

However the big threat is the Southern US AND every country below the USA. We aren't just looking to protect ourselves from invasive species, we don't want them invading any of the Americas.
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>>2375295
Oh, I thought they needed the diapause as eggs. I think (and this is my completely subjective opinion) that its not as important then, because the animal is already developed and metabolizing. It might be important trigger the last molt, but I doubt that. I mean what happens if there' a warmer winter?

All of this is just my opinion, but I think they should be fine without diapause then.

And those bolivari look so fucking strange with the huge uropods. They get quite big too, don't they?

>>2375337
So that's the real reason for the wall. To protect Mexico from invasive species in the US. Thanks Trump.

Kek, sorry, I had to.
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>Lampropelma violaceopes and spec. Borneo Black both constructed elaborate nets, decorated with dirt, multiple entrances, underground tunnel over the span of several days
>Lampropelma nigerrimum makes a half hearted attempt with a few strands and calls it a day
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>mfw
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>>2375040
I have too little phyllium giganteum
she got a little bit of her abdomen stuck and bent but she's fine
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>>2375466
>too phyllium giganteum
>too
kill me
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>>2375466
how complicated are they actually? do the need air movement like I've read? how much space do they need? what do you feed in winter?
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I need help
I have a 3 year old male Brazilian black tarantula
I can't feed him,anything I give him,I tried roaches,grasshoppers,grubs and crickets and he wont eat anything.Every time I try to feed him he just backs off or ignores it.There is no molt or anything because it's been 2 and a half months without food.What do?
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>>2375479
>Brazilian black tarantula
Grammostola pulchra?

What do?
Nothing. They fast from time to time.
You can start worrying when it's been another 6 months.
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why do you nerds like bugs so much? they're vermin
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>inb4 someone actually responds
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>>2375476
They are not easy because they tend to get stuck in their moult (especially during the final one), having a high humidity rate helps them (as a tropical species)
I feed them "brambles" ? (I'm not a native speaker, I'm talking about Rubus fruticosus) but it's preferable to vary their diet a bit
It's good to have some form of air movement but not a lot, it would be counter-productive.
I only have two young p. giganteum in a 42x30x30 terrarium, and they do not move much (particularly during the day), not really sure about the space needed for each animal
I have a lamp lit 12 hours a day over them and change their food/clean their space 2 times a week
They are the only invertebrates I have at home currently, so I make sure they are doing well frequently
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>>2375339
>I thought they needed the diapause as eggs
nope, as subadults, similar to Empusa pennata.

but as said, it's pretty warm in Hong Kong all year round

> I mean what happens if there' a warmer winter?
That's what I was thinking, and they molted just fine for me. They do not handle heat well i appears. Max. 25°C I'd guess
might try keeping them at under 20° in winter this time. Not sure tho

>They get quite big too, don't they?
yep, bigger than every species around here in Austria
Here is a pic where you can see their size pretty good. (Not my pic this time)

should be getting another P. bolivari subspecies soon, can't w8 to see how they look "in person"
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>>2375605
Ah, ein Ösi, super.

In that case it really should be no problem to send you animals when I get my Metallyticus offspring.

Also those are the coolest (land) Isopods I have ever seen, wow. Know where I can get some?
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http://i.imgur.com/iVQOTkw.jpg

What kind of dog is this?
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>>2375892
Tegenaria domestica.

For the love of everything that's holy clean that fucking place, that picture is so disgusting even the poor spider is covered in dust.
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>>2375756
>In that case it really should be no problem to send you animals when I get my Metallyticus offspring.
nice, glad to hear that

>Know where I can get some?
P. bolivari? You can have some of mine if you want.
I mean, I don't have a whole lot myself, but I could send you some of the babies
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>>2375934
Flatmates downstairs bathroom. Not my problem they live like shit
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I saw in the last thread something about burrowers>everything?
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subpar pic of newly constructed 2 mantis bioactive viv with a divider
much less intense than my 10 gallon viv but it will suffice
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>>2375981
Everyone was just kinda throwing the bantz around really.
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>>2375981
Oh yeah, the best spiders are obviously the ones you never see

>dirt munchers actually believe this
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Finally back from the twin cities reptile show (and two different recording sessions). Came home with a western hognose (tried to say no but way too cute). I also came home with this B smithi sling.

Now, if you're not very good at seeing details like me, you won't notice the missing leg. I didn't until I made it home. I scoured the container it came in to see if it may have been a handling issue or something, but no missing leg, so I assume I merely glossed over the missing leg when I held it.

My question for the pros of invert general; is this fairly common in slings of this size, and that it's nothing to worry about, or did the seller take advantage of me and I got what I deserved?

And it is scuttling around at full speed, quite a bit faster than my other T. So it doesn't seem to be a fatal limb loss that involves failure of the hydraulic system. (Bonus question, what does invert general call that hydrostatic system?)
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>>2374367
IT JUST KEEPS COMING OUT
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>>2376000
Hm, at that size it isn't that common but one missing leg does not even slightly inconvenience a spider.

You shouldn't worry about it. If it had happened in your care I would try to find out why exactly, because at that size it isn't that common anymore. But you got it like that, so just make sure it doesn't happen again. I mean it could be something simple like that spider really not being used to being disturbed (common at professional breeders) and throwing off a leg when transferred to a new container or something more serious like losing the leg in a bad molt. You can't know but it should not matter.

>what does invert general call that hydrostatic system
Well in other animals like worms it's called a hydrostatic skeleton, but spiders aleady have an exoskeleton and the pressurized hemolymph only has a support role, so I don't actually know if it even has a name.
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Progress! Seems like the other one is a bit spooked by what he's seeing though.

>>2375972
>You can have some of mine if you want.
I mean, I don't have a whole lot myself, but I could send you some of the babies

Oh no, I don't want to inconvenience you like that. If you ever have a nice breeding colony I would love some (and I'd pay you) but I'm not in a hurry. I've noticed this hobby seems to make people very patient.

Also the whole sending stuff to each other is not something we should discuss on 4chan I think. I'm in the /an/ Discord, you can PM me there, my name is Fruchtpudding. Same for steam, if you don't have or want to join Discord.
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>>2376154
It's fascinating how there is absolutely no metallic shine at all yet, the wings are transparent and the animal is just black. I guess the microstructure isn't the right shape yet.
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>>2373410
>Spent 5 hours on sunday chasing ants
>Not a single queen to be found

So my weekend was shit, how was everyone else's?
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>>2376195
My weekend was wonderful and full of Dean Martin and salty shitposter/tumblrite tears.

On a more on-topic note, this little stinker just might be the laziest burrower on the face of the earth. Only now has she done any digging in her hide, and all she did was push some dirt out to the entrance, lay some silk messily all over it and say "Meh. Good enough."
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>>2376257
Is there anything as entertaining as a lazy animal? Not sure what it is, but for some reason that shit cracks me up. Oh, and
>Dean Martin
Excellent taste.
To expand on my ant bitching, I'm thinking it's the odd weather CA's been having lately that's throwing everything off. May is smack dab in the middle of a bunch of different ants nuptial flights, and I didn't see a god damned thing all day.

I found a Solenopsis nest and stuck a stick in it, though, because fuck fire ants, those guys are dicks.
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>>2376195
Great! I traded in my jumper babies for a bunch of Tarantulas and had a really nice conversation with the guy. He also showed me around his store/house, which he claims has over 80k spiders.

One of the things he gave me were these Lampropelmas.

>>2376257
You think you know lazy? Observe this.

From left to right:

Lampropelma violaceopes. A beautifully constructed hide with multiple entrances, camouflaged with dirt, and an adjacent tunnel.

L. spec. Borneo Black (x2). A small but functional hide, very well camouflaged. A very good effort after only 2 days.

L. nigerriumum. A fucking tarp. And she's not even in it.
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>>2376325
In case you missed it. That there.

You can't even call this half-assed. What the fuck is this?
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>>2376195
Other than the missing leg fiasco mentioned earlier (>>2376000), and a guy showing up drunk to a 9 AM recording session, pretty good.

Trying to figure out a better enclosure for the 7 legged sling, probably going to look at what was-mart has to offer in the storage department.
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>notice what I assume to be a scab hanging off a mosquito bite that I scratched too much
>next day it's bigger
>it's a tick that's been hanging onto me for at least 3 days
the sentence is death
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>>2375990
Honestly my favorite Ts are the ones I can't see. Even the tree climbing ones. How are tapis to keep?
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>>2376549
>my favorite Ts are the ones I can't see
picture very much related

>How are tapis to keep?
I have no idea but I'm a sucker for blue/purple spiders so I'm getting a T. violaceus, hopefully tomorrow. Shipped today actually.

From what I've read they are rather shy and not aggressive at all and they tend to stay out in the open as they mature. They can apparently be very, very fast though. Other than that they are apparently super easy as they tolerate dryness better than other arboreals.
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>>2376577
Act like you don't enjoy psalmopoeus species....but ya don't really see often
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>>2376615
Of course I enjoy my Psalmopoeus, but I'm actually clever enough to construct an enclosure in a way that I can see into their hides
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>>2376455
>he feeds ticks to his pet mantis
>the ticks are full of his own blood
I love it.
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>>2376455
I do the same thing with illegal mosquito and wasp immigrants (yes, bigger mantids handle wasps just fine).

Into the pit!

I hate to admit it but this is way more satisfying than killing them yourself (or releasing).

Not spiders though, spiders are bros.
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>>2376455
dude make sure you see a doctor, lyme disease is no fucking joke
>inb4 it wasnt a deer tick so it couldnt possibly carry lyme
>inb4 theres no rash
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>>2376722
I've heard about some of the horrid diseases that ticks carry, it's pretty crazy that there's nothing that they can do about some of them.

The tick that bit me seemed like an american dog tick nymph, is there any truth to the idea that younger ticks don't carry disease as often because they haven't bit as many organisms?
I mean, I'm going to the doctor in two days, but it makes sense to me.
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>>2376839
>younger ticks don't carry disease as often because they haven't bit as many organisms?
Yes, but that's not something that you should rely on.

Also just because you got bitten by an infected tick doesn't necessarily mean you're infected yourself. And even if you have the bacteria doesn't mean you will have symptoms. You should still go to a doctor though, don't chance it. And watch out for flu like symptoms in the next few weeks, but your doctor is probably going to tell you the same thing.
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>>2376839
>it's pretty crazy that there's nothing that they can do about some of them.

When I was a wee child of 12, my middle school science teacher thought it would be a genius idea to take the class out to a hectare of grassland and teach us how to plot everything. A big field, in summer, of knee-high grass.

That was the day I had a nervous breakdown, as after that class I was literally pouring ticks off my body - once we started counting, there were 62 that the medics eventually pulled off me.
I didn't get lyme disease - not completely - but of the required allele's, I have 2. It flares up every few months, like some biological insurgent, causing some rather unfortunate symptoms (headaches, joint aches, exhaustion) for a few days, before subsiding. The doc's I spoke to, after trying many chemical alternatives (with dubious results), said that the only way to get rid of it completely was to contract it in its entirety, then cure it. I am still mixed on this idea.

Don't fuck around with tick diseases anon. Shit's not pleasant. Blood work is pricey, but it's better to know now that have to deal with it later.
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>>2377103
nagger I told you I was going the day after tomorrow.
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I found this in a 2-year old compost pile. They crawl on the middle of their backs. Zone 5 in North Eastern USA. They seem to be, "Green June Beetle," (Cotinis nitida).
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>>2377145
>contract it in its entirety, then cure it.

That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

>tfw I used a honey bee sting on the bite to eradicate it before it was able to do harm, 8 years later, no symptoms.

Are you allergic to honey bee stings? FYI, there's a shit load of anecdotal evidence and very little scientific data. I guess no one really wants to study someone getting stung by a shit load of bees a few years after contracting Lyme disease. It is probably an insurance nightmare. lol
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>>2377248
Did you put them back or are you keeping them?
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>>2377253
I put them in with my fishing worms for now. I have an orchard, so I can't simply let them go free. The adults love peaches. If I keep them to raise them into adults, I'll go get some compost and make a home container for them. Otherwise, my chickens will enjoy them.
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>>2377258
They are practically crawling protein/fat sausages, not very healthy in the long term but I'm sure your chickens will absolutely love them. They're like junk food for animals.
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Hey all, I had a thicc ass female Polyphemus eclose today.
I'm leaving her out tonight to try and find a mate. I'll keep you updated if i get a pairing.
Any Moth-ers out here?
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>>2377145
>Blood work is pricey, but it's better to know now that have to deal with it later.
this is true. my dad has chronic lyme disease ( a condition the CDC refuses to acknowledge), he's permanantly disabled now, in the height of his flair he was completely delusional, honestly believed he was a descendant of christ, and never mind the hourly rage attacks

>>2376839
i think that western blot is the test you want. your doctor will probably try to convince you that you dont have it, dont listen. if thats the case, find a lyme literate doctor (NOT AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST)
FYI just because the test comes back negative doesnt mean you dont have it. if your doctor is lyme literate, theyll explain this better than I can
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>>2377281
>Moth-ers
I didn't even know this was a thing. Sounds interesting. How is it done?
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Just wanted to let you guys know that I am still working on that centipede husbandry guide and that I am making slow but steady progress.
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Hey so my rosehair will not molt or eat. When i got her a few months ago her old owner said she'll be molting "any day now" since then she hasnt molted or eaten anything. I know they can go a long ass time wih no food but wtf
Pic related her ignoring the crickets i gave her
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>>2377321
It's very easy.

1. Get moth
2. Make more moth
3. ????
4. MOTH
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>>2377326
Rose hairs are infamous for this stuff. The'll go up to eight months without getting some grub even when pre-molt is not a factor. How long have you had her? Has she gotten the tell-tale dark bald spot yet?

>>2377327
That makes sense, I guess....

But I mean, what is the procedure? What materials are used? I saw some sort of chicken wire fencing in your pic. Do you just keep an open enclosure full of moth pheromones or something?
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>>2377331
Yeah shes had the bald spot on her ass for a couple weeks before i got her and i got her in march
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>>2377326
Show us a better picture of her butt.

From what I see she looks healthy. And Grammostolas are just like that, she can probably go for another half year without food no problem. If you want something that's a better eater you'll have to get a different spider.

>>2377331
That post was just a joke. I have no idea, I don't breed moths. I know that you can order eggs and pupa online and that there are large mesh enclosures for that sort of thing but apart from that I know nothing. It's a pretty big community of people though, I think.
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>>2377333
Ah

yeah, I'd give it about another two months perhaps. All I got is a Zebra who seems like she's on the cusp of pre-molt, what with her flicking random hairs in her enclosure and making small bald splotches on her opithosoma. Rose hairs (and Grammostolas in general) are kind of hard to schedule like that.

>>2377335
Ah, I see.
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>>2377251
>That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
That was my exact reaction when the apparent master of insect diseases gave me my options. Note this was after a variety of pills were shoved into me, to no avail, so I'm thinking he's out of ideas.

And that bee idea sounds like it came from the same mindset as my doctor. Weird, but I can sorta believe it.
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>>2377335
Im not sure what could be holding her up
Indont stress her out at all i leave her be but my room does get pretty cold sometimes so maybe thats the problem?
Its weird because before i got her she was eating biweekly
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>>2377340
>And that bee idea sounds like it came from the same mindset as my doctor. Weird, but I can sorta believe it.

Google it. Try to avoid the kooks.
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>>2377351
How cold?

Yes, lower temperatures slow down their metabolism, which makes them less hungry and less active. You could invest in a small halogen desk lamp and a timer to give her some heat.

But, you know, that's just the reality of keeping a spider. I know it freaks a lot of first time keepers out but your spider looks totally healthy. Be glad you don't have a burrower that decides to close off its burrow and disappear for 4 months.
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Neat, she finally came out, and this time not only to shit on my immaculate glass.

No food for her though, she's alread fat enough.
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>>2377368
purdy purdy.

Is she a P. metallica
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>>2377385
No, P. formosa

That blue/purple shine is only visible under strong direct light. My phone cam isn't very good at capturing it sadly.
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>>2377387
found a pic (not mine) that is much closer to what I actually see
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>>2377391
Ah

She's still super pretty
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>>2377392
Thank you, she is. Seeing her this rarely actually kinda makes it better. It's like a reward for treating your spider well.

The only problem is, you can't just have one pokie. I need more. In fact, I need all of them.
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Pre-molt?
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>>2377321
I did not need this fetish
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>>2377351
That's a fairly large butt. She might be full.
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>>2376154
>Also the whole sending stuff to each other is not something we should discuss on 4chan I think.
agreed

>I'm in the /an/ Discord, you can PM me there
will do
but most likely not this or next week, I have a lot to do currently..


btw, the second Ooth hatched. this time more than 5 nymphs

>absolutely no metallic shine at all yet
sounds interesting, next male adult? or is it a female?
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>>2377427
yes
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MOTH GUY back.
Just woke up at 1:30am to see if anyone came, HUGE male was clinging outside the wire. Just moved them into a smaller enclosure so they can mate.
*The male in the picture is not him, but her brother, i didnt wamt to disturb the process to much but ill post them gettin' it on together in the morning
>>2377331
Moths are super easy creatures to care for.
If youve got a female you can either stick her outside overnight and a male WILL come, she pumps out pheromones and every moth dude within like 10 miles will eventually get a whff and come flocking to find her.
Onece they mate you just let the male go and keep the female until she lays her eggs over the next few days.
Then you can let her go.
Raise the caterpillars in a host plant, once they eclose as moths, rinse and repeat.
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>>2377634
Nevermind, they were fast as fuck.
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>>2377656
BLUE BOARD
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Let's say hypothetically I want to infest a frat house with a large amount of ants. Would purchasing a high amount of carpenter ants and releasing them on the property do the trick?
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>>2377667
it just might, though you may want to put therm somewhere where they can find immediate success. Anywhere with exposed wood, holes in the wall, etc.
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>>2377656
>>2377634
So jealous. I raised Polyphemus moths as a kid, all the way from egg. Been trying to find one lately and I haven't been able to. I feel like as a child they were way more common in my area
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>>2377656

>>2377335
>Show us a better picture of her butt.
l-lewd
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>>2377489
Another male. I think I'll have to wait about a month for the females.

>this time more than 5 nymphs
That's good news. I count 12, is that right?

>>2377745
You know, half of these threads usually talk about mating stuff to each other. This might be the lewdest thread on /an/.
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>got Avicularia purpurea slings a week ago
>all of them refuse to eat anything, no crickets, no roaches, no matter how tiny
>throw in a green bottle fly that is larger than the sling itself out of pure desperation
>10 minutes later it's eating the fly

I'm not sure if I should be upset at myself or the spider. On the one hand it's fucking obvious that you should feed an arboreal spider things like flies, on the other hands all my other Avics (or former Avics) eat crickets and roaches just fine.
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Got a bunch of new inverts today. 2 pairs Anthia sexmaculata, 1 pair Blepharopsis mendica and 3 L3 Pseudocreobotra wahlbergii. Hopefully tomorrow my group of Psytalla horrida arrives.

These guys are pretty fun. Immediately started eating and skitter around or dig nonstop.
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>>2377824
After only half an hour one pair already started mating. Those leg spasms tho.
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>>2377835
And the B. mendica male. Already got some decent green on it.
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>>2377835
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>>2377824
Neat. I kind of want Carabid beetles myself but when I looked into them I read that they didn't do well in captivity and you can't breed them. That was like 10 years ago though.

Is that still true? And if it isn't, what do they need, are they hard to keep?
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>>2377844
I haven't been much into beetles so far. Only kept stags before, but I've wanted to try out predatory beetles for a while. Some sources claim that Anthia larvae require ants. I don't know whether it is absolutely necessary or can be substituted by firebrats or other food, but I hope I get to try out some methods at least.

Adult care doesn't seem very complex. Sandy ground, some hides and around 26°C.

I think tiger beetles of the genus Cicindela have been kept and bred more successfully in captivity.
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>>2377844
>can't breed them

Something tells me otherwise.
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>>2377684
Hm, where do you live.
If you really want to i suppose i could spare you a few eggs.
They keep on giving, like i said, if you raise a female and set her out to call you can get a nice never ending cycle of polys every summer.
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>>2377824
>>2377835
>>2377836
Beautiful insects comrade.
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>>2377849
>Some sources claim that Anthia larvae require ants.
That's what I read too, and from what I've gathered you can't substitute them, as they are quite specific and actually live inside the ant colony itself.

Still, good luck with them. Maybe something else that you tries works. Getting larva seems to not be the problem in this process.
>pic related
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>tfw a shop suddenly has Idolomantis nymphs in stock
I planned on designing a big community tank later, but suddenly seeing them available is tempting. Are they more commonly available during summer or might it be worth to jump on an offer and whip up a few solo enclosures for the time being?
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I just want to say that I'm so happy I've found this general. I've never in my life been on this board in the ten years I've spent on this shitty website.
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>>2378076
>Idolomantis in groups
You can do that?

>Are they more commonly available during summer
Usually, yes. If you're in europe availability is no longer a problem desu, I see them often now.

>or might it be worth to jump on an offer and whip up a few solo enclosures for the time being?
Depends on the price imo
And you will have adults in summer, instead of autumn.
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>>2378155
>You can do that?
A lot of caresheets say that. Makes sense considering they like to go for small flying prey while reaching a considerable size themselves.

>Usually, yes. If you're in europe availability is no longer a problem desu, I see them often now.
Sounds good. I've never kept track of it since I wouldn't have had the means to keep them. Now that it'd be possible I've only seen an offer of a single male in the last month and L2s today, which are already sold out. Guess I'll keep planning so I'm prepared for when L4s start to appear.
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>>2378166
I guess it makes sense, it works kinda like Gongylus then. I just never considered keeping them in groups because of their price. Now that they're (relatively) cheap I might actually get some in the future.

>L2s today, which are already sold out
Welp. Guess the demand is still there, even though the supply has gone up. You should be able to get them at expos in summer, if you show up early.
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>>2378147
How did you find it then?

Also what inverts do you keep?
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>>2373403
>Invertebrates
How long can a few ghosts shrimps survive in a medium size jar of lake water?
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>>2378186

Nothing yet, though I'd like to keep some cute snails.

I'm pretty new to all of this--more of a history/philosophy person. I've been terrified of "bugs" for most of my life; but after seeing so many things in hentai and sci-fi, I've overcome my phobia somewhat, and now I just want to learn more about them.

Is there any kind of central hub you guys have with resources and stuff? Recommended reads of fiction and nonfiction?

Just last year I read a neat story about sentient spiders that develop a technological civilization. Children of Time by Tchaikovsky. Not sure if that's a popular read on here or not.
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>>2378147
Seconding this. I didn't know what I was missing in my life until I started collecting hairy spiders
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>>2378246
>though I'd like to keep some cute snails.


Good choice. They're a bit more demanding than some other inverts but cute as hell and very rewarding. GALS (giant african land snails) are illegal in the US though, afaik. Might only be in the southern states where they actually could become invasive though. Maybe someone in this thread from the US knows.

>after seeing so many things in hentai and sci-fi
>in hentai
pic related

Nah, it's cool, I liked MGQ too. Only for the plot though, obviously.

>Is there any kind of central hub you guys have with resources and stuff?
arachnoboards for spiders, scorpions and some other inverts
mantidforum.net for mantids

And I'm sure there are many others, but I don't know all the big english sites for this as I'm german. For some reason Germany is like this center of exotic pet keeping so there are a ton of good sites and databases in german, so I never had to use english literature to inform myself.

>Recommended reads of fiction and nonfiction?
The Ants by Holldobler and Wilson
or The Leafcutter Ants: Civilization by Instinct, by the same authors.

The first one is as expensive as it is extensive and quite scientific and a bit dry, the second is written in a more approachable style and newer but not as extensive of course. These books, especially the first one, will change your outlook on the natural world as a whole.

And if you're not into bugs they might as well be fiction. It's not though, and that's why they're amazing
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I found a bright orange A. nasatum today. Anyone seen these before? I'm thinking if I can find some more I might be able to breed them for the color.
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>>2378433
Do you like tomatoes?
If so, crush the little bastard.
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>>2378446
No garden, so I don't mind them. All they do is hide in my firewood.
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>>2378289

Thanks a lot, anon. I live in Romania so I don't think authorities give much of a fuck about enforcing laws about this sort of of stuff, so long as the critter passes the border (more likely to take me to forced confession and have me repent).

Is it true that snails get very smelly? Saw a comment on YouTube to that effect. I've read a few guides that said caring for them can be a pain (because you have to get rid of their eggs constantly) but none that said anything about smell. I don't mind putting in the hours, but invasive odors permeating the home would be a problem.
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>>2378646
Not him, but I think the smell can be prevented/countered by regularly taking out their poop, as well as having a cleanup crew of springtails/woodlice/worms in the tank.
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>>2378649

I don't mind cleaning so that should be okay.

>having a cleanup crew of springtails/woodlice/worms

Do these just live off the poop, or?...
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>>2378662
>Do these just live off the poop, or?...
Poop, food rests, rotting stuff, mold. They don't require any additional care.
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>>2373513
that's absurdly cute
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>>2378662
They live off everything that dies in there, as well as mold spores. Having a cleanup crew reduces your maintenance by 95% and any smell to 0.
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>>2378662
keep in mind that everything they eat is digested and their waste becomes nutrients available for plants in your vivarium
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Happening now: sinensis completing shed
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Does anyone on here collect framed specimens?
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>>2378838
Yes, but I prefer to pin and set them myself.
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>>2378856
wow, fantastic looking collection, and great pin work. Im waiting on a shipment of shadow boxes and dried insects to start my own, although I plan to sell mine
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>>2378838
I've got a few. Here's an Idolomantis, though the coloration of live ones faded away.
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>>2378856
perhaps you could tell my why your C. elaphus is such a vibrant gold color while mine is a darker bronze (looks black in photo)
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>>2378860
Thank you. I'm much better with beetles than with butterflies, those look horrible.

I have run out of room for my Buprestidae though, they're just sitting wrapped up in a closet now, which is kinda sad.
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>>2378865
There are different color forms iirc. If you just bought it as C. elaphus they always send you the rather dull brown ones.

I'd have to consult my documentation to find out which one I have in there.
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>>2378868
>they always send you the rather dull brown ones
that explains it. It looked like it was made of gold in the picture
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>>2378871
Well I looked it up but did not find anything special. It's from Sumatra, Indonesia and I got it from this supplier: insect-sale.com

Only had good experiences with this guy so far.

It might also be because of the light, that image was in sunlight.
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>>2378836
they grow fast

how big are they now?
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>>2378897
here (s)he is after the molt, hard to tell over the picture but in person theres a big size increase
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>>2378902
olde pic
>>2378866
i ordered 8 butterflies/moths, thinking theyd sell quicker, 5 beetles, a dead leaf mantis, and a P. struthioneus stick insect. i thought variety would be good but now I'm thinking I should have done more beetles. I like them much more anyway. you should post your butterfly collection, I'd like to see
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>>2378902
It's crazy how much size they gain upon molting.
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>>2378905
is that a D. lobata?
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>>2378909
Extatosoma tiaratum
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>>2378911
so that's not a mantis at all is it?
I'm unfamiliar with these, what are they like to keep?
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>>2378915
Phasmids, so related to stick insects and walking leafs. E. tiaratum is really easy to keep since they eat bramble, which grows everywhere where I live and stays green during winter, but also oak or beech.

Just like mantids, they need tall tanks with enough space for molting. Like many phasmids they are capable of parthenogenesis, so a single adult female is enough to start a clone army of them.
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>>2378903
>i ordered 8 butterflies/moths
hope you have the right tools to set them, and even with them it's a pain in the ass

maybe I just suck, as you can see in the picture
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>>2378922
>that sneaky mantis
Is that a Hymenopus male?
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>>2378925
Yeah. I still have the female and some other bugs that I haven't had the time to set yet, or a place to put them. This photo is old too, I have no idea where I put them.
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>>23789personally i think they look great, maybe I dont know what to look for. acide from light tracing paper, spade tipped forceps, and pins what else would I need?
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>>2378932
You need a relaxing box (which you can easily build yourself) and a setting board such as the one in the picture, preferably with an adjustable groove. You don't want the wings to be parallel to the ground, as that overstretches them and just looks bad in general, so that is why it's angled. You can build one yourself too, out of styrofoam but it's a bit of a pain.
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Are thete any more inverts besides arachnids, scorpions, centipedes and millipedes that live for years?
Mantids' lifespan makes me sad.
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>>2378942
snails, assasin bugs actually live for 2 to 3 years, ants (as a colony) can get quite old too

scorpions are actually arachnids too, btw
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>>2378942
That's why you breed them. You'll always have some and watching them go from egg to adults is great.
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>>2378942
hissing roaches, (hermit) crabs, snails, ant queens
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>>2378941
forgot about the relaxing box, ill be building one of those soon. i thought I'd make the setting board myself as well, but if theyre that tricky ill probably just order one. thanks for the help, Ill update you when I get them set up, im sure Ill see you in later threads

>>2378948
the lifespan of a mantis can be sad, but the upside is that youll have the opportunity to work with several species within a few years, and I find that to be a huge upside over long lived species!
speaking of lifespan, these little guys just began theirs, as they hatched this morning on my azalea bush. needless to say I'm ecstatic!
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>>2378951
I'll have 3 mantids to myself this year, never bred before but thats the plan. any tips on preventing cannibalism while mating?
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>>2378959
>any tips on preventing cannibalism while mating?
feed the female before adding the male until she is full
if needed, make sure she eats something while the male is approaching

not needed for every species tho. which one do you have?
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>>2378956
How cute. I hope they'll stay around so you can watch them grow.

>>2378959
Both partners should be well fed and well into their adult life. Before putting them together you should have observed both of them spraying pheromones at least once.
Introduce the male to the female and not the other way around and give them a large enough enclosure so that the male can esacpe. Mantis mating can take a long time so you probably won't be there the exact moment when they separate. The best thing would be to do it in freely in a room, maybe on a plant at a window but that carries its own risk.

>3 mantids to myself this year
Only 3? At what size are you getting them? Only getting 3 could be a bit risky, especially for beginners.
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>>2378959
Mating cannibalism is pretty overblown imo. The only case I've had where a female eat a male was among P. paradoxa where I've kept the male for weeks in the tank and it was about to die of old age. Gnawed its own legs off and aimlessly walked around the tank nonstop, so it got caught at some point. Just feed the female well and give her something right before you let him jump on. Then stand ready for a bit in case she does try to grab him. The risk should be pretty low though.
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>>2378966
>Mating cannibalism is pretty overblown imo.
:/

heavily depends on the species, and often the individual mantis as well
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>>2378965
>Only 3? At what size are you getting them?
Actually I hatched about 80 of them, gave many away and set many free. Now I have four in their 4th instar, (one is for my cousin) so I have high hopes for their survival. I have had a mantis before who lived until january
theyre also T. sinensis so care couldn't be any easier. I do appreciate the heads up though
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>>2378976
I'm not sure if that species is a good indicator for that. As far as I know you have to separate them at L2 because of how aggressively cannibalistic they are and the adults supposedly try going for fingers. Most other species are a bit more relaxed.
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>>2378980
what species?
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>>2378990
Plistospilota guineensis, I think.
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>>2378838
>>2378866
Collection post. Nothing tropical just things I've caught myself. I have another box with other insects but they're much more drab.
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>>2379036
>when you forget the picture...
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>>2379043
those are still very nice, even if they're not tropical

got any moths? there are some really spectacular ones
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>>2379064
Just those three in the bottom middle. Ive been meaning to make a moth trap and set it up some night but i haven't gotten around to it.
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>>2375277

The giant leaf insects are all female, so they breed like crazy without needing to mate, eat very specific plants, and have no natural predators in the US.

Mantis are the one case where I don't think there's a problem. They predate themselves, eat whatever so they don't target a specific population, are touchy about climate, actually protect plants, and they're harmless to predators. They also coexist with native species, since the US has several native species and several introduced species, and they both have healthy populations.
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>>2375052
>>2375055
Man these are cool.

I have a crippling phobia of millipedes but I'm ok with these ones since they look nothing like our garden ones.
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>>2379119
what about this one?
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How slow would you guys say Grammostola pulchra slings grow? Deciding if I should drop 50 bucks on two small ones now or rather wait and get a bigger spider eventually.
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>>2379131
That's metal as fuck.
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>>2379170
It gets better. They constantly excrete Hydrogen cyanide.
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>>2374075

Man. I really dig you people. These /invert/ threads active these days?
Back when I tried to frequent /an/ years back it was DEAD
Big fan of /Homegrown/
... I'm also rather keen on fungus.

Just moved into a better Living situation looking to aquire a plethora of many legged critters. I want to start breeding. Sick of working for the man. Just want to grow mushrooms and breed spiders.
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>>2379200
>Man. I really dig you people. These /invert/ threads active these days?

We have about two or three per month, half a day between posts are not unusual. I don't know if you consider that active or dead, but as far as /an/ goes it's a pretty active thread for such a slow board.

>... I'm also rather keen on fungus.
Uh oh, combinations of inverts and fungus usually don't end up so great.
I'm kidding, just looking for an excuse to post Cordyceps pictures.

>plethora of many legged critters
What do you think about getting?

Also any reason you linked that post in particular?
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>>2375520

Because they are beautifully fantastic creatures. Thousands of spectacular species. They are real life Pokémon evolving from nymph to adult and whatnot.

They're just super rad man. Hella sweet horns, pinchers, suckers, stingers And moving mouth parts.
Man, I wish I had some moving mouth parts
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>>2377824
So, did you get your assassins?

Are you not replying because they killed you already?
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>>2379131
This one's cool too because it resembles a caterpillar. I don't like the black ones. Which is a shame because they're the largest and the most peaceful and easy to keep.
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>>2379244
Heh, the package got sent yesterday, so they are supposed to arrive tomorrow.
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>>2379247
What about big and red ones?
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>>2379249
That's the B. mendica, right?

Those have been on my wish list for a long time now, mabye it's time to get some finally. I still kinda want Heterochaeta more though.

>Heh, the package got sent yesterday, so they are supposed to arrive tomorrow.
Be careful when unboxing them, they can get a bit pissy. After they've settled in they are very peaceful though. Too peaceful. Tell us when you get the feeling they're plotting something, because that's the impression I get from mine.
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>>2379247
>black cute turd with legs is scary
>spiny pink creature that looks like it crawled straight out of hell and also releases deadly chemicals constantly is "cool"

sometimes phobias are just weird man
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>>2379255
>That's the B. mendica, right?
Yeah, I've somehow overlooked that species for a long time. I'm excited for their adult colors.

Heterochaeta are an amazing choice though. I regret that I've only casually kept them instead of going for a bigger breeding group. Would be worth another try in the future.
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>>2379262
Yeah, I really some Heterochaeta and I could get L3s for a reasonable price but I just don't have the room or the enclosure for them. I'd need to buy a screen cage first and then I'd have nowhere to put it.
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>>2379272
*really want

Should probably go to bed.
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>>2377836
Word dude. I have two. Their stripes are a light brown now at L3 or 4.
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>>2373403
What is the average wingspan of a grasshopper?
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>>2379372
You are aware there are about ten thousand species of "grasshopper", right?
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Alright /an/ I have a plastic tub about 1 foot cubed, what can I put in there that wont kill me.
I live in England.
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>>2379386
Any preferences? Because you can put a lot of things in there and I only have 1500 characters per post so I don't feel like making a list spanning multiple posts.
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>>2379393
Preferably something that I can see and hold. I don't like spiders and don't have a heat mat or any of that expensive stuff. I would prefer it if I could go out and grab something to put in there but I don't know what. I was thinking crickets or grasshoppers but I don't know if I could find them. There are a few ant nests up the back of my garden if anything eats them I can harvest them.
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>>2379398
>Preferably something that I can see and hold.
Mantis or stick insect sound like what you want. Both are also very cheap and low maintenance.

>don't have a heat mat or any of that expensive stuff
and it better stay that way because heat mats are shit and you shouldn't buy anything at pet stores for inverts anyway since it is always overpriced and unnecessary

>I would prefer it if I could go out and grab something to put in there but I don't know what.
Hate to break it to you but the British Isles in general are just not very good for interesting invertebrates. The ice age fucked you and most stuff never returned.

>I was thinking crickets or grasshoppers but I don't know if I could find them
They're tiny at this time of year and will be a lot of work. And the native ones don't get very big either.

>There are a few ant nests up the back of my garden
Ants are actually very interesting pets, but I can't help you with them, I'm not an ant keeper.

>if anything eats them I can harvest them
Nothing really does and they're not good food.
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>>2379401
Alright I'll look into mantis and stick insects. Thanks.
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>>2379403
Come back here with any questions you might have once you've done your research, I'm sure someone will answer.

Also don't fall for any "you have to buy the special X and Y" shit. All you need for both of them is a box to put them in, some mesh for ventilation, some twigs, maybe a small desk lamp for heat and food.

Also also, you will see some cool shit but stick to the beginner species and do your research about those. You can move up to more advanced stuff if you feel like it after you've collected a bit of experience. Thankfully both mantids and stick insects grow fast so that doesn't take long.

Sphodromantis and most Hierodula species for mantids. Or Phyllocrania paradoxa if you want something different (but they're pretty small).

And for Phasmids, uh, I'm a bit out of my depth here but I think Peruphasma schultei was a good beginner one. Right guys?
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Nice molt dude, I'm going to have to stop calling you "tripod."
How many more molts do you guys think it'll take for the leg to be the same size as the rest? 2?
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guys wtf is this thing?
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>>2379480
Moth pupa.
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>>2379453
my mantis lost a leg after get first molt and she didnt completely regenerate it for 4 molts or so. it was almost complete by the 3rd one but it was slightly shorter so she sorta waddled around for a bit.
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>>2379480
Your destiny.
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>>2379253
Scary but not as scary as the black ones. The more it resembles a typical garden millipede the scarier it is.

>>2379259
I'm not scared of centipedes either, I've picked them up.
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The P. horrida are here! Sadly one tried to molt into an adult during transport and got stuck. Only got two fully functional legs and one functional but tarsus-less. Dunno if he'll get by by leeching off food from his mates or die soon. The rest of the group seems to be in great condition though.
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Apparently I also have only a single male A. sexmaculata and three females. He's been mating with short interruptions for the last two days and has started to stress the female by being constantly horny. Since nothing happened in the other tank I decided to put him in after he was done mating for the second time today and lo and behold, it took one minute until he mounted one of the other females. Gotta keep him seperate after he's done.
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>>2379623
living the dream
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>>2379453
I'd guess about 3. What instar is it?

Also you should be able to sex them from L5 onwards.
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How much do you think our inverts notice what is going on outside? Seasons or thunderstorms for example.

I just saw all of my Avic slings retreating into their nets, and I can see a thunderstorm rolling in on the horizon. Normally they stay at least halfway out all day. Got me thinking.
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>>2379640
I'm pretty sure that it's L5.
Hatched as 1
2 successful molt
3 lost a leg
4 scab turns into nodule
5 current gimpy leg

For a chinese mantis males and females will have how many segments?
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>>2379723
It was 8 and 6 segments I think.
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Finally got my shit together and made a new video.

What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJ0NdVqFmY
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>>2379742
Neat. The fiddling around 1:20 is hilarious.

Female P. regius are the cutest Phiddies. They look so fucking stupid I just want to hug them.
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>>2379621
>Sadly one tried to molt
same shit happened to me today

got a few Schizocephala bicornis nymphs today
two of the five molted during transit. fuck me, why do I always have bad luck?


also, here are some P. bolivari nickelsi juveniles. Can't wait to see the adults
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>>2379621
>>2379775
Now you guys are making me paranoid. I have some spiders coming tomorrow.


>P. bolivari nickelsi
Got any pictures of what they look like as adults? Google gives me nothing.
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>>2379782
here is a pic of an adult
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>>2379742
Your jumper is so freaking cute.
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>>2379236
>Uh oh, combinations of inverts and fungus usually don't end up so great.

Unless it's termites, then they're like tiny gardeners.
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>>2379786
Incredibly cute.

I'll get some P. bolivari eventually, when I can find them. P. expansus is another one I want to get at some point.

How hard are they to keep, compared to some other isopods?
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>>2379374
Doesn't matter how many grasshoppers there are, you can still work out the average - just add up all the wingspans, and divide by the number of grasshoppers, multiply by the square root of ten, then you have the average.
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>>2379386
A cup of tea. You can probably stuff some fish and chips in there too. And a folded up photograph of the Queen.
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Tips for keeping a productive fruitfly colony? My first got to hot sitting in sunlight and the paste turned dark, pretty sure it got a bacterial infection.
I've been keeping the second one out of sunlight and in a cubby to keep the yeast more competitive than any bacteria, but the paste still turned dark and I'm noticing mold.
I'm resigned to buying a third, but I gotta make these things last longer.
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>>2379795
they are not that easy to care for
If you are not that experienced with isopods/invertebrates, I'd suggest you try some of the easyer spanish Isopods first, like P. haasi

here is a pic of one of my female P. haasi "giant"
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Does anyone know what these buggers might be called? They always come out in spring and they can be found along the sidewalk. They always seem to be going around connected as two, or they're gathered up in a huge mass in a sun patch.
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yo get in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFJ21xpxYak
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>>2380514
firebug, Pyrrhocoris apterus
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>>2380524

>firebug, Pyrrhocoris apterus

You are based. Thank you.
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Just got a mature male for my P. formosa female. Turns out she's probably not adult, as the male is slightly bigger than her. I'd guess she needs one molt to catch up to him in size and another one to surpass him.

How long do you guys think that would take? I keep her pretty warm, 25-27C during the day, around 22 at night.
The males ultimate molt was in february btw, so he's still pretty yound.
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>>2380671
*young
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Do you guys like my crayfish?
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>>2380758
It's a very nice crayfish.

What species?
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>>2380819
I have no idea.

I've posted pics before and some said it was a marbled cray. Others said it's not. Others said it is impossible to tell just by looking at it.

It came from Arkansas in a goldfish shipment. It doesn't really look like any native species, but it doesn't really look like a marbled either. It has molted twice and retained those tiny pincers though.
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Anyone here keep A. vulgare? I have an A. nasatum colony that's thriving, but these guys just won't take off and few have died. Are their humidity or ventilation needs different?
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>>2380872
Is it true they can't breathe if you don't keep them super humid?
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>>2379775
I just had a near miss like that with my mantids. Yesterday morning I had to take them on a car trip and even dropped the cups they're in, but this morning one molted just fine
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>>2376325
Heh, nigger
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>>2380883
I'm pretty sure they can still breathe, but they will die in relatively short amount of time without moisture.
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I made a friend.
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>>2381056
>those two tiny eyes
>that THICC butt

10/10 spooder, would cuddle
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>>2381056
Bah, that's the one type of spider that I can't stand. Abdomins swollen and stretched and bald. That with spindly legs makes it look like it's going to pop. The colors are nice though, for black widows and the like it's just all terrible.
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>>2381069
>Implying black widows don't have nicer colours than most orbweavers
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>>2380903
you are lucky then


also, forst Droso catch
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>>2381212
and now the're sharing
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>>2380671
Is it possible he senses the female in the enclosure next to him? He's been drumming his little heart out the entire night.
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>>2373403
>kamenriderOOO.jpg
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>>2373403
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Ayyy, i have gotten an Eastern tent Cali from outside and it finally made its cocoon. Anyone have an idea how long it takes to become moth? I'm curious. Moths are cute buggos.
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>>2381549
Takes two to three weeks.

You're aware these are considered pests, right?

Still cute though desu
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I got your message on Discord btw, sorry for not answering sooner. Check your friend requests as well.
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>>2381797
https://discord.gg/wuxhgJd
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>>2381542
katydids are evil
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Scorpion or tarantula? Had a rosehair when I was in highschool and she was a sweety, really dig the web aesthetic, but scorpions are bad ass
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>>2382074
Can't make your preferences for you, my dude.

Whatever you like, you like.
If you like scorpiobros, you'll get a scorpiobro. If you like spiderbros, you'll get a spiderbro.
Or maybe you could even get both, if you've got the dosh
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Hot or not for a M. balfouri?

I'm reading conflicting information. Some people keep them at like 86F/30C, saying it just gets that hot where they're from and they grow faster that way, others keep them at room temp saying it's not actually that hot in their burrow.

I'm conflicted, does anyone here know?
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>>2382110
Oh boy he (I'm pretty sure it's a he) just molted as well. Gonna let him relax for a bit and then take a few pictures. He's stunning.
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>>2382150
And here he is. I promise I didn't fuck with the colors.
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>tfw when some giant flips over your rock
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>>2382195
is very purdy spooder
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>>2382195
>>2382200
Very awesome.
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>>2382196
Time for new thread, but there's still room for pics ITT.
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>>2382264
I have a few pics I can post.

Here's this dudes >>2382195 leg
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>>2382294
Sorry if I'm spamming, I just can't get over how great he looks.
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Anyone know what kind of Leaf-footed bug (Coreidae) I found in eastern nebraska yeaterday? It sure loves my sweet potato, but all the sap suckers love all my nightshades...
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>>2382305
Pink chinese grow light shut off and a different angle
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Anyone know some actually good invert youtubers to watch?

Most of the big ones are all about tarantulas and totally shit.
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>>2382195
Fabulous, darling
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>>2382320
Unfortunately, all I know are T channels, and the only one that is still good/credible after Rob C threw in the towel is Jon3800, and half the time he's busy with REVII let's plays.
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>>2382294
>>2382295
It is awesome.
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>>2382305
>>2382307
Acanthocephala terminalis
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>>2382320
AntsCananda
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>>2382320
[spoiler]"the spiderman" once he stops killing all his inverts[/spoiler]
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>>2381081
widows are orb weavers.
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NEW THREAD
>>2382742
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>>2382683
I hope that extra chromosome is comfy in there.
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>>2375045
I'd pay to see those IRL
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