/aq/ Aquarium General-FABOULOUS Edition

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First

>>2326742
Nice

>>2326742
how much was the background, is it a separate piece?

Ugg...I'm so sick and my betta wants to play...or wants food. Either way he wants my attention and I just don't right now.

Can he chomp on an earthworm if I find him one? Or is that bad?

>>2326736
I love these colors, but these fish always looked ugly AS FUCK because of that retard bulb on top of their heads.

>>2326754
cum works

What happened to the other general ? Where people sperging out about the bump limit again ?

>>2326757
OP just wanted an excuse to post a pic of a fish with a brain tumor

>>2326756
You would like that, wouldn't you
>>2326760
Different op this time

is it possible to carpet monte carlo in tank with fish? i planted lots of individual one in what i think is the correct way

>>2326766
CO2 and good lighting, ferts wont hurt either if your got CO2 as well.

>>2326766
Oh and i forgot which fish?

If its anything like a loach, gg youll be replanting it every day.

>>2326755
It's the Chinese. They ruin the hobby.

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Getting bored of my tank. Thinking about rescaping and adding some more plants, removing the male gourami of the trio to discourage any possible breeding, and adding a larger school of Danio Choprae. Any suggestions /aq/?

Moss is getting irritating as shit to manage, but I'd like some plants for the barely existent RCS population to survive + a spawning medium for the danios. Was thinking of ordering a large clump of Bolbitis and getting more bushy fast growing stem plants to take over the tank space. Tank is low tech with a 60% water change only once every 1-2 months

Need help. One of my fish is acting strange.

>10 gallon
>1 adult f sunburnt platy (had since Nov), 9 juvenile platy (born Dec), 3 oto catfish (had since Jan)
>ph, NO2, NO3, and ammonia all check out

A friend suggested I add a bubbler to increase circulation in the tank. Since I added it (Saturday) the adult platy has spent ALL of her time in the bubbles. Is this normal?

Also, anyone in the Atlanta area want some juvenile platys? They're .5" or less right now, but there are definitely too many to keep in this tank.

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So uh, I got a question about corys. Are they alright with sand and/or gravel?

Im getting answers that say that they need sand and avoid gravel because it would damage their barbels while others say that they do well in gravel with no ill effects.

>>2326938
If you're going to get cories, you should use sand as a substrate.

>>2326736
please excuse my ignorance but IS THAT FUCKING REAL

>>2326963
Yes

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So I have 13 head and tail light tetras in this 17 gallon and a honey gourami
I want some glow light danios, "choprai", but I'm wondering if there's room for the 8-10 of them you need for the schooling

I'm reading some things online saying that course sand is ok substrate for plants, but would that be ok for a Betta, neon tetras, and cherry shrimp?

I'm thinking of getting a 20 gallon long instead of a 10 gallon, and yes, willmove the betta to his own set-up if he gets stressed or irritates the other fish.

>>2327030
Beautiful

>>2327031
Thanks. It's a pretty new tank, but I'm pleased with how it's doing so far.

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>at ease, soldier

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>>2327030

>>2326938
>>2326946
Just make sure the grains are rounded. Sharp grains can damage their barbels.

>>2326963
>>2326985
Selective breeding: not even once.

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Snailo likes plants

>>2327024
Absolutely fine with those. I don't think there's any fish who *aren't* fine with sand. I'd suggest a 20g long, though -- just a 10 is small for a betta and a proper school of neons. Easier to maintain anyway.
I'd also suggest adding the neons, shrimp, and plants BEFORE adding the betta. It helps prevent them from freaking out and murdering all your fish.

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Hey guys, what kind of algae is this? The plecos won't eat it, and neither will the ghost shrimp. What kind of fish or shrimp will eat it?

>>2327232
Nothing eats that. Cut lights and feeding. Or take a syringe full of excel or hydrogen peroxide and it will kill it almost right away.

>>2327018
use http://aqadvisor.com/

>>2327232
hair algae, remove it physically i don't think anything will eat it. you need to also cut down on lighting and feeding and perform more frequent water changes

>>2327240
I don't trust aqadvisor its retarded

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>>2327240
>>2327239
Thanks! Also photobomb.

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This was marked as ammonia senglegalenisis but I've had that plant before looks nothing alike, can anyone ID? I'm dosing a lot of frets and have high light but it's losing all its leaves, new ones are growing in but I'm not sure if new leaves will stay.

Any ideas?

Hey /aq/, can you recommend me a colourful yet easy to care for fish that I can keep in a bowl or small 5 gallon tank on the table next to my bed?

>>2327268
Ditch the bow and go with the 5 gallon with heater and filter. Get ya self a betta or emerald dwarf rasboras.

>>2326810
Co2 isn't necessary. Grew Monte Carlo on flourish comp and excel. Lighting is most important to keep it compact instead of vertical and stringy.

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>>2327265
Comparison shot only a week later.

Tons of new growth but 99% of leaves it came with are gone. Is it just acclimating to my tank or is it fugged?

>>2327050
Is that John Bone? Either way, cuute!
>>2327108
Interesting creature
>>2327200
>suggest adding the neons, shrimp, and plants BEFORE adding the betta. It helps prevent them from freaking out and murdering all your fish.

Will do, thanks for the tip. I was originally going to get just a ten gallon for my betta, but my partner thinks he's awesome and wants his own fish now, so I asked him to help me build him a better tank and we can share it. And if he really wants his own betta later, we can get him his own tank.
>>2327268
BETTA

5 or ten gallon, ten gallon is surprisingly small as well. Look up 'betta myths', and make sure you have a lid because they jump. They are very interactive and like to watch you a lot, but they beg for food like cats so don't over feed.

>>2327344
And by over feed, I mean don't trust the regular betta pellet package. Those little balls need to be soaked in the tank water for a few minutes because they soak up water from inside the fishes stomach, and can cause problems like bloat. They also only need about as much as the size of their eye. They can eat other stuff, so just google a lot.

>>2327053
Female cherry barbs!

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>>2327018
What are the dimensions of the tank?

>>2327268
If not a betta, there are some very impressive killifish, like pic related, that would be okay in a five gallon tank.

>>2327268
Just get a ten gallon. Smaller tanks aren't easier to take care of; they're just uglier and incompetent individuals are more likely to fuck their fish up in them.

>>2327242
This. Really, none of these shitty calculators are decent. If you're really concerned about your stocking, go ask a questions on a fish forum. They're always more than happy to help newbies and they're much more pleasant and knowledgeable than 4chan users.

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Just finished my first planted setup. 10x4x2.5 plastic tank and has red cherry shrimps and some snails

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>>2327610
Also put lava rocks , hairgrass ang black pebbles as decorations.

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>>2327614
Here's how small it is

>>2327614
>>2327610
Lookin good

>>2327616
thanks! I'm now starting a bigger and real aquarium tank planted setup. will also post soon

>>2327615
Oh wait...damn anon, that's really tiny. Tell me it's at least a gallon. I mean kudos for not putting a fish in there, but it's still really small...

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>wake up this morning and check my fish

>water looks good, temps good

>cool

>suddenly betta comes swimming out from behind a leaf witha big white piece of something in his mouth

>tearing and eating it

>looks like it's the plant sponge that the roots grew in

>"OH SHIT NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I can't take a fucking fish your size in for an impaction!"

>in my panic I get close and he drops it

>realize the color is white and not green like the plant stuff

>"oh it's just a leftover piece of shrimp that you tore up"

So anyway, why do bettas 'yawn'? Like open his mouth real wide and close it, like he's yawning?

>>2327623
around half gallon only

>>2327633
I don't mean to sound like a prick, but that's tiny even for cherry shrimp. Any chance you could get them at least a gallong container, or move them in the near future?

>>2327638
yes sure, it's only till I finish my bigger and real tank setup. and also can you identify the snail that I have in that small tank? Ive no idea what it's called

>>2327638
Not OP but , Man theyre shrimp who gives a fuck it looks good

>>2327643
Red ramshorn

>>2327649
thank you, anon

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>>2327651
No prob bro. Good job on that .5
Excited to see your larger tank when it is done.

Here is my current project. Need to trim desperately.

>>2327455
I think I'm going to move half into another tank and get 10 choprais or something
I really wish I had just started off with a 30 or 40 gallon

>>2327656
your tank is amazing, I wish I had those plants too.Im currently choosing between a heavily planted setup or an iwagumi style setup for my next project. will post results asap

>>2327660
Done a 12g long iwagumi before. Fun stuff. Had some cherry shrimp and celestial pearls in there with seiryu stone and an HC carpet. Was enjoyable for quite a good period of time.

>>2327632
All fish yawn.

DWARF CAJUN CRAYFISH INBOUND. Can't wait to eat em on arrival.

>>2327661
are HC's hard to maintain? I was thinking of using montecarlo as the carpeting plant. Would like to see pics of your iwagumi if possible.

>>2327664
Was about 10 years ago, don't think I have any pics, will check though.
They say it's "the hardest carpeting plant"
Total bullshit. Though I do recommend you have at least 60 par at the substrate for lighting, it struggled for me at first, then I borrowed a par meter from LFS and found out I didn't have enough light. I didn't have to do EI dosing or any shit like that. Just used flourish comprehensive and an iron supplement.

Was a dirted tank that, so that might have helped in terms of nutrient retention, I put put a layer of osmocote plus before laying substrate.

>>2326736
Can you give me a quick rundown on this guy?

How much pruning does anyone think my DHG can take? I'v made a few smaller portions from my one pot but Im too lazy to really split it into smaller clumps because i know my loaches will just dig it all up. So im thinking instead to prune it actively to encourage outwards growth.

>>2327675
A good idea to give it a week or two to root before doing any major trimming.

>>2327454
The problem is my table isn't very big and also has all my psych meds on it.

>>2327702
Its already been in for about a week and a half, also has been given good fert dosing and root tabs etc. I also cut a quarter off before even planting it. But how much can i get away on the trimming? I was thinking 1/5th once a week approx.

>>2327755
DHG is pretty prolific, so if you are getting optimal growth, more like 1/5 every 2-3 days.

>>2327344
Thank you! Yes it's Jonbone :) the interesting creature is his friend.

>>2327752
There are several fish that will do okay in a five gallon. You should get a filter with dedicated bio media to help prevent possible crashes and a test kit so you can keep an eye on the parameters. As long as you're good with the maintenance, small tanks are pretty easy.

>>2327760
Well in the week and few days its been in vertical growth is already around 2+ inches, gonna cut some tommorow morning and see what happens this week with growth and then based on that figure how much to do.

Also hjave some drawf baby tears i founfd at a store pre attached to drift wood, shame m fucking loaches wont stop digging into it making it come up.

Any of you lads have a squid?

>>2327808
Sounds like a good way to get a basis on growth reaction before settling into a routine.

>>2327672
It's a hybrid fish. Usually a Midas and true a parrot cichlid. Aka flowerhorn. Many different types. Chinese are responsible for many of the hybrid monstrosities in the hobby. Especially short body of monster fish. They die quicker and suffer.

>>2327860
>true parrot cichlid
What's this supposed to mean? Parrot cichlids are already a hybrid between (probably) Midas and redhead cichlids.

Will 4 48 inch 40 watt t12 lights be enough for my 110 gallon planted tank?

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Dude guys one of my corys died, not sure how but came home and he was stuck to the filter, all the fins seem to be eaten away wtf happend?

All the other corys seem fine.

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>>2327897
Google

>>2327943
I'm not sure on the t12s as they're out dated.

>>2327945
Ok so I definently had an ammonia spike and just did a 25% WC the cory that died was the weakest of the bunch, I'm guess the ammonia did him in. It had one small red mark you see in the photo but no red streaking.

>>2327968
You're a monster.

>>2327973
I guess so, at least there are younglings to replace him

>>2327812
>Any of you lads have a squid?
squid need huge tanks (thousands of gallons) because they swim fast and far.

they also ink and kill the whole tank when they're startled. Like when you walk into the room and they're not expecting it.

they're not common in the aquarium trade.

someone sugest me a water test kit?
how often should i be checking

also how can i keep predatory fish with other fish of similar size without them beating up on eachother

>>2328140
API freshwater master test kit, it's 19.99 on amazon. i do every other day until I know my tank isn't fluctuating a bunch, then i do it before every water change. I'm not super experienced but from what i've heard, you only really need to test for ammonia, nirtrate, and nitrite regularly unless you've got particular needs like a planted tank
You either need a large tank or to get different fish. The former also might not even work -- some fish, like say two male bettas, would probably track eachother down and fight in a 20,000 gallon pond. Having lots of cover also helps hide the less aggressive fish and it distracts the aggressive fish.

>>2327943
Probably fine for medium-low light plants, but you'll do much better with CO2 and ferts on something like that.

>>2328140
What kind of predatory fish are you thinking about getting?

>>2328146
il probably end up buying that one thanks
>>2328146
>>2328153
im in the process of setting up a native tank
( id like to plant native plants and have native fishes)
in a 50 long

the fish i already have in my tank are predtory to an extent ( they eat minnows if/when i add them? and will sometimes nip at eachother

but im looking at adding a grass or redfin pickerel, Online most things say they dont get over 12 inches but i rarely see them even that big in the wild
and if they happened to grow a ton i have a small pond i can put them in and not worry about it
i dont think they will mes with my catfish but if i get a small enough pickerel my catfish may fuck them up

>>2328168
though honestly i might totally redo my tank, Move my favorite fish to a smaller tank ( maybe a 20 or 30 ) and add a few other small fish in with him then turn the larger tank into a more preditory tank

>>2328140
Yeah we need to know what fish

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Jonbone LOVES his new duck weed.

How many shrimp you guys think can go in a planted 40g with fish? I'm thinking there's no way I could really overstock shrimp in a 40g, but I can't find any reliable info. I'm considering breeding them since they're somewhat expensive where I am.

>>2328257
Maybe 15

>>2328255
Looks like water lettuce.

>>2328257
Hundreds, if not thousands. Whether or not the fish will eat them before they breed or stress them into not breeding is another matter entirely.

>>2328257
If you are building a colony 1 per gallon. Otherwise 20 is a good number for a 40.

Community tank?

>>2328257
I watched a video recently and they said the best for breeding is 20 longs. Only reason is because it's easier for the males to find females than in a 40g. But that's all I have. Buy a shit ton. I got like 50 in a 5 gallon I gotta start culling along with dwarf Cajun crayfish.

>>2328262
Aquarium Co-op's tour of that breeder in Chicago?

>>2328265
Yeah boy. Only one I've watched in awhile of his videos. He seems kind of off. But he be doing what he be doing.

PAINTED REDS ARE BREEDING

>>2328315
For sure. I live in Washington and just visited his store in edmonds a week ago. Pretty decent place with great products and hid livestock is fucking gorgeous.

>>2328331
Dude does a great job. I would love to have a shop like his around me.

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>>2327994

Best online fish store for aussies ?

>>2328260
I can just move them out to breed them, so that's not a problem.
>>2328261
Yes, mostly peaceful schooling fish though. Specifically planning to exclude anything that would eat inverts. That makes sense, though. I do have a 20g long but I'd prefer to just shove them in a 10g rather than set up the 20g.

My main concern is accidental overpopulating. Like, would I have any problems if they were to breed a fuckton until there were 50-100 of them? One answer is "15" and the other is "thousands" so i'm not quite sure where to go with that range.

Anyone here ever bred corys ?

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>>2328255
Jon is best bone

I can't get Sinbad to be still for a few seconds unless he's hiding behind a leaf. Otherwise he thinks I'm feeding him.

/mu/ here somebody abandoned small 3 fish in a petsmart bag on the hood of my car in an in n out parking lot, how do I keep them alive and what should my plan of action be in the morning to keep them from dying.

I don't know what they are my friend said they looked like mollies to him but I dont know, am posting a picture soon.

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>>2328542

>>2328540
>literally just goldfish

So I've been doing the planted tank open lid meme for a year and I'm bored of it.

I'm bored of it looking shit unless you maintain autistic levels. I'm bored of the tank water evaporating and making my house damp.

Is it possible to have a nice looking non planted cold water tank? No maintainace hardy plants still allowd

>>2328581
Most plants can handle non heated tanks.

>>2328448
We've got a retard in this thread who's albino corys have bred. They're pretty easy depending on species.

>>2328582
Yes but most plants also require autistic levels of maintainance and I'm bored of it.

I want a tank that I can set up and not touch for months.

>>2328584

What do you define as 'autistic levels of maintenance'?

Pruning once a week?

Fertilising daily?

If you want really low level maintenance (mainly just taking out old leaves) read this https://www.ukaps.org/forum/threads/the-soil-substrate-or-dirted-planted-tank-a-how-to-guide.18943/

Keep lighting on the low side and plant with cryptocorynes, vallisneria, java fern, anubias, bucephalandra and mosses - simple.

>>2328587
>All those plants
>co2

Autismoextremo

I'm just going to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nIPUsi2dI

>>2328594
Low tech doesn't require co2

>>2328598
The linked tank had co2

>>2328542
>>2328543
>mollies
They're common goldfish. How fucking retarded can you be not to recognize common goldfish?
Goldfish need huge tanks, or ideally large ponds. They're indeterminate growers, which means they don't stop growing until they die or are neglected. They easily grow over a foot long and a bare minimum tank size would be 100 gallons. They live at least 10 years when cared for correctly. They're notoriously messy and need a shitload of filtration.
TLDR; find someone else who will take better care of them. I doubt you're willing to drop hundreds of dollars to take care of them over a period of 20 years. Plus, if you really couldn't even tell that they're goldfish, I also doubt you know anything about -- or have any interest in -- fishkeeping.

>>2328406
I used to go for aquagreen and livefish but aquagreen are in the middle of upgrading their ponds and stuff so they don't have much stock. Livefish is extremely overpriced and would only recommend as a last resort - check the forums instead and see if they'll ship.

What are you looking for?

>>2328430
Well with any amount you stock, eventually you will need to cull some. It all boils down to how many shrimp do you want to have to cull every time you need to do so. Do you have a lfs that will give you store credit for them? I would check around and see what your options are for when you inevitably have to pull some out.

>>2328581
So you are lazy?

Get the fuck out my hobby RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2328581
Also, look into the walstad method.

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>>2328581
>>2328584
There are plenty of plants that are stupidly easy to take care of. Marimo, any anubias, most crypts, java fern, mosses, and buces, just off the top of my head. No ferts, no CO2, no special substrate, and they all grow pretty slowly as well, so no excessive trimming. Also emersed plants like ribbon dracaena, mondo grass, and peace lily.
Others like vals, pennywort, dwarf sag, ludwigia, water wisteria, water sprite, and hygro are maybe 20% "more difficult" but still really easy.

Hillstream tanks are also nice, though. You're going to do the big river rocks and get appropriate species?

>>2328430
I have about 50 in my 5 gallon with a few dwarf Cajun crayfish and planted and no water quality problems. Though I am gonna cull soon and put some in my 60 gallon with acaras, angels, pleco, and Raphael catfish.

$1.50 Painted red cherry shrimp culls. Get your orders in boys. Gotta 100.

>>2328629
Pics of 'em?

>>2328604
I didnt know sure yeah I dont know anything about fishkeeping, but they woulda died if i didnt put them in this tank, bought conditioner, and gotten them stable, they wouldnt have lived in a fucking bag, I dont know anybody who will take them, I posted on craigslist looking for somebody with an aquarium who will take free goldfish, fuck you for being such a prick I just wanted to keep them alive.

>>2328755
>posting on 4chan while being this much of a pussy
Go post on instagram or some shit if you're this fucking sensitive, christ.
Give them to somebody with a pond or somebody who has at least a 100 gallon fishtank. They're more than likely going to end up in a bowl or being fed to something else if you just give them away to whoever.

>>2328448
Yes I am am retarded and have bred them, what do you want to know.

>>2328609
I honestly don't think I could kill them. I'd have to soft cull them, so i'll ask the shitty fish store near me if they'll give store credit. Didn't even think about that as an option, but they do buy mammals off people, so I'm assuming they'd offer store credit for fish as well. How much can be realistically expected for RCS? They sell theirs for about 4.99.
>>2328623
The crayfish don't eat them? That's surprising. I'd expect a massacre.

>>2328760
>Give them to somebody with a pond or somebody who has at least a 100 gallon fishtank.
>stock phrases for the elitist cunt aquarist
>implying this is feasible for literally everyone, everywhere

>>2328755
If you know someone with a pond, give the fish to them.
Otherwise, just get the biggest tank you can afford and have room for. If you can manage a 30 or 40 gallon with a filter rated 500+ gph, I'd consider that a good starting point. Otherwise a 10 gallon kit is a good temporary solution.
There was an anon on here who has had a goldfish for 15 years in a 20 gallon long, and I've met several people who have had goldfish for 10+ years in 10-15 gallon tanks. Anything less than 10 gallons seems to be a total crapshoot, though.
Yeah, it'd be great if every goldfish in the world got a 100+ gallon tank, super filters, and high quality food, but it isn't going to happen. Just do the best you can by them. Pellets and fresh veggies are a good diet for them.

>>2328804
>bare minimum standard of care
>elitist cunt
Yeah, just give them to somebody with a 10 gallon tank, you elitist asshole.

>>2328610
>Get the fuck out my hobby
he's trying to.
he want's to keep fish, not vegetables.

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>>2328808
>bare minimum standard of care
it's pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>2328768
Dwarf Cajun crayfish are very friendly and size of the shrimp as well

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>>2328765
>>2328583
Im the anon with the panda corys. They are in community tank and i have purchased another tank. Would really like to see some little fellas outta them. Anything special you did or could recommend without anything to crazy that reqyires enormous amounts of effort ?

>>2328768
What grade rcs? Before I got into shrimp my lfs sold me 6 for 15 and said they would get color. 8 weeks later and absoutely nothing.

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Anyone have those white Mudpuppies that never grow legs? They hard to take care of?

>>2327632
To spread their gills and let sand, gunk drop off if the feathers of them.

>>2328907
Interesting...I got worried his water was off, so I put in another dose of that quick start to be safe. Which probably didn't hurt honestly.
>>2328926
What in the living fuck is that?

>>2328930
Real life face hugger aka giant fairy shrimp

>>2328926
That is terrifying

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>>2328932
>screaming internally increases

Well.

That's just dandy.

I'm glad I have that knowledge lodged deep in my brain now.

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>not keeping your goldfish alive for a month and then killing it

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>>2328986
>How do you keep a goldfish alive for 4 years

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>lfs literally doesn't stock goldfish only the inbred abominations spawned from them

>>2329023
Fancies and are best gold fish

>>2328815
Just because people do it doesn't make it an acceptable quality of care.

What are /aq/'s thoughts on bottled bacteria? I'm just going to start out with a betta in a 5 gallon tank and don't have any means of getting media from a cycled tank.

>>2328986
that was the gayest thing I've ever seen

>>2329242
Lfs usually will sell or give you some

>>2329242
the bacteria you need are in the air. you don't have to add any.

>>2329148
>Just because people do it doesn't make it an acceptable quality of care.
if it was unacceptable it would be illegal.

people do it, it's legal, it's acceptable.

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>>2328858
What triggered my cories to breed I think is a few things

Need more males than females, they will all constantly tell her hey bby u want sum fuk? So more likely to fuck. And clean clean water, generally a large WC with cooler water will trigger them to spawn. Once you see eggs look for the slightly darker yellowed ones, those eggs are fertilized. THEN you have to keep the eggs in goo water flow so no fungus attack them, soon they will hatch and live a day or two off of thier yolk sack. Then you need fry food and need to move them somewhere safe, cause the parents will eat those bitches. After a couple months you get these! Just in panda form.

>>2329309
You really don't see anything wrong with keeping an animal with the lifespan of a few decades being kept in conditions that kill them much sooner?

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>>2329311

>>2329312
the longest lived goldfish on record all lived in bowls.

so your argument is shit.

>>2329315
Source?

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>>2329322

>>2329325
if you actually read the article it lived in a tank.

>>2329339
you're a retard.

a google search brings up millions of articles.

which one did you cherry pick because it includes a tank? The one about Fred and George that live in a 5g tank?

the rest are in bowls, you pathetic, stupid, stubborn little shitstain.

>>2329349
People like you ruin this general

>>2329364
what about you lying to people?
that's just fine?

>>2328452
Sin is the best bad :°

>>2328255
Update: Mom met him and called Jonnybone Boy raggedy :(

>>2329309
>if it's legal it's acceptable
Holy fucking shit. This is why you should have to have a license to own any pet.
You do realize that it isn't legal in countries with decent animal welfare laws, right? You also realize that it's still legal to fuck animals in most places?

What kind of sand are you guys using in your shrimp tanks? I checked all the stores in my city and none had aquarium sand, which is ridiculous. There was calcium carbonate sand for hermit crabs, but I dont know if that will affect the water parameters and shrimp. I'll have to order it online.

>>2329381
>stop liking things I don't like!
>autistic screeching

>>2329383
>>2329383
Seems like most people just use pool or play sand. I'm planning on using black diamond blasting sand, which you can find at home depot or similar. 50 lb for 6 bucks, so it's probably the cheapest option.
>>2329386
>liking things
What are you even talking about?

>>2329383
Not related, but that sand is shit for hermit crabs. The last time I was on Hermit Crab Association, the recommendation was a mixture of play sand and coco fiber.

If you can find it, I've heard good things about pool filter sand.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Quikrete-50-lb-Pool-Filter-Sand-115350/202314677

>>2329387
>What are you even talking about?
Americans like to keep goldfish in bowls and bettas in vases.

you don't like it.
no reason why, you just don't like it.
and you think people should stop doing it because you don't like it.

and you're too retarded to understand this.

>>2329389
>american
That explains a lot.

>>2329389
>Americans
*single moms

>>2329391
you're on an American website, puke-breath.

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Spaghetti

>>2329308
It takes a long time to cycle this way and it'd be much easier just to dump some seeded media in your tank.
>>2329242
Like the other anon said, see if your LFS will sell you some. If not, just google fishless cycling. I've heard mixed opinions about bottled bacteria from experiences aquarists, but you can give it a shot. Invest in a water testing kit.

>>2329397
>It takes a long time to cycle this way and it'd be much easier just to dump some seeded media in your tank.
both ways take the same amount of time.

>have headphones in doing aquarium stuff
>young savage why you trappin so hard?
>decide to change carbon
>rinse carbon in tap water
>usually i soak the carbon in dechlorinated tap water with a lot of prime in it after
>forgot to this time

Did i goof?

>>2329399
I don't think it would, though. I think using media from an established tank would take much less time to cycle than just letting it sit for a month.

>>2329402
it's fine.
the carbon will adsorb the chlorine, but in about an hour all the chlorine will have evaporated out.

so no big deal.

>>2329415
okay good, I'm just a worrier.

>>2329397
API Quick start+Stress coat worked really well for me, but I gave it a full 24 hours and added more during the weekly water change.

I also had some plants in the aquarium .

>>2326925
Fish found dead today. Not sure what happened.

>>2329414
>I don't think it would, though. I think using media from an established tank would take much less time to cycle than just letting it sit for a month
the main reason it doesn't work is because the bacteria starve to death for lack of ammonia.

the other reason it doesn't work is nitrifying bacteria require water flow to provide them with oxygen, so shutting off the flow for 1/2 hour kills them. Drying them out also kills them.

So it might work IF you already have huge amounts of ammonia in the tank from a constant source, AND IF you transfer the media in less than half and hour, AND IF the media contain enough bacteria to handle the entire bioload of the tank.

otherwise they just die and the cycle takes as long as if you'd not added them.

>>2329414
>just letting it sit for a month.
also this isn't cycling.
and cycling takes longer than a month.

so basically we're getting an opinion on cycling from someone that apparently doesn't know what it is or how long it takes in the first place.

>Get home and betta greets me with dances and begging for foods

>After foods betta wants attention and play time

>Hunts the lazer pointer for a few minutes, moves his toy around, lets me stroke his sides and willingly swims into my cupped hand to lay in it for a minute

>Water is sitting at a comfortable 80 F so it's not like he's cold, and he has other spots he likes to lay and chill

I never thought in a million years a fish could be this interactive, but I swear to god, I don't think I have ever gotten this much enjoyment out of a pet that wasn't one of the traditional dog, cat, rat, bird types.

>>2329374
Ahaha

Well anon, he does look a little hagard

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>>2328901
Are you talking about axolotls? They grow legs, they just never metamorphose into full-grown salamanders. They also do come in black, grey, and gold as well as white.
They do better at lower temperatures (65-70°F), which can be difficult to maintain if you live somewhere warmer.
They're also pretty dirty, so you should have a high capacity filter, but one that doesn't make too strong of a flow.
Fish can pick at their gills, and they'll eat inverts, so it's best if they're the only thing in the tank besides some small feeder snails and shrimp.
Gravel can cause intestinal impaction, which is potentially fatal. Sand is fine, as are stones larger than their head.
Sharp decorations can tear their skin.
They're sensitive to chemical additives, especially copper, which means things like plant fertilizers isn't recommended.

Overall, they aren't actually difficult to keep. They're very hardy and can thrive even on an unvaried diet and irregular feedings.
A 20 gallon tank with cheap sand, large river stones, and low tech plants like anubias and anacharis is good for one. I'd really recommend at least a 30 gallon for two. Hikari carnivore pellets are frequently recommended for dry food. Bloodworms if you want to go frozen, and earthworms if you want to do live food. Water changes every week or two weeks once the tank is cycled.

>>2329242
They seem to worm for some people. If you want to give it a shot, keep the receipt and the bottle. After you put in the bacteria, put a bit of fish food in each day. Test the water a couple days later or take some water to the store for them to test it for you. If you aren't happy with the results just return it for a refund. Any big store will accept a return for at least 30 days without issue.

>>2329383
I personally use Fluval Stratum. Another vote for pool filter or play sand if you want sand though.
If you want something more uniform looking, PetSmart has a couple of options under the National Geographic brand.
I've had trouble with blasting media being too sharp for bottom dwellers. My shrimp were okay on it, but they didn't start breeding until I switched the tank to play sand.

>>2329399
Cycling using seeded media only takes a few days. Maybe a week at most.

>>2329493
>the bacteria starve to death for lack of ammonia.
So give them ammonia.

>shutting off the flow for 1/2 hour kills them.
Source?

So I've decided to get my betta a 55 gallon tank instead of a ten gallon.

I was looking at 20 gallons in walmart, and for about $40 dollars more I can get the full 55 gallon setup, so I think I'm going to do that.

I kind of want the basic set-up of neon tetras and cherry shrimp, but do you guys have any other suggestions?

>>2329551
>Source?
every filter manufacturer and online fish forum in existence.

do you live under a rock or something?

>>2329551
>Cycling using seeded media only takes a few days. Maybe a week at most
only if all of your media is seeded, in which case you're not cycling with seeded media.
you're just moving an already cycled filter from one tank to another.

>>2329517
>a little haggard
Kill yourself. I saved him.

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>>2329599
At ease soldier, I meant no harm.

;3

>>2329553
Definitely corys they have great personalities

>>2329554
So find one. You're the one making the claim.

>>2329557
That hasn't been my experience.

>>2329607
>You're the one making the claim.
>it's your job to educate me

how about no? Your ignorance costs me nothing. In fact I usually find it pretty entertaining.

>>2329599
I'll step on his haggard ass

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>>2329607
>>2329612
>>2329617
Boys! Boys...

This is a peaceful board.

>>2329495
Cycling refers to letting bacteria establish itself so it can handle the ammonia load fish produce. You're telling me that using filter media that already has all the necessary bacteria wouldn't cycle a tank faster? That doesn't make any sense.

>>2329650
>You're telling me that using filter media that already has all the necessary bacteria wouldn't cycle a tank faster? That doesn't make any sense.
no, I'm telling you if it has all the bacteria already you're not cycling. You're just moving a filter.

and whether it does or doesn't have the necessary bacteria doesn't matter if there's no constant source of ammonia in the tank. Because all those bacteria will die.

there is no way to speed up cycling a tank. Adding bacteria doesn't work because they just die.

>>2329650
>>2329653
>You're just moving a filter.
also this doesn't actually work even if there is a source of ammonia in the tank because you also need a source of nitrite.

by the time your biofilter has converted ammonia in the tank to nitrite, all the bacteria that consume nitrite have starved to death. It takes weeks to get enough nitrite built up to feed them.

cycling is has two major steps, even if you get the first step right the second one won't work. So even just moving a cycled filter doesn't actually work. The tank still needs to cycle.

>>2329599
It's a fair observation. He does look like you put him through a few cycles in a washing machine and/or a blender.

>>2329612
>makes shit up
>doesn't know how to debate
>calls others ignorant
Cool.

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So, my roomate's girlfriend's betta died, probably because of whatever this tank is. He plans on buying her another pet for it, but I'm trying to convince him not to put another betta in it.

What can even live in this? It's about 3 gallons, and the filter pumps water up into the plants above. It's retarded. All I can think of are those african dwarf frogs, but I'm not sure they could survive in this.

>>2329658
Poor John Bone, gettin teazed so much

>>2329862
Goldfish and a pleco to eat the poop.

>>2329862
People need to do more research but at the same time box stores advertise these as end all be all for your betta and people do trust the opinions of pet store workers as the best advice. Shrimp would would. Dwarf frog I can see as well. Snails and shrimp maybe?

>>2329870
Lolno. Good bait though.
>>2329872
Yeah, I'll try to push them in that direction. I'm not sure if she'd be willing to buy bloodworms for the frog though.

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Why do dedicated non chain aquarium stores seem to still no jack all about aquariums?

>Setting up a temperate tank
>Get told hillstream loaches are tropical fish
>Get told that it's ok to keep white cloud mountain minnows at 27 degrees
>Say "huh that's weird they're not a tropical fish are they tank bred and hence used to high temperature"
>Get told "Oh no we buy these in from asia"
>Actually implying they're wild caught which they certainly aren't


literal fucking retards

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>>2328901
If you're not talking about the axolotl there's the aquatic olm salamander. It also has legs.

I think there's an aquatic salamnder that pretty much looks like a water snake.

There's a population of tiger salamanders that never metamorphose, but they also have legs.

>>2329704
this isn't a debate, kiddo.

If it was, you lost the instant you tried to deny facts.

>>2329862
I have that exact tank. It's not that bad as long as you remember to check the water every once in a while and don't assume it's perfectly self sustaining. My betta has lived in it pretty happily for a long ass time now. I don't have the original air pump anymore though and they've changed it. Is it a small powerhead or air pump? Yours looks like some tiny powerhead type of deal.

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>>2329602
>>2329617
>>2329866
>Beauty

>>2329887
It's the one that came with it, if that helps. I'm not really a fish guy, I just don't like shoving animals in things they can't survive in.

How do you keep the plantdirt from falling into the tank? This water looks filthy.

>>2329880
Asia has fish farms.

>>2329887
Not that poster, but does the tank have a lid? 3 gallons is actually the bare minimum for bettas.

Does it have a heater? Bettas are tropical and thrive in 80F water. If they really want another betta, tell him to get a real filter, a heater, a liquid freshwater test kit, and to google cycling an aquarium.

>>2329899
Which means they're tank bred but in asia.

>>2329898
It's one of these right? https://www.amazon.com/Back-Roots-31000-Water-Garden/dp/B00CN52TRM/ref=sr_1_30?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1488836418&sr=1-30&keywords=betta%2Btank&th=1

With the bullshit closed ecosystem, never clean it! Something like that could work for a few shrimp, but fish aren't suited to it. They should monitor the ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites and do water changes as needed.

>>2329908
Yeah those come with lids. They have special lids for putting small plants in. That's why the water is pumped upwards. I got my tank used from my grandpa so some of the accessory stuff was missing, but I don't think it comes with a heater. I bought my own heater.

>>2329898
Don't use regular soil. It's supposed to have porous rocks with it that you use instead. I don't have anything growing in mine except aquatic plants. Air pumps make a bunch of bubbles. Water pumps or powerheads just move water. Here's a short video to see.
https://youtu.be/O55oYtDZucE

>>2329921
They have strawberry plants in potting soil.

I thought my roomate knows fish, he has a 20 gallon saltwater tank full of corals and I can see some tube worms or something, but this tank is gross. I've only ever seen it cleaned once in the past 4 months. Poor fish.

>>2329958
He probably doesn't give a shit because it's "just a betta"

>>2329983
Saltwater fags don't give a fuck about fish health. They wanna jerk off over corals and treat their frags like its marijuana.

>>2329989
most of us have fish that cost more than your entire setup. We're pretty careful with them.

it's actually freshwater keepers that don't usually understand fish health, but that's something that only becomes obvious when you graduate from FWU.

>>2329989
Lmao, as >>2330001 said, I have a pair of clownfish worth more then any of your fishtanks. So yes, i give them the best care possible. I use vitamin additives, and have a set feeding schedule so the fish get different food every day of the week.

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>>2330001
>>2330014
My koi are probably worth more than your car(s).

>sister has betta in .3 gallon vase with one single leaf coming out of the top
>suggest that she should at least give him a tank with a filter
>"but anon, the plant is his filter! it's self-sustaining! I don't even have to change the water."
I don't understand how people expect this shit to work.

>>2330056
that's cool, what are they worth? my cars aren't worth more than $20k.

>>2330058
they've got the right idea, weak execution.

>>2330056
Thats really not the point. My clowns are worth more then any freshwater fish tank I've ever had. And I'm sure you have good husbandry practices for your koi, due to the amount of money they are worth. amirite?

>>2330001
>most of us have fish that cost more than your entire setup

this is proof that saltwater fags are the equivalent of that 60 year old man with a mustang 5.0 and a small, impotent penis.

>>2330078
But it's the truth? Lol. I've sold people $400 mapa puffers, $250 queen angels, and $1,000 pairs of clownfish. If people have money to spend on nice things, they will. Saltwater fish are beautiful, and many are rare. Not your average fish

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Hey guys haven't posted In A while. I got to that magical point of self sustainability (and depression) so I haven't really touched the aquarium in 2 months and things seem to be going well. Some of the plants died down a little because I haven't replaced th co2, but others have done really well. Fish are breeding like crazy.

>>2330078
>only old people have more money than me
I have bad news for ya, sport.

>>2330083
very nice looking!

>>2330078
So basically your saying saltwater aquarists have more money then you? Even though most of them arent 60? And that your jealous of them, since you think they are obviously compensating for something?

>>2329885
>stuff I made up on the internet
>"""""facts"""""

>>2329882
>I think there's an aquatic salamnder that pretty much looks like a water snake.
Maybe sirens? Their limbs are really stumpy, so they're hard to see. They aren't white, though.

>>2330090
nope but when they're always gloating about the price tags it means they are nothing but a status symbol for them as stated here >>2330079

>>2330084
>>only old people have more money than me
not what i said retard

>>2330014
I doubt your $20 trash fish is worth than my any fish in my collection.

>>2330001
My ray cost more than anything you'll ever own lol. Saltwater keepers don't have much more knowledge than "muh tank cost more money so me superior knowledge lol" you pay higher prices for common fish because the methods used to catch the fish which is commonly cyanide into a reef. This kills some of the fish and coral. *drops dildo"

>>2330014
Hahahahahahahaha oh fuck my sides

>>2330105
>SW aquarists don't care about fish!
>sure we do, ours cost a lot
>you're always gloating about the price tags
fucking retard.
>>2330112
>My ray cost more than anything you'll ever own lol.
how much was it?

>>2330077
>clowns
>one of the few reef fish to be successfully commercially bred
>expensive

Go fucking kill yourself.

>>2330120
he's got some fancy new morphs you've never heard of.

>>2330121
Ooh ocellaris faggotaris?

>>2330079
There's very few rare saltwater aquarium fish. The rest are rare in the hobby which means jack squat.

>>2330118
The albino pearl ray itself was $1500

>>2330114
the corals and rock in his tank probably cost more than any FW tank I've ever seen posted here.

>>2330124
You gonna cry at it's premature funeral?

>>2330124
that is indeed worth more than I've ever paid for a single fish.

about half what my rock cost though.

>>2330127
he didn't post a pic, it never happened.

>>2330126
Wow, monetary compensation for reef destruction, I'm so impressed.

>>2330130
are you the guy that pretends cyanide fishing is still a thing?

lol

>>2330084
More a matter of "only tiny-dicked fuckbois brag about how much money their things cost."

>>2330090
It's amazing what you can put on a credit card nowadays.

I made a ~3.4 gallon tank, how many celestial pearl danios could I put in there? I made the tank to see if I could do it, and I've always wanted CPD so I figured why not

>>2330127
No. Because it won't happen :)

>>2330131
It actually is.

Also I'm enjoying all this butthurt from the salt fags who's only argument is "muh money"

>>2329891
More like bad-ass

>>2330139
Pretty sure you need a ten gallon because they are schooling fish. Even bettas like room to swim around, but they can survive in that small of an aquarium.

>>2330146
It's not even about money. I havent paid more then $600 for my whole tank, because I built it slowly, and traded for most of the things I wanted, and did it as frugally as possible. For me its about the sheer amount of life in one of these small tanks. Each individual polyp is it's own organism, and each colony has thousands of polyps. There's micro life, everywhere. Like mysid shrimp, amphipods, copepods, and all sort of other little critters. There's things like giant clams that grow to be a couple feet long and older then any human. Corals so toxic, the smallest piece can kill a human. and the sheer diversity of life you can fit into a small tank. My tank currently has a hundred or so species of corals, 3 types of fish, 8 species of crab, and all sorts of other stuff. All inside of a 28 gallon tank. And it's nearly self sustaining. As long as I put water in the ATO reservoir, I can leave the tank for months. The sump of my tank is very well established, and the refugium kicks out so many copepods, I literally don't need to feed my fish. I still do, but I really don't need to. I've successfully left my tank for a month and a half so far, a little bit of algae, but everything lived. Do some of the things I have cost a lot? yes, but theres nothing I can do about that, cuz thats just the hobby. Instead I got a job at a saltwater store where I get everything at cost, and trade in coral frags for new stuff. My tank brings me more enjoyment that any electronics, and I spend hours a day looking at it. Completely worth the money, but more importantly the time and effort I have put into it.

>>2330162
Freshwater can have the same amount of life. But no one dives deeper into freshwater then fish and plants. A lot of people don't even know that there's freshwater corals and now aquatic mushrooms.

>>2330181
>corals
I meant sponges

>>2330181
I have actually looked into those before. Some types of spongilla look kinda nice/cool to me too. it would be basically impossible to get though, short of traveling there and harvesting myself. Most of the life in the saltwater tanks comes from the liverock. Wish there was an equivalent for freshwater, like driftwood from the amazon or something.

>>2330181
It would be really awesome to dive the rogue river and try to find the aquatic mushrooms :) it would be pretty cool to see. and maybe I could snag a sample for my mycology professor, to see if she can do something with it.

>>2330181
The problem is that people wander into a petco or petsmart and see the most basic common freshwater fish there are and say hurr durr freshwater is boring

>>2330197
No one ever said freshwater was boring. I have saltwater tanks, but as soon as I move into my new place (few more months) I'm taking one of my 55s out of storage for a fahaka puffer. There's some excellent freshwater stores in my area, with way more options then any of the local saltwater stores. For me it's part of the hunt, running to every store in the area to see if they have what I want. Ordering stuff for myself from distributors lets me get the weirder stuff too, like my abalone.

>>2330199
>No one ever said freshwater was boring
some people do claim that though, especially saltwatercucks.

>>2330200
I've literally never heard that. I swear its something the few butthurt FW folks think about saltwater people... Most reefers I know that have done freshwater planted tanks say planted tanks are harder. And almost all of them do have freshwater tanks.

>>2330202
in time you will notice /aq/ is rabidly anti-saltwater.

it's just one useless anon, but he does a great job of chasing everyone off.

>>2330208
I've been visiting /aq/ for quite sometime. I just rarely mention my saltwater stuff. sometimes I like to talk about it, but it always gets flak, from yes, the same one asshole. always samefagging

>>2327945
He most likely didnt get killed by the filter. Usually when fish are found dead in the filter its because they died due to something else and just drifted toward it and got sucked up. The other guys probably nipped away at hime while he was dead. sorry for your loss

>>2330208
>>2330210
I started it and the others weren't me.

>>2330200
>some people do claim that though
>hobbies are either boring or not to everyone
>if someone finds my hobby boring I have to be deeply offended
you may not know this, but the vast majority of people think keeping fish is boring as shit.

>>2330213
then all you've done is create an echo-chamber that keeps people that are vastly more experienced than you out.

which is presumably what you were trying for.
good job.

>>2330215
And yet it's one of the most popular hobbies. Now keeping reptiles is weird.

>>2330216
No. I have more than enough knowledge. I only come here to post pics or start fights.

>>2330215
Technically the popular, normie opinion is keeping anything beyond a cat and dog is weird

>>2330217
>it's one of the most popular hobbies
compared to what? driving? walking around? playing video games?

I don't think it's even in the top 1000.

>>2330221
When I mentioned that I found a tank in the garbage and took it home my girlfriends sister seemed weirded out and said "you have two tanks?"

>>2330219
I've always assumed you were a bot.

I still haven't seen anything that indicates otherwise.

>>2330215
obviously I'm talking about that are either in the hobby or interested ya fucking tard.

>>2330217
>Now keeping reptiles is weird

How so?
I mean, I've seen autists raving about super rare color morphs or edgelords who like watching them live feed, but beyond that doesn't seem that bad

>>2330230
It's a normie opinion

>>2330229
>obviously I'm talking about that are either in the hobby or interested ya fucking tard
oh of course.

keeping fish is one of the most popular hobbies among hobbyists that keep fish.

can't argue with that logic. You're very clever.

Anybody with a tank at 6.0-6.5 pH? How do you keep your pH stable? Most online resources tell me to throw some driftwood in my tank and peat pellets in my filter

Is this sound advice?

>>2330233
It actually is one of the most popular hobbies.

>>2330236
yes, that works. you can also use moss in the filter. Or dead leaves on the bottom of the tank.

all of those produce blackwater though. which you might not like the look of.

more sophisticated methods that don't produce blackwater are things like dosing CO2 or using organic waste as fertilizer for plants.

You can also us RODI water and hit it with a bit of hydrochloric (muriatic) acid to bring down pH. Essentially you want very soft water buffered to acid by either organic or chemical acids.

>>2330233
You're very dumb
I was talking about people claiming freshwater fish were boring, I don't even know what you're on about right now.

>>2330241
the conversation moved on without you.
try to keep up.

>>2330241
saying freshwater fish are way more popular among hobbyists is like saying Fords are more popular than Ferraris among drivers.

obviously true, and for obvious reasons.

About to set up my 13 gallon tank, I have an aquaclear 20, should a take out the carbon to let it cycle? Assuming that carbon could possibly mess with conditioner & bacteria at first?

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>>2330243
I wouldn't say thats exactly true. Like I've said before, i havent spent more then $600 or so on my saltwater tank. And I would say it's equivalent to a 'ferrari', granted its probably more then most freshwater people would spend on a 28g tank, I know plenty of people with more expensive freshwater fish tanks.

>>2330248
I think if they both cost the same and took the same amount of work the distribution would be way different.

most new aquarists are children, and children would probably rather keep Nemo and Patrick if they could.

>>2330246
carbon won't mess with conditioner or bacteria.

please god end this thread already

>>2330248
I really like your open brain and hammer.
I don't know why, I just love the LPS's.

>>2330243
The only difference salt water cost more and methods used to harvest them are harmful to the environment

>>2330254
I kinda doubt the average freshwater aquarist is disciplined enough to keep nitrates under 5 for years at a time with no mistakes.

actually most saltwater aquarists eventually fail at that and give up.

There are three different types of cory cats on aqadvisor, which one is the common one to be seen in a community tank, or which one is the dwarf one?

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Just got the first plants for my first planted tank today. I'm planning on filling the entire foreground with dwarf hairgrass or some other carpet, but since I can't afford a great CO2 system now and I found a killer deal on a large plant bundle, I decided just to go with the jungle look for now. Excited to see what this becomes.

Only inhabitant now is a butterfly pleco, but I plan on adding a bolivian ram and 6 neons.

>>2330294
You got memed. You have a hillstream loach.

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>>2330306
Dekeyseria brachyura - L168

>>2330309
Okay so you kind of know what you're doing. I see hillstream loaches labeled as butterfly plecos. Gets on my nerves

>>2330311
I'll admit that I'm extremely inexperienced when it comes to plants, but fishkeeping is not new to me. There's no way I'm going to stick a hillstream loach in any low-flow tank under 48".

I agree that common names make everything confusing and irritating.

>>2330139
Pic? What are the dimensions of the tank? 3.4 gallons is really small for CPDs.

>>2330223
>driving? walking around?
You consider those hobbies? You must be as interesting as a damp carrot
Legitimately though, "fish keeping" is one of the most popular hobbies in the US. Also, tons of people think it's boring as shit.

>>2330246
Carbon won't affect the bacteria cycle or water conditioner.
It will remove medications, tannic acid (blackwater), and some fertilizers. It also doesn't offer very many benefits on a well-balanced freshwater tank, so if you wanted to remove it in favor of more bio media, resin-based media, or something else, you won't be any worse off.

>>2330294
>a bolivian ram
Not a pair?

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I got this retarded Dwarf Neon Rainbowfish. Very small and gets bullied by my larger rainbowfish and my serpae tetras.

>>2330148
Thank you from Jonbone and I. <3

>>2330248
Nice anon. Fuck the freshwatercucks

>>2330251
Hahahaha. Worst general in ages

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>>2330248
I didn't know I hated saltwaterfags until this thread. You all sound like rich children gloating about their new shoes.

>>2330408
It's a shame as there's saltwater keepers that aren't like that. I have a brother who has a 28 gallon reef tank and is very modest about it. Cares a great deal about inhabitants even though it consists of very basic ones like an ordinary clownfish

>>2330329
those curves on the spine are symptoms of malnutriton

>>2330408
38% of those posts aren't saltwaterfags.

>>2329546
They're also completely extinct in the wild due to habitat destruction and would be completely gone if not for the pet trade. One of the few times this has actually worked.

>>2330316
14x8x8, guess it's more like 4 gallons. I was hoping CPDs would be small enough, maybe I'll just put some of my shrimp in there.

>>2330544
That's better than I was expecting. It's only 2 inches shy of the same footprint as a standard 5.5, so it should be fine for five or six CPDs if you're confident you can keep the parameters steady.

>>2330839
Nice, thanks

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>>2330124
Can I see a picture of your ray? It sounds pretty

>>2330211
Do you think it was the ammonia? All my corys and shrimp and fish are fine, but I noticed my mystery snail had died, maybe that caused the ammonia, or the ammonia killed it.....

Also I've been reading those two anons bicker it out and wanted to put my two cents in. I think saltwater is cool as fuck, the variety of life, color and unique fish + crustaceans can make for some of the most beautiful scapes. Unfortunately for the untrained and inexperienced it can be very costly, both economically and emotionally (harder to maintain, if everything dies it's a ton of money down the drain ect). So it's a trade off, the pus to freshwater however is its cheaper, easier, and less handsome generally, you need less equipment ect. But with enough effort and creative any freshwater scape can look just as good if not better than a saltwater setup, all depends on the owner really.

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>>2330248
Is it always blue? I feel like that drowns out some of the colors, any way to make it brighter?