Animal and plant life in the future

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>>2293290
Ah, a fellow future historian. Some diversity with the surviving equids would be nice.

Oh, very old picture. I have seen it more than 10 years ago. What is a source of this illustration? It looks like drawn by any artist illustrated Dougal Dixon's books.

Do I get paid?

What do you mean?

Can't post direct links here. Is there any restriction to link posting?
You may google for "Blue Chimera" page, where links and references to various projects on xeno-, alternative and futuristic biology are gathered. Links to my project are there.

>>2293302
I think it was Dixon himself. It's for a horse exhibition from what I can gather.

>>2293340
Oh, I know he had taken part in preparation of horse exhibition in Munster. So, it would be interesting to ask him about it. The ideas shown there look interesting, but somewhat unreal, expecially long-tailed "post-horses". Giant Indricothere-like horse also seems to be a doubtful idea.

>>2293347
>interesting but somewhat unreal
Just described over half of his work.

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Have any members of pinnepedia survived the Holocene Extinction? If so, have they become fully aquatic and taken on the roles of extinct cetaceans?

>>2293395
In my project there is only one dwarf otter-sized species of pinnipeds inhabiting the Wenedian Lake (former Baltic Sea). Mysticete whates are replaced by planktonivorous fishes.

>>2293383
Oh, especially his Night Stalkers and "Flish". And as for predatory rats, I think they'll never appear in case of survival of any weasels.

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>>2293721
Bump
This animal is a descendant of red river hog (Potamochoerus porcus). Two bony protuberances on muzzle of this animal may turn to horn-like structures in the future.

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>>2293897
Big question. How did tapirs survive the Holocene Extinction?

>>2293913
Relic population of the only survived species in rests of South American forests.

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>>2293915
Alright then. Any plans on a book deal or animated doc after everything has been compiled and translated, or is it a continually updating online project?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q06RmWqZr74

>>2293920
Ohhh, "after everything has been completed"... I'm not sure it will be completed even in some years. Once some years ago one publishing house asked me about the opportunity of publishing of some parts of the project as a book - short parts of the first cycle. But I think I'll keep it as an online project - it would be possible to change any details of the project.
By the way, I still don't imagine how to use the perfect map made by AlexSone. I wanted to make marks on this map linked to chapters of the project. I'll ask one good man helping with HTML code of pages how to do it.

Posthomic Pioneer, do you take part in any project dedicated to speculative biology?

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>>2294275
Not at the moment, though I do develop and visualise what others describe as well as creating individual creatures with distinct time period in mind.
Also, not a very skilled artist, but can certainly produce better work when a reference is present.

>>2294283
>with no distinct time period in mind.

>>2294285
Have you any profile on DeviantArt?

>>2294289
No

>>2294469
Just thought I could meet you there. I also have no profile there, but my colleagues and co-workers on the project are.
I'm here to find new people interested in speculative biology.

>>2294531
I primarily work on here, but if you need any help, I'd be honored.

>>2294534
I'd like to meet good artists here to illustrate chapters of the project, but also would like to discuss new ideas and descriptions of Neocene species.
We have also Yahoo group to discuss new ideas - it is named Philosphica-Dixonia (yes, PhiloSPHica - it can't be changed), but the activity in that group is rather low.

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>>2294561
What about those guys on Zetaboards?

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>>2293290
The problem with this idea is a huge one. You are assuming that humans will leave a planet that is habitable to mega fauna that we are used to seeing. If humans go extinct, you can bet that we will have taken down most other species with us. All natural resources as we know it will have been exhausted.
What will survive are creatures that already do well In human saturated areas Ravens/crows do well because they are incredibly smart. Pigeons and seagulls survive because of the efficiency of the flock, and high fat reserves.Roaches and rats do well because of their small sizes and ability to thrive off human garbage and crumbs, as well as their high fecundity. Nocturnal animals aren't persecuted by people because we don't see them as much, so raccoons & possums and the like can survive long enough to continue to adapt.
As the climate changes, those areas that are already warm will be getting hotter. Reptiles can survive here better than mammals because of their temperature regulation and less demand for water.
But mammalian mega fauna, no. Their time will come to an end soon because of humanew destruction, sadly. The only ones that will survive will be those in zoos.
Sorry to be so negative, but it weighs on my mind daily.

>>2295492
Oh, of course, I know the fate of mammalian megafauna. And I can imagine the Earth fauna right after people. The largest representatives of terrestrial fauna would not exceed in size goat or pig. Of course, strictly specialized and endemic species will not survive too. The island fauna would suffer greatly. On land the area of rainforests would shrink to some islets in areas difficult to exploiting. Steppe and savanna areas transformed to farmlands will save only a minute part of their former biodiversity.
But there will be some refugiums for the ancestors of future fauna. One of them would be Siberia and the north of North America - the area of continental climate poorly populated even now. As for other refugiums - let's dscuss it. Maybe, Australia, Andean region, Central Africa?
And synanthropic roaches will not survive: they are heat-loving ones and will perish in first winter without humans.

>>2295533
Yesterday I had added the bunch of new descriptions to the "Bestiary" - in Russian.

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>>2296042
I was wondering, are the gannetwhales oviparious or viviparious?

>>2296164
Strictly oviparous. Vivipary is not possible for birds, because their embryos take calcium for skeletons from egg shell. In squamates, for example, egg yolk is a store of calcium. That's why they easily pass to vivipary - independently in various groups of lizards and snakes.

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>>2296380
Alright, that's good. Considering that you seem to be covering the 25 million year mark and correcting a few mistakes from TFiW, any plans for maybe a 100-200 million year project? Considering TFiW just jumps from 100 to 200mil, it seems a bit odd to leave out 100 million years.

>>2296880
No, I'm not planning to make any other projects yet. My Neocene is still not finished, and I think there are many new chapters to come.
I had no special intention to correct mistakes of TFiW. I just wanted to make my own project. At first I wanted it as an addition to TFiW - that's why there are gannetwhales in Neocene, and "Dixonian glaciation" as a background of the project. But now you see, it's a separate project.

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>>2297248
Fair enough. Any thoughts on what woulf most likely survive until that point? I may start a project like yours, save for being set 100+million years in the future.

Also, I've heard the term "Dougaroid" used by some Japanese fans to refer to any project resembling his work.

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>>2293897
Babyrousa looks skeptical

>>2297344
"Dougaloid", to be more exact. It is from foreword to "New Dinosaurs". Pictures look very interesting - I see falanx, vortex and Stumpke's nasobeme.
As for your project, it would be interesting to watch. But remember, nature creates not like an engineer, making something new from zero, but like handicraftsman, trying to adapt old existing structures for new function. Have you read Stephen Baxter's Evolution? The 3rd part is about the decline of humankind, and there are interesting visions of the future (the D. Dixon's influence in seen). But he is not always scientifically accurate, especially in biogeography of fossil animals.

>>2293290
biology bro here. im into this.

please include a scenario where cephalopods fill the terrestrial niches left behind by humans post-sea level rise

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>>2297634
Of course, I've been reading up on evolutionary biology for this project. Also, are you talking about the part with the sapient dinosaurs in Antarctica?

>>2297652
No, about post-humans.

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>>2297659
Like the creature living in symbiosis with the tree?

>>2297670
It's too far future to be predicted exactly.

>>2297686
Would 150 mil be stretching it? No worries, tetrapodal life would still be here in my project

>>2297693
Are you going to do your project as a web site, or as a forum? What ideas are you going to develop?

>>2297769
Most likely forum, for some ideas and concept art.

>>2297840
I think the site with ready web-pages is better. In forum ideas are scattered among discussions and it is hard to be perceived as a whole.

>>2297859
And one more chapter of Neocene project is translated: "Deceitful flowers" - about relationships between plants, animals and fungi in rainforest canopy of Southeastern Asia.

>>2297864
Bump

>the future is wild

>>2298585
...And?

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>>2298603
He's probably just referring to how unrealistic some of the designs were (neo-terror birds, giant tortoises, fish-birds, and tree squids)

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Bump

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>>2298754
Of course, some ideas may look strange. As for me, I see many biological mistakes in "After Man...". And as for TFiW, deeper in future we are trying to look, harder to predict what groups of animals and plants will dominate. But, of course, some restrictions exist. For example, size restrictions for land arthropods, dependance of the size of insects from oxygen per cent in air, restrictions for water salinity for cephalopods. Yes, they hadn't conquer land in geological past, and it seems they will never do it in the future.

>>2293290
ruskie here
need help with translating stuff?

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>>2299227
But they could potentially dominate the seas again, yes?

>>2299269
Oh, I'd like to get some help with translating from Russian into English.

>>2299284
Interesting pictures. Is it a kind of manga? I hadn't seen some images, especially the bottom picture - it is clearly predatory species.

As for domination of arthropods, I think their biomechanic will be a restriction for their evolution. The vunerable phase of growth after moult will limit their maximal size - in fact, at this moment they have no skeleton. I see them only in niches of rather small organisms - not larger then Eurypterida (as I remember, about 3 meters long at the largest one). Cephalopods may re-evolve gristle-like inner skeleton - modern octopi have gristly "scull". I think it may appear something like "backbone" (dorsal? ventral? IDK) for the support of fins or tentacles.

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>>2299328
>Interesting pictures. Is it a kind of manga? I hadn't seen some images, especially the bottom picture - it is clearly predatory species.
Yes, it's from the TFiW manga they released a few years back. It's supposed to be several different species of silverswimmers (neotenous swimming arthropods). Also, I think that large one is meant to be a filter-feeder, like the mysticetids of today.

>As for domination of arthropods, I think their biomechanic will be a restriction for their evolution. The vunerable phase of growth after moult will limit their maximal size - in fact, at this moment they have no skeleton. I see them only in niches of rather small organisms - not larger then Eurypterida (as I remember, about 3 meters long at the largest one).
Could neoteny aid in their domination of the seas? I think the creatures depicted on the page are no larger than 3m, including the filter feeder.

>Cephalopods may re-evolve gristle-like inner skeleton - modern octopi have gristly "scull". I think it may appear something like "backbone" (dorsal? ventral? IDK) for the support of fins or tentacles.
So cephalopods could potentially dominate the seas? I think I have several books depicting such an idea, though both live at different time periods and were created by different people. I could post some pics if you want.

>>2297642
Sooooo, Squid Monkeys?

>>2299347
It would be quite interesting to watch this book (but I can't read Japanese).
As for cephalopods, Soviet specialist in these molluscs Kir Nesis (late now) proposed the main direction of their evolution is pelagisation - passing to pelagic way of life without need of firm substrate to lay eggs, for example.

>>2299607
Have you this manga to make a scan of complete volume for me?

>>2299607
>main direction of their evolution
thats not a thing

>>2299607
>As for cephalopods, Soviet specialist in these molluscs Kir Nesis (late now) proposed the main direction of their evolution is pelagisation - passing to pelagic way of life without need of firm substrate to lay eggs, for example.
So they could, in theory, become somewhat fishlike in appearance, and take on the niches of pelagic fish if the opportunity arises?

>>2299640
I have the manga, but I don't know how to scan. The page I posted was a muted photo.

I've had some ideas recently:
>Island turtles that have adapted to be active during colder times
They have black, wide, and flat shells that allow them to absorb as much sunlight as possible. They're somewhat large being 4 foot in width and 3.5 feet long. They also have ridges on them so they're able to carry their young on top of them to help them warm up in the sun also. Their claws are hook like and help them climb and cling to rocky areas on the island, and sometimes each other. At night they go to burrows made by other animals to keep warm, if they can fit. (Usually they'll have to dig for a wider entrance). They mostly feed on plant matter, while protein comes in the form of slow moving, ground dwelling insects.
I also had an idea for a climbing pygmy sea lion that does so to keep away from predators around steep rocky cliffs next to the ocean, but that maybe too farfeched.

>>2299650
Don't you know how to use scanner?

As for pelagization of cephalopods, it means they'll be ecological analogues of pelagic fishes, but not their anatomical copies. Their adaptations to pelagic life may look differently rather than at fishes.

Testing

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>>2299808
Not really, never learned.

>>2299813
So you could have squid-like creatures that have taken on the niche of diffent fish, but are merely tweaking their flexible bauplan in ways that would be consistent with a fish? (Similar adaptations as opposed to similar shapes)

>>2299893
In any case, I'd like to get a copy of this book. Also I have another request to everybody: can anybody scan or send a ready copy of these books:
"A field guide to little known and seldom seen birds of North America"
and
"Another Field Guide to Little-Known and Seldom-Seen Birds of North America"?
Sites where I had searched for these books only sell them or give dead or advertising links.
Of course, it's humor, not speculative biology, but I'd like to get these books to translate into Russian. I love such items on fictitional biology.

As for cephalopods, just try to think, what ecological niches modern fishes occupy. Of course, fishes are not going to die off completely, like creators of TFiW try to imagine. But just imagine, what ecological niches may be vunerable due to large-scale ecological accident. In my opinion these are niches of pelagic fishes, and also deepwater ones as depending completely on productivity of upper layers of water. So, we may imagine the oceans, where fishes are diverse as shallow water and bottom dwellers, and in open ocean ecological niches of top predators are occupied by squids and other pelagic cephalopods. Then, in oceanic depth we may see strange passive squids and octopi luring smaller prey with luminous baits. Fishes may settle in abyssal zone by moving down along continental slope. So deepwater fishes may be presented by descendants of benthic forms, and deepwater cephalopods would be descendants of pelagic forms.

>>2299949
But what about the anatomy? Niche filling is easy, I need some ideas on what forms they might take.

For the passive squid and octopi, I could imagine a more flattened flounder-like cephalopod using its chromatophores to camoflage itself, while creating vivid colors on one to two of its arms/tentacles to lure prey.

>>2299982
Tru to study the features of anatomy of cephalopod. It is needed because nature creates anything new only basing upon existing structures. Look at existing structures and think in what direction they may transform.
Maybe, tentacles may be shorter or longer, membrane between them may transform animal to pelagic soarer like jellyfish.
Then, fins and rudimentary gladius - the remain of shell. Maybe, they will transform to anything like sternum on bird's chest. And in will be a support for muscles attaching to it.

>>2299988
Could a filter-feeder work? I saw a rather odd design for one a while back, and I wondered if it was feasible or not.

>>2300006
So, try to think about the structures involved in feeding. I can't see any structures at present day cephalopods to transform into filtering device in the future.

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Any stuff about land crabs? Can they compete with insects to get bigger niches?

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>>2300836
Perhaps in large brackish swamplands like the "Bengal Swamp."

I am very interested in this project. Are there any new speculative shark forms? For example: former pelagic sharks moving further inland; or maybe some actual semi aquatic elasmobranch behaviors? Any new speculative sharks (and other elasmobranchs) would make for an interesting topic

>>2300946
What project do you mean? Neocene or any else?

>>2300946
Have elasmobranchs any pre-adaptations to terrestrial life? I think no. Maybe, any of them may evolve to freshwater forms, especially viviparous ones not needing a water of restricted hydrochemical parameters for egg development. Maybe, in larger rivers there will be true freshwater sharks - fish- and crab-eaters. Another interesting step of evolution would be an appearing of sharks in northern rivers of Siberia. But I can't define any modern shark as a possible ancestor of such one.

>>2301403
It has been documented that wobbegongs and epaulette sharks "walk" on their pectoral fins. In some cases, the former has been seen walking from tidepool to tidepool

>>2301251
I am reffering to Neocene

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>>2301403
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potamotrygonidae
Some of freshwater rays can develop shark-like fetures, like in sawfish. Probably will start hunting pelagic molluscs.
Still no idea how they can get in Siberia.

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Could echinoderms work? Along with the squids, could they take over some of the niches left by pelagic fish? Perhaps gigantic sea cucumbers taking the place of baleen whales and floating sea stars.

>>2301591
Echinoderms seem to be deeply adapted to benthic life. Of course, I know about the existance of pelagic sea cucumbers. But these creatures seem like "amateurs" compared to cephalopods and other mollusks. Even modern gastropods have more abilities to develop new pelagic habitat - just remember about pteropods. Sea lilies seem to be archaic and regressive group - their better days passed in past geological eras. It woild be interesting to imagine pelagic stalkless sea lily with reduced armour and elongated branchy arms, but I prefer to be a realist.

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>>2301981
Fair enough. Any thoughts on the flish? Not as part of the project, but in general.

>>2302037
Absolutely unreal. It myst have a very high level of metabolism to master the long active flight. Its physiology must be quite different, and because of it this "critter" must look differently. For example, it must have a different system of breathing instead of gills which can not provide its body with extra amount of oxygen. And it means at least its head must look quite different from fish head.
Then, if its tail fin is turned horizontally, it would be very interesting to watch a transitional form between fish and flish. If we assume that all these creatures in TFiW appeared due to natural evolution, it means these forms must exist in past.
This creature looks like a chimeric one made by a kind of mad scientist. To fly it must have stronger wing muscles and prominent sternum on chest. Do you see it? I don't. Just look at the characid fish carnegiella or Thoracocharax to imagine how MUST "flish" look.

If I'm not late in this thread, I've always thought what could mudskippers become. I have theorized that after the mass-exctintion of frogs from today's fungal parasites, mudskippers will slowly take over, and then some. I've imagined that some will stay close to marshes as they can easily access areas to lay eggs, while others are more adventurous and live in rainforests where streams and bromeliads can be the nurseries for their fry. In one case, there'll be gliding mudskippers, that climb trees using the fused pelvic fins that are a standard feature in mudskippers today, and enlarged pectoral fins as makeshift wings.

>>2302060
Here's from their wiki page:
The flish are a group of gadiforms from 200 Million AD that have taken flight to fill in the niche of the extinct birds.

A few species of bony fish did survive the mass extinction of 100 Million AD. When an important group of animals is almost wiped out, its descendants are free to evolve in the most unexpected ways and often bear little resemblance to their ancestors. In this case the surviving bony fish have mostly abandoned sea life altogether to take up another lifestyle - that of birds. These creatures are called flish.

The flying fish of the Cenozoic could jump and glide over the surface of the water. The flish of the Global Ocean and of Novopangea, 200 million AD, have developed true flight. Descended from the family Gadidae, a typical flish is about the size of a seagull. Its pectoral fins have evolved into wings. A muscular fin base, in the space once occupied by the gills, supports a broad aerodynamic wing surface that can flap up to eight times a second or faster.

The flish breathes air. As it spent more and more time above the surface of the water, its increasingly redundant swim bladder evolved to answer a more immediate requirement and developed into lungs. Like its relatives, the flish is cold-blooded, so it conserves body heat by means of hollow scales which insulate its wing muscles.

Flish made the final transition from swimming, water-bound creatures to highflying land-dwellers when they began nesting on land. They have evolved true flight and the ability to breathe air, casting off the last vestiges of their aquatic heritage. Many kinds return to the ocean only to hunt.

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How likely for modern saltwater crocodile (or similar form) to evolve intro future super-predator of oceans, filling the niche left by stuff like megalodon and predatory whales?

>>2293721
What about Spinks? I want a pet Spink.

>>2302081
So, why they still have back and anal fins like true fishes, and their legs seem to be not dapted to terrestrial life. Also, being adapted to life on land according this description, theiy still keep bones if operculum, as it is seen on the picture. They seem to be not adapted to life on land.
Then, cold-blooded flyers? I think the metabolism of cold-blooded animal is not enough to provide energy to active flight for a long time. It needs red meat (muscles) to fly high and for a long time.

>>2302184
I have sharkodile in Neocene bestiary - fully aquatic crocodile nesting in warm soil of volcanic islands of Tonga archipelago.

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>>2302308
>back and anal fins
Is there any real hinderance for having them?
>legs not adapted to terrestrial life
The ocean flish only use their legs as landing gear, they rarely ever walk, and the forest flish roost upside-down by using their hooked fin-feet
>theiy still keep bones if operculum
Most likely serve a different purpose, such as an ear, or aren't enough of a hinderance to be lost
>cold-blooded flyers?
Perhaps, through a fluke from the bottleneck, they have more lukewarm blood that is more affected by the environment.

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>>2302336

>>2302336
Flight needs some special features of breathing like air sacs at birds and pterosaurs. And their presence will be well appreciable in shape of flish. And here we see just a fish with added fin-like wings. If we'll do a menthal experiment and remove the mass of wing muscles, intestines, backbone and head, we'll see the resulted volume of lungs would appear too small to provide the body of actively flying creature with air. Just look at this deep and compressed from sides body of this creature. The volume of rib cage is too small for animal requiring lots of oxygen.

>>2302748
But how do we know its internal anatomy hasn't changed drastically from its ancestors?

>>2302078
Bromiliads will take a long time, it's hard to move from seawater to freshwater. with little incentive other than geographic weirdness like beingv trapped in a saltwater lake until rain made it frsh over thousands and thousands of years.

>>2302928
Usually internal changes take place side by side with external changes. But here we see rather unchanged fish with fin-wings attached.
Past of the life keeps key to the future. Just estimate the scale of changes had taken place in geological past and apply it to the future.

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>>2302956
>rather unchanged fish
My point is external differences =/= internal differences. The animal most likely has changed quite a bit in terms of internal anatomy, while leaving its ancestral bauplan intact. Saying it's an "unchanged fish with wings" is the same as saying a bat is a "unchanged mammal with wings."

I think this calls for a quote.
>According to all known laws of anatomy, there is no way a flish should not be able to fly. Its wings aren't enough to get its fat little body off the ground. The flish, of course, flies anyway because flish don't care what humans think is impossible.

>>2302930
Bony fishes can easily move from sea to fresh water. Not all, of course, but there are some examples. Mudskippers are related to gobies, and it would be quite reasonably to imagine freshwater forms of them. But I can't imagine their passing to the life in forest canopy and the chain of events and realistic intermedial forms between swamp- or river-dweller and the inhabitant offorest canopy. They must at least be able to move on land in greater degree than now. But in that case they would compete to real amphibians adapted to it much better.

>>2302968
So, are you sure flish is realistic one?

>>2302971
Perhaps the execution was the slightest bit off, but the concept seems sound enough.

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>>2302974
Perhaps DT's version of them was a bit better in terms of execution.

>>2302978
Are you sure they'll evolve? It is possible only in the case of absence of other flying creatures of their size class. Or they must overcompete certain other flyers. May all land-dwelling vertebrates vanish?
And again, I can't see the adaptations to intensive breath like increased volume of rib cage like at land-dwelling vertebrates.

And what is DT?

>>2302987
>absence of other flying creatures
Well, they did develop as a result of the demise of the birds, as well as all tetrapodal life
Dragonthunders. That project is meant to be an alternate universe where flish evolved during the Devonian and dominated the skies before anything else could.

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One problem that i see with flish is that the two groups - active, high-metabolism fish (tuna, for example) and air-breathing fish (labyrinth fish) are two different group.
The only suitable flish ancestor i can imagine is some sort of miniature tropical insect hunter. A convergent evolution of gourami, similar to hatchetfish.
Bonus - look up "climbing gouramis", they already have strong fin muscles.

>>2303766
According to manga pages, flish breeds on land. It means long evolutional way and passing first to land dwelling, and only then to flight. It seems impossible to keep so many fish features in this case. And underdeveloped extremities to move on land look nonsense feature.

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>>2303766
The companion book (not the manga) said they were most likely derived from cod.

>>2303806
It looks that way due to its dependence on the sea for food. It has these adaptations as they are advantageous to its lifestyle (catching silverswimmers via skimming the water). Just compare it to the forest flish (pic related).

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>>2303842
Here are the two compared (not to scale, as the forest flish is only 10cm while the ocean flish is roughly the size of a seagull).

>>2303842
>>2303806
Well, i`m not talking about that particular film, i want to know what modern fish will have the best chances to develop active flight, given the absence of competition.
And i think that they can`t be fully terrestrial, like birds - because they`ll look nothing like fishes in that case.

And cod - hell, why a BENTHIC fish would start to fly?

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>>2303934
Mass extinction of the fish. Cods and (lantern) sharks were some of the only ones left. The fish that went exinct were replaced.

>>2303940
Okay, that makes a bit more sense.
And it`s not like insects can replace the bigger flying fauna.
I wonder - is there a way to make flying squids (that still breed in sea) that is not completely retarded?

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>>2303947
Probably just work off of this, and adapt the design for what niches you want it to fill.

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>>2303940
Cod is slow-growing fish. And in human epoch at the population of 12 billion people commercial fishery may destroy this species and related ones. I'm still very sceptic relatively to the appearing of flish, but I think fishes of the future will be descendants of fast-growing smaller ones. For example, of guppy, mosquito fish, European perch, snakehead, and, of course, Amur sleeper ("rotan" in Russian, that means [large-]mouthed one). In my Neocene pelagic fishes are described worse than freshwater ones. Any ideas about possible ancestors of pelagic fishes of the future?
Picture attached: tiny transparent pelagic goby of Fourseas - brackish inland lake of Eurasia.

>>2304494
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_snakehead
A huge, predatory extremely survivable and invasive species.
Can`t tolerate salinity, though.
I can imagine some some cyprinidae fish to survive in the worst cataclysms and produce some pelagic forms, given time. Filter feeders, herbivores, predators. Isn`t very interesting, because it would be too similar to existing species.

>>2304517
I thonk cyprinids and snakeheads will feel good in fresh water. As for salt water, I think about drummers (Sciaenidae), scats (Scatophagidae), monos (Monodactylidae), milkfishes (Chanidae), tarpons (Megalopidae), beaked salmons (Gonorhynchidae).

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>>2304527
Any thoughts on the Toraton or Swampus?

>>2304597
How Toratons made their ribs free again?

>>2304640
Atavism, perhaps?

>>2304668
Dollo's rule of irreversability of evolution will help you and others.

>>2304668
Probably just simple separation to form a support structure.

>>2305531
"Simple separation"? Hmmm... Now genes determining the development of an organism are known rather good. The gene pool operating the early stages of development of an organism is quite conservative. The probability of this feature is rather small. I'd believe more in lizards developed mammal-like gait and posture.

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>>2305997
Small mutations+deep time+environmental pressures=massive changes.
Remember, this creature is the result of many small internal and external changes that have been occuring for around 100 million years.

>>2306060
And what about any physiological restrictions? For example, they have breath system specialized to functioning in hard shell. Do you think these changes are reversable?

>>2306086
Who said anything about reversing the process? I think it'd just have a system that superficially resembles its original respiratory system, but is in fact heavily derived.

>>2306175
And would its shell allow it to develop upright posture of legs? To reduce shell it must be large enough to be protected from predators. And to grow large it must have upright legs to support its body weight.

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Would something like this work to fill the niche of marine megafauna?http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2013/08/another-look-at-giant-sea-slug-sea-sea.html

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>>2306906
Don't you remember? The creature has no true predators, merely territorial creatures of the sea. As long as it stays out of the water it would be fine. This creature was pretty much safe throughout its transition from humble shambler to chelonian titan.

>>2300836
no the insects wlll never give up their nigger biches

>>2306941
Oh, I remember both film and book rather good. But I try to think not strictly about animals mentioned in TFiW, but in possible future world as a whole. So, in film/book fauna is poorly presented. Do you believe land of that region is inhabited exclusively by toratons (one species) or their ancestors? If adults have no predators, it doen't mean hatchlings are safe. So, the volume|shell area ratio is a limit for egg size, and it means even immense creature musdt lay small eggs. And small juveniles (about 5-6 kg) represent good prey for carnivorous land dwellers.
And in continental conditions the probability of total extinction of ALL land-dwelling predators is improbable. So, in any case predators will track tortoises, then pre-toratons, and then true toratons.

>>2307187
What types of land predators roam in swamps? Considering the mammals have been pretty much extinguished, that would only leave reptiles, birds, and invertebrates to pick up the slack. The only creatures that have ever been shown in any iteration of TFiW (aside from the main contributors the ecosystem) have either been some form of miscellaneous insect, bird, amphibian, or crustacean. Only animal I could see as a probable threat are the social stomatopods (>>2300845).

>>2307208
>would roam in those swamps?

>>2307208
At least, any kinds of squamates may do it. Or predatory giant tortoises.

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>>2307263
Perhaps large carnivorous turtles that prey upon the smaller herbivores, such as swamp-dwelling iguana descendants. Maybe have some strange adaptations to fit the spirit of the franchise, like a more sophisticated lure for the turtle and some form of defensive projectiles for the iguana. Would that work?

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>>2307291
This is what I meant by "defensive projectiles."

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>>2307292
Maybe give it a sail somewhat like this. (I'll keep the forelegs, though)

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>>2307299
Here's a rough prototype. I call it the Squamp (mix of squamate and swamp)

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>>2307348
And a size comparison for reference.

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>>2307350
Here's the turtle. I call it the Terrorpin

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>>2307370
And the size comparison.

>>2307373
bump

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>>2308223
FE, I have a question. Could the design/concept of the reef glider's fins be used for a future cuttlefish's fin? Seems somwhat plausible, given that the reef glider's fins are derived from a similar structure.

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>>2308283
Here's a rough sketch

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>>2308288
And a size comp

>>2308283
IMHO, the fin of cuttlefish may turn to some pairs of independently moving fin-like structures. But for the support the gristle-like "skeleton" must be developed. I think it would look like bird's sternum. This inner skeleton would be very useful for pelagic creature.

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>>2308310
So would the mantle become semi-solid, or would the cuttlebone grow? Also, do I need to tweak the general design, or is that fine?

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Here's another sketch.

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>>2308337
And the size comp.

>>2296380
Are they oviparous or ovoviviparous?

>>2308337
>>2308341
Oh no, buddy...I'm so sorry
http://speculativeevolution.wikia.com/wiki/Spec:_Balaenateuthia

>>2308361
Nah, these ain't baleen whale-analouges. They're manta bauplan-analogues. They catch food as they drift along. They sbap at it, rather than filtering it.

>>2308410
Should say manta-mimic, since it basically looks like a manta, but functions in a completely different way.
Also, would it be a stretch for this ecosystem to be set around 100-200 million years hence?

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>>2308415
Also, would this be a usable design?

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>>2308361

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>>2308310
Also, can nudibranchs be a part of this system, perhaps as coastal fish replacements? Not specifically reef gliders, but something similar.

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>>2308465
Scratch coastal fish. More like sardines and the like, just very low-ranking in the food net.

>>2293290
As earth gets warmer I believe the romerids or the reptillian grouping Lizards and snakes are under will dominate the planet since diapsids thrive well in warmer periods of earth history as we have seen with the dinosaurs.

The primates in Africa will go extinct completely in about 500,000 years because Africa will completely dry and become a continental desert due to the clashing of the plates further cutting off moisture from the Indian ocean. Around this time a new type of walking ape could occur.

If North America warms up, then the felines that live on it could mutate into things similar to savannah or jungle living pantherans.

Since Europe will dry up and become a grassfield then new megafauna are sure to live on it 2 million years from now.

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>>2308547
FE, could wading birds such as herons become flightless and fill the niche of semi-dominant predator in an environment like the Bengal Swamp?

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>>2308714
Also, in this proposed future environment, could it grow to the size of a large ratite, like a moa?

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>>2308716
Here's a rough sketch.

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>>2308723
And the size comp.

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>>2307348
>>2307350
Tweaked the design a bit.

>>2308714
I have such one in Neocene project.

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If they lose their flight I imagine the nostrils would move further up the head, their eyes would become more forward facing and the feathers would recede further back off the face - also my drawing came out a lot creepier than i had planned, i cant do cuddly apparently

>>2293290
Post a link?

>>2308786
Great picture, really! I think its bill would be heavier a little (not like at Phorusracus) to cope with fighting prey. This one's bill looks too thin to kill larger prey.
I'd love to see any of Neocene project animals illustrated this way.

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>>2308792
Damn, the site script thinks my link is a spam... How to post the link?
Anyway, google for "sivatherium" and "Neocene", or for "Blue chimera".

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>>2308799
Would it be considered plagarism to include the accurate Toraton in my project? I may try to create more diverse species, like your gannetwhales.

>>2308807
Oh, the edge is too thin... Having taken gannetwhales (and Dixonian glaciation) to my project, I had mentioned about it. I think it would be possible for you, if this one fits your ideas and if you'll mention the author of initial idea of the species. And it would be even better, if you know the author and he gives you a permission to use it. But it's an ideal situation, and our world is quite imperfect.
What kind of project would you like to make? Would it be a site, or just some pages of forum or so on?

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>>2308813
May create a site for this. Only problem is my drawing skills are severely lacking, as exemplified by half the sketches that were posted earlier.

The project will most likely occur some time between 80-120 myh, with a map that is somewhat similar to the one used in TFiW for 100 myh. Only difference is, the creatures that inhabit each of the main biomes will be heavily tweaked, and the many other biomes will be explored more in-depth. Pelagic fish have been replaced by cephalopods (primarily squid and cuttlefish, with octopi dominating what's left of the coral reefs in the shallow seas, where many forms of coastal fish still thrive), mammals are still very prevalent/diverse (primates, rodents, and some forms of carnivorans) but have taken minor roles in the ecosystems due to the hothouse environment, while birds and reptiles take center stage (such as large herons, seal-like squamps and bulky toratons).

>>2308825
And what about the oxygen level in atmosphere? Increased amount of oxygen may make invertebrates larger and insects would play any other roles in ecosystems.

>>2308830
Perhaps, in some instances, some forms of insect life have managed to take larger roles, such as the prey items of larger avian foes (a role-reversal of the falconfly-flutterbird relationship). Could that work?

>>2308836
Also, could it be possible that the predatory bird in question has adapted an "armored" head for protection from its prey's defenses? Not really armor, but more like scutes or keratinous structures that resemble an exoskeleton.

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May try to come up with some plausible designs for the new world monkeys that'll populate most of the American Archipelago (what's left of the Americas). Any ideas?

>>2309072
Might need some ideas for some of the African fauna as well.

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9000hrs in mspaint

55 million years hence, northern hemisphere frozen over. Uses armored, axe shaped head to ram through thick ice to surface for air and ambush prey walking on the ice.

>>2309128
This only works in a magical setting, seeing as an animal like that is impossible for way too many reasons.

>>2304000
>flying squid use jet propulsion
Step aside Coanda.

>>2308465
Looks like a Stegosaurus from the thumbnail.

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Aaand an African lizard. Reptilian equivalent of the rattleback, the hissfrill.

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Another sketch/doodle I did yesterday. It's meant to be a more plausible version of the swampus, derived from cuttlefish as opposed to octopi. Its makeshift legs are derived from its fins.

>>2307370
It wouldn't be able to eat large prey because the legs are too far apart and couldn't tear at anything. Also a long tongue lure on a turtle wouldn't work, as it'd be bitten off when they try to grab anything lured. Alligator snappers have a lure because it is short enough they can't actually bite it.

>>2308723
A heron would have very little reason to develop flightlessness if it looked like that. A bird that skinny could still probably manage to fly.

>>2309237
This is cool, but a cutlefish would have no way to evolve into an animal like that seeing as they'd have no way for their "legs" to support them like that, and especially no way to hold their tentacles straight out like that.

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>>2309242
May try to fix the design of the terrorpin, maybe just a short-necked predatory offshoot of >>2308807

May try to refine the heron design to make it a bit bulkier, like the hunting heron, just taller.

As for the cuttlefish, its fins function more like a mudskipper's (purely support for dragging), though the animal pulls itself along with the two longer paddle-like tentacles.
Also, what's wrong with the tentacles? Is it so crazy to think that such a bauplan could arise within 80-120 million years? Or are you referring to the modified fins located on its mantle?

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>>2309253
Here's the terrorpin redesign.

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>>2309230

>>2309128

Lol nice pic of your mom.

>>2309128

That shit can MAYBE exist as a filter-feeder (and only if there's a fuckton of plankton around).

Never as a predator. That shit would starve.

>>2309257
In any case, very heavy reptile must have a different posture of legs - columnar, like mammals have. Spread leg position is energetically unefficient, because in this case the force will spread not along bones, but across, and it will waste more efforts to keep its body above the ground.

>>2309841
But how could I accomplish this without losing the shell? Or does it even need a shell at this point?

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Here's some miscellaneous posthumans. May place them on that isolated island, away from the major ecosystems.

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>>2310232
Here's some size refs.

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>>2310233

>>2310233
People seem too specialized to bipedal body posture. That's why I think they wouldn't stand back on all four. So, I think the human foot would evolve further to be digitigrade, for example. Or it would develop an ability of branch seizing like at apes, but keeping the features of former anatomy characteristic for modern humans. And arboreal posthumans may develop brachiation like gibbons.

>>2310736
So for the larger quadrupedal posthumans, make them bipedal, and for the arboreal posthumans, make them more gibbon-like?

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>>2310840 was me, just to clarify.

>>2310736
Could some forms of amphibian, such as newts and frogs, possibly adapt to the new coastal/swampy environment of the American Archipelago via neoteny? Not something whale-sized, but around small-to-medium sized coastal fish.

>>2310840
I mentioned only some possible ways of evolytion. Of course, for arboreal posthumans slowly-moving orang- or Megaladapis-like forms are possible.
And as for bipedalforms, they may have long arms to hook and to bend branches like chalicotheres to browse leaves. And gorilla-like big-bellied forms (looking like reconstructed Paranthropus) are possible. Maybe, they'll have deep sculls to increase the surface of powerful jaw muscles needed for chewing. In this case adults of this species may have conic- or bullet-shaped sculls with wide lower part (large jaws) and tall tapering brain box.

>>2310845
Axolotl, siren and Branchiosaurus say "Yes, there are no inner restrictions for them to do it!".
But what does the fo... fish say?
The question is: would fishes allow them evolving in such direction? Would this evolutional step give amphibians any undoubtful advantages in struggle for existance?

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>>2310988
Those sound like some interesting ideas. May keep to smaller forms, though, due to them being situated on an isolated island known as Sheol.

>>2310992
Well, there appear to be many shallow areas around the Archipelago, so perhaps, in the abscence of larger fish and marine mammals, some amphibians could transition to the sea within a relatively short timeframe.

>>2311023
But you must remember, fishes will occupy these habitats much faster than amphibians. So your amphibians must compete to them.

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>>2311278
How did the smaller cetaceans manage to do it? Was there some neglected niche that was exploited, or was a new niche created?

>>2311284 was me.

>>2311284
They filled the niches of top predators (at first, at least), and this niche often becomes empty. They managed to do it in Eocene, when niches of top predators remained empty after the extinction of giant marine reptiles. And only later they turned to plankton-eaters standing on lower level of food pyramide.
And in case of amphibians they will stand on lower levels of food pyramid. And here the compatition and pressing of predators are more intense.

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>>2311816
Would freshwater environments (eg. a large lake of some sort) be a better place for them to start, and as some pieces of the Americas began to sink, they moved out and diversified in the new shallow seas?

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Another idea for a baleen whale-analogue. Most likely somewhat larger than an orca, but smaller than a blue whale. Feeds with a pouch made of membrane that forms between the tentacles.

>>2309128

What modern ancestors would that thing have?

>>2313528
Let's male a better bump: new chapter of Neocene project is translated - "Life at the world's end", about the inhabitants of Antarctic meadows.

Damn, how to post links? The dumb system thinks my post is a spam. System thinks... yeah, it thinks...

>the last dinosaur dominated ecosystem that will ever exist died out only 700 years ago
But then I thought, maybe there is hope for Antarctica?
What will happen to Antarctica? Which animals will dominate the land?
I'm imagining it'll be either seals, or birds. But I don't know much about stuff like this. What will happen?

>>2314486
In Stephen Baxter's "Evolution" there is one part describing the vanished ecosystem including relic Cenozoic dinosaurs - polar Allosaurus, raptors, mutta (ornithopod), and in addition - giant amphibians, egg-laying mammals and relic primitive primates.

>>2314505
But none of those will come back. I was wondering if there is hope that Antarctica will house a real dinosaur ecosystem in the future, when the continent travels more north.

Sharknados.

One word.

Sharknados.

>>2314507
Hmmm... Where would we find some dinosaurs today to breed them and to introduce them into Antarctica in far, very far future?

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>>2314527
Perhaps heavily modified birds would work best for his project. I'd go with Galliforms and Dromaiids as the most likely, due to Horner's little pet project. Of course, those would just be theropod-mimics rather than true "dinosaurs" in that sense.

>>2314533
Of course, these would be not dinosaurs.
In Russian language there is an idiom: "to share skin of non-killed bear" - it means to speak about non-done things. I'd love to discuss it only after the successful making of "bird-o-saur" in laboratory, at least. In other case it would be a sci-fi only.

>>2314541
Or, more aptly: "Don't count your chickens before they've hatched."

>>2314597
"[People] count chickens in autumn" (Russian)

People, tell me how to post links here?

>>2314880
Bump

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>>2315480
You talking about sivatherium? Because if so, you can't. Other sites can, just copy and paste hw link.

Also, found this.
http://www.vanguardfilms.com/afterman/

>>2315637
Yes, it's my site. Why can't I paste link to it? Any restrictions?

What did this studio want to do? To make a film based upon D.D.'s book?

>>2315699
Probably some of their programming doesn't allow for sites from certain countries/nations. Might've had a lot of spam from a .ru address in the past.

Vanguard probably did want to, but I think there was some disagreement with Dreamworks, or something like that. That's also the same studio that's supposed to be helping with the new TFiW movie/series.
http://www.thefutureiswild.com/shrek-producer-creates-adventure-series-based-on-the-future-is-wild/

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>>2315734
Also, someone from the forums made this after hearing the news.

>>2315735
Hey, people, where are you?
I repeat my кyйгyыe about these books:

A Field Guide to Little-Known and Seldom-Seen Birds of North America

Another Field Guide to Little Known and Seldom Seen Birds of North America

I can't load these books from online libraries - maybe, there are restrictions for visitors from Russia. Can anybody share copies of these books?

>>2317133
* repeat my request

(it's an automatic language switcher for keyboard)

>>2312196

Sperm whales maybe?

Why does the creator of TFIW hate vertebrates so much?

>>2317578
Why do you think so? But, of course, some of their ideas look inaccurate in details.

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Would this work? It's meant to be a sea-dwelling semi-sapient octopus descendant, where one pair of tentacles have become "legs," another have become a sort of balance for it (not unlike a tail), while the other four pairs have become specialised "arms." Bear in mind, the fingers and toes are derived from suction cups.

>>2317757
Well, for starters he gave all the non-perciform vertebrates a deadline less than 200 My if i remember correctly

>>2317940
Why would it deny the more comfortable swimming lifestyle? Walking animal is restricted with horizontal plane only, and swimmer may live in 3-dimensional world and have larger lifespace for the same number of population compared to benthic walker like yours one.

>>2318579
Hasn't lost its swimming habits entirely, as it can still have bursts of speed. It's more of a mudskipper-like animal, often swapping between walking and swimming. Also, they live within the coastal areas, around the more desolate areas that haven't been occupied by either reefs or kelp forests. And they live in colonies of about 15-20 individuals at a time, and build primitive "nests" out of chunks of coral and rock.

Google Sivatherium to find OP's website

>>2318892
What chapter would you like to see translated into English? I don't promise to do it immediately, but would do it the next, in proper time.

>>2319312
bump

>>2319312

Since you asked so nicely

World at the edge of non-existence, Lords of the abyss (it'll be interesting to see what deep sea lifeforms evolve into) Caribbean ark and Bird island (islands are always interesting)

>>2320514
Ok, I see what do you want to read. So, I added these parts to the list of further works. Now the next part is not from this list, but then, in proper time, I'll translate parts from this list.
Of course, there are some large parts dedicated to island life. For example, there is a part about Chatham archipelago, and some Hawaiian parts also. But these parts are very long and take about 4 weeks of hard work to be translated.

Hmmm... Aaaaa... Bump!

https://vimeo.com/140929174

Maybe you should've posted this thread on /tg/ (or /trash/ if you're crazy)

>>2321375
tg - games? So, speculative biology is something like a game. But the nature determines the rules of this game - laws and principles of evolution.
Why do you think it is a kind of trash? IMHO, it is a great exercise in checking of the knowledge of evolution theory.
And video looks great, but seems unnatural in some details. As I see, it is made in 1996. Now the art of digital animation shows better results. of course.

>>2321390

/tg/ could use creatures from speculative evolution in their games (like Dungeons and Dragons and Warhammer) /trash/ can have any type of thread (and that's a bad thing)

I know it's only 25my in your scenario, but what do you think holds for cephalopods? Do you think they'll colonize the land?

>>2321863
Physiology prevents their land colonization. They depend on constant salinity of water, and, as I remember, they are unable to keep salts in their organism. Soin abscense of salt in their environment they just will die due to changes of chemistry of their blood and tissues.
So, look to their evolution from Cambrian to novadays. They had never developed freshwater habitats. So, IMHO it means they have certain internal barriers preventing their evolution in such direction.

>>2320514
And now you may see some of my madskillz of translator again. Look the English page of the project for the freshly translated chapter:
"Delicate dragons of Antarctica" - about insects and some other inhabitants of the continent.

>>2322127

Not bad, thanks

>>2322332
Glad to see it. I hope my skills in translation had made this text understandable.
I'm going to translate any chapter from ones listed above, but not right now. In proper time.

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>>2322631
Why did pictures disappear?

>>2322876
bump

Here's an animal idea

>A descendent of Camels that lived in North American Zoos
>They have a shaggier coat to deal with the harsh winters

>>2324147
Are there any feral populations of camels in NA? If so, they just return to native lands of their far ancestors. I think it is possible in case of existing of successful population able to self-mantaining in wild.

>>2324417
As for survival of domestic animals, I think only primitive breeds may survive in case of human extinction in the future and evolve into other forms. For the most part of cattle breeds survival seems impossible because of their unability to live in the wild without human care. And perspective varieties of cattle will disappear in first millenia after the crisis exterminated by declining humankind. The largest survivig animals would be goat- or boar- sized animals, or, maybe, camel-sized ones (in Australia).
Any suggestions?

>>2325032
unless humans go instantly extinct nothing is going to survive. People are going to hunt every single medium-large animal to extinction just to feed themselves, and it'll happen in a matter of months, not years.

there isn't enough meat in the wild to feed people for a month if it was equally distributed. Society collapses and all largish animals will be gone. Cats and dogs too.

>>2325043
I think cats will survive. They turn feral easily, and depend on smaller animals as a food. Camels in Australia may be saved due to life in extremal conditions of deserts. And goats would survive due to life in mountains, being hard to be hunted. In my Neocene there are no descendants of cattle and Eurasian deer and elks (except for skewhorns - reindeer descendants from non-translated parts of the project).

https://mega.nz/#!gM0XHDYJ!wFYZDPL3EUFRqEMr9wQqJk1HhnQv-JsO0rrM9bk7OP8

Maybe you could put this on your website

>>2326026
>https://mega.nz/#!gM0XHDYJ!wFYZDPL3EUFRqEMr9wQqJk1HhnQv-JsO0rrM9bk7OP8
Oh, I have it, but thank you, of course. I even had translated it into Russian (in my site library there is complete Russian translation of this book). In Russia link to this book is in one group of social net I visit sometimes (Xenobiology and futurobiology).
As for me personally, I'd love to get copies of books about rarely seen birds I mentioned above.

>>2326383

A Field Guide to Little-Known and Seldom-Seen Birds of North America look awesome

>>2325059
starving people will eat them all.

what part of that did you miss?

>>2326625
Smaller animals would survive anyway. And in the future their descendants may form even megafauna. Just give them some time after human extinction. Even at the end of Paleocene larger mammals evolved.
My fav example is Perunium ursogulo - large ground-dwelling bear-sized mustelid that shows the abilities of smaller mammals to turn large.

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>>2326718
Bump, first of all.
Pic related shows Aepigallus - large descendant of feral chickens inhabiting Mauritius island in Neocene.

>>2326616
So, can you send a copy of this book?

None of the images in this thread are loading for me, what's going on?

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>>2329120
Some of my images also had disappeared. Maybe, technical problems?

>>2328824

I don't have a copy, I just said it looks awesome

May I suggest using Amazon to buy it?

https://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Little-Seldom-America/dp/1561457280

Amazon Prime has it and they should be able to ship it to Russia

>>2329120
>>2329172
It's some sort of glitch, I've been seeing it on other boards too. Basically, any thread made within a certain period of time has all their images mysteriously 404'd, but threads made before or after that period are fine. Saw a bunch of those on /wg/, but they've all been archived naturally by now. /an/ is just such a slow board that not all of those weird threads are gone yet.

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>>2329861
Oh, it's traditional Russian love to obtaining anything by free downloading. Yes, I love it too. That's why I ask. Ok if you don't have it, but what if any generous person has? If anybody shares files for free, he would not get poor, but others may get anything they wanted. And what about editors etc? The book is sold, they had got their money and are glad now.
And next, books are made of paper, and paper is made of trees. Book is downloaded - tree is saved. I think it's good.
>>2329903
So, we just will load any new pictures.

>>2330454

Even If I did have it, I don't have a scanner

>>2330583
Maybe, anybody else has these books?
And, of course, "bump!"

I ordered the second edition of Lesser Known Birds and it should come next week, but I don't have a scanner

>>2332308
Maybe, you have a friend having scanner?

>>2317940
Wew

>>2325043
Its not like all form of government will collapse. There will be remnants of science and civilization keeping things going in isolated areas. Until the wastelanders get their hands in nukes.

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>>2332594
Science, culture and civilization itself must have sources of materials, people and information to develop further. And modern society is too dependant on technical equipment. Just try to survive for some years without computer, communications, electricity, modern medicine. In Russia in Siberia there are colonies of old-believers, old Ritualists. They live exactly this way and are separated from other human settlements by many miles of taiga forest. But these colonies are not numerous and still dependent on productivity of envoronment. But imagine the forest lack of animals larger than a goat. In such conditions people will make too many efforts to gather their daily ration and to store some for winter.
So, I think the remnant colonies of people will exist not for long time in such conditions, and they will perish of hunger, diseases and rigorous conditions.

>>2325043
>People are going to hunt every single medium-large animal to extinction just to feed themselves, and it'll happen in a matter of months, not years.
have you ever left a city? that's so absurdly stupid I don't know how you can think it

>>2332485

I was mistaken, I do have a scanner, so there's a good chance I'll upload it to MEGA.nz

>>2332801
Oh, wow. Can you scan it in color at 300 dpi? I'm really curious to see what is this book about. And, of course, 1st book also.

>>2332920

I'm not really sure

>>2332920
It's a little rude to keep pestering people to scan stuff for you.

>>2333063
If he would refuse, it would be ok for me. Relax and keep calm.

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>>2333068
bump

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Bump

I just ordered Another Field Guide to Little-Known and Seldom-Seen Birds of North America and it should come within the next two months (same with the 2nd edition of a Field Guide to Little Known and Seldom Seen Birds of North America)

If I successfully scan them, I'll put them on Mega (and possibly story time them here)

>>2335880
Oh, it's great! Once I had translated the book about Rhinogradentias into Russian (and then some short articles about them from Russian into English). These books also represent a great example of zoological jokes. It would be interesting to read and even to translate these ones.
So, sooner or later I'll begin translating of any part of my project from among ones mentioned above. Now I'm busy a little with the translation of one book into Russian. Some more weeks of hard work, and it will be ready.

Has anybody any thoughts about the future of reef-building organisms in the future? If corals have not the best time now, their extinction in near geological future is probable. But what groups of organisms may replace them?

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>>2337978
bump

I got the 2nd edition of a Field Guide to Little Known and Seldom Seen Birds of North America, if I can get my scanner up and running, I might upload it in a week or 2

>>2341294
Oh, good news! It would be great to see this book. Biological jokes are close to speculative biology. And do you know Leo Lionni's "Parallel Botany"?