Dogs in Post-Apocalypse: Yes or No?

>>2341476
depends on whether it's trained or not. some family golden retriever probably won't be much more than emotional support.

>>2341476
I'd eat a neighbour before I eat my dog.

>>2341489

OP, here. Take up fishing or hunting, then.

With a heavily decreased population, all the game animals would breed like crazy, meaning in a couple years, you'll have deer, turkey and boar running all over the place.

I think the post-apocalypse (not nuclear, of course) would be good for the environment, since the o-zone would repair itself, deforestation would be reversed after dome decades, and all the wild endangered animals would repopulate. Just stay away from cities with a nuclear power plant whose uranium rods cause a meltdown without proper cooling.

>>2341476

One of the greatest benefits to having a dog is simply another set of eyes and ears. If you are not sure you heard something or not, you can look at your dog and see if he's perked up. If something is behind you, you can see your dog staring at it.

These are really trivial things that we take advantage of in day to day life. In a survival scenario? That would be priceless.

>>2341499
Game might as well not exist in my area.
I wouldn't trust anything coming out the water either.

>Just stay away from cities with a nuclear power plant whose uranium rods cause a meltdown without proper cooling.
If shit happens too fast for safety procedures, I'd need a two thousand kilometers trek to reach a place safe from radioactive shit carried by the winds.

>>2341499
The way plants in the US are built it's unlikely they'd even catch fire.

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>>2341518
This. Well not so much as a set of eyes, we have pretty damn good vision and dogs don't, but they have good ears and a very good sense of smell. Having a full set of top of the line senses would be extremely useful.

Absolutely, they are almost invaluable. They are one of our main species of work animal, can do a multitude of tasks, don't require much space, and can live off scraps. That's very very useful.

The only other thing I would try to snag would be a donkey or dairy cow, but preferably both.

>>2341573
The other set of eyes in Anon's example still works. And dogs have different priorities and differently wired brains, my dog definitely notices all kinds of rabbits and mice better than me, I only know they're around because I see her expression change and I look where she's looking.

>>2341578
>my dog definitely notices all kinds of rabbits and mice better than me
Because he pays attention to exactly that kind of thing. You can train yourself to do that too.

For example I'm an entomologist and I notice tons and tons of bugs, spiders and so on everywhere that other people don't (had quite a few encounters in the rainforest where people almost put their hand on a tree with a wandering spider and so on). I have a friend who's into birds, when we go outside he spots literally dozens of birds that I might not even see if he's directly pointing at them. Another guy is big into frogs reptiles and when we do night tours in the tropics he points out frogs and snakes that I almost step on and he's still bad compared to the natives.

I notice an extremely stark difference when I go outside with "normies" (as in people that aren't into nature), they are practically blind. It's all about focusing your attention and training yourself.

>>2341476
humans arent practical in post-apocalypse
stop fantasizing about that retarded shit

>>2341584
I really doubt I'll ever look at a field in fallow covered in grass waving with the wind and spot a mouse there as easily as my dog does.
Also I said "better" (or I guess "faster" or "earlier" would fit better), not that I was completely blind.

>>2341587
>I really doubt I'll ever look at a field in fallow covered in grass waving with the wind and spot a mouse there as easily as my dog does.

Our Tico guides in Costa Rica spot completely camouflaged snakes in the middle of the night when a flashlight passes over them for half a second. Some people in our group didn't see it until we poked it with a stick. Do not underestimate yourself. Living in the city dulls the senses. Birdfag friend has spotted and correctly identified small birds at 300ft. I can tell the difference between a wasp and a wasp mimicking hoverfly at 30 feet.

You know what, when you take your dog for a walk just try it and keep at it for a few weeks. Stand still and spot and use your dog to train yourself.

If you want to start rebuilding civilization after an apocalypse you'll definitely want a cat bro for your food silo.

>>2341476
My dog has already caught a bird, a squirrel, and many lizards. He has defended me and himself from off-leash dogs. Im not giving the fucker up, I need him.

>>2341499
>I think the post-apocalypse would be good for the environment
But what about the invasive species that have to be regulated with hunting so they don't damage the ecosystem?

>>2341612
That's what I was thinking, too. That's why they were considered holy in Ancient Egypt: they kept granaries and food stashes safe from mice and rats, while preventing disease in doing so.

But that's definitely when you've started up or found a legit home or settlement, and not when you're wandering.


What other animals would be useful? Another anon already mentioned donkeys and cattle. Could pigs be used as companions, for food foraging (is that only for truffles?) and defense, since they're so aggressive?

Horses would be good, too, for transportation after gasoline evaporates and all the abandoned cars become useless.


>>2341639
That's the thing. Predators will repopulate like crazy, too, so all the millions of deer and boars will be kept in check by wolves and bears, who will no longer be endangered.

>>2341639
The worst one would be gone and balance would be restored, at least for a few hundred years.

>>2341578
>>2341573
>>2341518
>>2341584

When I said extra set of eyes, I meant that they could see behind you while you were facing forward. If they noticed something, they'd raise their head and look in that direction ... they alert you to things that aren't in your line of sight. Super important.

Sometimes, I'll be on the couch, and think I hear something outside but I'm not sure what or where it's coming from. How excited the dog gets tells me how unusual the noise is, and he'll usually go investigate, telling me where it's coming from.

That's all I meant. Nothing super-biological. Just day to day stuff that we take for granted. Everyone with a dog knows what I'm talking about.

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>>2341476
For the person choosing to live in the wilderness(esp a loner)
Border collie, Irish wolfhound, borzoi, kangal, Caucasian Ovcharka, whippet, greyhound, Scottish Deerhound, bloodhound, Akita(American and Japanese), husky, basenji, ridgebacks,
For a city dweller or person living in a crude community setting, it is best to have a protective or working dog.
Rottweiler, pit-bull, American bulldog, American bully, German Shepard, Doberman, Bullmastiff, English Mastiff, Bernese Mountain Dog, Argentine dogo, Cane Corson, Leonberger, Leonberger, Staffordshire,

>>2341499
>o-zone
Ozone is a chemical, not a "zone" friend.

>>2341990
But it IS also a zone where ozone exists

>>2341499
Of course, the environment doesn't care about anything, it might change for some time, but its literally indestructible. The only thing we are screwing over by being reckless is humanity.

>>2341978
Sure, but what I said still holds true. What you described there in the end is your dogs superior hearing adding to your own, which would be extremely useful in a post apocalypse scenario. They also have an amazing sense of smell. A dog that is trained to properly utilize these senses would be absolutely priceless to have. That + your superior eyes and you have an advantage over almost anything and anyone that could be dangerous to you. Of course you have to train yourself to actually use your eyes as well. The chart I posted is true, we have among the best eyesight among mammals (during the day). If you actually learn to LOOK you should be able to spot predators and other dangers much further away with much less contrast difference than almost any other animal.

>>2342039
It is also the name of the band that gave us this smash hit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4xc3dXDE5I

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>>2341981
Pitbulls can also make great hunting or survival dogs.
1. Great dense muscle mass and body strength
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCOVKxGy9E
2. Powerful jaws that lock onto targets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB785jYPRBU
3. Good agility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lluU6zLU56I
4. Jumps far and high
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXPMLfDnSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3b59LFarlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtYaU1lePI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4oPew_UHS8
5. Very durable breeds, thanks to their musculature and strong willed determination.
I like to use mines for boar hunting, which are resilient animals that will almost certainly exist in a post-apocalyptic world. Boars may even possibly dominate even over deer, elk, moose, and bison if enough evolutionary time was given after this scenario.

>>2342334
Pitbull jaws don't actually lock. That's propaganda to make people scared of "nigger dogs"

>>2342334
>Boars may even possibly dominate even over deer, elk, moose, and bison if enough evolutionary time was given after this scenario.

This boars eat almost anything, they breed like crazy and not alot of things want to mess with one

>>2342381
Ofc they don't lock they just dont let go

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>>2342381
>Pitbull jaws don't actually lock
Yeah, everyone knows that.

What people are referring to is the fact that they have a powerful jaws that cause a vicelike grip due to the pressure, which they then use to rip and tear. This is what makes them efficient hunting and fighting dogs.

>>2341577
>a whole dairy cow

A goat would seem more practical.

>>2341640
For story purposes I've kind of wondered what it would be like to have a tamed elephant in this situation. Realistically I guess it'd be more trouble than its worth, but it's a really cool image.

Cattle, sheep, goats, and other assorted domestic grazers would run amok on every continent save Antarctica. The Great Plains would replenish its turf within a generation. They would quickly wildize and not be amicable to human redomestication.

Honestly just seems like it would make you a bigger target. It's going to bark at anything that comes near, sure it will alert you. But that goes both ways.
Ideally you wouldn't want to be noticed period or you are just going to end up in someone's soup pot.
I guess they'd be ok in a fortified community where you've already got walls and obstacles preventing people from bum rushing/sniping at you, but otherwise low profile solo seems the way to go.

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Did anyone else watch I Am Legend and think "he's gotta be fucking that dog"

>>2342740
Him being pent up was the thing that got him killed in the book

>>2341584
Visitor from /k/ here;
You pretty much just described what I do with helicopters and small fixed-wing aircraft.
I can confirm it's all about just training yourself or being interested enough to pay attention to details. For example, I can identify the approximate size and rotor configuration of helicopters by the sound their rotors make.

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>>2342740
>No,not at all and I question your mental health even more...
He was just presumably the last human alive. No humans are even responding to radio transitions over the years he tried to receive and send messages. All he had left was that dog, which was the only living member of his family. Thus that dog (which was also his survival partner) became an even more vital part of his life literally, emotionally, and psychologically (which lead to a major part of the film); very reflective of a large part of what it is to be human.

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>>2342751
That moment, when everything flips on its head... Everything Neville had gotten used to as 'normal' just got shuck in single day by beings craftier than he thought; creatures that seem to have been studying him and even learning his tricks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtFFww0Wdk0

Yes. My GSD is enrolled in a Schutzhund training course and once I get him IPO certified I can't imagine surviving the apocalypse (or civil war) without him. Now my other four dogs would be a liability, not sure how I'd be able to survive feeding them whilst they give away our position at every noise.

>>2341499
Are there any maps of safe places to be in the case of worldwide meltdowns?

>>2342977
Minnesota
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2epmjt_ltww-s01e07-survivalists_sport

>>2342740
no

I've thought about this a lot.
I have a husky mix rescue, and I think he could be very useful. Also to lead e.g. zombies away, as he would probably react to them in a similar manner that he would to a drunk person, bark and run.
If you and your dog would be separated, you could also use a dog whistle to call him back without making a lot of noise.

However, I've been watching a puppy since December and I mainly take walks in the forests.. She's cool and all, but whenever there is another person closing in, she barks and doesn't stop. She's scared of strangers and would only be in my way. I don't even know what I'd do, probably kill her myself in the least harmful way possible.
When with my husky, he can sit totally still and just watch people pass by, so I don't think he's cause a problem. That is, unless the people passing by would also have a dog. The other dog would smell you and your dog too, and your dog could probably cause you more trouble.

A dog can also carry a lot of stuff which is nice. A lot more than what they would need to eat/drink. They can also eat a lot of stuff we wouldn't handle without getting sick.

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>>2341981
No Great Dane?
They would make excellent protective and working dogs. They were even bread for war and were known to ward off evil spirits. They are even known to brave, very loyal, and even cuddly to their owners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXzZwEauNng

>>2341499

Nuclear reactors in the U.S shut themselves down by design when something goes catastrophically wrong i.e extreme overheating.

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>>2341499
> t. the Unabomber

Read Bookchin.

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>>2341480
I think any of them would be useful to keep an eye out while you're sleeping, even something totally retarded like a Shih Tzu would be worth throwing some scraps now and then if it makes a shitload of noise when something tries to sneak up on you at night.

Or failing that one of those psychic talking dogs that helps you track down women

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>>2341981
forgot spaniels friend

proper ones, not fashion ones

pic related

>>2345595
Stop forcing cancerous leftypol memes on every single board you post on.

>>2345588
They may be shut down, but there's no one to dispose of all of the waste. Eventually like all constructs of man they will collapse and spread uranium dust through the region.

>>2345559
>They would make excellent protective and working dogs.

Nope.

The breed has had pretty much all of its working character and aggression breeded out of it, to be replaced with shitty genetics that cause disease and a short life span.

>>2345559
>bread
>>2346186
>breeded

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?

Didn't see a dog general, but this seems like as good a place as any to ask this:

Going innawoods for a few days with my Great Pyr and I was wondering what kind of booties would be good for him (if any at all). I've had to return 2 pairs because they were too small/fell off his paws. Anyone know a good brand for a giant dog breed?

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>>2341476
In a post apocalyptic world, whatever humans are left would have a high likelihood of betraying or leaving you when things get bad. But never forget the closest thing out there truly capable of loving you for who you are and would actually be with you to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UexoKOu47s

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cijXMC5AEjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN5mkFz0K44

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>>2347059

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>>2347059
After reading that...

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>>2347059
inb4 shovel dog