/aq/-Aquarium General

Can I breed neon tetras in a 5 gallon?

Will a small (2-3 inch drop) waterfall be detrimental to shrimp? I'm aware of drip changes and their love of stable water parameters which is why I ask.

>>2339626
If used only as a breeding grounds and a place to raise fry, yes.

>>2339628
Waterfall filters aren't necessarily detrimental to shrimp. High flow is, and if the intake is left bare, small shrimp can be sucked into the filter and chopped up by the impeller. You can fix the latter by using a prefilter sponge such as the Fluval Edge one.

>>2339108
Why do you want two males instead of a male and a female? They'll both look way better with a potential fuckbuddy anyway.

Go to check on my crayfish and my female has no more eggs. Fuck. It's been two days. I see one egg.

>>2339668
what do you think happened? bad eggs or abortion due to inexperience?

>>2339737
I think abortion. When I turned the light on in the morning and checked on her a few eggs fell off. Then she I tried to collect them and she took off. Didn't see her for about two days and she came out to eat today with no eggs. I may have interrupted her trying to secure them when I turned the light on in the morning.

>amano shrimp are living in the cave i made
>dwarf crayfish is tending the plants
isn't it supposed to be reverse

>>2339764
This world is going to shit.

>>2339764
>>2339768

Shh anon, shh.

Mara takes care of all.

I want to stay up and play with my fishes but it's night time :c

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Got my mister in the mail, still waiting on the mangrove saplings.

>>2339810
I turned my shrimp tank light out a few hours ago and now here I am lying on the floor watching them (tanks in my 60 gallon tank cabinet stand)

>>2339825
;~;

My betta probably wouldn't mind the attention, but he needs his aleep...

>>2339830
He doesn't work. He can sleep all day. Come over and watch my tanks OwO

>>2339552
Is it THAT bad to have your tank near a window where it'll get a bunch of light? Heard some people making a fuss about it. I'm getting a new tank soon and the only place I can fit it is right next to a window unless I buy a stand.

>>2339852
Lots of algae if you aren't dosing co2

>>2339852
Just put a shade or curtain up

>>2339854
Not dosing co2, but it will be a low tech planted 40g. Just on the glass? I can probably manage unless it's really bad. It gets about I DID want to get more snails. The window faces south, so it does get quite a bit of sun.
>>2339858
Housemate thinks they're ugly, so I'm trying to avoid it. Could probably get away with a thin curtain, though.

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Anyone ever kept one of these?

>>2339871
On the glass and hair algae. I've made the mistake before. A background would help.

I have a cycled tank with just white gravel in it and a betta and I want to switch to amazonia substrate to get a mostly black look and also help plant growth. Can I just scoop out my gravel and slowly place some of the amazonia in or will I have to drain the whole tank and replace it? I think if I soak the amazonia with the tank water before placing it in, it should help at least a little bit with sinking and settling. I am not certain though as I have never used amazonia soil before.

>>2339892
I didn't think about it until after posting, but a lot of the bacteria are going to be living in the gravel. So to further complicate things, I'd have to switch out the substrate some sections at a time instead of all at once. How bad is it if the substrate stirs up a bunch?

>>2339852
I have a little tank on my windowsill and it never gets algae. I think the plants manage to outcompete it.

You can just put a black plastic background on the back (and sides) of the tank as a preventative.

>>2339892
Amazonia soil is going to lower PH. Fine for the betta. What you can do is scoop it all out, vac up the nasty shit, put the other substrate down, put the old gravel in some mesh or stocking, and let it sit on top of the new gravel for about a week to be safe.

>>2339877
I want him.

>>2339815
>mangroves.
I hope you live in the south.

>>2339912
Me too. They are illegal in my state though...

Some water got in between the the back of my tank and the black background. It's up real tight against some walls and it'll be a huge pain to get out. Will this just eventually go away or willl I need to redo the back?

Does anyone know what would cause a bichir to just suddenly die? Mine seemed perfectly fine last night; swimming around normally, ate normally, acting friendly as usual. Then I looked this morning and she was dead. It literally looks like she just died mid-swim.

>>2340106
Any other fish in the tank? She could've tried to eat something too big and choked

>>2340106
What do you feed and what is your substrate?

>>2340111
No other fish. Just some pond snails, which she'd been regularly snacking on for years now with no problem. I guess it's possible that she just got unlucky with one this time, but I find that hard to believe considering how small they are and the fact that she was like 7 inches long.

>>2340114
Hikari carnivore pellets, which I break in half for easy eating. Substrate is sand.

>>2340138
Possible impaction

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Does somebody know what plant this is ?

>>2340161
Water sprite

>>2340173
thanks anon

>>2339835
Haha!

What are you asking of me anon? I'm a Christian women!

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What is happening with my plant. I think it is anubias. The ribosome is above the gravel and some other leaves are doing fine.

>>2340218
Looks like it's melting. Sometimes they at grown emersed. How long have you had it and how was packaged and where from?

>>2340231
I got it from Petco. It was in a pot. It was in a large tank. Should I just trim off the leaves. I've had it for about a little less than 2 months.

>>2340231
What's bothering me are all the holes in the leaves. Lots of little ones. You should be able to see them in the pic

>>2340257
>>2340256
More than likely grown above water and losing the growth. Most of the leaves may die back and you'll end up with new growth. It sucks but a lot of aquarium plants are grown like this just so they can grow more quickly and sell them for more.

>>2340257
Pinholes may be a sign of deficiency. You can try root tabs. Is there any new leaf growth on the plant?

>>2340266
It's melting.

>>2340218
Looks like it's dying from being grown emersed. It'll come back.

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>>2340266
>>2340271
>>2340274
>>2340266
There is leaf growth with that one. Also, any idea with this plant? Lower leafs always die on some, others are fine. The tank is the fluvel spec III with the new stock light.

>>2340275
The amanos always eat the dying leaves, they just look hideous like this.

>>2340275
Do you dose any ferts? I know they uptake a lot of nutrients since they grow very fast.

>>2340306
No, it's a small tank. I wouldn't even know how to dose a 2.5 gallon. I've never done live plants before this.

>>2340306
Also, anyone know of a good light for a tank this small. I feel like the one provided doesn't light it well enough. I don't want to spend much either being a college student.

>>2340313
Just a cheap desk lamp and a CFL 5000k or higher. Cheap.

>>2340313
Just put it near a window anon, they don't need a whole lot.

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>>2340311
A single Osmocote root tab would help. Those you can get on eBay. If you want to use liquid ferts, use an eyedropper. One drop is 0.05mL.
Eyedroppers are made to be precise enough to deliver specific doses of medication to something as sensitive as an eye, so they're more than good enough for an aquarium.

Seachem Flourish Comprehensive and Fluorish Excel would be the basic starter ferts, but Elodea (anacharis) can be sensitive to Excel, so you might want to replace it with Ludwigia or Rotala if you go that route.

>>2340313
Do you know how many watts the stock light is? Something like pic related (it's 3 watts) might be better. You could also use both at the same time if you wanted. Or, since they're USB, you can get two lights and a USB plug that has dual outlets.
(This listing is from a Chinese seller. They run about $8-11 from American sellers).

You can also look for hydroponics clip LEDs, which would be very good for plant growth but have the "marijuana room" purple hue to them.

>>2340328
Great for getting all kinds of algae

>>2340337
>>2340325
I'll look into that. I currently use a dropper for my Seachem Prime. Is there any way I can look at which ones kill certain plants. I've got amanos, nerites, and a betta. So if it would do anything to them that'd suck.

>>2340325
I can't find anything aesthetically pleasing :( My table I have this on doesn't have enough room for a chepo desk lamp and it wouldnt be tall enough anyway. You have anything off the top of your mind that would work like what >>2340337 said? Something like that but with a cfl?

>>2339914
I live in Wisconsin but am moving to Florida next year. I keep my house at 72 degrees year round though.
Apparently the person who started them also lives in a northern climate. My only real concern is that they are small saplings at this point and mangroves don't like having their substrate disturbed.
Here's a day time picture of the mist.

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>>2340356
I might actually be retarded as I never ever include my pictures.

>>2340347
Look into the small beamsworks

>>2340362
The only ones I see are super low wattage. Like .5W-1W

>>2340358
They will only grow in brackish or marine

>>2340382
You don't need much for such a small tank.

>>2340382
Btw that's .5-1 watt per led.

>>2340403
Red Mangroves can be grown with some success in fresh water from what I've seen.

The seller also started them in freshwater, and if they are lying I'm just going to get my money back via refund or disputing the purchase.

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>>2340343
The only one that has a reputation for killing certain plants is liquid carbon supplements, like Seachem Excel, which use glutaraldehyde as the active ingredient. AFAIK the main plants that are sensitive to it are Elodea and vals.

>>2340347
Search "clip e27" on eBay. The really cheap ones don't have reflectors, so they'd look pretty bad with CFLs, but they'd work.

>>2340339
I've never had a problem with it as long as it's a low sun window ;)

>>2340411
I think I found a reflector on ebay so that'll work. I'll try the supplement first though. So Seachem Flourish Comp would be fine?

>>2340412
Yeah. They sell it at PetSmart, but it's a lot cheaper online. The dosage works out to 5 drops per 3 gallons, once or twice a week.

>>2340414
Thanks for all the help. You and the other anons.

https://frimge.com/image/4Z

>>2340411
Don't aquatic plants need a source of nitrate and co2? How are those singled out plants doing?

>>2340412
Seachem flourish. Comprehensive isn't enough.

>>2340465
That's what I meant to say oops. Yeah I'm going to pick up a 50ml of just the reg flourish.

>>2340457
Some CO2 dissolves into the water from the atmosphere. Aerobic bacteria probably also contribute.

Plants need nitrogen. It doesn't have to be nitrates specifically. My tap water has chloramines, which may be contributing some nitrogen in the form of ammonia after being dechlorinated. Otherwise it might be due to bacteria again.

Most of those plants are mosses, so they have really minimal nutrient needs. They do well, but they grow slower than they would in a proper tank.

>>2340473
All good. Both in conjunction work really well.

>>2340465
>>2340532
"Seachem Flourish" and "Seachem Flourish Comprehensive" are the same thing. The other one you might be thinking of is "Seachem Flourish Excel."

>>2340544
They're two different products. One supplies macros and very little micros. The other supplies micros and very little macros.

>>2340557
>>2340544
Fuck I'm thinking of a different one. Sorry mate cheers.

>>2340557
>>2340577
No worries. To clarify (and since I already typed this up),
Seachem Flourish is "a comprehensive supplement that provides micro nutrients and some trace nutrients."
There's a separate product called Seachem Trace, which supplies trace nutrients.
There's no product in their lineup that actually has the title "Seachem Flourish Comprehensive." It's just used to refer to Flourish to distinguish it from other products in their lineup that also have "Seachem Flourish" in the name.

Macro elements have their own dedicated products (eg. Iron, Phosphorus, Nitrogen).

>>2340577
First time someone on /aq/ has admitted they're wrong and not spazzing out.

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>>2340577

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r8 my new tank scape

>>2340639
I really like it. 8/10

You need to get some sort of background on it though. The blinds don't do it justice.

>>2340639
8/8 gr8 tank m8

I really, really like how Spring-Timey it looks, if that makes any sense. P.S. scrub those diatoms off the bottom portion of the glass

>>2340642
I kind of like how that looks to be honest, but I have autism so what do I know?

>>2340339
I haven't had a problem so far. The plants out-compete it.

http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.php

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>>2340669
is this bait

Is cooked shrimp good for fish or should it be raw?
Does cooking it make it harder for them to get the nutrients they would otherwise get?

>>2340669
>http://www.petshrimp.com/articles/redcherryshrimpmyth.php

This guy is an idiot. Firstly, if these lines are so "impure" why have hobbyists been able to develop them into higher grade red lines? Even the highest grade neos sometimes throw a WT shrimp.

This guy has no concept of genetics. As it turns out that there are a multitude of genes that control shrimpy opacity and color. And even one color may be controlled by multiple loci. Further complicating this are numerous epistatic genes and possible epigenetic factors that alter coloration and patterning.

Let's also not forget that in any population, it is incredibly difficult to natural extinguish a recessive allele (WT allele in this case). With any shrimp colony you have to cull cull cull in order to maintain line stability. Even then, because of probabilistic mating it is difficult.

>>2340676
Naw, I was just curious what other people thought about what they were saying.

Any recommendations for parasite treatment on a ~8 inch Oscar? I bought some nightcrawlers from a bait shop and fed them to him without isolating them. Dumbass move.

Now he's got white stringy poop and there were tiny white worms swimming in the water. Just finished a 75% water change

>>2340698
Have you tried adding a teaspoon or two of salt and turning the temperature of the tank up to 82 degrees yet?

>>2340698
Also a fertilizer or other product with copper kills inverts in the aquarium pretty well. Read up on that though because I've never tried it. Hopefully someone with more experience on the matter can weigh in.

>>2340409
If there is an establish salinity in their water upon birth, this must not change.

>>2340698
check out hikari prazipro

>>2340698
Are you sure it was the worms? Worms can carry parasites but one that affect pretty much affect land mammals and birds.

>>2340698
Also the swimming worms may have been nematodes as that's one things worms can carry. So it may be that. They're not harmful to all fish but a copper based treatment will kill the nematodes and do damage to live plants.

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Gotta tie it down. Gonna be a kind of a bitch.

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I thought Crayfish were bad to put in a shrimp tank as they would eat the shrimp.

But Aquapros had the opposite happen.

His shrimp killed and ate his crayfish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0auR8ksr8s

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>>2340917
I need to get hold of a CPO but they're illegal in my country.
Nevertheless I've seen them for sale in aquarium stores.

Next time I see one I need to snap one up.

>>2340917
Well the dwarf crays aren't as agressive as the bigger crays. I have three in a 5 gallon with 10 cherry shrimp. Upgrading them into two 20 longs for breeding though. Dwarf crays prefer dead things and decaying plant matter and of course any fish food. I've heard that they have caught small fish before but it's rare.

>>2340917
>Crayfish in a planted tank

ruroh

>>2340929
See >>2340925

>>2340639
6/10. Not really impressed by the choice in hardscape and I think you ought to put more reddish brown plants on the left side of the tank to match those crypts.

It'll still look really nice when it grows in though.

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Hot dog is fine as well. Him and spaghet. get along.

>>2340950
He's also officially measured at 6.5 inches. Spaghet is 3.5.

>>2340952
4 for spaghet actually.

>>2340639
why is the left side no man's land
at least it make it some kind of neat observatory area
10/10 on the right though!

Got some round pellia (subwassertang) for the /aq/ aquacuck store.

>>2340917
>tfw my dwarf crayfish molted right in front of amano shrimp in a 5 gallon
>nothing happened

#notallamanoshrimp

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I never really wanted to discuss this until today, but one of my crayfish's claw has a stub, I've been told it would repair itself after several molts but it's been the same for almost half a year now. This is her just right after molting, is there anything I can do?

A side note, her other claw is completely fine.

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>>2341137
I don't have a lot of experience with them but a friend who used to keep a whole shit ton of them said that sometimes they just don't grow back right. I think it was caused by scar tissue but I'm not sure.

Got my mangroves today, fingers crossed that they do alright in freshwater.

>>2341138
How much did you pay for them the?

>>2341143
I got 7 for $14.

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Angry

Why is it $15 for a ten gallon bare tank, but almost $80 dollars for a twenty gallon bare tank? Wtf??

>>2341150
Look up acrylic and glass prices by thickness and you will have your answer.

>>2341150
From the same place? Where you from?
>>2341147
>REEEEEE

>>2341151
Yeah but petco can still profit off of $1 per gallon sales.

>>2341153
Wholesale prices let you do things like that. They are a nationwide chain and can afford to make large purchase contracts which drives the cost per unit down.

>>2341151
Oh...more water means more weight means glass has to be stronger to hold it.

Or am I way off?
>>2341152
Almost everywhere I look is like that

>>2341157
Yeah pretty much. Glass and acrylic's price doesn't scale linearly with thickness.

>>2341138
>fingers crossed that they do alright in freshwater
>can't spend $50 for a lifetime supply of sea salt mix for mangroves

poor people are so depressing.

>>2341150
20 gallon tanks a la carte are $30-40 whenever I've seen them. Hell, PetSmart has a 20 gallon high kit that's $60 regular price.

>>2341153
They may or may not be making much or any profit. Even if they sell the tanks at a loss, the customer is now "obligated" to buy things like a filter, light, stand, food, gravel, etc.
Also replacement filter media, which is very profitable.

>>2341138
>fingers crossed that they do alright in freshwater.
Why didn't you just buy a freshwater plant instead? Your options are near endless.

>>2341166
>not interested in trying things out for yourself

unimaginative people are so depressing

I have a freshwater tank, and I want to try mangroves in it because I like how they look and there doesn't seem to be a consensus from what I've read on if they work in freshwater. So kindly fuck off, if you want to act like a piece of shit go do it on the right board. Your constant negativity isn't wanted. I'm surprised you haven't noticed that everyone hates you yet.

>>2341173
I wanted to try it out. It's cheaper than ordering some swords or something off amazon so I figured what the heck.

>>2341181
>there doesn't seem to be a consensus from what I've read on if they work in freshwater
ah, so it's an experiment and you're a bold scientist!

kek.
buy some fucking salt mix, you poor motherfucker.

>>2341183
Leave /aq/, your posts are easily recognizable and you literally never contribute anything except trolling.

>>2341183
>it's another butthurt troll spergs out in /aq/ episode

>>2341172
I seriously can't find them that cheap unless I get really lucky in a thrift store.

>>2341207
Try craigslist. Tanks are usually a buck a gallon in my area.

>>2341156
Yet they still sell tanks for the same price as even the mom and pop shops.
>>2341172
They're still making profit. Wholesale price for a 10 gallon for them is $4.

>>2341215
Yeah, they don't need to sell them for less because normies would rather go to the "one-stop shop" than to someone who actually cares about their stock. They compete at like a 5% markdown from the local stores.

>>2341186
>your posts are easily recognizable and you literally never contribute anything except trolling
one or the other, buddy.

if you think all I do is criticize you don't recognize most of my posts.

>>2341246
>still being this buttblasted over the last couple threads

>>2341246
Why endlessly rag on everyone else? Are you really that insecure that you feel the need to downtalk everyone else in the general?

>>2341207
Where do you live?

http://www.petsmart.com/fish/supplies/aquariums-and-stands/aquariums/grreat-choice-20-gallon-glass-aquarium-2831383.html

20 high at Petco is about the same, but they don't list it on their site.

>>2341252
I only posted a pic in the last thread.

>>2341254
>Are you really that insecure that you feel the need to downtalk everyone else in the general?
no, I literally find people so poor they can't buy a bag of salt to be amusing.

yes, I realize you'd have to set up a second tank or tub for your trees which defeats your purpose,
but people that want to keep ocean organisms on the dirt cheap are particularly amusing to me because I used to be one. A tub full of saltwater and mangroves is about as cheap and easy a it gets. Way more likely to survive too.

>>2341260
>want to keep ocean organisms on the dirt cheap
You're entirely missing the point.

>>2341254
If you look around online you may learn that you can also keep clownfish and most other saltwater fish in freshwater.

not for long, but for a few years at least.
maybe you should try that next? Then you'll see /aq/ really rage.

>>2341260
This has nothing to do with money, and it makes you look like an utter piece of shit when you instantly go to calling people poor like some /r/the_donald turbosperg.

>>2341263
>You're entirely missing the point
enlighten me then.
I can think of a whole batch of non-marine trees that will grow immersed and look a lot like mangroves.

>>2341265
>it makes you look like an utter piece of shit
oh no, the resident troll on /aq/ is offended

>>2341266
>being obtuse on purpose

the point isn't the appearance, the point is to see if it can be done. This tank will be taken down within the next nine months as I will be moving across the country. I wanted to try something that I wouldn't feel bad about losing.

>>2341267
>the resident troll begins to deflect

>>2341268
>the point is to see if it can be done.
you already said you searched online and found it can. But it ends badly. Like I said, you can also keep clownfish and most other ocean fish in freshwater. It just ends badly.

to me it smells of saltwater envy.

>>2341268
anyways my goal isn't to make you feel bad. I want you to spend $16.99 on a bag of salt mix and try it out.

once you see how easy and painless that is you can move on to bigger things. For some reason the whole mixing-salt-into-water scares people off. Like it's a huge leap or something. It's not.

>>2341270
>>2341267
I mean if you guys really hate me this much for no reason and I get shit literally every time I post here there's no reason for me to come here. I wonder how many other people have just left because they invaded your safe space?

>>2341274
nobody hates you and I apologize for offending.

I assume people here have some thick skin. I was wrong and I don't mean to chase you off.

I'm sure /aq/ is better with you here than me.

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who even breeds this for what purpose jesus christ.

>>2341255
How...did you find that? I was looking for a few hours yesterday. I live in mendocino county y the way, maybe there's just no good deals around me.
>>2341274
>I wonder how many other people have just left because they invaded your safe space?

Pft, right?

Are rabbit snails ok with a gravel substrate, or should I move them to a sand-bottomed tank?

>>2341274
If you really get shit EVERY time you post here then you probably should fuck off.

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>>2341414
Asians. Pic related gets over 2ft long but the Asians love taking massive fish and breeding them into short bodies which don't live very long. They even have short body Arowana. There's another term they have for another fucked up variety but I don't remember.

>>2341270
Some guys have had success with growing them in full freshwater.

Anywho lion fish are adapting and thriving in brackish water now. Next step is freshwater. Invasive fucks.

>>2341414
>>2341494
I doubt they originally bred fish with this in mind. I think they just figured out how to get money from culls.

>>2341502
They actively breed these fish.

>>2341504
Yeah, after they figured out people will buy them.

>>2340941
>>2340963
I have to work with the hardscape materials I have from my previous tank, so it's gonna stay that way

What I do need though is more plants, esp on the left side and the open bowl plains in the center of the tank. Problem is, the wide open area down there is shallow and about half an inch in substrate depth. Not really sure what plants I can stick there

What are some striking low tech red plants that won't completely hide my Sunset Hygros on the left? Any more suggestions on plants?

>>2341511
>Asian animal abuse denier
Looks like we got ourselves a yellow person. We know you breed designer animals even if the animal is in pain.

>>2341511
You're talking about the same people who knew if they crossbred certain fish they'd end up with fucked up parrot cichlids. They know what they're doing and they were purposely created. Some people wanted the large fish but couldn't afford the big tanks so they bred these short bodied.

>>2341521
>low tech red plants
Crypt undulata red and Alternanthera reineckii cardinalis.

>>2341442
Not him, but if he just posts and get shat on then that's more of an indication of a cancerous community than an issue with him.

>>2341650
I don't think that's accurate. Bugguy got shat on every time he posted. It wasn't because the community is cancerous (/an/ is shit, but not quite cancer) it was because he's an obnoxious cunt and his posts reflected that.

>>2341658
Bugguy was (and still is) usually correct. He gets shat on because /an/ hates to be corrected.

/aq/ is an echo-chamber of ignorance administered by a single troll. You guys are a sad joke. Nobody seriously comes here for advice, this is probably the worst aquarium community on the internet.

>>2341663
Found bugguy.

Can't disagree with the part about this being an awful place to get aquarium advice that isn't extremely trivial though. /aq/ can't be trusted for serious advice most of the time.

>>2341274
>I wonder how many other people have just left because they invaded your safe space?
Actually the opposite has happened.

Aquarium threads on /an/ years back were populated with experts. The morons like yourself were a very small minority and they came seeking advice, not pretending to be the experts.

What has actually happened over the years is everyone that cares about this hobby has been chased off by rank newbs such as yourself and the retard supporting you.

you are the reason we can't have nice things.

>>2341669
>/aq/ can't be trusted for serious advice most of the time.
ya think?

that last thread about plecos in brackish should've been proof of that.

do not take advice from these clowns. Ever.

>>2341650
Not every post on here gets shat on. If all of his posts do, there's something fundamentally wrong with the person posting them.

>>2341663
Bugguy was frequently wrong about things that weren't related to plants or inverts. He got shat on because he was an attention whore and acted incredibly arrogant and obnoxious. He eventually stopped being as bad, but still got shat on because he'd spent so many years building that reputation and people don't magically just forget about that.
This community has more cursing, but the actual advice given isn't much better or worse than the majority of other aquarium communities. Most aquarium communities are just shit. The biggest difference here (besides the cursing) is that people are a lot more forward and honest, which isn't necessarily a good thing.

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>>2341663
>Bugguy was (and still is) usually correct.
my sides

>>2341663
Bugguy rarely came into /aq/ his sources were usually shit on by real sources. Every claim he made was never backed up and when he was proved wrong he went on as if it were just bait. He's the "I was only pretending to be retarded" guy. He also tried to run a succesful blog on tumblr with the name of gardeningqueer. He couldn't even play that angle right. Within a week on my plant tumblr I had over 300 followers.

>>2341672
I'm still here. I rarely give advice anymore though as someone will chime in with something and the poster asking for advice gets confused.

>>2341689
>was frequently wrong about things that weren't related to plants or inverts
frequently wrong does not equal usually wrong.

Not that anyone here is capable of telling when bugguy was wrong.

that's why he was such a successful troll- /an/ isn't educated enough to know when he's right nor are they smart enough to look it up.

you guys are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to brains. And you don't like being shown for idiots. An easy combination to troll.

>>2341695
>his sources were usually shit on by real sources
>appeal to authority.
you're an idiot, but you're my idiot.

>>2341699
Daddy

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>>2341663

>>2341715
oh, sorry.
interrupted your fascinating discussion of plants and shrimp.

why's it always plants and shrimp, guys?

>>2341720
Cheap and easy to breed. Many people here also seem not want to or can't venture into larger tanks. I myself have a 5, 2 20 longs, 60, and not decided on a 180 or 220. Probably the 220.

>>2341722
>Many people here
there aren't that many people here.
thread lists 35 posters, but in reality most of the posts are usually the same 2 anons.

our threads are always about plants and shrimp because that's all those 2 anons know about.

Let's give credit where it's due though

this anon isn't an idiot:
>>2340822
>>2340824

It's funny to see people complain about a thread on a subboard of 4chan not meeting their expectations of an aquarium keeping community.

>>2341697
Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude.

>>2341699
>appeal to authority
Sounds an awful lot like you don't actually know what that means.

Any reeffags in the house?

>>2341745
>Sounds an awful lot like you don't actually know what that means
if you can't explain why the authority is wrong, only that it's of lesser perceived quality than another supposed authority, that's an appeal to authority.

bugguy cherry-picked authorities that agreed with him while his opponents picked authorities that disagreed, then they argued about the quality of the respective authorities rather than the quality of their arguments.

this is classic appeal to authority, /an/ just isn't smart enough to recognize it. In reality bugguy usually took the view accepted by most scientists, which is also an appeal to authority, but not coincidentally he was usually right. Or at least backing the view that most scientists accept.

>>2341723
I'm one of the shrimp posters. I use the 5 for shrimp culls, one of the 20s for cherry shrimp breeding (fire reds), and the other 20 for dwarf crayfish breeding.

We arguing about Bugguy in here? C'mon, at least keep that shit to the plant threads.

Anyway, I have a small rainbow shark that's aggressive only toward my kuhli loaches. So they've gone into hiding. Would adding more driftwood (I have two pieces, one large) to break the line of sight encourage them to come out more, or should I just accept that I'll never see them again now that they know there's a threat?

>>2341753
that's cool, there's literally nothing wrong with shrimp or plants.

I'm just pointing out that close to 90% of the aquarium posts in this or any /aq/ thread are shrimps and plants.

so if anyone is chasing people off of /aq/ it would appear to be shrimp and plant keepers.

>>2341750
His sources clashed with actual sources. He also made a lot up. He is literally the poster child for "I was only pretending to be retarded". He brainwashed his followers.

>>2341758
>His sources clashed with actual sources.
yes, I understand.

his sources weren't "actual" sources to you because they disagreed with you.

and science is about disagreement, so for any position you can find sources that agree AND ones that disagree with the position. Both sides are equally qualified as scientists, so you have to examine their arguments rather than their authority.
>his followers
he literally has none.

Great, the shitstorm's back.
Y'all know if bare 2.5 gallons are included in petco's dollar per gallon sale? They have one on the second and I'm looking to snatch some stuff up.

>>2341762
Copied and pasted from Petco's Facebook page:
"The $1 Per Gallon Tank Sale is on! It includes the 10G, 20G High and Long, 29G, 40G breeder and 55G tanks. It’s from 6/27-7/16 and only while supplies last; stop in before they're gone."

It's an old post, but it doesn't look like the smallest tanks are included.

>>2341762
>>2341765
They've added 75 gallon tanks to the sale, but I don't think anything smaller than 10G is included.

Have any of you just gone outside, collected some rocks, and used them in your aquarium? I would think if you boiled them or something it'd kill all the bacteria and other bad stuff. How can you tell if they'll react with the water parameters?

>OP pic
How do I get into killis and is it worth it? There are some super pretty ones but I've never seen anything but the basic ones for sale, what's up with that?

>>2341759
They didn't disagree with me. They also disagreed with years of research.

>>2341769
I have.
boiling isn't a concern, all the bacteria and such outside in the dirt are already living in your tank.

Boiling rocks is actually pretty dangerous, it's a good way to make rocks shatter. Sometimes explosively.

Checking for reactivity means knowing a bit about rocks. You can just drop some acid on it and see if it bubbles, but depending on your tank you might want bubbly rocks or you might not.

you don't want any metal ores, but aside from obvious stuff like pyrite or malachite most people aren't going to recognize metal ores without an assay. Hopefully any metals in your rocks will form a layer of surface oxide and then stop leaching into the tank. But if there's enough copper or sulfur in your rocks you could have problems.

in general wild rocks are pretty safe though.

>>2341769
https://youtu.be/jmOoiLzV0Z8 This should help you out.

>>2341765
>>2341766
Ah, bummer. Well, I'll ask about it next time i'm there but i'm guessing selling tanks for 2 dollars may not be very profitable.

>>2341769
I do every now and then. If they bubble if you put vinegar on them after cleaning them well they will alter params. Muriatic acid is better and I believe it can be found at Home Depot.

>>2341771
>They also disagreed with years of research.
he took some wrong positions sometimes.
just not usually. Far less often than you and others here think.

>>2341772
>Boiling rocks is actually pretty dangerous, it's a good way to make rocks shatter. Sometimes explosively.
This myth is still around?

>>2341776
>This myth is still around?
I'm just speaking from experience. Not sure how common it is, but I've boiled a fair number of rocks over the years.

anything water-permeable is likely to break. Sometimes loudly.

>>2341777
So am I. The most you get is loud cracking and very, very occasionally a fracturing if you throw in composite rocks. Explosions are a myth, they don't even happen when lining your campfire with wet rocks, which I've often done.

>>2341778
>Explosions are a myth
yeah, they don't go off like grenades or whatever. They can just shatter and toss fragments a couple feet.

shouldn't matter anyways since bleach is much better for sterilizing stuff, and unless you're taking rocks from a river or lake there's no point in sterilizing them.

>>2341775
I always make sure I have sources that are backed up ^_^ so saying that I can I say I have never been wrong. If I have I admit it.

>>2341792
>I always make sure I have sources that are backed up ^_^ so saying that I can I say I have never been wrong.
again, for every source that says one thing you can find an equally reputable source that says the opposite.

your reliance on the authority of your sources is silly. As is your denigration of your opponents' sources.

you are always wrong, but not for reasons you're smart enough to understand. The instant you assume you're right you've failed. Hell, the instant you think you're WINNING A DEBATE or even engaging in one you've failed.

>>2341769
I have.

bleach/water mix, low solution bleach of course, test if the rock is going to dissolve with vinegar, muriatic acid or peroxide, wash it really good, let it sunbathe, wash it again, sunbathe, submerge into water then sunbathe.

the whole sunbathing thing is not really necessary, i like being extra careful.

>>2341795
Oh no. Mine are actually backed up :)

>>2341795
With all due respect, if /aq/ is as stupid as you're claiming it is, what is the point of telling specific people how foolish they are if they likely won't understand your reasoning? It seems like it would be a waste of your time, senpai.

>>2341799
>Oh no. Mine are actually backed up :)
bugguy usually quoted articles in journals of science. It doesn't get any more backed up then that.
>>2341800
I'm interested in the psychology of cognitive errors.

dumb people fascinate me. I wonder if they're really dumb or if they're stoned. Or maybe if they're actually not dumb people at all but very smart bots. I find it interesting how those too stupid to be accepted on other forums find their way to anonymous places where nobody can chase them away for being wrong. How anonymity encourages the gathering of the stupidest people rather than otherwise. And how the influence of lots of stupid people drives away those that aren't stupid. Their sheer blindness to their own ignorance even in the face of superior knowledge.

bugguy and ila and others weren't hated just because they're assholes. /an/ is chock full of assholes. They were hated because they were assholes and they were often right. Notice that they're long gone and the idiots they made fools of are still here. And still won't admit they were made fools of. That's an interesting dynamic.

>>2341807
Fair enough. That's an interesting outlook.

>>2341800
but mostly I just miss the days when /aq/ wasn't shit. Before it was /aq/ even.

if you can find an archive that goes back that far you'll see what I mean.

>>2341807
>iflscience is a legit source
Kek

>>2341770
Buy eggs off of eBay if you want the crazy looking annual killies.
Most of the super pretty ones are annual killifish that only have a natural lifespan of 6-12 months. Getting them old enough to sell cuts on that quite a bit. For annual killies, you also have to dry out the eggs for several months before you can hatch them, so that's probably why they aren't common in pet stores.

You can, of course, avoid all of that by getting semi-annual or perennial killifish instead. Fundulopanchax species are good starters. Very attractive, easy to care for, straightforward to breed, live for 3-ish years. I have three F. gardneri and they're pretty cool.

>is it worth it?
You really have to try it and figure out for yourself. You can just keep a couple as pets like a betta or you could end up with thirty tanks on racks breeding a dozen different species. A lot of killifish are from threatened habitats and their existence in the future will likely rely heavily on captive breeding, so I'd say it's worth at least trying it out.

>>2341812
How far are we talking? I've been around for a few years, and have noticed a bit of a decline, but from the level of disappointment you seem to have I imagine the decline has been going on for probably as many years as I've been here, if not longer.

>>2341807
Ila was far from right. Bugguy was right 35% of the time. He was nothing more than bait. Ila and bugguy were the same people though. They happened to disappear the same exact same as well.

You have single handely ruined this tread and it's far from bump limit. Just admit bugguy was only good with flowers and some inverts.

>>2341814
notice how you attack the credibility of the source rather than the arguments it contains.

you seem incapable of doing anything else.

This is an aquarium general. Not a bugguy/ila general. Just fuck off and start a thread about them or go to /sci/ and talk about psychology there. Let us have our shrimp and plant thread in peace.

>>2341817
before /aq/
>>2341818
I agree ila and bugguy were probably the same person.

ila was right most of the time. Your stupid and tiresome ass chased him/her off for that. You are the cancer.

>>2341819
Iflscience was mostly his source. The same source who always goes political for more views and many lies.

>>2341821
Ila was barely right. Ila/bugguy as here for nothing more than to create anger.

I remember ila going on about how you can bury your Anubias rhizome and it grew so big he sold it for a lot of money.

>>2341822
>doesn't know they only review published science

>>2341824
I don't know anything about plants, I only judged her posts about fish and water chemistry.

she was generally right on both counts. The troll that runs /aq/ argued with her every time anyways.

>>2341827
Or the many lies they create to get people to click on articles.

Either way we won. You're just bugguy.

>>2341807
>bugguy and ila and others weren't hated just because they're assholes.
They were hated because they were assholes and they were easy to pick out, on account of having trips.
Plenty of other people are right on this board and aren't met with the same vitriol those were.
They left (or "left") because people instantly knew who they were and what their reputation was. Again, on account of the trips.

You think you're a lot smarter than you are. You aren't that clever, or that deep.

>>2341820
One anon is really, really obsessed with bugguy. He accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being this nebulous scapegoat tripfag. It's honestly a fascinating pathological psychology study.

>>2341831
Or the numerous times he was wrong than he was right. OwO

>>2341829
>Either way we won.
multiple personalities? who's we?

yes, of course you won. You're so smart.

notice how you think there's anything to win or lose. That means you're a Very Smart Person.
not at all the sort of person that turns everything into a debate and prances around claiming victory until everyone smarter than you gives up and leaves.

no way you're that sort of troll.

>>2341815
>Buy eggs off of eBay if you want the crazy looking annual killies.
I think I do, actually. Did some reading. Seems like a very basic 10G with a box of peat in it and a few plants or a spawning mop is enough to make them happy and get lots of eggs. Don't even really need light. Waiting for the next generation is something I have no problem with, I think. And there are some really stunning species, such a shame they're not more common.

>or you could end up with thirty tanks on racks breeding a dozen different species.

This is what I fear is gonna happen. I kinda want one nice planted permanent species (can you even put them with anything else reliably?) though.

>>2341830
>people instantly knew who they were and what their reputation was
yes, notice again how anonymity and accuracy go together.

both were correct more often than not, and neither was afraid to claim it. There are some anons here that are often correct, but for the most part the quality isn't that high.

>>2341832
You make yourself pretty obvious with the emoticon abuse, ~just sayin~ ;3c

>>2341833
Please take your psychological assessments to another board. You're probably arguing with one other person on this slow board. So if you're interested in talking about they take it somewhere else please. If you can contribute to this aquarium thread then please do so and stay.

>>2341838
>hurr it's anonymous that means every1 is saem cuz it slow board rite???? nobody else could be posting in my secret klubhouse

There are at least four active users ITT. Please stop deluding yourself that it's 2012 still. It's not.

>>2341837
That's the point ding dong.

>>2341840
>I'm a tripfag too special snowflake for a trip

LOL

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Why is /aq/ consistently the shittiest thread on /an/, not including bait threads?

>>2341839
Do you know this for fact? If so you just outted yourself as a janitor. I have screen shotted this and everyone's IP who clicked on my link and will submit it to 4chan.

>>2341838
It's probably more like 2-3 people he's arguing with, while others and myself chime in from time to time, but mostly I'm just waiting for someone to give insight on my kuhli loach issue.

>>2341843
Public IPs are only accessible to janitors.

You just outed yourself janitor scum. Say hello to Hiro for me when he fires your dumbass.

>>2341838
>You're probably arguing with one other person on this slow board
my aim is only one person.
>>2341842
1. stupid person gives bad advice
2. stupid person disagrees with anyone that counters bad advice
3. stupid person argues until those that give good advice leave
4. I get pissed off about that
5. I start shitstorm by pointing out how stupid this person is
6. neither of us leaves
7. cycle continues for years

plecos in brackish water, guys?

>>2341846
Only a janitor would know this information. Reported.

Total noob here

Do I *need* ferts or suppliments if I only have one plant? I just planted an anubias congensis yesterday and I'm seeing the slightest tint of yellow on the tips. I've never kept plants before. I've read that iron and potassium suppliments can help

>>2341849
so you're saying you're an obnoxious cunt who ruins threads because he can't stop replying to morons

smells like the typical 4chan autistic child "WAAAHH HE'S WRONG ON THE INTERNET I HAVE TO VINDICATE MY KNOWLEDGE BY PROVING HIM SO"

>>2341834
10 gallons is great for starting with some killies.

>can you even put them with anything else reliably?
They're usually suggested in species only tanks. The biggest problem is trying to get straight answers on specific species. Most people will simply say "killifish are a cool guy and doesn't hurt anythign," which is obviously wrong a lot of the time (F. gardneri being one of those times).
Epiplatys annulatus is the only one I frequently see in community aquariums.

>>2341850
Announcing reports violates global rule 7.

>>2341849
but we have stupid people in every thread

are fishfags just more autistic or more easily baited?

>>2341855
>are fishfags just more autistic or more easily baited?
these are the same thing.

>>2341851
Depends on the plants. Some plants will do fine without them.
Anubias will do fine without ferts. It grows so slowly you probably wouldn't notice even if you did use them.

>>2341855
Yes.

>>2341851
What else do you have in the tank? I don't dose ferts for my anubias/java moss/java fern anymore, and they were all lush green up until I started slacking with turning the lights on early in the day.

If you just planted it, maybe it's transplant shock? I'm not an expert. But maybe wait a few days and see if it worsens.

If you do dose fertilizers, I personally like root tabs. I stopped about two years ago, but I did like the results I had for a while.

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>>2341854
Weird as only JANITOR WOULD KNOW THIS

My moss and subwassertang came in. I don't have much room in my five gallon because I have a ton of naja grass. I want to get rid of it but my shrimppers stay in it all day long and would feel bad. But I would like them to come down and explore the tank more with the Christmas moss and subwassertang.

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>>2341868

>>2341872
>subwassertang
This word triggers me so much. The actual word in german is Süßwassertang, which just means freshwater seaweed.

I can forgive replacing the ü with just u, but ß is not a fucking b, it's a shorthand for a double s or sz. Just write susswassertang or better yet just freshwater seaweed, you fucking cucks.

>>2341873
>screenshots a janitor only page
We're on to you.

>>2341878
I love my subwassertang

>>2341878
What're you gonna do about it big boy? Huh? You gonna try and chase me off like the others? Huh big boy? I'm going to stand my ground and I will fight you until you run off with your buttplug tail between your legs! Big boy!

>>2341882
When you come in this fucking thread, you sure as motherfucking shit had better respect me. Actually fuck respect, you had better worship the motherfucking ground I walk on, motherfucker. You god damn think I'm just going to sit here and let you stomp all over me with your ignorance and disrespect? FUCK YOU dude, I am not going to be passive about this shit. You had better pray to fucking christ I don't find out where you live, or you might find out what a 12 gauge to the face feels like, you fucking bitch.
stay out of my threads, understand? i don't want to take this to moot, but if you pull these shananigans again he will be contacted. mark my word.

>>2341859
I don't have any other plants, soon I want to buy some floating plants though. That's a good point about the transplant shock. I'll wait a while

>>2341858
True, I have read that they are pretty slow growers

>>2341878
>which just means freshwater seaweed.
Uh I think you mean sweet water weed you fucking faggot. If you're going to bitch about it like a shitstained cunt at least get that much right.

>>2341945
India leave REEEEEEEE!

>>2341756
Rainbows are territorial pricks. They will be especially territorial against other bottom dwelling fish. How many gallons is your tank? How many Kuhli Loaches do you have?

>>2340950
This may be a little late. But what kind of fish is that.

>>2341975
Senegal bichir.

>>2341885
>kek

>Get banned for 6 days for posting off topic thread

>Was just trying to make a joke thread, and I put that in my appeal and recognized that it was in poor taste

>Come in here and the whole fucking thread is off topic


Gee fucking thanks mod. Are you deciding to ban everyone in here as well for being off topic and not relating to animals? Cause that wouldn't be too fucking fair, or a proper use of your new job if you didn't.

>>2341945
>what is a semantic translation

Yes, the literal translation is sweet water but no one is going to know what that is supposed to be. Are you actually retarded?
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-german/freshwater

>>2342021
Fish are animals.

Is this linguine?

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my assumed male electric yellow is attacking my female again. They have already spawned twice this year and i don't understand the constant harassment that he is providing even the pair of mbunas are less shitty than he is. I have separated the female for around 2 weeks and now that ive reintroduced her. He's straight back to chasing.
how do i fucking stop this ive rearranged and stressed the fuck out of the talking cats & the male labidochromis now always schools with the hongis which is weird

>>2342065
>no one is going to know what that is supposed to be.
Of course not, because RETARDS like you keep CHANGING THE FUCKING WORDS.

>>2342195
It's SUBWASSERTANG

>>2342021
Even if you're too retarded to realize fish are animals, are you not aware that this is the "animals and nature" board? Are you telling me you've never seen a fish in nature?

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Am i the only non toxic a on in aq

>>2342248
I'm talking about the stupid bugguy argument going on that has nothing to do with animals.

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Just got some more Glowlight Danios to add to my school, and the difference between the ones I've been raising for 3 weeks on frozen food and high quality pellets is astounding. Can't wait for the newer danios to be just as big and brightly colored like this

If you guys find them in your LFS, I highly recommend them. They're also great dither fish in a large school, making even my new and extremely timid Honey Gouramis bravely shoal and explore around the quarantine tank

>>2342312
>humans are not an animal

>>2342332
>humans
He was talking about bugguy

>>2342353
epik cuz muh boogeyman trip is le subhuman XDDDD

upvoted muchly anon, *tips pork pie hat*

>>2342363
Glad to see you understand now.

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There was some bug in my betta tank
Problem is the tank has a real secure lid so I'm worried it might of hatched in the tank. Either from the gravel or plants. Both from pet shops and both washed before going in but still..

Couldn't get a good picture one because my tank is quite dirty (watermarks) and two because my cameras shit but it had no problem living underwater.

Luckily my betta didn't eat it

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Anyone have experience with Styrogene repens or similar plants? I can't seem to get mine to carpet at all. Started off with a single "cup" of it, and I've been trimming/propagating it just by stuffing it back into gravel. The issue is, it just grows straight up into a single stalk.. and NONE of them seem to spread via runners as they are rumored to do.

Should I trim the tall single stalks and if so will they bush?

30 gal, pea gravel + organic potting mix. Tank is ~5 months old.
Pics related, 1 of 3.

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>>2342386
2 of 3 showing an actual 'bush' of it vs the newer cuttings

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>>2342386
>>2342387
3 of 3 showing the tank itself for size reference. Sorry for phone camera quality pics.

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>>2342385
Hopefully that isn't what I think it is.

>>2342386
Mine wouldn't do shit until I used root tabs and co2

>>2342392
it did kind of look like a baby dragonfly
Can those things live under water?

I feel like my boy could take one

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>>2342399
>Can those things live under water?
>Can
Boy are you gonna have some fun.

I hope it's something like Aeshna or Gomphus, or even Anax.

>>2342399
A betta wouldn't stand a chance. Find it and kill it.

>>2342412
What even against a baby one? Wew
There is definitely no adults in the tank or in the room in fact. Most likely it's some bug that managed to get into the tank

>>2342397
Did you have repens also? I'm wondering if I should just let them sit longer or what. I don't even know if they will bud extra branches when trimmed. I guess I may just experiment with them.. /shrug

>>2342414
They grow pretty quick. And it's definitely a dragonfly nymph, not a damselfly one and they will grow big.

>There is definitely no adults in the tank or in the room in fact. Most likely it's some bug that managed to get into the tank
Do you not know how dragonflies work? Serious question.

The adults lay their eggs into the stems of water plants, that's where that one came from.

>>2342415
Yeah I use to. I used sand, co2, root tabs, and medium lighting. Mine sat for months without doing anything besides growing a little taller till I added liquid co2 and ferts. That was just my experience.

>>2342385
Ignore this idiot >>2342424
Thats not a dragon fly of any kind

>>2342432
this

it's a terrible pic but it looks like a cricket that fell in.

>>2342432
Then what is it, oh knowledgeable one? And how did it get in his tank?

>>2342427
I do a lot of gardening and there are plenty of plants which require growing tall to a certain extent to produce more leaves. Once they're comfortable with the light levels they get, they start to spread.

Makes me wonder if these just need to be left alone.

I'm going to do an experiment where I will cut two different 'tall skinny' ones right above the node and see if they split or make new leaves.

I'll cut the cuttings from those two and put them in the much shallower 5gal (which is much stronger light for them)

Will report back in a month or so.

>>2342437
Post a picture with something other than a can of fish flakes and we might be able to figure it out. Definitely doesn't look like a dragonfly nymph, though.

Does anyone on this board keep Discus?

>>2342448
I used to about 20 years ago.

>>2342446
>Post a picture with something other than a can of fish flakes and we might be able to figure it out.
I'm not the guy that asked and that should be obvious from the post. Work on your reading comprehension.

>Definitely doesn't look like a dragonfly nymph, though.
It does though. The head shape fits, only the abdomen is a bit short but it could be bent upwards. We need a better picture or a description.

Anon, what do the eyes look like? What does its ass look like? Does it seem to have something weird under its head?

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>>2342453
Okay, rephrase, Mr. Pedant: If he posts a picture with something other than a can of fish flakes then we might be able to figure it out.

There is no detail to the head in that picture. It just looks like "an bug head." It could be anything.
The body shape is wrong.

>>2342437
I don't know what it is precisely but I know it's not a dragon fly

>How did it get in?
Probably through the lid. You know with the air gaps, most lids also have a gap for cables and food.

>>2342451
Are you 40+ years old?

>>2342458
I'm sorry but I have to adopt this tone, we're still on 4chan after all, faggot.

>The body shape is wrong.
Perspective does wonderful things.

In the end it doesn't matter what it is exactly, he should remove it anyway. I can think of many more quite nasty insects/insect larva that could kill a betta. Though to be honest I find most of those more interesting than some generic betta, I suspect the anon with the bug disagrees though.

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Just got a 20gal high aquarium setup. Upgraded from a 10g. Only fish right now is an albino bristlenose pleco.

Have an aquaclear 50 filter and have been letting it establish for 3 days now. No plants.

I want a German blue ram in it for sure. But gf wants some schooling fish. Already decided on 5 cardinal tetras. What else would be good to go in the tank? I'm thinking 5 rasboras or platys of some kind.

It's been years since I've had an aquarium. Advice and criticism welcome.
>pic related, German blue ram

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Sinbads being a fat fuck and trying to beg for more food.

>>2342526
You definitely need to let the tank cycle completely before you add a ram or cardinal tetras. Ideally you would have cycled it before adding the pleco, but c'est la vie.

A 20 high isn't exactly huge. The bristlenose could potentially get big enough to feel slightly cramped in it, and imo it would be better to have one larger school (12-15 fish) in the tank versus trying to fit two schools in the same level.
You could do a decently sized school (8-ish) of either cardinals or rasboras (recommendation for galaxy or espei) for the mid level and a separate school of small cories (habrosus, dwarf, or pygmy) for the bottom level.

>>2342555
Only reason pleco is in there is because he was the only survivor from my gfs 10g. She had damned fancy guppies...which overbread and pretty much killed the entire population due to lack of tank maintenance.

So I bought her the larger filter and larger tank, did a 75% water change a few days back, still dirty as hell at that point, but new filter has cleaned it up well. Cleaning the filter sponge every day, had zeolite in it to remove excess ammonia and chloramine from fresh water. Transferred the semi established 10gals into the 20 today with pleco.

I'd really like a single blue ram. I figured a small mid tank school and small high tank school (both of small fish) should hopefully do well.

I realize the tank should establish BB better for the next few days first. I'll be removing the zeolite tomorrow and adding another layer of biomax ceramic cylinders to the filter for better bacterial establishment.

She wants multiple schools, but doesn't realize that even without the blue ram, it just isn't enough room to support multiple small schools.

Maybe I can talk her into a single species school of 8-10.

>>2342555
Not the guy you responded to, but I think it's more dependant on how much work you are willing to put in. As long as you are keeping up on water changes the first couple of weeks and testing the levels, I think it's fine to cycle fish in. And there's plenty of products now to treat the water and kick stet the cycling process.

>>2342568
I'm the guy with the 20g high and pleco new tank setup. I remember from years ago when I had a few small tanks, that the smaller they are, the harder they are to keep up. Beginners think a 5 or 10 is easier to deal with than a 20, 30 or larger. So not true.

I bought the aquaclear 50 for gfs 10 (see>>2342567) because she doesn't maintain her tank, I do. And my schedule doesn't exactly allow that to happen easily with 2 babies, work, family etc. So even on the new 20gal, filter capacity should be more than efficient. I bought her the 20 because she has unreal expectations about how many small fish she can stick in a 10gal. Let's face it, a 4in pleco and 15 tetras/barbs/platys isn't gonna happen.

If we had the room, and I had it my way, I'd have a 50 with a canister filter running on under gravel plates, with an aquaclear 70 on the back just for good measure.

I would've gotten her a 29g high, but I just bought her a good glass hood and new light setup 3 days ago. After buying that, I didn't want to have to buy a new hood/light for a 29g high.

Side note...after having a red eared slider in a custom 30g long, which had about a 12gal aqua side....I know all too well how good canister filters work. Ran a canister and plate system on the aqua side (canister rated for 90-120gal) and STILL had to clean it twice a week (for 12 gallons of water). Turtles are nasty....I'll never again own one.

Do you guys suppose koi would eat moneywort? I don't really want to buy it only for these greedy fuckers to eat it

Got some Anubia on the way

>>2342578
>twice a week
Meant every two weeks....still a lot though

>>2339552
In teaspoon measurements, (1/8 tsp, 1/4 tsp, 1/2 tsp etc.) Roughly how many tsp does a single betta eat in a day? Taking care of my sisters, she feeds him every Morning and night

>>2342568
Some hardier fish can survive a tank cycle with relatively low risk if you keep up with maintenance, but cardinals and German rams are way too sensitive for that, which is why I brought it up.

>>2342583
Their stomach is about as big as their eye, so you can use that as a gauge. One eye's worth in the morning, one in the evening.

>>2342586
so about a tiny pinch?

>>2342586
I suspect a German ram will be ok in the 20, once bb is well established, with a 20% water change a week. I could be wrong, as I stated it's been years since I actually really had a tank to maintain...aside from the red eared slider.
I had cichlids in the past and they always seemed extremely hardy

>>2342567

did you transfer active filter media or substrate from old tank to ac50? or are you cycling from scratch?

either way you're definitely going to want to ditch the zeolite while the tank cycles... and you should really allow the tank to FULLY cycle before adding a ram. dosing with seachem prime every other day (along with checking water parameters daily, and doing water changes when needed) should at least make your fish-in cycle more tolerable for the pleco

>>2342602
I didn't transfer media... but I allowed the new filter to cycle for a day before changing old water.

I have every intention on ditching the zeolite...it's not beneficial to good bacteria. I only added it to help remove excessive ammonia (in established tank water) and chloramine (from my tap water). I'll be adding more bio material in place of zeolite tomorrow. Already had a layer of bio material when I started this 4 days ago. I have not rinsed/cleansed it at all. I understand this part of the process.

The pleco was living alone in deplorable water conditions for at least the last two months. Had a tetra/whisper back of tank (think a 20) before all this. But I learned that once tetra acquired whisper, quality went to shit. 20 years ago, whisper filters were great. This POS was shutting off and starting up randomly.

Fluval may own Aquaclear now, but it's a simple setup and reliable. Who needs charcoal in a filter with no
Biomedia?

As I said, this is actually my gfs tank. She has no clue how to maintain and is too lazy to learn. Hence the overkill filter.

I'm just curious if I can stick 2 small 5 fish groups in the new tank.

I realize I should probably let it cycle for another week, and I'm going to try...but gf is impatient

>>2342610
>I allowed the new filter to cycle for a day
>I realize I should probably let it cycle for another week
you have no idea what cycling is.
just stop.

>>2342610

research cycling more... not trying to be a dick, but you don't understand cycling. it's going to take several weeks. you'll want to save the zeolite (if it's still active) as an emergency fix for any big water parameter swings, which are almost inevitable during the cycling process. if you don't already have have one, get a liquid freshwater test kit asap. use it daily to guide your water changes while cycling. i mentioned dosing seachem prime every other day because it does a good job of converting ammonia, etc. to much less toxic forms for 24-48 hrs.

>>2342587
Is it pellets or flakes? If it's pellets you could just give him a couple individual pellets.

>>2342599
Yeah, 20 is fine for the ram as long as the tank is cycled and there's no ammonia or nitrite.
You need to test the water before adding more delicate animals.

I had a bunch of Rotala Indica planted in my tank, and last week I was away from home for awhile. I didnt turn the tank lights on so the plants died out.

Theres still some left over but a huge chunk has died off, should I replant the surviving steams or are they fucked too?

HOLY SHIT. My black kuhli loaches had babies and I didnt notice!

What am I supposed to do now? I tried counting and I estimate that theres maybe around 6-10 of them. This is awesome.

>>2342675
As long as the stems and leaves are still pretty stiff, you can replant the tops and see if it roots.

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Alrighty, added a Big Bear Sword in the middle and some Petsmart Altermanthea on the left. Hopefully this all looks good when they grow out

>>2342712
Congrats, your tank must be hospitable enough for them to breed. Kind of want Kuhlis again too

>>2342748
Good luck on the alterna. Took mine months to grow out.

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>order pic related
>spend 1 hour rinsing it
>put in tank, it's still cloudy as shit after a few days
>remove it, rinse it some more until it seems like im rising more sand down the drain than dust, feel like ive lost maybe 1/5th of the bag at this point
>put back in tank
>still cloudy as shit after a few days in a still tank

I feel like i got jewed and ordered a bag of dust with a few grains of sand

Next time I do a water change on my bettas tank, I'm going to fill the bathtub up for him and give him some tubes and caves to hide in.

>>2342802
Why not just go to the beach and get real black sand? I mean, it's not pitch black (that shits probably dyed), but it can stilk be pretty fucking dark.

>>2342587
>>2342636
Different anon here, but if it's pellets, you might want to soak them for a minute in his tank water before feeding. That way they don't expand in his stomach.

>>2342808
I dont live anywhere near a beach sadly

>>2342817
Would it be illegal if I shipped you a bag of sand?

>>2342748
Thing is, the tank hasnt been doing too well recently. having issues with ammonia and I might need a new filter. But the young fry surviving is probably a good sign.

>>2342818
No, but that's okay, I'll make due. I'll probably buy some new substrate or give this current batch another rinse until only the largest grains remain. Thanks for the offer though f.a.m.

>>2342821
Once Kuhlis have settled into a tank, they are suprisingly resilient. I've had a large group that sat in 4 inches of unheated dirty tank water for a day, and were perfectly fine

Had to give them away though since I was moving and some of the other fish in them were suffering from columnaris. I'm pretty sure they were unaffected and probably would've survived the outbreak

>>2342826
Started with 15 kuhli loaches (for $25! LFS was trying to get rid of all of them since he wanted to make room for saltwater stuff) in a 150g heavily planted since near the beginning of the tank's inception and never saw them so I just assumed they were eaten by something. Completely forgot about these kuhli loaches till I tore the tank down almost 3 years later and found most of them still wriggling around in the soil 2 days after the water had been (mostly) drained.

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>>2342879
Well, a 150 gallon tank has a huge footprint. I had 10-11 in a 40 breeder, and I could always see a few hanging around in my crypts and hygros

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I really miss my Kuhlis. I'll get some when I'm done quarantining my danios and gouramis

>>2342802
This is why you generally want to put in substrate first and design your hard scape before adding any water. Just a tip for next time.

>>2342879
Nice, I'd like to get some khulis, but heard they only show themselves at night

New thread

>>2343041

>>2341759
>his sources weren't "actual" sources to you because they disagreed with you.
Not really. His sources were "lol google it :^)". And when I posted some actual college books that show how wrong he was even about the basics he went full assburgers with semantics.