Feel like a bad pet owner but feel like I got swindled.

>>2336591
Does your vet rub his hands together a lot?

>>2336604
Does he have a tan line in a V shape from his nose to his chin?

Report pol posts outside containment board

>>2336591
I know you love the dog and what not, but a fiscally responsible person would put him down just about now before the rest of him falls apart.

I don't know enough about it so I can't comment on the cleaning having anything to do with his teeth being loose. Maybe if the vet really botched it? I don't know

BUT $900 for a dental cleaning (anesthesia included) seems way too high of a price. My vet charged somewhere between $100-$200 (can't remember exact price) for a dental cleaning/scaling. And when one of my dogs needed a tooth pulled during his dental cleaning, it only cost an additional $20 or so for the extraction. $2k for getting 4 teeth pulled is just absurd.

So it really sounds like your vet is charging WAY too much. I would go to a different vet for a second opinion if I were you. You can shop around different vets to see which ones seem trustworthy and charge fair prices.

>>2336636
That is an absolutely ridiculous low price and I think your vet is cheap as ass. 2k does seem high but a single tooth extraction is typically 3 to 4 hundred, possibly more. I think your vet is just cheap.

>>2336654
Maybe I live in a lower cost area? My vet does have lower prices than many others in the area, but they aren't "suspicious" low as other local vets aren't THAT much more expensive here. How much would you say is average pricing for a dental cleaning/scaling in your area?

>>2336657
I wanna say 200 at least which I guess is what your vet charged you, but I would put 200 on the low end. My mom is about to pay 400 for a single tooth pulled for her cat and that's not including a cleaning. I suppose the area does make a big cost difference.

2k is high, but I still think not unheard of.

>>2336636
It is not uncommon at all for a tooth cleaning to be a few hundred dollars plus a hundred per extraction. Sounds like your vet just cuts corners, probably on pain meds and such since Animals are really good at hiding pain

>>2336636
>>2336654
>>2336683
My vet also charges only about $200 for a teeth cleaning and will extract the tooth for $20-50 each but that's when they are already under anesthetic. They are one of the cheaper vets in my area but they are also rated as one of the highest in terms of quality.

One of the most expensive vets in my area wanted to charge $800 for extracting 4 of my cat's teeth but we switched vets and this current vet was able to save the teeth instead, saving us money and my cat pain. They did say one needs extraction eventually but there was no need to stress him out now.

My point is, $2K is ridiculous. Where do you guys live where the vets are so expensive?

>>2336615

Hey guys OP here.

My dog is in otherwise good health. Oral issues aren't a big deal to me and I wouldn't euthanize him for missing a few teeth. He still runs around and is fully continent (sp?). Until one of those two happen i dont see reason to put him down as he can still "dog". I just feel really upset with my vet.

>>2336772
Did your vet say

>that will be $900 go... guy

>>2336591
Like that other anon said, those prices are way too high. Go to another vet.

Shit like this pisses me off...shady vets swindling people.

>>2336683
I'm the guy you replied to
>>2336742
>My vet also charges only about $200 for a teeth cleaning and will extract the tooth for $20-50 each but that's when they are already under anesthetic. They are one of the cheaper vets in my area but they are also rated as one of the highest in terms of quality.
It's the same deal here. They are not expensive but have great reviews and do a good job. I have no complaints and have taken my pets there for years. They're up front with clients and don't cut corners, pain meds and such are always supplied when necessary, etc.

It really must just be a difference in general cost of living by location. Even then though, 2k for extracting some teeth is way too high and I think OP ought to get a quote from a couple different vets (look up ratings/reviews to make sure they're a good vet) before shelling out that much cash.

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Hey OP,
Dentist here,
Regardless of being overcharged, sounds like during the "cleaning" they took too much enamel off of the teeth. Cleaning dog teeth is literally grinding them down, to appear white. I would steer clear of that vet, keep the teeth unless an infection appears, other wise they will fall out in there own time. PS beware of vets, they make most income off unneeded shots and procedures.

Bump, fuck vets.

>>2337309

This is what I think happened. His teeth almost seemed clear after the cleaning. I can't do much now but I am deciding to keep his teeth as are. I've been crushing up c and b vitamins and mixkng them in doggy tooth paste and applying with a soft new sponge every day. Two have seemed to gain back strength while two still seem like they're done.

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>>2337309

Of course we do. We all spend five years studying medicine of every single different species, and we don't care about animals at all- in fact all we care about is money.

You are aware that if we actually wanted to make any money/get out of student debt we would have become Doctors/ dare I say it dentists? It's no secret vets in the US especially are up to their eyeballs in debt from student loans.

However, that aside... Cleaning does not necessarily mean the teeth won't have to be pulled at a later date.

Gingvitis is where the gingiva (see picture attached) becomes red and inflamed. I would say from my experience that some vets are more keen to pull teeth than others, there are benefits and downsides to having essentially infected teeth in your dogs mouth.

There are studies now uprising that show bacteria from the mouth can go systemic and cause massive heart problems. If you don't feel your dog is in pain/can still eat personally at my practice we would say leave them. However, due to aforementioned studies, there is also reasonable argument to have them removed.

Remember, if you don't like what your vet has suggested you can always get a second opinion. But for the love of all things holy, please at least go ask someone qualified to answer your queries (aka another vet) and not an anonymous internet forum who has about as much clinical animal knowledge as a twenty pence piece.

>>2337309

Just because you've triggered me slightly, I'd like to explain about the whole "unneeded shots". I presume you are discussing yearly vaccinations?

I will start this by saying with you that yes, vaccinations are PERHAPS not needed on a yearly basis. However, to test if your dog/cat still has the antibodies present for protection you would need to do antibody titre testing- which is FAR more expensive than a yearly vaccine.

I would argue that titre testing would need to be done on a three monthly or so basis to ensure your dog has adequate protection. We actually have clients who do this- however the vast majority of the client base is not willing to spend that amount of money every few months to blood test their dog. It is far cheaper to just give them the vaccination once a month, and currently research on over vaccination has mixed scientific papers. Whilst the research at present does not show it is harmful, we will continue to recommend a yearly vaccination.

The benefits of vaccination once a year ensures that the dog IS covered for the fatal (but avoidable) diseases out there. All you need to do is go look at >>2336869 , there you go- an example of a dog that had he of been vaccinated could have avoided death.

It is hard enough to get the average owner to maintain flea/worming/once a year vaccination, let alone titre testing for vaccination. Yearly vaccination maintains owner compliance whilst ensuring the dog is adequately covered against the vaccinated diseases. We do not do it to "make money" as you suggested.

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>>2337998
I'm just wondering, since you obviously know something about this, how are my dogs' teeth? This is dog 1, nearly 9 years old, large breed.

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>>2338080
Dog 1 again

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>>2338082
Dog 2, 5 years old, medium-large

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>>2338084
Dog 2 again. He broke that top canine, and it was capped ($2000 later) and the cap fell out about 18 months later, but the dental specialist said that that might happen and would probably be okay

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>>2338080

Unfortunately that is a blurry photo, and I wouldn't like to say 100% without seeing the dog in person...

However, the gums don't look red and inflamed from what I can see plus there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of plaque or tartar present.

>>2338082

Those gums look a tiny bit more inflammed, but honestly it might just be the picture as the tooth seems relatively free of any plaque/tartar.

As for dog two- gums look nice and healthy - teeth look good.

However, again, please take this with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't like to 100% say the teeth are ok without seeing them in real life. However, your teeth cleaning regime certainly seems to be working for their age! If you start getting halitosis, or if you are worried about plaque build up on your dogs teeth don't be afraid to speak to your vet.

>>2338088
Dog 1 has wicked halitosis, but he also has the worst reflux and I think it's more that than dental issues.

I take Dog 1 to the vet four times a year for pain shots anyway, and he goes back in April, when I've gotta speak to them about whether or not he's developing cataracts, so I'll see if his teeth are good then.

>>2338110

Sounds good to me.

As I said, from photos they look ok to me (I'm a vet student, so I've seen a fair few teeth- although obviously not fully qualified yet), I certainly wouldn't be jumping on the teeth cleaning band wagon. However, without seeing them in the flesh it's impossible to be 100% certain.

However what I would say is that I take my hat off to you for being on top of your dog's dental health. Most owner's don't tend to bring their dogs in for a teeth cleaning until their teeth are practically rotting out of their mouth.

>>2338127
Dog 2 has had 2 dental cleanings. One when he was having his canine repaired, a second when a different damaged and capped tooth shed a flake and he was having tooth pain (which I noticed immediately because of jaw jittering.) Dog 1 has only had the one cleaning, and it was when he had his front top middle teeth extracted because he shattered them. But they'll have a dental if they need one.

>>2338127
In your opinion, how often should a dog get a dental cleaning at the vet, for optimum dental health? I want to get my dog's teeth cleaned at her next checkup but...the thing the other anon said about just grinding down the tooth until it looks white is giving me second thoughts here.

>>2338526
Realistically, dentals checks are done once a year during a general exam for vaccinations. Ideally, I’d love every owner to come in once every 6 months at minimum to give their dog a full check over (which would include dentals), but that’s another story entirely.

As for the other anon, you need to ask yourself- who do you trust right now, a random anon on the internet or your vet who has qualified through five years’ worth of vet school? What I would suggest is that if you are worried is when you go to the vets, discuss what doing a dental actually involved with your current vet.

For a brief overview of dentals, the goal is to remove the plaque/tartar off the teeth. Firstly, it is common place to take dental x-rays. Once in surgery (under sedation), we will check the gums using a probe, and dependent on that result tells us if the tooth is viable/it needs removal. Yes, I’m not going to lie to you, this involves machines called scale and polishers- that will quite literally take the plaque/tartar off the teeth- however this is NO different to modern human dentistry. If you had a huge plaque build-up on your teeth, the dentist would do a very similar procedure. We then typically pop a substance back over the tooth that will protect it initially as scale and polishing provides a more porous structure on the outside of the tooth. This is oversimplifying things a bit, but it's just to give you an idea of the picture.

However, what I would also say is now is a perfect opportunity to discuss this with your vet. Ask him what the procedure involves, decide for yourself. If you decide you don’t trust him after that, get a second opinion at another vet or ask to be referred to a veterinary dentistry specialist. These guys spend years on their craft. Just ask yourself, who do you honestly trust, google or someone qualified?

I don't know what has happened to the other anon here, but I suspect some
Of it is a huge misunderstanding.

>>2338571
Thanks for the advice/info, anon. I do feel silly getting worried about something a stranger said on the internet. I do trust my vet, so I know I shouldn't be getting paranoid like this. I will talk to the vet about it next time she's in for a check-up, which is in a month or two.

>We then typically pop a substance back over the tooth that will protect it initially as scale and polishing provides a more porous structure on the outside of the tooth
Ah, so like it removes some enamel on the tooth? Does that grow back naturally after a while?

Last check-up with my vet, she said that my dogs' teeth had a little bit of tartar build-up, but that it wasn't bad enough that we needed to do anything to "fix it" yet. So in the meantime I've just been giving her a lot of chews like antlers and toys that massage teeth and gums. I also started her on a dental supplement (ProDen PlaqueOff) that I've heard good things about. I kinda want to condition her to allow me to brush her teeth, but every time I've tried in the past she just seemed miserable with it so I gave up. I know I just need to work with her more on it though. But I'm not really sure how often to brush a dog's teeth? We humans do it twice a day but I think probably people don't brush dogs' teeth as often.