Post things that make you go REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Anyone remember the key chain turtles? My brother went to china town and bought two of them to open them up. I don't see them in America much anymore though

>>2354723
the fuck is that?

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>>2354724
They are baby turtles and baby lizards put in water with nutrients in it to keep them alive a little longer. They were used as key chains, they used to be like $2 a pop or something. People (chinks) would buy them and wear it as a key chain or whatever until they died. In America I think people mostly bought them, opened them up and then let them die in their critter carrier.

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>>2354730
>(chinks) would buy them and wear it as a key chain or whatever until they died

That is so ludicrously evil im having trouble believing it

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ree

>>2354695
From the thumbnail in the catalog I thought it was a big spider in there.

>>2354740
>rare treat
>4 out of 5 get it
>>rare

Working in the pet industry

>>2354730
>>2354723
This is why we need complete genocide of chinks
They are extremely cruel soulless monsters who are a plague on this planet

>>2354758
They're also basically jewer than jews.

Every cat thread on /an/

> "I force my cat to live in incredibly stressful conditions without a litterbox. It pisses and shits everywhere for no reason why is it such a bitch?"

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>>2354735
I wish it wasn't true

>>2354732
If you think that is bad, see pic

>>2354730
>people
>chinks

Pick one.

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>>2354732
>>2354775

>>2354775
>>2354784
There is no opening for food inside the aquarium bowl, also the fish can escape and jump out to their death because the waterfall valve and good luck with getting the dead fish out of there

>>2354784
>>2354732
>current year
>people are still misinformed about fish
why even fucking live

>>2354776
I choose to recognize neither anon

>>2354730
We're these ever sold in the US? Between NYC, Philly and all the fairs I've been too I've seen them being sold in tiny containers and people winning iguanas as prizes but I've never seen them in a keychain or sealed, airless package.

>>2354743
I got an English Bulldog pup, seems to be incredibly healthy, and I kind of want to sell his seed. Got the family tree and everything, so I know his health is legit. Is it still amoral to breed him to help the breed itself get healthier, or am I just fooling myself?

>>2354986
Bulldogs are fucking monsters and you should put that beast down before her rips your face off while you fleep.

>>2354735
>china
These are the same people that harvest bear bile for "traditional medicine"

>>2354740
I dont even know why people get dogs if they never want to walk them.
I'm afat fuck and I walk my dog every day unless its fucking pouring. Little dude wont even go out if its raining too hard.
Walking a dog on a nice day is a very enjoyable activity.

>>2355052
They harvest like the one good bear (moon bear). Fucking chinks are soulless.

>>2354723
>>2354730
What the fucking fuck fuck

>>2355048
>fleep
is that like fapping while you're asleep

is that a common bulldog trigger

>>2355179
kwak

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>>2355178
It gets better. If you think fish bowls are bad
>>2354748
To be fair I bet 3/5 dog owners lied about how often they walk their dogs

this bullshit general "consensus"among people that dogs are idiots and don't mind being treated like shit. They're incredibly smart. But nah brodie you don't have to clip their nails or clean their teeth or feed them correctly or take them on walks or play with them or keep their collar loose enough to breathe or even have a fucking doggy door but rage and hit him when he shits in the house because nobody was there all day to let him out while you were at work. the average dog owner is a mental fucking DEGENERATE.

>>2355210
This bothers me too.
Whenever I see a chokechain I want to choke the owner and ask them how it feels.

I treat my dog (lab/hound mix, mostly lab) better than I treat people.
He doesn't wear a collar unless I'm taking him to the vet. I have 40 acres of property for him to run around and explore.
He's trained well enough that he just walks by my side without a leash, I have a leash and harness incase I take him somewhere that has leash bylaws.
Never ever hit him, only praised him for doing the right thing and now he is one of the most well behaved dogs ive ever known.
He is 10 yrs old now and starting to show his old age. It makes me sad to think that he only has 1or 2 years left in life.

>>2354743
This

>tfw my dog with balls has never sprayed, never humped anyone, and is super sweet
>tfw the neutered dog is a cunt, pisses on things all the time, and humps as much as he can

>>2355048
>English bulldog
>fucking monster

I think you're confusing two breeds anon
The English bulldog couldn't reach the bed while you slept, or jump onto it, and might die halfway if he tried.

>>2354986
English bulldogs are such a fucked up and unhealthy breed that there's no way you can fuck them up by breeding your dog
Honestly they should not exist any longer

>>2355052
Don't forget the rhinos, the elephants, the whales, the dolphins, sharks, pangolins (and their fetus), boiling dogs alive, skinning fur animals alive...

>house rabbit
and
>shock collar (or "e-collar" now)

Both get on my tits. There's all sorts of pets I'd like to own one day, but I know even with plenty of time and money I can't truly give them the very best life they deserve; meanwhile goober and family have a fucking Tegu in the cupboard living off crackers.

>>2354758
it's just indifference
like americans are indifferent to the suffering of battery hens

Clipping bird wings.
Declawing cats.

>>2354723
Sickening

>>2355253
>house rabbits
What's so bad about having a pet rabbit?

>>2355262
Clipping wings is very useful and can actually allow your birb more freedom than otherwise. An unclipped parrot could get startled and fly into a window, ceiling fan, pot on the stove etc, while a wing clip allows you to have it out of the cage to roam without worrying too much for its safety. Not to mention the feathers simply grow back if you let them, unlike declawing.

>b-but the bird can't fly like it was meant to!
keeping a bird as a pet is why it can't fly. Clipped birds can fly enough to land safely if they fall or jump from a high space, and that's enough.

>>2355262
clipping bird wings isn't a big deal. The bird feels nothing. its like a haircut, the wings molt back.

>>2354758

> Hurr durr lets kill lots of people cuz a picture hurt my feelings.

Lol pathetic wannabe Kim Jong un

>>2355345
I thought clipping bird wings meant literally clipping the flesh off so they couldn't fly.

Thanks for clarifying anon, that makes me feel better about pet birds.

>>2355262
What about letting a declawed cat torture a clipped-wings bird

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Y'all thought fish bowls were bad, check out my new kicks.

>>2355412
There are actually different procedures, clipping as i know it is brutal and traumatizing for the birb. I groom my parrot and trim his flight feathers length wise staying away from the calamus

>>2355418
Ever see those ones in China that was a living pig fetus kept alive by machine mounted in platform boots?

>>2354730
>People (chinks)
*savages

>>2355345
>being unattentative and unwilling to make your house bird safe

Not a good combination for owning parrots. P. typical you'd be advocating wing clipping. Enjoy your future tragedy.

>>2355253
What's wrong with having a rabbit in your house? I can't imagine caging a rabbit all the time or having one in the backyard.

>>2355443
Rabbits in the backyard are livestock.

>b-b-b-but muuuuhh naturrrrr

Enjoy your mites.

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>>2354732
>>2354775
>>2354784

>>2355446
I was assuming we were talking about pet rabbits, not livestock. I know some people still keep their rabbits outside.

>>2354723
I've never heard of those.
Thank fucking God it is illegal to sell them outside of a pet store where I live.

>>2354743
You better fucking keep your dog behind a fence and control what females/males they get with.

>Expecting your dog to not have sexual urges and not putting a dog diaper on females in heat.

>Not controlling who your dog fucks so a slightly too small female is forced to have a puppy abortion or her and her pups will all die

Reeee

>My dog is a year old, has never been groomed, brushed, and has never had its nails trimmed.
>So like, is this going to take very long?

>Would you mind fixing my years worth of neglect, and if you tell me it will take more than a hour, or you cant do the haircut I want, I'm going to throw a fit.

>I've never brushed him, and I never want to, but I want him to have long hair.

>What do you mean you refuse to groom him because he needs a surgical blade to remove the hair and needs to be under anastasia by a vet?

Oh, the reeee I wish I could scream every day at work.

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When dogs literally live on a fucking 6 foot lead outside. Or worse, they live on a 2 foot lead inside. I've seen both. Very sad

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>Legs fall off when stressed.
>Need humidity to breath or they will suffer.
>Water with chlorine burns their gills.
>Need substrate to bury themselves in or they will die because they can't molt.
>They heat up their shells to get them to crawl out of theirs and run into a painted one.
>If paint is too fresh they can stick to it and die.
>Paint is toxic and if eaten they will die.

Fuck the pet industry for marketing these as easy pets a child can care for.

Fuck the pet industry for not releasing books with real information about them. I had to scour the Internet to find how to give mine a actual good life.

Reeeee

>>2355502
This.
I took one off my neice because my brother was moving.
It had a painted shell and was living in an almost completely dry environment.

I built a nice habitat for it and since I live in the country my water is chlorine free well water.

>>2355502
>>2355504

What the fuck. Never seen these (UK), but you're a good egg anon.

>>2355501
Where I'm from farmers always keep their dogs like this, outside often without proper shade against the BLAZING summer sun and on occasion I've seen them without proper water.
It's downright shameful but legally there is nothing anyone can do about it.

>>2354723
>>2354730
Ive seen this shit in here in south korea, though one morning I heard that a person near my area selling them got arrested

>>2355490
one of my dogs refuses to ever get brushed so i bought a high-powered buzzer razor to shear her every couple months.

somehow she tolerates the razor but not a brush. go figure. incidentally she looks like some kind of poodle old english sheepdog mix. no idea what she actually is, the shelter certainly didn't know, but sheared she looks like a washed out dalmatian.

>all these faggots who probably never kick their dog

>>2355253
keeping a rabbit outside is dangerous, and they can die of overheating or being too cold, can die from fright, and rarely get the socialization they need from being outside which can kill them from depression. Indoor house rabbits are the best option for pet breeds. Or do you keep your rabbit in a tiny cage all day and just hate the rest of us for treating our buns like they should be treated?

If a home is bunny-proofed, theyre given good food etc and they are given outside time then the bun is most likely happy.

>>2355558
t. soon to be dead pitbull owner

>>2355567
>implying 6-month-old mutts are pit bulls
>or capable of killing someone

>>2355568
What kind of mutt anon?

>>2355560
>not having yard rabbits
Your loss anon

>>2355570
Uhh...
A mutt, idk
Some mix of a brown and black dog
Haha fucking niggerdogs

>>2355436
What? i need sauce on this

>>2355456
Maybe it could work for things like sea monkeys

>be a smol kid
>tell my mom i want a pet hamster
>go to a local pet shop
>stoked af
>get in the pet shop
>see dead hamsters
>dont get any because theyre fucking dead

really makes you want to kys yourself

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>>2355442

I clipped my bird's wings for the longest time and he was super affectionate, always wanting to play on his table top and explore his room.

One time I let him molt and get his flight feathers back (after some training to ease him into the fact that he can now fly) and he was a nervous wreck. You would cough and he would fly into the wall. It always seemed like he was on edge so I slowly clipped his wings back to how they were and now he's back to being a carefree cageless bird.

Muah anecdote, but clipping is not a black and white issue.

pic related. My "future tragedy"

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Why even buy the fucking thing if you can only afford to stick it in a shitty box all day

I'm thankful the only pet store I've been to in years actually let the birds play with the toys on the wall and wander. One African Grey seemed keen on sneaking out behind us, but we picked a cockatiel. When we carried him out the entire store started hollering. I'm now too scared to even enter a different store from all the horror stories.

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>calling species breeds

>>2354758
You do realize there are plenty of Chinese animal rights activists right? They are pretty brutal and commit vigilante justice on the streets if they find out someone abused animals.

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>>2355656
Because it is cool to own a cool thing. This is pretty much the attitude of most invertebrate or reptile owner. Those animals are not for affection, they are a decoration /collection. They just like knowing that they OWN a particular thing that they think is cool

>>2355668
But its not cool its stupid as fuck
Affectionate or not they deserve a real enclosure

>>2355668
t. mammalfag
most of the owners own them because they love them. stop assuming retarded high schoolers are the majority of pet owners

>>2355672
Yeah but that enclosure is way too fuckig small
The poor snek can't even stretch out

>>2355672
>most of the owners own them because they love them.
Um, did you just assume my motive?

>>2355654
>I conditioned my bird to learn to not fly
>Suddenly, I let him fly again
>HURR HE NERVOUS THAT MEAN HE SCARED

People like you shouldn't be allowed to own any animals.

>>2355645
>kys yourself
Kill yourself yourself?

>>2355418
the 70's disco era was a mistake

Nowadays, those kinds of shoes only have fake fish in them

>>2355685
its a meme

>>2355689
oh shit. i'm the dip.

>>2355238
Same here. No collar unless we're walking or going out. I've never hit him but scolded him for doing things he at this point knows he shouldn't (getting in the trash, etc) but it's never been even yelling like most people seem to.

>>2355691
its ok its a pretty obscure meme and i often just look like an idiot

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>>2355694
Off yourself.
>>>/reddit/

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>>2355728
its a kpg meme faggot

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>>2355732
>kpg

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>>2355740
yeah so, i like cute girls fuck off

Sorry guys I was just kidding
Sometimes I do mean things for no reason

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>that one study where they put a rubber snake in the road
>people swerved to hit it
>one lady stopped with the tire on it, then peeled out
>one dude actually got out and tried to shoot it too before he was stopped by the people running the study
more?
>pouring gasoline down "rattlesnake" burrows, killing gopher torts, indigo snakes, etc.
>rattlesnake roundups
>"Burmese pythons are the sp00kiest invasive species in Florida guys they eat your outdoor cats"
>reading about how rattlesnakes are rattling less and less nowadays because the quiet ones sometimes get left alone
>people who feed pet snakes (not ones that'll eventually be rereleased) live prey
>less than 200 Aruba island rattlesnakes remaining
>hey let's donate this huge chunk of the island to preserve these invasive donkeys lol
>"snake was fasting to eat someone"
>le only good snek is ded snek lmao
Any kind of mindless anti snake violence makes my blood boil. You wouldn't go out of your way to hit a wolf, why go out of your way to hit a snake? Because it's smaller? Because it takes them half an hour to cross a road because they're rightfully terrified of cars? Snakes don't deserve all the shit they get. I actually got mad typing this out.
Honorable mention to pet owners who just abandon/release their pets.

>>2355870
It should be illegal to kill snakes
If people get bitten by snakes, it's their fault for being retards in the woods
People are disgustingly abusive to snakes
The law needs to protect snakes so this cruelty against snakes ends

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>>2355872
(You)

>>2355870
>outdoor cats

owners should get eaten instead desu

>>2355872
T H I S
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>>2355870

I know that feel, bro.

Although I grew up in ranch country where people will legit swerve to hit a wolf or coyote with their car. Or any wild predator, really. ;_;

I spent so much time as a kid playing out in the wild, hiking with my dad or uncles. From the time I could walk I was taught to be cautious about snakes, and to leave them alone but not fear them. I feel very lucky that I was raised by educated people who explained to me the role predators had, and what their natural defensive mechanisms were. As a result, I've encountered plenty of snakes, gave them space and never got bit.

Quite awhile later, in college, I had an urban hipster prof who had just moved to the far out burbs. He was keeping backyard chickens kept losing them to a combination of predators and natural stupidity. He bragged about shooting a couple of bobcats on his property "to protect the chickens", like it was a longterm solution. He was so proud and acted like it made him a real stockman. I was so mad I couldn't even stand to speak to the guy for weeks.

I kept chickens from first grade on and never lost one to a predator. It wasn't hard to give them decent shelter, shade from hawks, and an enclosed area to sleep in at night. I had that figured at age 7 but apparently a guy with a PhD in environmental science couldn't grasp the concept.

>>2355502
this
FUCKING THIS

also, it's unsure if whether or not they're endangered or not, but researchers have noticed they're populations are far lower than they once were

>>2355870
>All those people who dont appreciate the sexy slither of a lady snake
Disgusting

>>2355671
Nothing deserves anything.

They are smaller and weaker creatures being tormented by the strong as they please

>>2355502
>They're scavengers and need a variety of food
>They need DEEP substrate to molt. Like at least double the largest crab
>Only a small handful of people have gotten them to successfully breed. What you find in pet stores are all taken straight from the wild
>They all need pools of salt water
>In the wild, they have the potential to live longer than goldfish

I would love to keep em again. I just need space for a decent set up

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>>2355436
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>>2356088

Top jej

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Living in Japan, beetle gripes:

>rhino beetles kept in cages not 2x their length
>making beetles fight for fun
>keeping beetles in shredded pine substrate instead of dirt (they can't burrow, constantly scrabbling on plastic)
>shop beetles are covered in mites

I get that keeping beetles is one of those "collecting" hobbies more than a pet to these people, but it pisses me off. When a creature is desperately crawling against its cage and can barely turn around, don't you want to help it?

My bugs all have huge cages and seem to enjoy walking around.

>>2354735
Chinks business even sell toxic plastic rice to other chinks. They are souless humans and deserve no respect

>>2354933
Misinformed how, Anon?

Genuinely curious.

>>2356104
>decent minimum tank sizes
>cycling
>water parameters
>water changes
>heating
>appropriate food for different species
>appropriate tank mates
many people think you just get a little tank, fill in some water and plop in the fish

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>>2355456
>1.5 quarts of water

>>2355391
>people
That's where you're wrong.

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>>2355668
I will never understand multiple snake owners
>Have lots of cool looking snakes
>keep them in tiny barren tupperware containers

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>>2355456
>"Nature sounds"
>it's a running tap

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>>2356081

>>2355443
>>2355560

In the UK "house" rabbits are rare, no idea why it's a fad in the US. Just strikes me as lazy, like a lot of American pet habits. The weather is less extreme here I guess.

My two Mini-lops had a pretty cool double-decker hutch with separate sleeping areas. They also had a fenced pen which they had access to all daytime, whilst they got plenty of hours in the full garden semi-supervised. Even had a thick canvas cover that clipped on around the front for on a nighttime.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/ImageLocator/LocateAsset?asset=document&assetId=1232734344469&mode=prd

>>2356184
>In the UK we only breed our rabbits for meat

Enjoy deworming + ticks + mites from letting your meat animals run around in the shit all day. .

>>2356197

Absolute bollocks, never had any issues with that sort of thing. I think the RSPCA would have something to say about it if actually letting your rabbits touch grass was so bad for them.

Calling them a "house" rabbit just seems like an excuse to never actually pay attention to their varying needs whilst they hide shit pellets behind the sofa.

>>2356205
t. has to go to the vet every fortnight for a new deworming

Never trust a perfidious albion.

>>2356205
>muh rabbit NEEEDS to be outside in the english rain cuz it NATURRRREE

fuck off

>>2356205
The RSPCA is an absolute fucking joke, so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't say shit about animal welfare if it meant it would give them more cash.

>>2356197

Worm eggs are typically found in the droppings of wild rabbits, for your average bunny we don't have a lot of wild bunnies running past them on a daily basis. In fact the huge problem with wild bunnies is E. Cuniculi - which is a fungus that can persist for many years on grass after being exposed to wild bunny faeces/urine.

As for worming, bunnies can get Taenia pisiformis/ T. serialis (both tapeworms) - which cause no direct pathology to the rabbit as they are not the final host (dogs are), and is typically found on necropsy. They also get passalurus ambiguus (pinworm), which like most other pinworms is perfectly harmless to the rabbit.

As for ticks and mites, mites are transferred by direct contact, which as I said before your average pet bun over here won't have contact with wild rabbits. Ticks, yes, can happen.

However, I'd also argue that all of these (bar mites) could easily be transferred if you decided to walk over a field in your shoes and bring back parasite eggs with you. We also advocate in the UK worming our bunnies on a regular basis. I'd argue as long as the rabbit has a correct environment (read as large enough hutch with a good area to exercise in plus the right diet), then outdoor or indoor bunnies are fine.

What you might actually be interested in is that I went to an exotics veterinary conference early last year. There was a lady there who specalised in rabbits, who had seen a lot of pododermatitis from carpet burns. The issue is that pet rabbits, esp rex who have no guard hairs, have very fine fur on their foot-pad which is easily damaged- she had seen a lot of cases with secondary staph or pasteurella infections. So, both indoor and outdoor aren't without their problems!

>>2356240
>Some dermatitis from being retarded and letting your rabbit run on carpet all day is worse than mites, ticks, tapeworms, and pinworms

Also, I'm not a filthy savage. I take my shoes off before going inside.

>>2356240

Oh and various ascarids/trichostrongylides. But these would still be covered by most wormers considering rabbits are normally wormed with a fenbendazole mix.

>>2356243

> Some dermatitis

I don't think you are quite aware of how serious it can get. As I said, they have very little fur there and rabbits skin is essentially like paper- in other words their footpads heal extremely badly. Some of her cases had gotten so bad that amputation had been considered, and these were responsible owners.

Parasites aren't all bad you know, as I said, the tapeworms + pinworms don't really cause any damage. It's mainly the mites/ roundworms we need to worry about- but hence why you worm your rabbit frequently.

Let me put it to you this way- your dog/cat going outside can catch both ecto and endoparasites, but you don't see owner's screaming for dogs to be stuck inside all day. We just take a reasonable approach to worming + flea'ing our pets. I personally don't have a rabbit, but you can't deny that there are pros and cons of both.

>>2356101
I don't have a dog or cat but what's wrong with those two foods?

>>2356256
>>2356244
>>2356240
>>2356205
>>2356184
>Brits being reasonable

>>2356197
>>2356228
>>2356229
>>2356243
>Americans being ignorant

Color me surprised.

>>2356243

>>2356256 here.

Having just taken my dog for a walk, and given thought to another reasoned response, let me put it to you this way. I will start by saying that personally, as long as the rabbits needs are met, I can see the pros/cons of both indoor and outdoor.

As a vet student, I strongly believe in responsible ownership. For me this means being able to reasonably weigh up the positives of any pet animals environment: after all, rabbits are in their basic form meant to run around grazing for most of the day. Wild rabbits are lean, athletic and can give a fox a good run for their money. Obviously our pet bunnies are different shapes and sizes, but that does not innately mean we should ignore that they are essentially grazers at heart.

This is where the problem with outdoor comes, most owners who buy an outdoor bunny don't buy them a large enough hutch/run and certainly don't give them enough exercise. Thus, even with the correct diet + husbandry (which is another kettle of fish), they often wind up with an obsese bunny which comes with its own health problems. Outdoor bunnies with large enough runs are fab, in my eyes they should have enough room to graze on grass for the majority of their diet (important for dental health) and have enough room to run around. However, yes, they could potentially be exposed to parasites- but as I have argued with my example of cats/dogs- these threats can easily be managed with a good worming routine.

Now, indoor bunnies in theory are fantastic. The basic problem I have is that often the bunnies food is stuck in one area of the house, they are also not on a natural flooring (aka carpet/laminate/wooden floors) which causes problems of their own. Also, you are denying your bun of grazing, which unless you provide enough hay there is the potential for dental issues. Also, with the hay being all in one spot there is the opportunity to produce a lazy bun- aka a fat bunny.

>>2356300

Now, back to the flooring, as I have previously said their feet are extremely sensitive. Their skin is quite literally like paper- having done a few sub-cut injections on a rabbit, I can't tell you how easy it is to tear their skin in comparison to say a cat. Rabbits aren't very good at adapting their gait for different environments, hence why we often see foot problems in rabbits. Now, for a sensible indoor rabbit owner, this could be managed - however I'd also argue that even an indoor rabbit would benefit massively from being able to go outside and graze in a safe (read as in a fenced in area) environment. Not only would it be good for feet, but it also promotes exercise and provides mental stimulation for the bunny.
You can’t just blatantly say that one is better than the other, they both offer positives and negatives. Before last year I would have said that indoor is likely to be the gold standard, however the feet issue + not being able to exhibit natural behaviour (e.g grazing) stands out for me, espically after that talk I went to. Personally, I promote for my clients that if they want to keep them indoors then they should have outdoor access whenever possible, or keep them outside with a large hutch plus access to a decent sized run. Really, rabbits are still considered as exotics, and we’re still working out the best way to keep them.
Take rabbit nutrition for example, most of our nutritional data comes from rabbits bred for meat not longevity! We are just finding now that most rabbit feeds aren’t exactly ideal, and there is research being put into how best to feed our rabbits as pets (which ideally should be just hay really!).

Anyway, I do apologise for the rant, but that's my two pence piece. Thanks for the debate, always good to brush up my knowledge on husbandry!

>>2356285
When did /an/ become /pol/ and get flags? Oh wait...

>>2356303
>>2356300

Thank you for taking your time to write this. I will admit I was rather blasé, it boils down to looking after your bunnies properly either way.

I think it is part of a wider American culture of being lazy/uneducated with animals though, bit like it was here a few generations ago where you could buy a puppy in a pet shop; I lived there for several years and saw it myself. House cats, don't start me on that.

>>2355668
handling most reptiles is against their wishes, so keeping it as a "cool thing" is fine as long as it is taken care of.

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>>2356321

Indeed! We're all just after what's best for the bunny at the end of the day.

Haha, it's funny you should mention puppies, backyard breeders make my blood boil.

So, things that make me really angry.... Brachycephalic dogs. We had three dogs in today to be neutered/spayed- all three required surgery for nasal stenosis and an elongated soft palate at the same time. I bloody hate how much pick related is true.

>>2354730
That has to be busslhit. How wouldn't they die from the lack of oxygen?

>>2354723
I would fucking steal them and let them go if I ever came across this. For fucks sake what is wrong with China???

Heres some good reeee material for you guys, courtesy of a guy I know

>He gets a pet hamster
>puts it into a ball to roll around in
>forgets about it
>dies in the ball
And then
>decides to get a dog
>not from a breeder, just some woman on facebook
>couples days until he gets it
>no toys
>no food
>no bed
>no supplies for it whatsoever
>hasnt even told the people he lives with hes getting the dog
>When asked about vaccinations he replied "You have to vaccinate the dog?"

Now in the present, the dog is 4 months old and he hasnt even toilet trained it

>>2356184
See, if we were to keep our rabbits as full time outdoor buns they would probably die of fright due to predators or noise. I can't do that. I have a hard enough time trying to not kill the poor baby due to neighbors slamming their doors.

Most good rabbit owners give their buns outdoor time, after proofing their lawn from harmful issues.

I just can't imagine keeping him outside, it's so dangerous here.

>>2355870
the only thing wrong with your post is burmese pythons. they are an invasive species too and they need to be removed. I hate how they gain support for removing them by teaching people they are evil though

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>>2356448
UK has no nature so they have no real predators, they shot most of them in prior generations for fun.

>>2355969
True, people in general need to learn to apreciate snakes and other predators seen as disgusting

>>2356421
Feed that guy cyanide

>>2355870
>one dude actually got out and tried to shoot it too before he was stopped by the people running the study
jesus

how determined do you have to be to get out of your car and shoot a snake to make sure it dies

>>2356515
What about cats?

>>2356461
The point of that wasn't that burms in Florida were ok, it was that there were much more destructive invasive species (notably cats and boars) people overlook because "muh satan animal." Sorry for being confusing.

>>2356088
the boot to big for he goddamn feet

>>2356101
Those kritter keepers in the bottom-left corner are actually pretty good for inverts like tarantulas and scorpions. But to be fair they're incredibly easy to keep.

>>2354732
>IT'S NOT DECORATION UNLESS IT'S ALIVE

>>2356262
Shit brands that offer poor nutrition.

>>2356101
whats wrong with the cage

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>>2354730
>>2354723
Looks exactly like the Bonsai kittens urban legend.

>>2355659
>which race is my cat

>>2356900
Size.
Good enough for one farm rabbit nobody cares about to be a psycho, and being overweight is a huge plus here. Also the life expectancy isn't a problem here as well.
Pet rabbit needs to be sane enough for handling and healthy enough to not waste money on vets besides obligatory shots. That means triple the cage size (and also a foldable rabbit run, unsocialized rabbits are useless pets).

>>2356985
Yeah, rabbits need a fairly sizable enclosure and just in general require more care than people think. They're more along the lines of getting a cat or dog in terms of the amount of responsibility you're taking on, but people think of them as big hamsters with minimal care needed.

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>>2356410
They live like a week or so. They don't live too long in there. I honestly think most of them die from stress or trauma first

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anything like this being used for hamsters, mice, gerbils, ect. either get them a tank with enough room to live in or not at all

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>>2357155
How is there no law against this in the us?
In my country you cant keep most vertebrates in anything smaller than a 50 liter tank.

>>2356417
Careful there anon, those turtles are most likely Red Eared Sliders, who already fuck up ecosystems and displace native turtles because dumbasses release their pets into local waterways and places they don't belong.

>>2356101
I was under the impression that critter keepers were for transport, a quick temporary holding case or for catching bugs and shit in the wild as opposed to actually using it as permanent housing.

>>2357202
They're supposed to be but retards think they're just a permanent, portable enclosures you can take around and show your friends and shit.

>>2356985
i meant about the parrot cage

>>2357238
That cage would be cramped for some zebra finches much less a cockatiel.

Anyone who calls clownfish "Nemos" and Blue Tangs "Dories"
I can understand very young children but not adults

>>2357245
meh its enough for budgie or even cockatiel if u take him out often

>>2357270
I don't care if they just call them that, it's the morons that ran out and bought them after the movies came out without knowing the first thing about saltwater fish that bug me.

>>2357275
No it's not, and you shouldn't be allowed near any animal larger than a hamster.

>>2357275
It's really not. That cage is tiny and taking your bird out often doesn't make up for that. For birds, you should always get the biggest cage you can afford and fit in your house.

>>2357282
>>2357287
too small for hamster i rent room for mine guinea pig

>>2357293
>le epic hyperbole retort
every single time

>>2357197
There probably is, they are largely soled in china towns where cops don't really venture. And if they do they probably hide wares because the chinks don't have any sort of business licensee.

>>2357275
I am not even a bird person and I realize that is not enough room for a bird even if you let it out for a couple hours every day.

>>2357299
It's enough room if you donate a room to the bird and let it use the little shit cage as a nestbox. Rather counterproductive though.

>>2357295
i bet u cut ur parrot wings and paint his nails

>>2357317
>ever clipping wings

I'm sorry, you have me confused for a MASSIVE FUCKING CASUAL

>>2357246
>no video proof
he didn't do it
i mean who would kill a pretty tarantula

>>2356144
its because they just enjoy knowing that they have particular animals in their posession. Its a materialism thing.

>>2354723
>>2354730
FUCKING CHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE.

>>2354740
I have a fenced yard, we have a good 15-20 minute running and jumping session every day instead with a bit of fetch and tug of war and play fighting.

>>2356099
meh, most invertebrates are pretty much automatons

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>>2354758
>>2355177
>>2355210
>>2355238
>>2355663
>>2356100
>>2356614

The only thing that makes me "Reee" is the despicable amount of threats of death and torture that "animal lovers" make towards people who put animals in less-than-ideal conditions.

Even worse when they're so deluded that they see being disrespectful to members of their own species as a good thing. I'm talking about you, >>2355238
>I treat my dog (lab/hound mix, mostly lab) better than I treat people.

Animals are nice and all, but if you invest too much of your emotions in them, it makes you go wonky.

>>2354695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKPdNvH800&t=55s

>>2355560
I semi-agree with you and can see your points, seeing as I have indoor-only rabbits. However my reason for keeping them indoors is because it's hot as fuck where I live and I don't want them to be eaten by hawks or fucking stray/outdoor cats.

But! I believe if you live in a nice enough neighborhood with decent weather and you monitor your buns, I think it would be alright to let them outside to dig around and whatnot.

>Someone seeing a snake and going "ewww"
>"Can I buy this tiny bowl for my goldfish/betta?"
>"Bettas can live in their own filth for years!"
>"I have to buy a filter for my fish?"
>fucking CRITTER TRAIL

>>2357489
Don't take me wrong, I agree on most of what you said! But I think there are sort of... strata of bad animal keeping, you know? Like take a guy who loves his goldfish, but keeps three of them in a 20 gal tank because a bad pet store assistant told him that's okay. Or another guy who doesn't let his pet rabbit roam the house, and instead keeps him in a cage, which is big, but still not enough of a place for a rabbit. They're mostly good people who mean well! They're just kinda undereducated on proper animal keeping, and go off the word of mouth or didn't research enough.

Then on the other hand you have, like shown above, people who sell live animals in keychains so they die a slow painful death from lack of food and oxygen. That's different than "less than ideal", it's animal cruelty, anon.

But calling for genocide over that seems a bit too much. Also "treating animals better than you treat people" seems like a kinda sociopathic thing to do.

>>2357542
>someone seeing a snake and going "ewww"
>i cannot understand people reactions
Autist/10

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You cant keep pets like this

>>2355607
BBQ or sweet and sour

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I kept my keep my birds in tiny cages all my life.

How the fuck was I supposed to know?

>>2357650
wow I don't fucking know? Reading a book? Asking reputable breeders instead of shitty pet shops? Internet?

>>2357670
Only had internet in 2004.

Also I used to own crickets in tiny cages.

>>2357676
shame that books were yet to be invented in 2004

dumbfuck

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>>2357718
How would books help me? It's not like I was interested in books about how big should a bird's cage be when I was a kid, or I knew about many even.
I still have two parrots in tiny cages, I'm poor af can't do much about it. At least they seem kinda happy...

>>2354730
No wonder you can't find them that's animal cruelty wtf are the chinks doing

>>2357726

Having knowledge is better than not having knowledge. If you're not interested in researching how to best care for your pets, don't act like you deserve sympathy like in >>2357650

Ignorance can be forgiven in a child sometimes, but now that you know you have a responsibility to your birds to fix the situation as soon as you're able.

>>2357726
Craigslist or build one yourself from shit from a hardware store

>>2355253
That pisses me off tegu lizards are an invasive species in Florida and have to be killed

>>2357743
what isn't an invasive species in florida?

>>2355870
DO NOT RELISE THEM
Unless you actually go to their NATURAL inviotment. Invasive species ARE a huge problem. It messes up the food chain and ecosystem. It's sad but the pythons have to be killed because someone decided to relise it in Florida

>>2357650
My parents had literally no idea how to care for a bird when we got our first tiel. Within a month she was set up with a huge cage, reasonable diet and was happy for years and years. My special ed teacher cousin helped a lot too, it turns out that parrots act like retarded children.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22aYCoTe-0I

>how to kill a rattlesnake
>when you can just walk around it
>when you can safely pick it up and move it out of the way

>>2358005
Flagged the video thanks for sharing.

>>2357734
2bh only my amazon parrot is in a relatively small (he fits there just fine, and the cage is wider than its wingspan). And it was offered to me by a person who found it on the streets (his previous owner was clearly a shithead, the parrot doesn't even speak)

I have an african grey in a big cage.

>>2358068
Since you have an african grey, maybe you could help out.

My brother and law lives with me and my sister, and he brought over his african grey. Ever since it started living here, it's become mean as shit. He can't hold it any more, and it's been in a constant state of anxiety for the past 6 months, for no reason whatsoever. It constantly flies off of it's cage and ends up hurting her wing, and just freaks out constantly.

Anything you think we can do? Websites? Videos? Because this bird is getting freaking annoying. I used to watch her chill on his arm and cuddle with him against his chest, but now all she does is hide at the very top of her cage, and freaks out if anyone get's close to her.

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Rich people always fuck life. Like Trump. That's reeeee for me.

>>2358005
>simply picking up a venomous snake which can kill by the tail and expecting everything to be fine

I hope you "DURRR ALL ANIMALS DESERVE EQUAL TREATMENT AND LOVE" autists get your comeuppance

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>>2358122
I'm not an expert but first thing you should do is kept it inside the cage, on a place where it cannot hide from you or fly away. You have to keep your bird on eye contact level. This is one way for them to stop being afraid of you.

Also, perhaps you should trim her feathers to prevent her from flying if she always hurts herself doing it so.

>>2358160
She has a pretty huge cage, and we leave the door open. She has her wings trimmed. When I say she flies away, all she really does is jump down flapping her wings, and then ends up on the floor with messed up feathers. Then we have to guide her back to the cage so she can climb back up on her own, since no one can really touch her anymore.

Idk, maybe she's just retarded and we can't do anything about it.

>>2358126
Having the wall is retarded to begin with, but that aside why would you NOT put animal sized holes around the bottom of the wall?

>>2358147
Dog lover.

>>2358147
Ironically, the snake killing people are usually the ones to be bitten. Good though, they deserve it.

>>2358147

Go look up how many people die and are hospitalized per year from rodent-borne illnesses vs. how many people die from snake bites.

Snake killing is a regressive practice carried over from when people interpreted the bible literally. Ecologically they're no different than owls or cats as a vital check on rodents and other small pests that cause billions of dollars in damage per year.

You can literally just walk around them or use a stick to move them out of the way.

>>2358172
There's plenty of good reasons to kill snakes though. Killing livestock, injuring pets, etc.

The only people that get upset over the death of a potentially dangerous snake (not a garden snake) are pussy autist fags like you.

>>2358176
>regressive practice
>regressive

>>>/tumblr/

>>2358147
>See dog
>Dog can potentially bite me and the bite can get infected and I can get gangrene and the gangrene can kill me
>Kill dog, satisfied for having neutralized another dangerous threat to civilization

>>2358180

It is though. Most of the people killing large numbers of wild snakes are doing so because it's tradition.

>muh livestock

Treatment is just antibiotics.

>muh pet

Should have kept your cat in the house.

>>2358180
>sees new word
>reeeee go back to tumblr fag reee

>>2358184
>be me
>keeping dog out with me while working in garden
>check dog often
>one second later dog is bitten by snek and I need to spend thousands because of shitty jew vets

Fuck snakes

>>2358190

>snakes around your house

latent rodent infestation

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The fact that humans killed this bro of an animal.

>>2358178
There are no venomous snake species in my area. Sorry you live in a pleb flyover state

>>2357726
Plywood and chicken mesh is cheap. If its not outdoors you don't need to make it predator-proof. I know millennials can't handle the slightest bit of DIY, but sweetheart, get a hammer and some nails, get your hands dirty for once.

>>2357281
I know a guy that went out and bought a 10 gallon tank, filled it with tap water, and then wend to petco and bought two clownfish and a tiny blue tang about a month after finding nemo came out. He still to this day does not understand why they died even though I explaned osmosis to him multiple times. Luckily tangs are pretty expensive because after returning the bodies and getting new fish twice the store stopped giving him refunds. He now keeps an unknown number of guppies in that tank.

>>2355456
God damn name should just be "buncha shit with a fish in it"

>>2354723
chinks are heartless vermin... the way they view plants and animals is beyond vile.

>>2357197
you can't buy this shit in the US legally fool..

>>2354766
lmao people are dumb fucks

>>2354986
>English Bulldog
>incredibly healthy
pick one

>>2355048
lmfao nice b8o m8o

>>2358311
>hello, what seems to be the problem?
>he's a bulldog
>...and is there vomiting, difficulty breathing, a fever...?
>he's a bulldog

>>2355144
I like people like this anon
I would give you a thumbs up

>>2355502
fuck the pet industry and general industry period on this note

>>2355558
>some stupid shithead who kicks dogs and should be kicked twice as much more in his face

>>2355568
>implying your not garbage for pushing animal abuse

>>2355645
underage gtfo
those hamsters prolly weren't even dead

>>2355907
College profs are a joke as college is a legitimate scandal.

>>2357761
>RELEASE
ftfy
methinks that was the previous point but good for you I spose.

>>2357650
reading a fucking book about parrots?
or learning to read?

>>2358168
cuz it completely defeats the proposed purpose of keeping them illegals out...
true the wall is retarded. Trump is retarded. Let's face it, America is retarded and makes me want to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2358147
we won't, about as much as karma will serve you a fresh pile of shit to your face for being this ignorant about snakes and thier role in the world

>>2358183
>acting like 1 dog vs 7.5 billion human beings matters even slightly when human beings are the worst vermin on earth biologically speaking
>proud of the astounding ignorance anon believes in
>proports opinion anonymously as any accountability for such a statement would render your social standing to the absolute bottom of the barrel among those with any scrap of a consciousness.

>>2358323
>implying that wasnt 10 years ago

they were!

>>2358178
or snake proofing your residence and not being a dumb fuck, those are pretty good options too.
ignorant twats like you make me giggle, that's why you all strive for your home in the prairie miles and miles away from modern civilization where you can be as much of an ignorant faggot degenerate as you'd like, goin back to
>muh 1800s lifestyle, tillin the land drinkin huffin n beatin mah wife
enjoy your bliss you willful twat, stupid people like you are the reason this country of ours is being walked all over by wealthy jews

>>2358335
>pretending like 1/148 million dogs in the world matters even slightly when human beings are the sole reason why they're numerous in the first place

nice appeal to emotion thou

>>2358168
How would you make a hole big enough for a mountain lion without allowing humans through?

>>2358126
I get the others, but what stops the bat from just flying over?

>>2355668
Never understood these people. The coolest part of keeping invertebrates is creating the most natural set up for them and watching them. The whole spotting where it is is just part of the fun.

>>2358005
>That one guy in the comments talking about how killing snakes is god's work and that snakes aren't vital to the ecosystem because "there are no rats where I live"

FUCKING CHRISTFAGS! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>2358602
Replace snake with cat

Just learned that this >>>2358385 is a thing. I can just imagine baby bunnies being tossed around in dye like a chicken breast gets tossed in bread crumbs

>>2355903
H I S S
I
S
S

>>2355876
Underrated post.

>>2358197
You mean willem dafoe

>>2356088
:3

>>2355870
>reading about how rattlesnakes are rattling less and less nowadays because the quiet ones sometimes get left alone

lmao this sounds like something Karl Pilkington would say, STOP TALKING SHIT

>>2355870
I take it you aren't a fan of St. Patrick

>>2358126
>earless lizard

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>>2361201
... and? most lizards do have ears.

>>2358519
It's because the construction will disrupt it's habitat.They will also have to destroy bald eagle habitats
111 endangered animals will be threatened by this.
Dont get me wrong I hate spics, but the wall is just stupid

>>2361347
oh god

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>less than 75 gallon tank for three goldfish
Gold fish are supposed to get huge

>>2361347
This somehow hurts me more than a goldfish in a bowl

>>2361355
Fucking hate normies, they shouldn't be allowed to have pets REEEEEE

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>>2361315

>>2361489
Goddamnit, lost

>>2361581
because I reeee'd
not even worse thing I've ever seen, but still pisses me off

>>2356625
My gf's father and all his friends in mississippi do this to every single snake they see because they dont want to step on them while hunting and weve gotten into heated arguements over how fucki g stupid that is and that they just want to be left alone but nooooo his 3 dogs he lets run loose on his 5 acres might come across one and try to eat it so pew pew

>>2361075
I'd have to see some actual research on it but, its a sound hypothesis
>the rattlesnakes with bigger and louder rattles are more likely to be killed
>they don't get to pass on their genes
>snakes that have smaller rattle or tend to not rattle at all aren't noticed and can breed freely
its just "natural" selection

>>2355681
I dunno man, if you never cut your fingernails ever and they grew out you'd quickly have problems manipulating basic tools in you life.
The bird prolly realizes this extra growth is fucking up the motorcontrol it is used to. If i crashed my car because long nails intefered with the stick shift I'd be a nervous wreck too.

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>>2355668
>Not making sick terrariums for your Geckos
Look at this fag.

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>>2356096
I never knew WRIGGLING was so cute.

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Humanity has done a great disservice to the English Bulldog.

>>2355477
But I do do these things anon

>>2357218
I sometimes use Kritter keepers for betta fish, but that's because my friend gave me a bunch of filters made for kritter keepers.

>>2356101
Whats wrong with the hamster cage, too small? Would fit a dwarf I believe

>>2357197
Its China

>>2358168
>a border wall is retarded

>>2362079
It is, considering the sheer size, the ecological impact and the costs in maintaining and manning it.

Not to mention that the Illegal Immigration rate from border crossings have been dropping for years.

>>2354730
WTF, I thought that was just a stupid yukkuri abuse story.

>>2358126
>Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge
Fuck refugees they should go back to their own habitat.

>>2354730
Fuck asians.

>>2362069
Hamsters need deep bedding to burrow and large surface areas to run around (not just a wheel)

A rinkydink plastic cage with pretty colors and tubes and wires with paint they can choke on is not ideal for a hamster.

>>2358126
There were chachalacas around my home, its was full o green and shit and those fucking giant pigeons would do their classical "chacacacac cacacaca" around 7 AM when i was heading towards elementary, sadly my dad sold the house.... So sad... it was just by a forest and there were all sorts of animals, bats, snakes, foxes, racoons, owls, hell, even wild cats, well, more like "independent cats", that somehow managed to survive in the wild

>>2355907
I'm all for people homesteading and whatnot, but urban/suburban chicken farmers and beekeepers should face summary execution upon discovery.

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>>2355872
>If people get bitten by snakes, it's their fault for being retards in the woods

Yeah because it's my fault for my dumb ass that can't see a camouflaged snake before it's too late.

Fuck you dumb snakeposter.

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>>2358126
The Caucasian American is going to go extinct if you don't stop the invasive species called Mexicans from coming in
Sacrifices must be made, sorry kiddo.

>>2358147
>>2358602
Get triggered you retards. That snake was killed by a superior organism. It's fucking survival of the fittest!

>>2355144
No offense fat anon but what is it like to be overweight? I'm 20 lbs under healthy and I wish I was overweight like all of the buff kids at school. Is it really that bad?

>>2364176
Slow, hot, heavy, hard to breathe, tire out really quick, look gross, feel gross

>>2364185
Other than hot, slow, and heavy, I have all those problems. The worst thing for me is how fragile I am. Punches that would bounce off a fat person would knock me down like a little bitch. I also end up really cold during winter and fall.

>>2364143
Wear boots/thick jeans or just don't go in the woods pussy. If you get bit by a snake, it's probably your fault for not taking precautions.

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it doesn't help that the directions they come with are complete horsehit

>>2356625
I know some people who keep revolvers in their trucks so when they see snakes on the (ranch) roads they can roll the window down and blast them without even getting out

>>2355887
we need to euthanize all 'outdoor'/stray cats they are literally an invasive species and contributed to/caused numerous bird species to go extinct

>>2364288
When I lived in the states, I liked to rescue these things and see how well they could grow before I'd split them and give them to the neighborhood kids who would feed them bugs they caught.

>>2364391
I do that too; I have like 20-30 I rescued from Lowe's over the winter that I've given a short dormancy. They're now putting out acclimated traps that don't get fried by the Alabama sun

>Aquariums

I thought i would like it, but most of the fish looked sick and stressed to me. It just made me sad.

>keeping animals as pets
You're keeping them in a confined, sterile environment alone for hours and even when you're here you make a poor replacement for members of their own species in terms of socialization.

I don't care how "cute" they look, you're not a child.

>>2361355
>75 gallons
Are y-you autistic?

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>>2354784
Jesus fuck this hurts my heart so much. One of the local pet stores keeps them like this. I wish I could buy them all but I have no money.

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>>2364432
ill bite
>BARE MINIMUM 20Gal per goldfish
>20 x 3 = 60
>Extra 15Gal to help with water parameters and keep fish happy
whats your problem
>>2362984
>>2361347
what

>>2361347
Fucking disgusting. Such beautiful fish having to stew in their own shit. I'd kill to own a knifefish.

>>2364451
I thought it was 10gal

>>2364454
I own goldfish that are as long as my 10gal

>>2364473
How old are they and what breed?

I have a 7 year old fish that was kept in a 100gal. He's only 2.5 inches.

>>2364451
>whats your problem?
75 fucking gallons because "muh fishs iz kute muh math muh gallonz" you sensitive faggots are the reason Im leaving this board, good day lad.

>>2364476
10 - 12 years, common goldfish.

I suppose a smaller breed could be kept in a ten gal but they're still poop machines

>>2364491
Poorfags, everyone

>>2364451
75 would be awsome for three fancies, but comets get a lot bigger. A single one of those fish would need 75 for itself.

>>2364513
No, us poorfags use plastic bins and stock tanks when we can't afford enough glass to silicone together for a proper size tank.

>>2364214
Snakefags are the worst.

>>2356144
>that picture
Are you serious? Those things are used for storing pets?

>>2364772
If I remember, only breeders or faggots who collect a shitton of snakes to stroke their e-penis actually uses them for their collection

At least for breeders, it's about cost efficiency to produce lot of snakes

>>2364947
this fag.

>>2355456
now that is just sad

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>>2358547
fucking thank you.
pic related, my 40g setup for 2 co-habbing garter snakes

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>>2365847
pic also related, its the setup for my mantis

>>2354735
Holy shit you have no idea how much worse it gets. Chinks are less than human. Ever tried kitten cooked alive with a blow torch? Your average Chinese person could probably tell you.