Are prong collars really all that bad?

>>2336679
It's a *training* tool (particularly bad, too), it's not meant to be used for every walk.

Have a K9 officer helping to train my dog, he highly recommends them.

>>2336679
The problem with prongs are people don't know how to use them so I never recommend them. I watched people misuse them right after I fucking showed them what not to do. You never tug on the prong collar, the point is the dog creates his own pain. You have to get a proper fitting collar, which no one does. Then you have to put it on properly. It's not just sliding it over the dog's head. It needs to fit snug but without pressure, and you need to fit it so the prongs aren't applying pressure to the trachea. If you can't do that you have the wrong size prong collar. There is no fucking reason to sharpen the prongs, they are supposed to be dull (some even rubber tipped) so if you sharpen the tips you're just an asshole. Then there are the dickheads who keep it on their dogs 24/7. Those people, along with idiots who keep chokers on, need to die painfully. A prong collar is a training tool, not a crutch for people who got a dog that's too big to handle.

Prong collars are so often misused that I do cringe when I see them. However when used properly, they are so much better that choke chains. I don't understand why people think a collar that literally chokes and can kill a dog is less risky than one that pinches. Prong collars are actually advised for pulling dogs with trachea issues as the prong collar is supposed to not apply any pressure to that part of the throat, and is actually safer in that regard than a normal collar.


If you raised your of from a puppy there is no reason to use a prong collar unless you fucked up raising your dog. Puppies don't need prong collars.

>>2336691
Prong collars are very easy to use. If somebody is too stupid to learn how to properly use one, then they were probably too stupid to be a responsible dog owner in the first place.

Still if an owner did get a prong collar at least they are making some effort to train their dog instead of just neglecting it or throwing it away. I think it is one of the safer tools out there, better than those horrible head halters and choke chains.

If you so knowledgeable about the proper use of prong collars, how about you show these morons how to use them right instead of shitting on them for what they are doing wrong like an asshole. Nobody likes being lectured by a self-righteous prick so no wonder nobody listens to you.

One of my rescues is a real problem child. He is severally reactive. I've had two different trainers for him, both positive (one was a DVM specializing in behavior). Both were positive trainers.

Both made remarks to the extent "I don't like prong collars, but for some dogs, they can be very helpful". They said that when used correctly, they can give the dog really useful and valuable information.

>>2336681
Dogs to police are living meatsheilds they use to save their own asses and train dogs into violence, you would trust those kind of people?

>>2336679
They don't work and generally only douches seem to use them. I've never walked a dog that had a prong collar on who didn't pull -- it doesn't deter them at all.

>>2336679
theyre illegal in australia.

>>2336714
Clearly you've never met a K9 officer. They care more about their dogs than most people.

>>2336709
if an owner did get a prong collar at least they are making some effort to train their dog

The problem is, that isn't really the case. I've worked with dogs for years and majority of the owners I've met that use prong collars, use it as an alternative to a regular collar.

It's sad how many times I've heard "oh he pulls too much so this is the only way I can walk him!" They have no interest in teaching their dog how to walk correctly.

They're illegal here, but I did try one on my dog. Once. It was properly fitted and correctly used and he shut down completely. It was like I didn't even have a dog anymore, just a thing trailing miserably behind me, too afraid to do any of the things he enjoys on walks. No sniffing, no investigating anything, no peeing on bushes where he's allowed to go, just walking right on my heels.

I felt terrible and decided that they weren't for him, which was just fine because I didn't feel like breaking the law anyway.

>>2336714
or you can kys
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>>2336763
this x10

>>2336709
>if an owner did get a prong collar at least they are making some effort to train their dog
About as much effort as shoving its face in its shit, hitting it with newspaper and yelling its name at it.

>>2336714
They hate them so much they give them extensive funerals.

>>2336709
>how about you show these morons how to use them right
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>>2336691
>I watched people misuse them right after I fucking showed them what not to do
>right after I fucking showed them what not to do
>I watched people misuse them

You're projecting, pal.

I have a long haired husky who is like 80-90ish lbs. He used to just pull at max length and even jolt forward. didn't give a fuck

shit doesn't work on him very well. training treats and commands do tho glad he finally picked up on that

>>2337160
Every dog is different. My dog doesn't give a fuck about treats outside. Pulling to the next great sniff spot is way more valuable than snacks.

However, my other dog will literally do anything for food. If she knows you have the treats, she just wants snacks and will do anything to get them.

Every dog is motivated by different things. You start off positive with treats, and begin to make the training more adverse as shit doesn't work for your dog. Treats aren't as rewarding as pulling? Okay let's try a front clip harness. Still nothing? Okay how about a head halter? Nope? Now try to prong. I think starting with a prong is going from 0 to 60 in less than a second, so to speak.

>>2336680
What if thats the only way they don't drag you along when they get excited. I had a dog that weight around 175lb if she had the the pinch on she wouldn't pull. She didnt mind it on like around the house. I wouldn't keep it on her. Yet if i had a choke chain on her she wouldnt give two fucks about it.

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>>2337160
I tried so many things including the prong collar and the thing that worked best for me was giving her very slight leg checks to ensure there was a bit of slack, additionally if she went to far, I would stop and turn to walk a bit, then walk back.

I have to do it more times than I'd like but she's definitely better than she was.

I don't use that chest harness anymore though because it definitely gives her more initiative to pull.

>>2336679

If you use them correctly, they're perfectly fine. Training tools are not meant to be worn or used often. We have a 140# Great Pyrenees that is still learning how to handle walks, and we always put it on her for the walk, and take it off afterwards. That's it.

As soon as it's on her, she knows. She doesn't even try to pull. So she never gets choked. It's about making good habits. We'll use it for walks for 8 weeks, then try without it.

Everything that looks scary and makes hippies cry has a legitimate purpose. You have to be experienced with these things to understand why they're necessary. These hippies will never agree with you until they've been forced to use one appropriately and seen the results achieved perfectly humanely.

>>2336964

This is another aspect of the problem. All dogs are different. I have 2 beautiful great pyrenees. The girl is rebellious and strong-willed. I had to pin her to the ground and shock her more than I care to admit in the first year of her life. She was a complete cunt and refused to be dominated.


The boy is obedient and extreeeeeemly sensitive to emotions. His trainer mentioned we should put him on a track to being an emotional support dog. I mean, this guy will shut down for 6 hours if his sister gets punished. If HE gets punished, you can put a hot dog on the floor, come back 12 hours later, and it will still be there because (for what reason, we don't know) he refuses to touch treats after being punished in the last 24 hours. That is how sensitive he is. A dog like that, you never want to go hard on. They can't handle it. It will traumatize them. They are 100% positive-reinforcement because they only live to please you and the impact is through the roof.

So, the dog you spoke of probably didn't need that prong collar. All dogs are different. No one should use any training tools that cause discomfort without consulting a trainer who can identify your dogs temperament and make appropriate recommendations. Because people are idiots.

>>2336714
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