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Can a birbologist help me figure out what this is? Taken in Northern Oregon on November 1st, last year. It's sitting on some brambles so it's not very big.

My best guess is sharp-shinned hawk? Probably too small for a Cooper's? If it is either it would be a young one right? Would there even be juveniles in early winter? Might be a rough-legged, I know nothing about them but in one very specific picture the eyes looked the same. This one has that "Egyptian hieroglyphic" style eye thing going on.
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>>2336548
Sharp-shinned Hawk. They have tiny heads in comparison with Cooper's.

That bird is a few months old. They keep their brown first set of feathers until about April before starting to molt into their gray adult feathers.

Rough-legged is way, way bigger. About Red-tail size.
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>>2336561
Alright, cool, thanks. How can you tell his head is tiny? I guess it's hard to tell without them side by side. I've never seen a sharp-shinned up close, someone had told me they're about the size of Steller's Jays and can fit inside a soup can. I've seen Cooper's and I know they're decently large, but at this distance it's tough to judge size. How do they compare to kestrels?

I go to the spot this one was at pretty often so I hope I can see him again. I have seen a quick raptor type thing darting through some oaks I thought might be him but it was too fast to see well.
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>>2336574
Sharp-shinned Hawk heads are only about half the width of their shoulders. Cooper's Hawk heads are proportionally bigger and have a more blocky shape.

The size you were told on Sharp-shins is correct. Some small males aren't much bigger than a robin. They're about the same size as most kestrels.

In terms of length and wingspan Cooper's Hawks are 33 to 50% bigger than Sharp-shins and they weigh 3 times as much.
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>>2336792
Thank you, you are a good birbologist.

The only other thing I thought this could possibly be was a harrier, but the face didn't look right to me. It couldn't be a harrier, right? I'm pretty happy with sharp-shinned though since I need one for my list.
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>>2337840

No.

NOHA's have a rump patch that is almost white. From this perspective I'd expect to see some of it.
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