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Removing a dogs canines for "Saftey"

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Hello /an/ I was wondering what you thought about me having my dogs canine teeth removed.

I have had dogs my whole life and have had my German Shepherd since High School. Recently, my fiancée and I had our first child and she feels really uncomfortable about having my dog anywhere near the baby.
She told me that she either wants me to get rid of her all together or to have my dogs canine teeth surgically removed so her bite wouldn't be as bad.
I have no intentions of getting rid of my dog and she has never bitten anyone. the thought of having to preform surgery incase of something that would never happen is troubling to me. But I want my fiancée to have peace of mind.

Tldr; I may have to have my dogs canines surgically removed. What's the harm in this?
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Its fine.
(if you want a disfigured dog)
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Just keep the dog away from the baby, or very closely supervise all interactions. Assuming you can read dog body language and respond quickly, everything will be just fine. People with dogs have children all the time.
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>>2182048
Didn't know this was a thing.
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>>2182048
So you have the choice of keeping someone who loves you unconditionally or keeping someone who doesn't give a fuck about anyone's feelings but their own? Doesn't seem like much of a choice to me.
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If a dog really wanted to rip a baby apart, the removal of canines would have minimal effect. She's being paranoid and you're being soft, leave the dog in one piece and it should be fine if it's trained properly (and you'll be supervising babby at all times anyway, so nothing bad will happen).
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>>2182056
OP here. YEah you would think that, except I in no way would leave my fiancée and 2 week old child because my wife doesn't feel our baby is safe. I may have to end up doing it so that she has peace of mind. Messed up part is I'v had my dog for 6 years and shes never even growled at someone before unless she thought they were hurting me (one time me and my friend were wrestling and she ran up and joined trying to help me). I don't think my dog would do anything other than protect our kid. I feel like Im letting my pupper down in a way but what can you do?
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>>2182062
>but what can you do?
Tell her to fucking deal with it. She's being stupid for even making this a problem. It's not like she'll do anything but pout for a couple days when you tell her you don't want to ruin your dog's life. Source: being married for ten years. Stop being a little bitch and stand your ground.
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>>2182048
If you were not in america, no vet would do that. Try to stand your ground and talk to your fiance. I'm sure you will come to an understanding. I myself grew up with a german shepherd and a st. bernard, same as all the other households that have children and dogs.

Her suggesting doing that to a your dog seems very cruel and comes from a position of misguided will to protect your child. Which is understandable, but as I said, misguided,

If you respect her, you will keep your dog as is, and don't give into her impulsive suggestions.
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>hurr durr you gonna ruin it's life!

Your just making your wife feel safer. And after nothing bad happens if you get a new dog she won't have it get them removed again
your dog will be fine without them OP.
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My wife says it isn't safe for people to be around my baby if they have arms, so we had everyone in a 500 mile radius to get their arms removed. Now no-one can choke my baby.
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I don't se the problem with going through with it OP other than I bet it costs a fucking lot
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>>2182065
/Thread/
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>>2182080
Despite it being utterly pointless, and only guaranteed to give the dog an uncomfortable remainder of its life?
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>>2182071
Not the same thing. Dogs are much more prone to harm because biting individuals they perceive add a threat is an instinct for them.

mockery: an absurd misrepresentation or imitation of something.
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>>2182091
A better analogy would be to remove the fingernails of everyone who might potentially hurt a baby with their arms - it'll stop scratching but not punching etc., so why bother. The only thing that would work is replacing doggo's teeth with strips of rubber, or just stitching it's mouth shut so it has to drink smoothies.
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>>2182094
Let's not be drastic.
What about wearing gloves?
The dog equivalent would be wearing a muzzle.
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>>2182062
You are letting your pupper down. You're also spending money on something that will only make your pupper feel bad and you feel guilty. People can have babies and dogs, that's still a thing, your wife should go focus on something else.
>>2182065
This.
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>>2182048
Uh, you do know that with all the other teeth and how strong their jaws are, they could still absolutely kill an infant, right? Canines are nice and all to go through the meat, but he could just as well grab and shake to kill, without just biting the neck off or something.
Are you going to take off all your dog's teeth and make him wear a muzzle at all times next? Or hey, you could be a model owner and just tie it in the backyard forever! Don't forget to feed it your balls too.
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>>2182106
This a thousand times.
Your dog still has a whole bunch of other teeth and you're a pushover whipped pussy, OP.
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>>2182048
It seems pointless and your wife might be crazy.
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You've had the dog for 6 years, but how long have you known your fiance?

Presumably at least a few years, unless it's going to be a shotgun marriage because you knocked her up.

Anyway, it should have been long enough for her to know your dog and for you to know if she's really such a fickle, selfish person.

It's likely just hormonal nerves and shit from just having had a baby. Explain to her that you don't want to do anything drastic and remind her that the dog has never been aggressive, TELL her that you'll keep the dog and baby separated for the time being.
She'll probably calm down and forget the whole thing when she realizes that newborns shouldn't eat yoghurt.


>Hell, my boyfriends' sister wouldn't let her two miniature poodle lapdogs inside the house when her first baby was born. Was adamant that they not go ANYWHERE near the baby.
>Within a month they were climbing all over it because she realized it was dumb and that the baby will not break on contact.
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Sure, have the dogs canines taken out but then You and the Wife will also have to go through the procedure.

Rub that in and make her try and actually understand exactly what she is saying.

Heck worst case scenario the 3 of You actually lose the Canines.

Woman change after the first child, but in most cases the first child becomes the victim of an Over protective mother.
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bait
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>>2182048

go get your balls removed while you're at it
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>>2182110
This. Women's hormones are super unstable after having a baby. My wife wouldn't letANYONE be alone with our baby for the first couple of months. Stall. Personally, I'm glad my wife was/is so protective over our kid. Of course, their fears can be irrational sometimes (mine begged me to bolt the window shut in our child's room so no one could break in and kidnap her). I can tell you want to make her happy so try stalling. It might take a couple months for the hormones to level out. Mine actually brought a German Shepard home about a month into the pregnancy for extra protection for baby. Between mom, Shepard, and pit, I think the kid is pretty safe.
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It is natural to kill the alpha and take his place.
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She's nesting and guarding her baby. There are other issues there.
Also >>2182115
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>17 posters
>27 replies

Most people are same fagging you advice they don't mean, OP. Your wife sounds insane. If your dog was aggressive then yes. It would be understandable she is at least worried but this is some crazy controling shit. And you just had a baby too.

Good luck on the enviable divorce. Hopefully it's just all the hormone shit and first time parents freaking out over everything. It takes awhile for them to learn the odds of their child combusting is low.
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>>2182048
you really think a dog can't kill a baby without it's canines?

Also, you are full of shit if you really think about this, disgusting dip
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>>2182124
>17 posters
>27 replies
How do you know this tell me your secrets
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>>2182168
Bottom right of the screen, there's four lots of numbers. Hover over them.
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Tell her you'll remove the canine teeth if you can remove her tongue. No bites from the dog and no more talking from your cunt wife.
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surgery doesn't make sense. it will not fix anything, because nothing is broken except your wife's good judgement. dogs love babies. if your dog is gentle and tame, and sees you and your wife being affectionate with a tiny gross human, she will understand it is her loving master's child and protect it. german shepherds are a far cry from a wild baby-eating dingo or whatever your dipshit wife is imagining.

humans and canines have raised their young together for thousands of years, I mean come on lol. your wife a shit. she'll get over it. just ban the dog from the nursery if she's that worried, I assume the child will be supervised the rest of the time

ask her if she'd rather pay $$$$ for unnecessary canine dental surgery + medication + recovery costs, or if she'd rather have some new stuff for the child. I mean I hope you've realized by now that babies are expensive as fuck these days. maybe you're still waiting for the hospital bill from the birth and natal care
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Tell your Fiance shes a fucking retard.
If your dog wants to severely bite your child it will do so canine teeth or no.

Heres what you do, put the foot down and tell her to fuck off.
Introduce your baby to your dog as soon as possible, reward the dog for being gentle.
If your dog is gentle and trustworthy then she will not bite your child.

Being uncomfortable with your dog around the baby or scolding it will make your dog dislike or become jealous of the baby making the likelihood of it biting more likely.


So heres what you do OP
>Tell cunt to shut the fuck up
>Introduce baby and dog while rewarding dog for being gentle
>As baby gets older, teach the baby to be gentle with dog such as no pulling or hitting
>Supervise dog and child's play time
Dogs and Children are liked mashed potatoes and gravy, they just go together.
If you do it right the dog will have a best friend for the rest of it life and will protect your child from harm.

TDLR: Your Fiance is a dumb cunt.
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>>2182048

you tell your ball and chain to stop being a frightened little girl about it.
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Since this is a babies with dogs thread, how bad of an idea is it to hook a dog-pulled baby chariot/cart up? As long as the dog is well-trained working breed and on a leash, would the baby be in any real danger?
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Dogs shouldn't be left with babies alone anyway, taking the canines away is pointless.
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>>2182124
It's not crazy shit. It's hormones + a very strong instinct all female mammals have - to protect their offspring. You're exaggerating. She'll probably be over it in a few weeks after she calms down. Doggo should wear a muzzle or not go near the baby at all. Problem solved, no teeth removed.
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>>2182271
So instead of assimilating being praised and getting treats for being calm around the baby, the dog will assimilate the muzzle to the baby. Great.
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>>2182271
>Doggo should wear a muzzle or not go near the baby at all.
This is retarded, this will only instill negative feelings within the dog towards the baby.

Supervised interaction and rewards for being gentle is the way to go.
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>>2182048
Just remove all teeth and blend his food with a little water. Dogs don't mind
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>>2182048
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I'd just mention if what if your baby grows up and bites another kid? Or gets into a fight and beats a kid up? What if he's just a whiny baby who cries at all hours? Would she remove his teeth, nails, or voicebox?
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I'm probably a lot younger than you, OP so take what I say with a grain of salt, but if you are going to give in to something big and illogical like removing your dogs canines just to give your fiance peace of mind, this may be the start of a trend in your relationship that could lead to a larger problem. I don't know you or your fiance so it's not in my right to make such a judgment, but I have seen very similar events lead to a divorce or an unhappy relationship. Ask yourself how much you really care about this and act accordingly. Don't be a pushover but don't be a stubborn ass either
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1-I wouldn't let that dog even be in the same room with the baby until it is AT LEAST. a few months old

2-NEVER leave ANY child alone with a dog, and especially do not let the baby within arms reach of it until the kid is a few years old and you start teaching it not to hug/pull tail/ears/mess with it's face.

Kids get roudy, and unfortunately that dog will not see the child as a parental figure, but a sibling figure, so it's going to treat it like one.

3-reassure your wife man. She just had your child, and this is perfectly normal for her to be this over protective. It's your job to step up, help her, and reassure her. Then keep following through with it.

Also keep in mind that just like a person, you can never REALLY predict what a dog is going to do. Just use your common sense and keep your baby out of situations where harm could come to it.
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>>2182048
Your fiancée is a fucking retard, and so are you for even entertaining her retarded request.
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>>2182278
A dog should never be afraid or stressed when wearing a muzzle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7skDA82lvw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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>>2182062
I had my baby with my German Shepherd around and never had the slightest problem. That's fucking retarded, OP.

I understand your fiancee's suffering from all sorts of postnatal mental issues, most women do. But it's YOUR responsibility to be the rational, responsible one here and prevent both of you from doing something you'll later regret. Quit being pussy-whipped.
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>>2182048
go cut your own teeth off, maybe your balls too.

get rid of your dog if you have a human baby. the dog did nothing wrong, it doesn't deserve to get mutilated. if it attacks your baby, it's your fault for being too emotional to see that it's an animal
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>>2182062
it's your fault for not having this discussion with your wife six years ago.

first date discussions: politics, animals, religion.

what did you discuss for six years? MTV ?
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Dogs need and use their canine teeth for a number of purposes.

Surgery to remove healthy teeth is a pretty big deal, because the root of a healthy tooth is enormous. For example, my dog broke his two front incisors on the top and had to have them extracted because they would constantly be a pain and were an infection risk. The vet gave them to me.

The roots of the tooth are enormous, and they leave gaping wounds that take weeks to heal. My dog was on dog food wetting down and then blended into a fine much for two weeks.

And this was necessary surgery on two minor teeth. The canine teeth are very large important teeth, so you're talking about a root system that might extend an inch or more above the gum line. When my other dog broke a canine, we had a rushed referral and took him to a specialist veterinary hospital to have the tooth crowned, because the impact of losing the tooth on quality of life was significant enough to spend $1200 on getting it fixed.

It's fucking brutal.

If the dog has a good temperament, but your partner is still worried, then just put up baby gates to keep the dog contained in a safe area where the baby will not be. Like, literally. Just keep them separate. It's not that hard.
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>>2182412
Didn't add, but want to. The bite force of a German Shepherd per inch is enormous, and while some of it is concentrated in the canine teeth, a good portion is in the back of the mouth, too. To make the dog really safe, you'd need to snip her jaw muscles.

If the partner is so worried that she's not even prepared to have separation and controlled introductions, then maybe look into bite guards.
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>>2182413
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>>2182414
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Just don't get a shitty dog breed and you'll be fine.
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>>2182428
>Just don't get a shitty dog breed and you'll be fine.
Only a shit parent would leave an infant unattended with ANY breed of dog.
You may trust your dog, you may be willing to take the risk, but fact is that you cannot say without a doubt that nothing bad will happen. The animal still has free will and a mouthful of teeth and claws.
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>>2182437
>free will
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This thread is so utterly american, holy shit. How can people even consider this, why is it even a thing.
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>>2182452
Dunno how they consider it. I just popped in to say how invasive dental surgery is on healthy teeth.

We wouldn't do that sort of thing here.
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>>2182452
so fuckin much this

I have never heard of declawing cats or removing canines on dogs other that from the US

The fuck is wrong with these dumb people
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>>2182452
Yeah, to me as european, this shit is bizarre aswell. Declawing cats, removing dog's canines, cutting off the pinchers of crayfish so people can put them together with fish, throwing goldfish in bowls...

As if some would force nature to bend to their will without having any respect for it.

People like that should reconsider their approach. I'm not even a peta fag, but the miseducation amongst many americans seems hella strong in terms of pets.

I know full well that there are many americans here that treat their pets properly instead of just 'owning them' so not all hope is lost and I still optimistic, that leadinh with a positive example can help.
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>>2182457
Don't forget circumcision
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>>2182048
Fuck you.
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>>2182456
This s the first time I have heard people actually remove dog teeth.
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>>2182456
>>2182457
I'm in America and I've never heard of this shit either. I still blame OP's crazy nesting wife.
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>>2182171
>>2182171
Don't see them...
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>>2182048
Give that dog to someone that will love her and won't maim her.
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>>2182048
you should have your fiancé removed instead.
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>>2182048
I had no idea that was even legal, even if it is, it's cruel and pointless. With or without canines, a large dog could easily kill a baby if it so desired. Don't put your dog through that, it would be kinder to find them a new home if your fianceé can't deal with them.

It really does sound like she's paranoid due to general post-natal hormone fuck upedness. I have seen new mothers do insane shit. Tell her that you will not put your dog through that (and that it wouldn't prevent anything except maybe your dog's ability to eat anything not soft and squishy) and if she won't let up, consider finding your dog a new, loving, home.
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you must do it for science
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I had a dog once that had hardly any teeth (many missing, the rest were just blunted stubs) and he was still able to kill small animals if he caught them. It's a pointless surgery - just don't leave the baby alone with the dog, which is standard regardless of dog breed and how gentle and good-natured it is.
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>>2182048
Your Fiance is a prissy bitch, Tell her to grow a pair, your dog is a good dog.
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>>2182048
If you can't convince your significant other to not be retarded, I've got bad news for your future.
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OP is a retard, close this trash already.
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>>2182048
Your dog will die to keep that baby safe. Don't let your wife's maternal instincts scare her. A dog is a good thing for a family. They know nothing but love for their family
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>>2182048
You do know a dog doesn't need canines to kill anything younger than a toddler, it just helps the mauling not be so bad. Not only can your dog use it's paws and sheer weight to kill a baby, it can still easily bite and kill a baby without canines. The only precautions to ensure it won't hurt the baby is to always closely supervise when they are together, keep them seperated when you can't.

>>2182054
Vets tend to only do it on a pet when ordered by a judge for dangerous dogs, like dogs that have multiple attacks under their belt. Although dog fighters also pull out the canines of bait dogs but generally not professionally.

>>2182062
She's dumb and a cunt, find a better brood Mother or whip her into shape. Does she also make you sit to pee to prevent any potential urine on the seat?

>>2182259
If the dog is well trained to do that shit, and as long as there is a stop command and you are supervising, it can be fine. But I honestly can't imagine a dog being well trained to carefully cart a baby around.

>>2182290
Ideally, a dog shouldn't be upset over a muzzle. I use the muzzle as part of a game for my dog where he has to lick peanut butter out of a wobbler, so muzzles don't mean anything terrible, it usually means peanut butter

>>2182404
To be fair having a baby changes a person, no to mention the hormones associated

>>2182428
This mentality is how so many babies die from dogs


>>2182456
NY is trying to push a state law banning declawing, will be the first state in the US to do it if it passes.
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>>2182853
>declawing
I'm not a cat person, I've never had them, and I know nothing about the subject of declawing.
However I do know that it is better to keep them inside. That being the case, is declawing really a bad thing? If the cat doesn't need to defend itself, or rarely spends any time outside, what does it hurt? If it is about not subjecting the animal to the pain and discomfort fine I can get behind that. In today's age I don't understand why technology hasn't advanced to make this a less painful process, and I can see benefits from it as corrective behavior for both people and furniture.
Maybe I'm missing something, like I said I don't know much about cats. Really this is just an honest observation I was curious about.
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>Dog well-known for high level of intelligence, ease of training, and consistent training results placing in an elevated position as guardian
>"durr it's gonna bite me child, the wifey's gonna get so steamed if I don't rip off my nards right now and sell that dog, sorry doggo"
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>>2182876
Yes. Declawing is terrible and inhumane. There is an alternative such as soft paws, I think it's called. They are plastic/rubber caps you can glue over their claws. It's not permanent since they fall off when they shed the sheaths of their claws but it's something. There's plenty of knockoff ones to use too since brand name can be expensive. We used them for my girlfriend's cat in the beginning since her mom had a baby and was acting similar to OPs wife.
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Yeah sure, it's not like the dog will still have several sharp teeth left afterwards or anything, right?
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>>2182876
>what does it hurt?
The cats's fingers, paws, legs and joints. Also apparently litter burns them on the spot they used to have claws on.
It wouldn't be like taking off your nails, it'd be more like taking off a phalanx or two off every one of your fingers.
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>>2182888
>>2182892
So the reason it is considered terrible and inhumane is because of the pain and discomfort inflicted upon the cat.
Again I find it hard to believe that in today's medical field with all the advancements made, that we still cannot perform such a straight forward procedures as removing a cats claws, without subjecting the animal to needless pain, suffering, and rehabilitation problems.
Well, ok, I got my answer thank you.
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>>2182899
We can take off a phalanx or two off every of your fingers painlessly, you'll still have to live with the consequences of it.
Cats need their claws, that's all there is to it.
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>>2182905
>Cats need their claws, that's all there is to it.
Why would an inside cat need it's claws?
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>>2182909
Because they aren't the same as other species' claws or human fingernials.

They are a fundamental part of a cart's bone structure. It has to completely re-learn how to walk without them, because they are attached to the end-most joint bones of their paws.

Dude just google cat paw X-rays. It's not hard to do a little research in this day and age.
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>>2182909
Cutting off bone to stop your cat fro scratching seems lazy and irresponsible.
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>>2182909
Why would an inside human need complete fingers? You do realise I just compared claws to full fingers, right?
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>>2182918
It's a valid question, one that you could not answer apparently, judging by your attempt to compare the function of a human hand to that of a cats paw. Regardless,>>2182912 already gave me an example.
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>>2182909
Without claws they can't jump, walk, play or catch properly, and are unable to run or scratch themselves. It's all extremely self-evident to anyone who's spent any amount of time around cats.
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>>2182048
Not as bad as circumcision.
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Why not just keep the dog and the baby in different parts of the home (i.e. move dog downstairs/outside/wherever when the baby is around)?
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Your wife is hyped up on hormones

everything is a threat to her right now. she's probably changed a lot of stuff that didn't make sense because they were "a danger to the baby"

good advice would be to stall for a month with excuses like money, finding a good vet and right appointments.

that way you don't start having troubles with your wife so early. your wife is probably in a very emotional state right now and has wacko thoughts thinking everyone is out to get her and her baby and if you start disagreeing with her you become one of the "enemies". Just don't do anything that can leave a permanent scar. don't argue with her, don't fuck up your dog, just stall until the hormones relax

and if after a month she still has crazy thoughts. she's psycho.

had a friend who couldn't have a baby for 8 years. finally got one and their dog (bull mastiff) ate him cos it was hungry. haha
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>>2182048
Your fiance needs a hobby.
Or maybe something besides air between her ears.
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>>2182048
get rid of your fiance
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Dogs have a protective instinct over the family and they will carry that over to the child as well. No need to fear. If anything, she will WANT to keep those teeth in to protect intruders from hurting your family and your new baby. Have faith in the dog.
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>>2182062

>>2182065
Truth. I've also been married for ten years, and there's always shit that comes up where one person gets really focused on an idiotic idea. No one's exempt and it goes both ways, but sometimes you need to put your foot down and just say "no".

You can try to compromise... offer to put the dog through extra training or something, but draw a firm line at mutilating it for zero good cause.
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>>2182116
>Pit

How long until it snaps and attacks the baby?
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>>2182062

Why don't you just give your dog to someone who will actually take care of it?
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Your fiance sounds like a dumb cunt and you sound like you fucked up
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