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Okay so for the majority of my life I hated spiders. But I accidentally ended up here, and now I can see the appeal of them.

Thank you spidey bros of /an/

pic is the prettiest spidey imho.

centipedes are still scary though.

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>>2344583
Congrats on curing your arachnophobia, anon. Good taste in purdy spider

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replying to the dude from last thread that said he doesn't have much room

you can cram a lot of stuff into very limited space

and you'll soon ask yourself "do I really need to be able to move in here or should I buy a few more spiders?"

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>>2344640
Eh

It's the landlady I'm worried about. She doesn't really have beef with me doing it, but she's a very "Honest Abe" type person and I'm doing this both against he complex owner's permission and her knowledge, so whether or not I end up buying more, it'll most likely not be here. I don;t wanna lose a spider I've been yearning for for over half my life.

>>2344647
I had the same problem but my landlord was surprisingly tolerant. I kinda just dropped it on him when I already had a little zoo going. He was quite alarmed and came over, I gave him a "tour" and he was actually ok with it after that.

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>>2344650
Well ,let's hope I'm just as lucky

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>tfw Plistospilota guineensis male is starting to become nervous since he's been adult for quite a while
>female only molted a week ago

pls don't die
just two more weeks dude, I know you can do it

How long can these big spiders live outside terrariums made just for them?

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>>2344745
NO one's been able to conduct studies on that, far as I know
Tagging a spider doesn't seem like it would be as easy or practical as tagging a dolphin or a bear.

>>2344748
Even in cold places?

>>2344751
wut

>>2344678
keep him cooler and feed him less

>>2344640
do they ever fight through the glass?

>>2344863
That's precisely what I'm doing but its a warm room.

>>2344868

Nah. Where that's a possibility I've put a piece of paper betwen the enclosures to block line of sight but for most animals that's not necessary as their vision is just too bad.

>>2344751
You're thinking about releasing tarantulas in the wild and somehow becoming established, right?

If that was possible it would have happened already. There are no big north/south barriers preventing tarantulas from spreading further north but they don't, because they can't. It's just too cold for them.

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I should be getting spooder this weekend

I am excite

>>2345019
congratulations fampai. what kind?

>>2345021
Albo

>>2345042
You getting a sling or adult? I really want an albo, heard their quick growing for a brachypelma.

>>2345068
Actually I changed my order. I'm getting an A. seemanni. Adult grmale.

But yeah altos are fast growers for their genus

>>2345070
Female

Curse this phone and my big fingers

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>>2345070
Nice, they look pretty cute. Who are you buying from?

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>>2345068
I've had my B. albos for 3 1/2 years and they're like an inch and a half long. I don't know why the fuck they're taking so long.

>>2345070
What color form you getting? I have two of the blue kind. IME seemanni are a bit more skittish than North American aphonos, but very enthusiastic burrowers and fun to watch.

>>2345167
They didn't specify. Judging by the picture they had, my money's on black

>>2345074
Reptiles and critters

>>2344640
>tetra brand food
Dropped

>>2344578
>those long fingers
Nice try Drax, Lord of Gouvachech.

>>2345222
It's the cheapest I could find and it's for my feeder insect colonies. Thermobia and dubias in particular.

>>2345236
Ahh for insects. Never mind. Tetra has fucked my fishes water parameters even when not over feeding.

>>2345240
Oh alright. For a second I was worried you were gonna tell me there's some awful stuff in there that I'm unknowingly enriching in my feeders and then giving to my animals.

>>2345243
No. My only problem with tetra is they use ethoxyquin which has been rumored to cause many premature fish deaths.

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THE DUBIAS HAVE ARRIVED

and they're all hiding

Is this setup ok? Should I get more egg cartons?

>>2345288
substrate m8, an inch is enough but the young burrow in there and they eat their parents feces for the first few molts almost exclusively

don't worry it doesn't smell if you keep it dry

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>>2345293
Alright.

Staring to wish I asked before I put the roaches in. now i feel stupid

This is gonna be a pain in the ass.

>>2344583
I've also been an arachnophobe all my life, and since coming to /an/ I've just forced myself into every spider thread I see. It used to be terrifying but now I can look at pics of even the freakiest tarantulas without it bothering me. These threads are great. I'd still probably shit myself if one appeared on me with no warning but now I can at least look at them in pet stores without getting the heebie jeebies.

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>>2345317
You know what your next step is though, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59NLFoowviw&t=325s

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>>2345317
Sounds like you're about ready to get a pet spider. Get a tiny babby and watch it grow.

>>2345319
Yes, I definitely want to try handling one sometime soon. They are very interesting animals.

> Seeking to turn my spare aquarium to a mantis home

Any guides or tips on starting up?

Do you guys think A. metallica is okay as a first tarantula? Thinking about getting a 1/2'' sling but I keep reading that avic slings are really easy to fuck up.

>>2345502
They are actually difficult to handle.

>>2345342
I found a new one today than I suspect it's female dendryphantes, that means the specie it's more than fine and if I find a male I can witness some never before seen mating dance.

>>2345504
Really? Everyone seems to point to avicularia as the beginner arboreal species. Or does metallica behave significantly different from a. avic and versicolor?

>>2345433
Make the top of the tank out of wire mesh for good ventilation. If you're looking to keep any mantis from the family Empusidae make sure it isn't metal mesh, as they could hurt their tender legs on it.

Keep some open spaces in the tank to allow molting.

Stay away from crickets, they are shit tier feeders for mantids.

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4/8 of my chinese mantises have molted without a hitch. Hoping the other 4 are all sorted out by this morning.

>>2345502
Depends. Do you have experience with other inverts?

>>2345507
Not really but people kept them too moist and without good ventilation for a long time and they really don't cope well with that. A box with good airflow (top + side mesh or lots and lots of air holes) and not too high humidity and they should be completely fine.

>>2345433
How big is it? Not in gallons, the actual dimensions. An aquarium is generally not an ideal enclosure because it lacks cross ventilation, I'd get some clear plastic boxes instead, they cost next to nothing anyway.

There are several things you chould do. Most mantis species need to be kept solitary and you want to get them as small nymphs, your aquarium might simply be too big for that, at least initially so you'd have to set up some other boxes until your mantis is big enough to go into the aquarium.

There are some species that can be kept communally. Look into Gongylus, Heterochaeta and Phyllocrania (not too sure about this one). All of these, with the exception of Phyllocrania are considered "medium" difficulty though, not beginner species.

Other than that, do what >>2345510 said. Except just don't use wire mesh ever, it just heats up and hurts their feet, regardless of species. Get fibreglass fly screen. Try to replace as much of the top with that as you can. You're gonna have to DIY it.

Decorate sparingly, very sparingly. They need open spaces to molt, at least 3x the length of the mantis hanging downwards, 4x is safer.

One or two halogen bulbs on the top to heat it up, check the temps before you put anything in.

Feed with flies of different sizes, no crickets, as >>2345510 said.

Make really sure it doesn't get too humid in there, mantids die quickly in stuffy air (like I said, not cross ventilation in an aquarium).

>>2345517
Nice m8. Good luck with the rest.

It might be a few days before they all molt though, the timing on that is pretty variable.

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SHE'S JUST A FEW HOURS AWAY, BOYS

I'm so hype right now
I've been waiting for this for so many years.

>>2345655
Don't worry if the spider seems really sluggish and a bit dazed when you unpack her, that's just how they cope with the stress. They just need a few hours to a day to recover. Don't give her food yet, she needs peace and silence for a while.

>>2345669
Okay, got it

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>>2345370
You need to try it. They're crazy soft

>>2345735
This is true, there are now words to describe just how velvety soft a tarantula is

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How do you debeak a headcrab?

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>>2345763
with ur peepee

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>put P. guineensis female on plant on window so she can enjoy the sunshine
>give her a locust
>she catches and eats it, head first
>a few minutes later, suddenly wing sounds
>head of locust missing, half the prothorax missing
>somehow trying to fly like nothing is wrong
wtf

>later
>mantis almost done eating, gets to the end of the abdomen
>suddenly lots of locust eggs
>takes a bit
>stops eating
>has been staring at the eggs for the last 5 minutes, not sure what to do

Ok.

>>2345782
I'd be kinda spooked to if a,) the fish I was eating started wiggling its tail and b,) encoded in a mass of caviar before my eyes.

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She's here

And she's beautiful.

I cannot tell you guys how happy I am right now. I've been waiting 14 years for this moment to happen and here it is. I cannot wipe this smile off my face

Now, her enclosure is coming in tomorrow, so i'm keeping her in this tupperware while she recovers from her trip. Will that be enough for her for the moment? Tupperware's about twice as big as her shipping container (pic related) and rectangular and 2/3 full of soil.

>>2345862
Give her some sort of hide, place her away from the light.

>>2345863
K

Also, she's got a 4' legspan. Is she ever gonna get any bigger than that?

My pinkie has been running in circles recently - something to be worried about? I'll call her name or make a noise and she'll stop for like one second before continuing to run in circles on our hardwood. The sounds of her scuttling is cute and all, but I'm worried.

>>2345763
I've had enough of these entry level headcrab hobbyists inhumanely debeaking them! Everybody wants their own Lamar, unaware that she was in constant pain from the traumatic debeaking procedure. The risk of zombification is just the price you pay keeping these beautiful animals, and if you can't deal with that then get the fuck out of the hobby

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>>2345888
Pinkie what? Pink toe?

They're pretty energetic, so i imagine she's just letting out some pent up energy

Either that or she's autistic

>>2345862
Now that seriously cute. Have fun with your spider.

>>2345865
She should get a bit bigger than that.

>>2345862
Pro tip: Get cheapass RGB LED lighting kit (the TV moodlight stuff or similar), set it up abover her enclosure, set to red at night and watch your spider actually DO STUFF (!) without disturbing her.

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>>2345912
sounds good

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>>2345913
link to thread? should we educate these normies?

>>2345914

>>/v/372315127

>>2345917
whoops

>>>/v/372315127

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Educate these fuckers instead

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>>2345923
>The Washington Compost
>Credible
>e v e r

O I am laffin
Even before their recent episode of eceleb dramas, they've been garbage.

>>2345924
I know they're bad, but this is the same type of smear campaign they have against wolves.

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>>2345926
And it better stop

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>>2345918
I say we shat that thread up pretty good.

>>2345978
You didn't shat up the thread. We highly enjoyed the spider/scorpion talk and it was lots of fun!

>>2345295
>and anon was never heard from again
>his corpse was later discovered, stripped to the bone by roaches

>>2346003
But anon
>>2345862
this is me

>>2346005
Well, did any escape?

>>2346006
Nope. Got substrate in there and now they're all lazing around in it and totally leaving the egg cartons alone

>>2345319
did he fuck the zookeeper?

>>2346021
Not that i know of

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I'm in a bit of an /aphonopelma/ mood tonight

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>>2346107
you're speakin my language

The Pamphobeteus nigricolor sling I got a few days ago seems to just sit outside without even attempting to hide. Is this normal or should I be worried? It's eating and not curled up but I find it rather strange that it's not using the hide I provided at all.

>>2346355
Different individuals have different personalities. That said, i do hear pamphobeteus species like to stay in the open sometimes

>>2346451
But as an L4 sling? Then again, he has some attitude.
I breathed into his little cup accidentally and rather than run away he actually came towards the source, quite rapidly too.

>>2346466
Sounds like he's just a bold little individual.

>>2346355
I have a couple slings like that, I sure hope they'll keep it up when they're big and pretty.

>>2346596
>these file names

Are these your spooders or where are you getting these images from?

>>2346602
>
Most of them are from archnoboards.

I only have one spoder right now>>2345862

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>>2346603
Only one spider, huh?

That's not gonna last very long I guess. I mean just look at this Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens. Very active spiders too. And cheap, like $30 for a decently sized one.

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>>2346603
Speaking of her, I got her a new enclosure today.

Also, I couldn't help but notice her colors are kinda dim and brown. I know she's a blue morph, as I can see tinges of it on her chelicerae and prosoma, but it's kind of faded.

Is she getting ready for pre-molt, /an/? I know we aren't seeing the black bald patch on her yet, but is there any other indicators I should look for? She won't eat, but then again, I've been told her species isn't a very rabid eater. I know she's out of her post-transit grogginess because she walks around with ease now, so it most likely isn't that.

>>2346698
>Is she getting ready for pre-molt
Could be, but be aware that the colors of tarantulas in images are often exaggerated, partly because of the flash, partly to make it look nicer. Especially iridescent blue is a lot weaker in person (unless you put your spider into sunlight). Also it's much more pronounced after molts and then slowly fades.

>>2346698
In my experience, AF aphonopelmas only molt once every year or two.

>>2345655
are you getting a fucking spider delivered in the mail?!

absolute madman.

what a world.

>>2346721
She's only 4' right now. I don;t know how to tell if she's sexually mature, and she could easily be a subadult.

Should I provide an epigastric shot?

>>2346722
that's the standard procedure m8, thousands of spiders and other inverts get shipped like that every week

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Hi /an/, my gf and I impulse adopted a tarantula we saw on craigslist. We have experience with inverts but not any tarantulas.

Her tank was LITTERED with silverfish. If I had to guess I'd say there was around 20-30 of them living in it. I had to transfer her temporarily into a tupperware container with a cup to clean the entire tank. Now she refuses to use the hide I bought for her in favor of the cup.

Her previous owners say shes around 11 years old and that she hasn't molted for a year or so, and that shes only ever been fed crickets. I tried to feed her a dubia roach but she didn't seem to be interested even though the roach was right in front of her. Is it possible that she only recognises crickets as food, or that she's molting soon? She has a bald spot and these weird white patches but she seems fine otherwise.

We also don't know what kind she is, but I'm guessing a g. pulchra. Pic related is her, that's her cup.

>>2346743
Leave a dubia in for 24 hours and see if she eats it, a small one though, she might be intimidated by adults. You can also try killing a dubia and offering that.
If she doesn't eat then she doesn't eat. She looks well fed, half a year without food should be no problem.

Also just maneuver her out of that cup, she'll find the proper hide at night.

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>>2346743
Poor baby..

but yeah, do what >>2346748 this guy said, plus get her more substrate

>>2346748
>>2346751

Thanks for the advice! I added more substrate and took the cup out. Last time I did that she just sat in the corner but hopefully she'll find the hide ok.

>>2346766
give her a day or two, or rather nights

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>>2345912
would those light strips you put on aquariums work too? Or do the RGB lights behave in a way that's better for the spider or something?

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Ok, that's eight for eight successful molts for my chinese mantis collection.
I even had the privilege of seeing the final one in the act, albeit with no tripod at hand and poor focus and kinda translucent plastic

vid is sped up to 5x

>>2347031
noice dood

Do mantids not have a good successful molt rate?

>>2345896
Oh great now I have to take care of two autistic children.

I just wanted to make sure it wasn't some balance issue like other animals get - rabbits who run in circles for too long usually have an ear infection or something.

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>>2347070
Congrats on your autistic spider, anon.

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My Rhombodera megaera female finished her final molt tonight. A pretty massive species.

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Also got a bit orange on the thorax now.

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>>2347100

Very nice. You must have graceful hands. I would be afraid something would spook it and my clumsy hamfists would cause injury. I just dont feel I have the dexterity to handle such small delicate creatures with confidence.

>>2347017
Doesn't really matter, I just use the cheapest stuff I can find. As long as you can set it to pure red it should be fine.

>>2347128
On second thought, the RGP strips have the advantage that you can put them to white during the day to make it look nicer.

>>2347031
Congrats dude. Now they just have to do that ~8 more times.

>>2347065
Depends on the species and the conditions. Some mantids are pretty sensitive to the wrong conditions and if you fuck up they won't molt correctly. If the conditions are right it generally works though.

>>2347099
>>2347100
Neat. She's a big girl.

How big is she actually? Bigger than a Hierodula or?

>>2347112
You don't really "handle" these animals. You let them walk on you as they want

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w8..

are there suddenly abot 50 posts missing?

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He lives in my room. He hangs around most days, sometimes he's on the wall next to my bed in the morning, sometimes he's on my desk. Haven't named him, yet but he's vigilant and keeps the bugs away.

>>2347167
Probably the result of /can/ splitting.

can you cuddle a tarantula

>>2347178
no, you have to let it cuddle you

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>>2347175
shit, there were really interesting posts...

>>2347220
the thread is here still >>>/can/4272

let's just continue from where we left off there

have any of you tarantula owners been bitten by them yet? do they bite often?

>>2347232
>have any of you tarantula owners been bitten by them yet?
Not yet.

>do they bite often?
Depends entirely on the species, for some it's the first line of defense for the vast majority the absolute last. They give plenty of very obvious signs before biting though, if you get bit it is always and 100% your fault and could have been avoided.

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My first Poecilotheria, a P. formosa. Cute!

At pretty much exactly 5cm body length she's adult, right?

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>>2347400
also r8 this enclosure, anything I should add?

(I already added a small water bowl, I realized that I forgot when taking this image)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arVHjiNLDXY

REEEEEEE

I'm looking to get my first invert pet, most likely a tarantula. I have a quick question that may play into my decision on what species to get. Do any T.s thrive at a range of 70-75f, 21-23c? That will be my room temperature and I don't have much space for the enclosure so it would help if I didn't have to be limited by outlets.

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>>2347441
Most tarantulas do well at those temperatures but growth will be quite slow. Can you really not add one of these tiny cheap 10W halogen desk lamps? The heat from that would be more than enough to keep pretty much any tarantula and have it be active as well.

>>2347448
It's not a question of if I can't i just wanted to know to help me pick a species. If I could avoid wire jungles I would but I'm not going to compromise the comfort of the spider for it because it's a nonissue.
I've got a couple I'm thinking about, Arizona blonde and curly hair. Mainly looking for handleable new world spiders that have good appetites

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Oh cool, this off brand rubber shoe has trapped some winged termites

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>>2347638
Free mantis food, and man do they love it

hmm, I wonder where all the termites were coming from though

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>>2347641
....shit

>>2346161
>Not moderatum

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>>2347638
>>2347641
>>2347642
>second file name

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>>2347642
wuh oh
>>2347663

>>2344969
>It's just too cold for them

Um...what's their cold tolerance? I have found two adults and a somewhat young one in the last four months over here in mendocino county, and it is just now starting to warm up into spring.

>>2347800
usually anything below 40 kills them

A lot of desert species (most of aphonopelma) are pretty hardy, but get pretty much any other T in that range and they die

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Sorry to break up the Comfy Tarantula thread, but I've got a bit of an ant problem and this thread seemed like the closest thing.

Somehow, ants are coming into my room through my bathroom. They're slipping in through the crack between the sink and the wall, I'd assume. They made a beeline straight for my mouthwash and created a line there, so I threw out the mouthwash. A few days later I got some cheap Raid ant traps for good measure, pic related, and laid them around my sink, but the ant problem hasn't stopped. There's no lines like with the mouthwash, they just appear to meander around the sink top. Worse, they're appearing to spread to my bedroom, and I've found a few on my desk. Do I need to up my investment and get better Raid traps? Should I put some bait down and line the Raid traps along the line that forms? Or is the colony already dying and I should just wait it out?

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>>2347112
This and many others are active in my yard a lot lately. Heaps of grasshoppers too

>>2347893
Wait a week and if they'll colony hasn't died yet, get an exterminator

>>2347800
well they're dormant during that time, they can endure it but they won't really grow or reproduce if it's that cold

>>2347462
You really only need one lamp, which would enable you to keep almost anything. Not really a wire jungle.

I mean your room temp is still fine for lots of species but like I said, their metabolism will be slow which means slower development and less appetite but also longer lifespan. You really only need to get the enclosure 2 or 3 degrees warmer, for which even an LED might be enough.

The species you suggested are good, but watch this for a few more suggestions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j77bBFCOW30

This guy actually knows his stuff (unlike many other youtubers) and also talks about handling.

>>2347642
uh oh

should've kept more than 8 and let them roam around the house

>>2348093
>exterminating termites with mantis tunnel-rats
Fund it

>>2345225
Dont diss him, hes on crystal treatment

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Save it for later dude, you're eating me out of house and home

>>2348164
Isn't it amazing just how much food fits into such a small animal?

Is there a nice and active terrestrial tarantula that would do well in a 40x30x30 cm enclosure (width x depth x height)?

>>2348166
yep.

at least finding the termites is giving my fruit fly colony a rest, it was getting sparse in there.

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>>2348169
>active tarantula

>>2348174
LP's are actually kinda active.

That and with enough heat, any one of them can be seen skittering around (at night)

>>2348174
I mean seeing it outside its hide more than once a month and maybe even move at night. That's all I want.

>>2348180
Can't go wrong with a Brachypelma in that regard. Acanthoscurria geniculata is another good choice but they tend to be a bit more fierce, fast growers though.

>>2348164
>>2348166
At least your animals are hungry

My girl only just started eating. I wish I was awake to see the takedown though

>>2347448
Heat lamps (even desk lamps like this) and tarantulas really do not mix. They aren't like snakes.

>>2348202
don't tell me you want to heat with a heat map or other garbage like that

after just air temperature lamps are the best way to raise temperature

>>2348206
*heat mat, of course

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Could anyone ID this for me pretty please? Found it on a tree in England, the marks there are millimetres.
Doesn't need to be exact I just don't even know what this is a pupa of.
I can ID pretty much anything else I found while searching today apart from this and a few spiders.

>>2348213
side and top pics please

>>2348213
>>2348216
oh also my first guess would be a beetle of some sort, Tenebrionidae maybe

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>>2348216
Top one
I thought the other thing was it's shed from pupating but I'm not so sure now

Actually with the photo this time

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>>2348241
And the side

>>2348254
I would recognize those eyes anywhere.
Neuroptera, probably Hemerobiidae or Chrysopidae.

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I just found a baby bird in the streets and I bring him home but I don't know how to feed him, pic related.

please help I don't want him to die :'^(

>>2348260
Thanks!
I shall set it aside to finish pupating and get photos after.

Now I just need to wrangle all the caterpillars I collected.

>>2348261
Put it back

>>2348261
wrong thread m8

Anyone had smaller tarantulas shipped priority? Was it okay?

>>2348324
How small are we talking?
Also what dealer are you ordering from?

If it's less than 48 hours, in not too extreme weather, with a heatpack and good packaging it should be totally ok regardless of size.

>>2348332
2", from the invert shop. Its the only shipping option available and the guy has good reviews so I'm sure it'll be fine. Just wanted to know what other anons have experienced.

>>2348333
I've had half-inch slings shipped to me without any problems, I've also had 2" animals die due to a delayed delivery. If the seller is reputable the weakest link in the chain is almost always the postal service. If you're worried I'd only order from someone who guarantees live arrival or at least store credit if you get deaths.

>>2348335
He has a DOA return policy so I should be good to go then. Might wait a bit cause the weather has been awful recently and I don't want to risk it.

Picked up a Heteropoda boiei because I liked the look. Oh boy.

I know they were fast, but there's fast and then there's FAST. If I didn't know better I'd suspect the thing can teleport. It's literally impossible to follow with your eyes, she simply vanishes from one place and appears in the next.

Getting her into the box I have her in now was just pure luck. How the fuck am I gonna transfer her later?

>>2348340
Offer her a human sacrifice

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>>2348340
Huntsman just creep me out, despite liking tarantula. Not sure why. Certainly unique looking.

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>>2348361
They're thin, spindly, and fast.

Granted I still ove them personally, butI'd be much more wary of one.

>>2348361
Probably the long spindly legs combined with their sheer speed and the fact they can run in any direction at the same speed as they can run forwards. If you get close enough you can actually hear very faint eurobeat playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

>>2348363
>>2348366

That certainly contributes to it. Something about their pedipalps and eye placement is unnerving as well. The long thin legs probably bother me the most, I like fat tarantulas.

>>2348368
What is the most THICC tarantula?

>>2347827
>>2348017
Aah ok that makes sense

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>>2348361
I'm partial to the starry night sky thing Heteropoda lunula's got going on

>>2348361
The boiei I have now has already passed the creepy mark for me. I don't know why but at a certain size they just stop being creepy.

And if you get past it they have amazing patterns and colors. Such amazing contrasts when viewed on their own and incredible camouflage when viewed against a proper background. Also somewhat active during the day, they do come out and move around slowly and will also hunt.

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>>2348370
Pelinobius muticus aka King Baboon tarantula
>those hind legs

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>>2348427
You wanna talk hind legs, fuckboy?

Do mantids really only live 6 months? I have wanted one forever as a pet but I feel I'd get too attached for it to live for so little time...

>>2348446
some can get up to 9 or 10 months old

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>want a spider friend
>afraid I won't take care of it properly and give it a good life
I just want to have a little spooder pal and see how it interacts with life

>>2348462
Inform yourself properly about the care and read about spider ecology and biology.

Here are some rather extensive guides: https://tomsbigspiders.wordpress.com/beginner-guides/

But really, caring for a spider is piss easy compared to almost anything else, if you have a basic understanding of them it should be no problem at all.

>>2348462
go ahead, tarantulas are probably the most low-maintenance pets out there. All it takes is an enclosure setup, bi-weekly water changes and throwing in a cricket every week or so.

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So I decided I'm getting a couple of these cuties. Any tips?

>>2348471
They actually live in deep burrows which they only leave at night. If you want to properly care for them you will almost never see them. The way you seem them kept and displayed is wrong 99% of the time.

Are those Petco mesh screen tops okay to have over a tarantula cage? I was thinking of getting a Brazilian black and I heard they can chew through even that metal. Is that true?

If it is, what top do you recommend over a basic 10 gallon aqueon aquarium?

>>2348481
> was thinking of getting a Brazilian black
I assume that's supposed to be Grammostola pulchra? If so, good luck. Beautiful species, but they grow so slowly that a decently sized one could set you back a few hundred bucks, if you can find one.

>I heard they can chew through even that metal. Is that true?
Yes. Depends on the individual character of the spider but there's always a chance. Won't happen over night though, usually.

>what top do you recommend over a basic 10 gallon aqueon aquarium?
I'd recommend not using an aquarium for keeping anything but fish. No cross ventilation really encourages molt to grow and makes it very easy, especially for a beginner, to fuck up the humidity. Get either a decently sized plastic box and add some ventilation yourself or a proper glass or acryclic tarantula enclosure.

>>2348484
>molt
mold

I should go to bed.

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This is my Chinese mantis (Tenodera sinensis). I bought some cocoons off Amazon and after they hatched I raised one of them. She was eating fruit flies but has recently gotten big enough to eat small crickets. She is about 2 inches long right now, growing very fast.

So I have a question about Chinese mantids. Is it true they change color based on the environment they grow up in? She's brown on top and green on the bottom right now. I put a green plant in there in hopes of making her turn green.

>>2348475
Yeah I heard about that. That's why I've got a huge 70g tank with soil about half a foot deep. Does that sound about right?

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>bro I'm just a stick, why are you messing with a stick?
>get away from the stick, weirdo

>>2348504
>crickets
please stop feeding her crickets

>>2348690
Not him, but supposedly the crickets diet determines whether or not it's poisonous to mantids.

That said I'm not letting crickets near mine.

>>2348504
I think higher light exposure (with greenery) also increases the chance of a green mantis

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nom

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>>2348541
Sounds great actually. How many do you plan to put in there?

Anyway, you might not need that much substrate actually. You can try to make a slope, quite steep, towards the back or from one side into which they can burrow. To them that makes the substrate a lot deeper (pic related, you should be able to get close to two feet). Substrate should be a mix of topsoil and clay, quite a lot of clay. Jungle soil is usually damn full of the stuff and they can dig in it just fine. Another part of the substrate should be sand.

They also need a bowl of freshwater (enriched with some calcium) and a bowl of saltwater. To get the salinity right mix it like saltwater fishkeepers do it. The bowls should be big enough for them to submerge at least half way. Clean the bowls thoroughly (boiling water) twice a week, you really want to keep these clean. Then they need a souce of calcium that's always available, like a cuttlebone.

Temps a bit above room temp are fine, humidity...well you don't actually have to care since your animals can burrow but the soil should never dry out.

You might also want to try the red LED thing to watch them at night.

>>2348783
Crickets from all sources are infected with gregarines and the gregarines in crickets happen to infect mantids as well, except they don't survive it. They block the digestive tract and kill the mantis.

Kill a cricket and cut its digestive tract open if you feel like it. There are so many you can actually see them move with just a low power magnifying glass.

>>2348504
>Is it true they change color based on the environment they grow up in?
It's actually unknown if any mantis species does this. It would be very possible but it seems like their color doesn't change and instead they wander to an environment that matches their color instead. How they know what color they are is unknown too.

So Ephebopus cyanognathus slings are actually arboreal, huh?

Only one source mentioned it so I gave my two just a small piece of vertical corkbark but a day later they're both sitting behind it and have started making nets.

Does anyone know at what size they start burrowing? They're about 3/4th of an inch currently.

>>2348825
Ey, thanks for the info. I gonna get 2 females. I'll definitely try slope. I was thinking of putting some kind of wood structure in the middle if the shallow pool, kinda simulating a mangrove like structure.

>>2348854
you can buy actual mangrove wood/roots as decoration for fishtanks

add a few plants and nice LED light and you're gonna get an amazing natural look

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>>2348481
>>2348484
I don't like how hard it is to open KKs without startling the spider, so I make plexiglass lids for mine. It's pretty easy, the hinges and latches are glued on with SCIGRIP 3 acrylic solvent.

>>2348826

I read this: http://www.mantidkingdom.com/are-crickets-bad-for-mantids/

Apparently it has to do with the diet the crickets eat. What's a better food choice?

I'm looking at the food choices:

https://www.keepinginsects.com/general-care/live-food/

I'm sure she can eat flies, and probably small caterpillers. Would Petsmart have these? If not, where would I find them?

Is 25€ for a 2,5cm (1") P. metallica sling overpriced or not?

>>2348915
sounds good, you probably won't find anything lower than that

>>2348915
That's a pretty good deal actually. Prices won't come down for another few years I suspect.

>>2348892
That's very anecdotal evidence. Also I do know that gregarines can be a problem and those will be in the crickets regardless of diet. Good food might reduce their numbers though.

If you care for the wellbeing of your animals you never give them store bought feeders directly anyway, you always wait until they've passed the awful garbage they get normally and feed them better stuff.

Crickets will eat almost anything. Mine get oatmeal, fish flake food, dried Gammarus or occasionally fruit like apple or banana.

I still wouldn't feed crickets to mantids, they're just bad in general. They bite and will kill a mantis if it can't defend itself. The females lay eggs in enclosures with substrate and you're gonna have to deal with dozens of these tiny little shits everywhere and the males are loud and annoying.

The main food for almost any mantis should be different sizes of flies (Small Drosophila, big drosophila, flightless houseflies, greenbottle flies, bluebottle flies, in that order). You can get all of these online at live food dealers. Pet stores should have both variety of fruit flies and houseflies. Some pet stores have green and bluebottle fly maggots but angling supply stores will have them for sure. Locusts and roaches are also an option but roaches can be annoying to feed since they hide and burrow.

Also you can catch stuff from outside but only if you're 100% certain what it is and that it's not dangerous.

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>>2348809
double nom

>>2348927

Okay, I ordered some blue bottle fly pupae online. I might need to get something bigger eventually. Chinese mantises can potentially get six inches long.

>>2348946
If given the choice they prefer smaller prey. Pretty much any mantis at any size I know just loves eating dozens of small flies. Something about their movement just triggers their hunting instinct and hunger. It's also much easier to regulate their food intake with smaller prey.

>>2348946
>Chinese mantises can potentially get six inches long.
Absolutely not. Not even if you erroneously include the wings in that measurement. The body length is around 4.5 inches.

So what do you guys use for T feeders? I've got a 2 inch b. albo coming in soon and I'm pretty excited. Probably gonna buy some dubia online to try, but I hear some Ts are picky eaters when it comes to roaches. I can get crickets from PetSmart or a local tackleshop, not sure which would be better. Should I bother with protein dusting or gut loading?

>Absolutely not. Not even if you erroneously include the wings in that measurement. The body length is around 4.5 inches.

And that's what happens when you try to convert cm to inches in your head. 'Murica


>>2348961

Okay, I was worried a 4.5 inch creature wouldn't even be able to hold on to small flies with those arms. I'll just give her blue bottle flies then. I'd rather have those escape into my condo than crickets, anyway. I'm probably going to regret it when those crickets that escaped from me reach adulthood and start chirping.

I actually tried to handling my mantis for the first time today. She didn't try to jump or fly away. She just kind of walked around on my hands and arms and would stop to groom herself. She would look me in the eyes too. I think mantises might be able to make the association that two eyes=face, since they seem to eat be able to figure out where their prey's head is and eat that first. From stories I've read of people keeping them as pets they seem like they're quite intelligent, though nothing near the level of something like a portia spider. Portia spiders are crazy.

>>2348934
>Gee BIll! Why does your owner let you have TWO mealworms?

>>2349042
fluffing adorable

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Can any Anons tell me what bug this is? It looks like a ladybug larva but I'm not sure

Located in Central Texas.

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I posted this in /aq/ but I hope maybe you guys can help identify it too. This is a crayfish I got from a petstore that came in with their feeder goldfish shipment. After googling it seems like it could be Procambarus cubensis or Procambarus clarkii (white.)

Any guesses? I can try getting more pics if needed.

>>2349055
Yeah that's a ladybug alright.

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where my beetle buddies at?

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Cute little Lace Web spider I found in the garden

>>2349082
wht a qt

Too bad we only have hobo spiders here in Idaho

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>>2349075

Any Germanfags in here?
Do you know reputable T sellers from Germany, preferrably with shipping?

>>2349199
I'm no German, but I know one of the biggest sites about Ts is German. Google "Vogelspinnen." I don;t get any German breeders here in my 'murican internet, but I can guarantee you the guys at Vogelspinnen will set you right. Some of them are on arachnoboards and they're pretty chill guys

>>2349199
terraristik.com got their own category for spiders with shitloads of classifieds

>>2349199
Matthias Köhler, haarigeachtbeiner.de
Nils Belker, spinnenfarm.com
Jörg Bernhardt, schaben-spinnen.de
zoohaus-ws.de
Sven Köppler, [email protected] (Schreib ihm ne nette mail und frag nach artenliste)
terraristik.com für tausende von Kleinanzeigen

>>2349205
arachnophilia.de is another huge site with actually good and detailed care sheets, a huge forum, their own classifieds section and a list of who has which spider with over 116k spiders listed.

vogelspinnenforum.ch is a swiss site which also has excellent caresheets. By cross checking and comparing these two you will get extremely good information.

>>2349005
>I think mantises might be able to make the association that two eyes=face

Actually they're looking at your pupil, which always moves tiny amounts so they assume it is prey. Don't try to hold your mantis to close to your eyes, she might try to go for it. Chameleons do this as well btw.

>>2349214
>Jörg Bernhardt, schaben-spinnen.de
that guy is fucking great!
I often bought animals from him

>>2348962
>The body length is around 4.5 inches.
not even that, more like 9cm

Blue bottles will work well for this species

>>2349070
might be a Procambarus sp.
Looks like he/she has still some growing to do

Where did the shipment come from?
How big is the crayfish?

Oh, I don´t think it´s P. clarkii white, as these are a lot "cleaner" even when small

>>2349278
Really? It looks a bit too grayish to be that one at least from google pics... also its eyes are not black. Molting maybe?

Also the goldfish apparently came in from Gentry & Canterberry fish farm in Arkansas.

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>not my pic, just same species and I've filled the thread with enough pics of her already.

Man, now that she's /woke/ she a a skittery little thing. I open the lid and the force scares the poor thing the death. But then, if I touch her or pick her up, she's as calm as can be. Myabe she just knows my scent/taste after having picker her up a bit during the whole transition from tupperware to enclosure.

How do your spiders react to your touch, /an/? Do they get more aggressive? More relaxed?

>>2349360
The only spider that I have at the moment that's really big enough to handle is a Poecilotheria, so I'd rather not find out.

>>2349364
Sounds like fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hceNe_eswQg

>>2349360
did you try the LEDs yet?

>>2349373
Not just yet.

I know she moves around at night, I see silk all over the damn substrate. I just gotta find time to go buy some cheap LEDs.

I am usually a crappy sleeper, so maybe I'll get some pics while she's active

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Getting a Vietnamese Centipede in a bout a week. Any tips on making his/her experience and mine the best it can be? Housing tips? Also, call me whatever you want, but can he/she handle live mice at about 6 inches long?

>>2349395
>Any tips on making his/her experience and mine the best it can be?
No handling, get two pairs of long tweezers, if the pede runs up the first one drop it and use the 2nd one to retrieve it.

>Housing tips?
https://desuarchive.org/an/thread/2323551/#2326525

Big box since they like to move. Sturdy since they will try to destroy anything. Secure lid since they are much more powerful than you think. Top opening because they are too fast for you to react if they decide to bolt.

>can he/she handle live mice at about 6 inches long?
Nope. No S. subspinipes could take that without serious risk of injury. It can kill it but I'd give the advantage to the mouse. Also it's simply too big to fit into the prey spectrum, it likely won't even try to attack the mouse.
I wouldn't feed anything that's bigger than 1/3rd the length of the pede (without legs or antenna) and not much wider. Adult locusts or dubias are perfect.

>>2349395
I wouldn't give her vertebrates until she's fully grown

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>>2349395
why do you tiny-dicked pieces of shit get animals just to feed live mice to them? this poses such a huge risk to the animal eating the mouse most of the time unless it's significantly larger. don't be such a fag.

Where can I find the pdf for this boys? Its not even on my anonymouse
http://www.ultimateexotics.co.za/wp-content/uploads/TarantulaKeepersGuide.jpg

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>>2349535
WHOOPS

>>2349538
just get it on amazon

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anyone know if this is a brown or american dog tick?

>>2349561
brown dog tick

>>2349581
thanks, thats what i thought. the basis capituli was more produced than my other american dog ticks, just looking for a second opinion.

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>>2349588
n-e time mate

>>2344578
I found that people get weirded out when you say you like tarantulas. Fuck those people

>>2349634
Well, it is to be expected. Most people are afraid of spiders, but with a little familiarization, that fear can be at least partially over come.

Take my roommate for example. He's still scared of Felicia, but as I've introduced the two, he's gotten used to her, and he even takes care of her when I'm gone, managing the heater and making sure her enclosure stays at the right temp and humidity.

>>2345749
Aren't tarantula hairs meant to cause irritation to predators?

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>>2349647
On New World species and normally only on the opithosoma, yeah

>>2349647
That's why you pet the legs, not the butt

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>>2348213
>>2348241
>>2348254
Here it is now, I didn't expect it to eclose so soon.

>>2348260
Thanks again for the ID, Anon.

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H. coronatus are so photogenic
shame I only have my mobile phone..

why did i wreck my camera, god damnit

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>>2349962
>tfw Parymenopus are pretty much nonexistent in the pet trade

>>2349962
>not even pink

0/10 try again

Just kidding, nice image, especially for a phone camera.

>>2350027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLw-9dpHtcU

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They're here! Gonna get them nice and cozy in their new home.

>>2350040
crab-o is cute

>>2350040
>snibbedy snab

>>2350040
Cute. CUTE!

Show us the completed setup as well.

>>2349535
Buy it and look at all the pretty pictures.

All the info is already out there, people cite that book all the time.

Does anyone here ever make a backdrop for their terrariums?

I wanted to cover the walls with construction paper to black out a couple of sides. But then I thought I could make a backdrop instead.

So far I'm thinking of making it look like the Roman Colosseum

Any other ideas?

>>2350027
>>2350032
My LPS carries Sicarus, they're so cute but I don't keep anything hot :(

>>2349970
>not even pink
I tried, m8
not one of the females turned pink..
Well, whether pink or white, they all look pretty much the same as adults anyway

>>2349967
sadly, yes
I´m looking for them for quite some time now, but holy fuck, these are hard to find

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>caterpillars have wrinkles
I love them even more

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>>2350092

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>>2350094
They are such stupid looking animals and I adore them.
>those DSL

>>2350089
get a Heteropoda instead

also cute and doesn't really need it very hot

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>>2350092
Sharp paws

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>>2350100
invert paws are the cutest

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>>2350098
I meant "hot" as in potent venom, I have a "No Old World tarantulas" policy 'cause I'm a pussy.

I never got into huntsman or jumping spiders cause of the short lifespan. I'll stick with Ts.

Also posting more spidey paw

>>2350115
>dat windows 98 scroll bar

>>2350122
Now now, it could also be Windows 2000 Professional

>>2350124
Or just the classic windows theme...
>muh it's not aero must be so old duuuh

>>2350219
You must be an absolute joy to talk to.

>>2349265
>>2349226
>>2349214
>>2349211
>>2349205
Thanks, guys.

Is there a more friendly kinda T or are they all about the same temperment?

>>2350230
Oh no, they span the entire range from completely and utterly docile over don't touch me you filthy casual to KILL MAIM DESTROY DIE.

Also individuals within a species can differ in temperament as well.

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>>2350230
New World species are generally more docile and sometimes skittish

Old world species are pure attitude

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>>2350230
Euathlus sp. red is probably as far as a friendly tarantula goes. They seem pretty chill and 'curious' for the lack of a better word.

>>2350243
Thanks! Was thinking about getting into caring for one because pf this thread but want a spooder who would maybe be easier for a first

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>>2350273
Euathlus sp. Red are quite easy to care for and an excellent beginner T. Go for it.

>>2350243
>want an Euathlus sp. red so badly
>they are a native species and many people sell wildcaught specimens illegally
>have to go through lots of paperwork and bullshit to own them
I hope they're worth it

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Alright Maybe these pics will get some definitive answers.

1.) How close is she to pre-molt? I now know about the thing with cameras enhancing a spider's color, especially with flash, but even with flash, hers are still dull

2.) I may have big hands, but I know she's gonna get bigger. Just how much bigger can I expect her to get? I've seen zebras that are about the same size as people's hands, but then again, I have big-ish hands (Around (8 inches from tip of middle finger to bottom of palm (20 cm)

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>>2350333

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>>2350333
Looking at the butt is a much better indication of premolt in NWs, she doesn't look close to me. Her butt will get black and shiny as the new urticating patch shows through her exoskeleton. How visible this is will depend on how many hairs she has left back there, of course.

I wouldn't expect more than 5" from her, and it might take a while. If you want something big and fast growing, you'll have to look outside the Aphonopelma genus (not that you need to, they're my favorites).

>>2350354
I know about the butt, it's just that even though she's skittish, she's very calm around me and hasn't even shown desire to flick hairs at me, though i hear they start flicking randomly when they get close

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>>2349075
Here some of my Oryctes owariensis; still don't know how to tell males and females apart since the horn doesn't indicate the gender.

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>>2350355
I've never had any of my adult Aphonos flick at me. Temperament varies by species, and individual.

They don't start flicking randomly as far as I know, but they do construct a molt mat immediately before molting, and kick hairs onto that. I hope you get the chance to observe that.

Why does my Hermit crabs always nip me when i allow them to crawl up my palm?

And how to force them to let go without hurting them (AKA putting them in scalding water)?

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Just ordered a Camponotus rufipes Queen with 7 Workers. Very excited. Apparently they can get pretty big for Ants and have a fast brood cycle. Nice colouration with black body and red legs too.

>>2350495
>>2349075
Aren't beetles boring as hell? Like they spend 99% of their lifes as a fat buried larva and only a couple weeks as an actual beetle?

>>2350040
SNIBETI SNAB :-DDDDD

>>2350512
Hermit crabs are shy. I wouldn't touch them too much.

>>2350513
Have to move them to the moulting/isolation tank lol
And Once they nipped me, they never let go.

Got a feeling my Hermits are more aggressive than the usual Hermits.
I always heard a shitton of loud chirping at night
Had to sort them once in a while.

P.S How do you get rid of the Gnats in the Tank?

>>2350517
Yeah that is weird, usually they just retract in their shell if you touch them.

Also Gnats will always be there in moist/warm tanks. Maybe try cleaning more? But there is no way to get 100% rid of them.

>>2350519
Shit... I'm kinda afraid the Gnats would harass my Hermits while they are moulting.

But there are bigger problems.
Just yesterday, I found my smaller White Hermit took over a larger Blue hermit's shell

Not sure if I should raise them separate

>>2350512
>Why does my Hermit crabs always nip me when i allow them to crawl up my palm?
The salt on your skin is absolutely delicious to them.

>And how to force them to let go without hurting them (AKA putting them in scalding water)?
Just pull, they're gonna let go before you hurt them. Or maybe your skin will, who knows. Best try to just nudge them to walk off on their own.

>>2350524
Last time I pulled gently, the hermit literally nearly sprang out of its shell.

I am also apprehensive about pulling because I might cause the unnecessary loss of appendages

The Phidippus regius have hatched! Still in the eggsack but there's dark dots and they've definitely moved in there.

Do I take them out or let them in? Their mother still seems very attached to that eggsack, in fact she's sitting on it right now.

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>>2350513

>Aren't beetles boring as hell?

That's a matter of perception I'd say. Watching the grubs slowly evolve and turn the substrate to pellets or build their pupal cells right next to a transparent wall is kind of entertaining and finding dozens of grubs in the substrate after the beetles have passed away is quite an excitement to me.
I've had beetles which lived for nearly as long as it took them to evolve into imagines from first instar grubs.

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>>2350640
I mean I like watching Insects evolve too but Beetles are just too slow and boring to me. They still look pretty cool though I suppose, especially the males.

To each their own I guess.

>>2350640
>>2350649
>evolve

you mean develop
evolving is something that happens across generations, not within them

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>>2350525
just try to spook them, they should let go then (quickly open you hand in front of them)
at least mine do

also, maybe they just try to hold on to your hand, so they don't fall down

>>2350545
I would let them be with their mom for a bit
Phidippus do not attack anything that small

Also, are you the anon who looks for a D. diadema male?
I asked my friend, he doesn't have any spare Damon males right now, but he might have some in the near future
I'll keep you updated

Do you guys think it would be too stressful to rehouse a 1 3/4-2" sling? Just got it today and its a bit smaller than I thought it was going to be, its in a medium kritter keeper right now but I'm picking up a sling/juvenile enclosure for it tomorrow. Would moving it a day after it getting shipped in be too much stress?

>>2350756
My T was fine when i put her in her new enclosure a day after shipping, but she's an adult/sub-adult. I can only assume a sling might need more time to cope

>>2350760
Hmm I guess I'll wait and see how she is tomorrow. Put her in and she explored a little, then found her hide and has been way down in the substrate underneath it since this morning. I assume this is pretty normal for a sling/juvie? I dropped a small dubia with its head crushed into the enclosure so hopefully she'll go after that.

>>2350756
Should be fine as long as you keep the actual disturbance to a minimum. Open old container, maneuver sling directly into new container, done.

>walls in my P. formosas shiny new glass terrarium are so clean she very slowly slides down them
>she doesn't even notice and is surprised when she eventually hits the ground

kek

>>2350790
footage pls

>>2350805
She went back in her hide after this. I think she had enough.

past bump limit again, new thread needed in a few hours

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>>2350823
I'll get us when it happens

>>2350832
it looks sad

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>>2350834
Poor albiceps