hypothetically, if a breeding program only selected the smartest

I really want to do this

Just breed the smartest dogs with the smartest dogs and become their God

>>2289388
It will become more like owning an exotic animal and no one would be able to handle it.

Op i imagine you have enough trouble staying ahead of your current dogger.

Perhaps, eventually. But it would require constant supply of ever more smart doggo mutants.

>>2289388
would take forever (you would need to start with a huge pool to begin with), be fairly difficult, and would most likely result in crazy, mischievous dogs, not sophisticated or anything like that

>>2289413

True. There's a balance you want to hit with working dogs between intelligence and easy trainability. Very high intelligence would make for a dog that knows what you're trying to teach it but also knows it doesn't have have to do anything you say if it doesn't wanna. Same dog would also get bored very quickly without constant stimulation (think parrots).

File: 64.jpg (348KB, 1440x900px) Image search: [Google]

348KB, 1440x900px

>>2289472
yes but i'm not talking about a trainable dog, i'm talking about a genius, as-human-as-possible dog. A dog that understands words, that can somehow communicate on human terms (sign language or something similar) and that is able to grasp concepts like an african grey or a monkey. it would be cool

>>2289474
You aren't considering the morales of that situation anon. It's bad enough we have animal abuse, but what happens when one of those dogs ends upin the wrong hands and murders their owner because they were being abused? Has to be put down. Then, not only is it a shit situation that a dog has to be put down, but now it's a dog with the mind of toddler. I for one don't even want to go into that grey area.

You could breed more intelligent dogs, but it would be a long and tedious process with a lot of testing, and the problem is making the jump from a dog that is really good at passing tests to a dog that is suddenly able to understand hypothetical situations and abstract concepts and use language, which takes years of development and has entire specialised regions in human brains. Human intelligence is a very particular specialisation and strongly linked to the fact we have language and develop some of our cognitive skills over 2+ decades of brain development. It's making a massive jump sideways in terms of what the canine brain has developed for, plus dogs reach adulthood far sooner and have much shorter lifespans than humans.

I mean, think about trying to breed a human that has a bloodhound's sense of smell. You could breed humans with a better sense of smell, but they're not going to be anywhere close to a bloodhound any time over the next few centuries unless you're lucky enough to find random mutants with the exact trait you want, and there would likely be trade-offs to deal with. It's such a massive overhaul to rewire one animal with the mind of another, and there's no guarantees it would work even over thousands of years with a massive gene pool to pull from.

>>2289474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piRIIvCjuKs

I would like to point out that wolves (and wild canines) are more intelligent than domesticated dogs.
not sure what to do with that, though. but if you wanted supersmart canines, I'd make more sense to start with grey wolves or something like that

>>2289388

How are you defining intelligence?

A Livestock Guardian is perceptive and independent but not biddable.

Herding breeds like GSD and Malinois are biddable and easily trained but left to their own devices to guard something I would prefer a proffesional at the job like a Mastiff or Livestock Guardian Breed