Old dinosaurs concept

>>2077720

Oh god that's marvellous.

>>2077723
That is adorable

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oh god.

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swiggity swooty i'm coming for that booty

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My sides

>>2077738

NO WAY

>>2077732
More like Ayylmaosaurus

>>2077760
Holy fuck I lost hard

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>they can't tell you're crosseyed if you're extinct.

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>>2077719
>the sciencist comunity
lol
in Victorian times when dinosaurs were most popular you could count the number of paleontologist in the world on one hand, with fingers to spare.

Between 1900 and 1960 the average number of dinosaur paleontologists is zero.

there literally was no scientific community of dinosaur paleontologists until at least the 1980's. This thing where we have hundreds of paleontologists studying dinosaurs has never happened before and will probably never happen again. It's a fad.

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>>2077788
>implying victorian time drawings aren't the best drawings.

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>>2077793
I meant to imply no such thing!
they're hilarious.
they just weren't the work of a community.

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>>2077794
oh they were the work of a community.

just not a scientific one.

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>>2077797
kek
so true

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>>2077801
I like how they all look smug as fuck.

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>that neck.

>>2077738
>>2077740
Creationist shit doesn't count.

>>2077797
>how americans imagine evolution

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>>2077728
I love how many modern restorations of pterosaurs are just about as accurate as they were back then...

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>>2077858
It's especially disappointing once you read up on pterosaur pneumaticity.
See the blue on the diagram? (sorry for potato quality)
That's an airsac.
An INFLATABLE airsac.
IN THE WING.
What this means is that many derived pterosaurs could inflate or deflate the leading edges of their wings to adjust the curvature, profile...hell, maybe even the aspect ratio!
(More reading here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637988/ )

This is so fucking awesome, but it's depicted in almost NO paleoart whatsoever.
Sorry for blogposting, but pterosaurs are my SHIIIIITTTTTT.

>>2077870
>Jurassic World's designs were so terrible they resurrected extinct memes

>>2077738
>Bible belt education

>>2077902

there's a strong contingent of these dumb fucks in california where I grew up. I had that book

my parents took me to a ken ham creationism seminar when I was like 13. what a fucking blowhard. my brother and I were the only kids there so we even met him briefly, he's a total asshole

>>2077880
Thats pretty badass actually. Thanks for that info.

>>2077912
Lol i live in california and my college professor for zoology once invited ken ham to have a discussion with us about evolution. Of course my professor was just trying to troll him and by no surprise he said he had important business to attend to and couldnt make it but he would answer any questions we wrote down.

When we got our questions back it was no surprise it was all the classic creationists babble and all his sources were all from the same shit.

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>>2077880
Fuckyeah pterosaurs are amazing, like fuck dinosaurs, none in my opinion even came close to the same sort of veriaty and weirdness. Even modern day birds have never never even approached the scale of the largest pterosaurs. They were sophisticated, likely quite intelligent animals, and were the first vertibrates to master flight.

>An INFLATABLE airsac.
>IN THE WING.

Yes, I've heard of this! Wasn't sure what to make of it, thank you for giving me more information on it. That's pretty damn incredible, its pretty frustrating that with all our advances in knowledge of other extinct creatures, pterosaurs for some reason are still largely neglected. John Conway is probably my favourite artist in this regard, I love how he manages to capture not just that they were living creatures, but what they actually must have been like in their own right. So many otherwise great paleoartists fall back on using living animals such as bats and birds, without considering that they were their own thing entirely.

>>2077870
>Jurassic World's designs were so terrible they resurrected extinct memes

Don't even. I get scientific accuracy isn't the concern here, they even wrote in a half hearted excuse for why they weren't anything like they would have been, but christ. At least make them look GOOD. I liked the way they looked in JP3, even with all their scales and teeth. I would have legitimately shat bricks if one of those came waddling towards me on narrow platform. But no. 14 years later and all our advances in technology and cg, and we get some fucking emaciated shitty murder bats.

>>2077721
Isn't this one still pretty accurate?
Apart from the sloppy tail.

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>>2077738

>>2077880
Does the air sac expansion affect the blue(sac) area only or the whole wing? In the first case, wouldn't that leave a bulge in the wing?
I don't understand how could this system work. The article mentions pelicans and vultures as modern day examples of birds with air sacs on the wing but I found too little.I just wanted to see that in action...

>>2078039
>I don't understand how could this system work.
Like, the airsac system in general, or the "inflatable wing" bit?

>>2078039
not him but a bulge at the front of the wing could be used to shape an airfoil that produces lift when soaring.

you'd just need to cup the rear of the wing downwards and then bounce air off the bulge to a straight line from the apex of the bulge to the trailing edge. Air over the top of the bulge and curve will be forced to take a longer path, thus speeding up and creating the suction necessary to lift the wing.

that's assuming the air sacs are held rigid in relation to the bones of the wing, an assumption that doesn't seem likely since these air sacs were inflated and deflated by breathing. They were essentially extra lungs, and it's not convenient to have your flying ability only work when you're holding your breath, so to speak.

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>>2078039
(A) is an idealized aerofoil.
(B) is a pterosaur wing without an airsac.
(C) is a pterosaur wing WITH an airsac.

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>>2077735
why are those eyes so dreamy

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>>2078100
Because Chas Knight didn't draw monsters, he illustrated animals.

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>>2077738
>>2077732
>>2077720
Are the best

>>2077732
That vein tho...

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>>2077732

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>>2078150
>Oldschool marsupial pterosaurs
YOOOOOOOOOOOOO(1/2)

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>>2078256
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (2/2)

>>2077737
What a cute little crow face

>>2078043
The part about inflation part, based on what I understood about the article they are pretty much like bird airsacs.

>>2078056
>>2078044
So basically pterosaurs are pretty much living planes.Correct

>assuming the air sacs are held rigid in relation to the bones of the wing, an assumption that doesn't seem likely since these air sacs were inflated and deflated by breathing.
Maybe they had a way to store air there while the sacs on the toracic cavity did the breathing part.

>>2077720
I have this book somewhere l recognize the art style

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>>2077760
>>2078247

>>2077732
Holy shit! I had a book with this picture when I was a kid. I remember hating this drawing the most compared to the other dinosaurs.

>>2077732
>>2078298
I find the drawing so shitty as creepy actually...

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>>2077745

>>2077721
4 spiked thagomizer
no neck
not enough plates

>>2077950
4 spiked thagomizer
no neck
not enough plates

>>2078247
holy shit they didn't even get Allosaurus's name right.. thats supposed to be Allosaurus right?

>>2078336
it's a pun, hun. Because it looks like an ayy lmao.

>>2078320
Lol It is kinda creepy. I'm going to phone my mom this weekend and see if she or my brother still has this. My parents sold a ton of old books that we had as kids. I know they kept some for future grandkids. I doubt this was one that they kept but I can hope.

>>2077723

>a-am I kawaii, archaeologist-kun

>>2077732

It looks like that picture of that kid that was full "trex mode" with wide ass hips and no shoulder/upper body muscle. you know the one.

>>2077737

>heard you talkin shit like I wouldnt find out

>>2078325
>LOL WE ARE DINOSAURS

Why do I cringe to this shit even in parody?

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>>2077738

>>2077777
so...is no one gonna mention the quints?

>>2078493
nobody cares about gets on slow boards.

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>>2078359
You mean this one?

>>2078484
You will never convince me that this wasn't done by a closet vore fetishist

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>not collecting outdated dinosaur books

>>2077801
> That's my purse! I don't know you!

>>2078515
>GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO GUNTER NO

>>2078502
What?

>>2078484
I'm a vore fetishist and I don't see anything sexy about this pic

>>2077732
>rawr xD

>>2078501

nah, its fat trex guy (like kleinfelters kind of thing)

>>2078548
>>2078556
It's the mouths/teeth.
People with a vore fetish always exaggerate/overdo the teeth and mouths on shit they draw.

>>2077738

Is it trying to explain how it breaths fire on the right there? Please tell me that you're the me who took this picture and can show more..

>>2078639
Not that guy, but I...was exposed...to this book when I was a little guy.
Basically it's a bunch of horseshit to the tune of "yadda yadda bombardier beetles, something something leviathan, let me just jack off into my mouth while you pretend that biblical 'dragons' actually meant 'dinosaurs' *fapfapfap* bleeeehhh"

>>2078502
I'm pretty into vore, and those mouths don't stand out to me at all. They aren't drawn in any way that stands out nor do they look like the usual way people draw them.

>>2078634
:V

>>2078503
Aw man, I owned top left as a kid. Fuck, I still got books from that series.

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>>2078680
that one belongs to my son, but he's 20 now and way too cool for dinosaur books so it's on my shelf.

He used to love it when I'd read him chapters out of that. Nothosaurus was his favorite.

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>>2078680
absolutely terrible artwork

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>>2078680
one more for memory lane

>>2078693
>>2078696
>>2078698
Thanks, forgot how bad these were. I remember loving the Iguanodon one most.
I also remember one where a dilophosaurus couple were trying to kill a plesiosaur that could walk on the beach like a seal, but the female dilophosaurus had a fucking pachycephalosaurus head for sexual dimorphism

>>2077721
What's wrong with the head? it's so tiny

>>2078503
Hello do you happen to have a light blue book with a brachiosaurus on the cover, and a red title? I had it as a kid and it has some amazing artwork, look for it

>>2077728
oh my god i can imagin it laughing XD HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE

>>2078358
kek

>>2078635

So Shingeki no Kyojin is made by a vore fetishist?

>>2078502
>>2078635
I think they're just shitty at drawing mouths. Also I think its supposed to show how carnivorous animals were peaceful veggies before sin or something.

>the artists face when gorallas are in fact vegitarian and never had scarey pointy teeth.

>>2078696
>cast a giant shadown on the grass
>grass
What are they teaching our childen...

>>2078022
Perfect

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>>2078634

>>2078634
>snibeti snab :DDD

>>2078816
You're telling me it wasn't?

>>2078503
>them thumbs on the bottom right

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>when the artist shoves your eye in the wrong hole

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>>2078634
I see your ass-nibbled Pteranodon and raise you a goddamned nightmare

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>>2077735
I think I'm in love.

>>2078634
Did they use a rotisserie as their drawing reference?

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ayyyy

>>2079032
Cute snek, wrong thred

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>>2077801
>tfw manlet myself but couldn't resist

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>>2077780

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>>2077793

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>>2079075
This is great

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>>2077745

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>>2077737

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>>2079075
Realized it's probably better removing his dialogue.

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Not old, but still great

>>2077720
This is actually how they're supposed to look though

>>2078484
fucking raptors eating lemons

>>2079108
this is wonderful

>>2078484
when life gives you lemons... become a fuckin VELOCIRAPTOR

>>2078698

>tfw no stegoceras gf

>>2079108
This is fucking retarded

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>>2077738
Now in readable size

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>>2078256
Well to be fair it turns out they could of been "hairy" in a way due to Pycnofibers

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/08/090804-pterosaurs-wings-fossil-hairs.html

>>2079258
Been playing too many video games there eh Ceolo?
>>2079251
"D:>"

>>2079058
>>2079075
>>2079077
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>>2079082
>>2079085
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>>2079092
This is good shit.

>>2079259
>horrifiedlaughter.png.exe

This thread is wonderful.

>>2079256
This fucker looks more like an ayy than this guy >>2078247

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Not really related but still.

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I love how much our idea of Iguanodon's appearance has changed over time.

>>2079242
It's charmeleon.

>>2079247
br hu3 hu3 hu3

>>2079247
Was there any dinosaur more likely to shank you than the old school iguanodons?

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there is this old documentary from back when JP was new where jack horner and his then rival were arguing about some silly shit by todays standards, i skimmed through this and think it's this one
oh, and the picture is relevant to the thread, this depiction is outdated as fuck though you may not want to think so
doesnt even have feathers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIoac7LuOak
pps i fucking love this thread and cant remember the last time i actually had fun on 4chan

>>2078150
my body is fossilized

>>2079256
>reptilians on roids

>>2079237
Its supposed to be

>>2078484
I FUCKING LOVE LEMONS

>>2079247
"I'm gonna stick me thumbs in yer throat and hang on 'till yer dead!"

>>2078484
The biggest lie in this pic is that a living creature enjoys eating raw lemons

>>2079242
I don't understand how this DOESN'T make sense to atheists.

We don't know what they ate, what/who they attacked, what kind of heightened senses they had, but yet there's books that explain everything about them as 100% fact. All we have is biblical accounts of dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs weren't scaly with feathers and flamboyantly colored, damn it. A couple of fossils with a few feathers lying next to them does not outweigh the hundreds that have been found with scales.

>>2079556
No paleontologist said that all dinosaurs have feathers. Hell, dinosaurs spanned such a huge length of time and biodiversity that it would be shocked that some didn't go in a different direction.

e.g. see mammals. Most have fur, but there are some mammals that have evolved to be bald, or have modified fur that became scales, such as the pangolin.

Dinosaurs were a hugely diverse group. We're closer chronologically to the T Rex than the T Rex is to the stegosaurus.

Also, biblical accounts of dinosaurs? The timelines don't match up. Try looking more at ice age megafauna, maybe things like mammoths or wooly rhinos for stuff like behemoths. Leviathans are probably whales.

Do you believe dragons, cockatrice, werewolves, vampires, or zombies are real? There are tons of stories about them or variations of them throughout history and all across the world. Many of those stories have even been written down since antiquity.

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>>2079556
This is bait, but I'm hungry:
>We don't know what they ate
coprolites

>what/who they attacked
Teeth, claw marks on bones.

>what kind of heightened senses they had
Inference through comparative morphology generally works fine.

>Dinosaurs weren't scaly with feathers and flamboyantly colored
Yet they've found fossilized melanosomes that pretty clearly describe the colors of a dinosaur.

>A couple of fossils with a few feathers lying next to them does not outweigh the hundreds that have been found with scales.

>look at this elephant
>it has little to no hair!
>this marmot must not have had hair either

That's what you sound like. Dinosaurs were as diverse as any other clade including Mammalia.

>>2079556
>hundreds that have been found with scales
Hate to break this to you, but when it comes to integument preservation, the number of specimens found with feather traces actually far outweighs those with scaly skin impressions.

>>2079253
Son, don't you try to school me on pycnofibres.

>>2079256
:D
>>2079258
|:V
>>2079259
:|/
>>2079260
|:/

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>>2079556

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>>2078503

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>But first, let me take a selfie!

>>2079668
Say what you will. I fucking love Luis Rey's paleoart.

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>>2079668

>>2079714
oh shit, I literally pissed myself

>>2078698
>booty had me like

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Remember when all dinosaurs were naked?

Those were good times.

>>2077732
this is your body on starting strength

>>2079243
[spoiler]AND THE TIGER POSTER[/spoiler]

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>>2079835
>good

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>>2078774
yep, that's the book on the lower left.
I got that one when I was 8, my parents bought me a copy when we stopped off in the town of Dinosaur, CO. Absolutely gorgeous, but completely outdated. Illustrations by Rudolph Zallinger.

>>2079596
>the number of specimens found with feather traces actually far outweighs those with scaly skin impressions.
>what people that never collected dinosaur fossils actually believe.

>>2079949
Proof me wrong, asshole. I'm a college paleontology student. I have nothing but time, motherfucker.
NOTHING BUT TIME.

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>>2078774
cover shot from google
if there's a page you'd like to see let me know

>>2079947
>Zallinger
HYESSSSSSSS

>>2079951
kek
>paleontology student
>doesn't know about Campione et al 2015
I'll go ahead and assume you're lying and don't have JSTOR access.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/03/most-dinosaurs-had-scales-not-feathers-fossil-analysis-concludes

>>2079108
This is wonderfully fucking retarded.

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>>2079645

>>2079248
>high impact sexual violence

>>2079952
Wow thanks, I'd like to see the duck-bills then

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>>2079975
1/3

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>>2079975
2

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>>2079975
3

>>2079977
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>>2079980
Fantastic

>>2079982
yeah, I love the artwork in that old book. I gave my original copy to my brother, but I missed it enough I bought one on amazon.

I think I paid $3 for it.

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>>2079256
YEE

>>2079983
Eh, I have no idea what happened to mine, it was probably thrown away. As a kid I was fucking obsessed with dinosaurs, to the point my parents eliminated all dinosaur-related media from the house.

>>2079256
Looks like the serpent from dark souls

>>2079992
Can I ask why a lot of kids are REALLY into dinosaurs, and how a kid ends up beaing REALLY, REALLY into dinosaurs? What was it that pulled you in?

>>2080198
Giant fucking animals that are all dead, and you dig their bones out of the ground are totally rad

>>2080198
They're giant monsters made of old bones and imagination. They're like dragons, only real.

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>>2079256

>>2077719
don't you have this pic bigger?

>>2077736
this is gold

>>2079242
pleas moar

>>2077797
dafaq is happening in this pic?

>>2077880
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637988/
if that's true then it's awesome mate

>>2080233
I love how people believed that sauropods were too big to be on land so they spent all their time in the water. Without having any kind of water adaptation.

>>2078696
>shouldn't we hire an artist for the book?
>nah i can do it

I agree!

>>2079408
hey i remember that illustration! but i don't know from where

>>2079947
looks like it's enjoying it... fihfthy shades of cretasic?

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>>2078812

>>2080007
>>2079988
>>2080211
cannot be unseen

>>2080238
well, it makes some sense if you look at hyppos, at a first glance they don't seem to have any adaptations to spend so much time in water

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>>2079256

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>>2080247

How old are these illustrations?

>>2077808
That looks fucking awesome though

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>>2078484

>>2080267
53

Does anyone have pics from a kids book with dinos made with play clay? That was my shit

>>2079958
Not him, but seems like nothing new. I didn't think ornithischians were ever implied to have plumage.

>>2080247
>JOHN MADDEN

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>>2080358
>I didn't think ornithischians were ever implied to have plumage.
Boy do I have some raw news to drop on your dome

>>2080366
Well, guess I don't know shit. So is that paper implying that feathers were a trait developed independently in two orders? Cause it looks pretty basal to me if those shits had them too.

>>2080368
Yeah, that paper is pretty much obsolete now.
Pterosaur pycnofibres, theropod feathers, ornithischian feathers, they're all most likely homologous.
Especially if you read up on modern crocodilian epidermal b-keratin genes. Shit gets crazy.

God, look at these things
it's like if humans went extinct and in a few million years an new species becomes sapient and uncovers out fossils, and the first 30-50 years after this all their artistic reconstructions of us look like liefeld drawings

>>2080374
Have you heard of "All Yesterdays?"
The second part is based entirely around that premise.

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>>2080374

>>2080387
That's my favorite part of that book.

>>2078484
>HR1 in Monster Hunter

>>2079108

MY SIDES

>>2079714

AHAHAHAHHA

FUCKING GENIOUS MAN

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>How YOU doin'?

>If this nigga don't shut the fuck up...

>>2077719
Concept art reads crippled Dino like Bambi stats
>>2077732
THEM LEGSSSSSS

>>2078150
>KILL ME

>>2080456
Take me

>>2078292
Similar probably to the mechanics of current bird breathing, where one breath of air takes multiple breath cycles to exit the respiratory system

>>2080494
>T-Rex
You mean an over-sized kaprosuchus with a tumblr nose that's chasing the other dinosaurs with tumblr noses?

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I refuse to acknowledge any concepts of dinosaurs that do not look like they do in this

>>2080511
Well that's more rough on you than it is on anyone else.
Kinda cutting off your nose to spite your face to be honest.

>>2080456
>>2080508
They don't call him "sexy rexy" for nothing.

>>2080513
yes because knowing exactly what an extinct animal looks like will be better for my quality of life than my cherised memories of Dino-Riders

>>2080511
HARNESS THE POWEEERRRRR!!

I had ALL of them as a kid. My parents were awesome.

>>2080508
>Swiggity Swooty

>>2080515
I was referring more to the absence of brainboxes and 15kW solid-state laser armatures in the fossil record, but if you're looking for something to get mad about there's really nothing I can do to stop you.

>>2080369
>Yeah, that paper is pretty much obsolete now.
>came out a couple months ago
>>2080368
the paper isn't implying anything except that most dinosaurs didn't have feathers.

that could be because of at least two possible reasons.

the simplest of the two is that feathers aren't the same thing as the fur in ornithischians.

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>>2079256

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>>2080516
I wish I still had these.

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>>2079259

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>this thread.

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>>2079398

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>>2080331

>>2080525

Oh god.

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>>2079251
heh

>>2079835
Woah, what's this from?

>>2080508
kek, he looks like he's making air quotes.

>>2080585
Where do I sign up?
I totally want to be a dinosaur.

>>2080666
Someone's raptor fetish.

I know this is probably not the place but do anyone of you know what dinosaurs could have eaten eggs?

I know the oviraptor theory is almost dead, but there have to be dinosaurs that ate them.

>>2080683
>oviraptor theory is almost dead,
What, why is that?

>>2080685

Apparently they didn't eat eggs: the sciencists though that because they found its fossil next to a nest, but the dinosaur was actually the father (or mother) of the eggs and was taking care of them.

>>2080686
Huh, I did not know this.

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>>2080585
>yfw the entire reason you went into genetics was cloning dinosaurs

>>2080585
>Scary Monsters

>>2080709
>Dat feel when you have the resources, the skill, the knowledge but the state does not approve.

Fucking state.

>>2077880
fucking cool

>>2079714
10/10

>>2080531
jESUS PUT A FUCKING TRIGGER WARNING ON THAT SHIT FUCK

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>>2080531

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>>2077728
Man I love old school dinosaur designs
Waterhouse Hawkins is my fucking hero

>>2080749
there is technically nothing stopping me from hatching a chicken with a tail, but it's always the fucking ethics department. Glow in the dark mice and rats with 4 ears are fine but the minute you want to hatch a chicken that has a vaguely dinosaurian tail i've crossed the arbitrary line...

>>2077719
To be fair, they based it off existing reptiles such as lizards and crocodiles. Science constantly improves and updates, so don't be shocked that today's knowledge is better than the past's. There could've been no correct knowledge today if not for the mistakes of yesterday's scientists.

>>2080508
>>2080667

>King of the Tyrant ""Lizards""

>>2080836
>there is technically nothing stopping me from hatching a chicken with a tail,
except you don't know which enzyme halts tail growth.

we've been throwing undreds o' thousans o' dollahs at it for over a decade now and nobody's figured it out.

and if you don't know that then you've undoubtedly got a couple other obstacles in your way, e.g. your lack of education, access to a lab, funding for equipment, and even the fact that you're still just 12 and lying on the interbutts.

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>>2080953
>and if you don't know that then you've undoubtedly got a couple other obstacles in your way, e.g. your lack of education, access to a lab, funding for equipment, and even the fact that you're still just 12 and lying on the interbutts
top banter

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The mighty Rapeasaurus.

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>>2080847
>There could've been no correct knowledge today if not for the mistakes of yesterday's scientists.
Today's views are just as wrong as any from the past, and will be laughed at in their own turn.

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T. rex was an ass man.

>>2081176
That's definitely not true. I mean stuff today I'm sure has a ton of inaccuracies, but nothing on the level of "all dinosaurs were giant belly dragging lizards.

Why not? That's how a lot of reptiles look when they walk, in fact it makes more sense to me then other depictions I've seen.

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>>2081185
>nothing on the level of "all dinosaurs were giant belly dragging lizards.
There is no scale or measure of HOW wrong something is.

Take the current debate on Spinosaurus. It doesn't matter which side is wrong, one of them must be. And in time we're going to know which one it is.

will they be less wrong than OP's pic? I can't see how. They will be exactly as wrong. The exact same mistake.

>>2081191
Why do people think Spinosaurus is a short-legged quadruped when every single other member of its group is the standard theropod desgn?

>>2081199
because a well-respected young paleontologist published a compelling article saying they are, and honestly he's the expert so he should know.

His paper hasn't survived criticism though, so the only people really agreeing with him at the moment are either his students or members of the public that aren't aware of the ongoing debate.

>>2081199
also I'm not certain we actually know that about most other spinosaurids. I'm no expert on those guys, but I'd be surprised if we had legs from most of them.

dinosaurs almost never come as nice complete skeletons.

>>2077729
>>2078149

Awesome. Had this book as a kid in the 80s and it was old even then. Got it from a rummage sale,

>>2081176
Scientific understanding doesn't really work that way though. It's not a linear accumulation of random ass facts and evidence that's always abruptly overturned because "lol whoops." The shit's built upon and refined. After a certain point, you can only refine the minutiae of certain ideas.

Paleontology only became a significant thing in the 19th century. Evolutionary thinking only started to kick off over half a century later and not very robustly until the 20th anyway. We have an immensely greater knowledge of biomechanics and computer aids that just refine the greater established ideas, but those ideas are pretty firmly established. I don't think there's going to be a revolution in paleontology on the level of the late 20th to early 21st century. Any revolutions are gonna be relatively small refinements, nothing on the level of giant, slow-moving lizards of biblical implication to active, bird-like animals.

>>2078335
>>2078334
You know you can reply to more than one post by doing what I just did.

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>>2081257
the thing you're not really getting is that scientific knowledge of dinosaurs peaked in the late 1800's, declined drastically until the late 1900's, and then experienced a revival that brought us back essentially to where we were when Mantell and Cuvier were the top dogs.

Most of the pictures itt come from the mid-1800's before the peak, or the 1900's when the study was dead. This presents the illusion that we're somehow improving in knowledge when really all we've done is wasted 100 years on stagnation and retardation and only recently caught up with where Victorian scientists were.

>>2081261
Victorian scientists didn't have a fraction of the tools modern paleontologists do though. I don't think saying that we've only caught up is fair. Modern synthesis, phylogenetics, comparative morphology, etc. were progressing regardless of where paleontology was and, when that revival happened, all those tools and theories could be applied to dinosaurs. 10-20 years of that is more than enough to make up for 100 years of stagnation.

>>2081264
>I don't think saying that we've only caught up is fair.
Owen understood the Dinosauria to be monophyletic based on the synsacrum when he named the taxon.

Paleontologists between 1890 and 1990 mostly considered it polyphyletic. Score 1 Owen.

Of course Owen and others observed that the synsacrum he erected the Dinosauria on was a bird trait, and thus speculated that there would be feathered and endothermic dinosaurs.

this idea completely fled the public consciousness during the 1900's to the point where people today think it's an amazing new discovery. Owen 2.

The discovery of Archaeopteryx confirmed that link, the only difference between our understanding of birds as dinosaurs vs. their understanding was in name alone. They absolutely knew birds were dinosaurs at that point, they just used an exclusive naming system that didn't allow for calling them both.

Again we treat this as radical new information.

The idea that Victorian scientists believed dinosaurs to be huge sluggish reptiles is almost entirely myth when you understand that they knew very well that endothermic and feathered dinosaurs existed from the very start, and the modern view that no dinosaurs were scaly or sluggish is itself false.

We caught up with 1840 sometime around 1990.

>>2081264
In fact I think it's fair to say the only revolutionary work so far produced by our recent renaissance is that of Alvarez and Alvarez, a physicist and a geologist.

We have certainly learned a great many new and tiny details about dinosaurs, but I can't think of any right off the bat that would surprise or shock Darwin, Mantell, Owen, or any of their ilk.

>>2081206
Baryonyx and Suchomimus are known from good remains that.. yeh show typical theropod body shapes

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>>2081191
Again, that is a much lesser mistake.
Thinking an animal had shorter legs than it did isn't really comparable to picture related.

>>2079958
this doesn't prove most dinosaur fossils have scales instead of feathers, it just shows most dinosaurs probably had scales due to inferred correlation

>>2080238
you don't need that many adaptations to live on water 2bh
look at crocodiles, hippos and polar bears. without knowing the things we know today we could've never known were they actually lived

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>>2080247
heyyyyyyyy

>>2081167
looks like a hippo

>>2081174
>BLUAAAHGAWWKKK MERCYYY
>that dude on the back who just doesn't care

>>2081309
wtf did these people not know what an elephant looked like? ffs

>>2081378
>my tail is a giant penis, I give no fucks about your throat being ripped out

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What about Dougal Dixon's "The New Dinosaurs"?

>>2081379
That was my thought, and then I remembered people though normal elephant skulls were cyclops at one point so who the fuck knows. That picture is afaik a legitimate old illustration though.

>>2081170

Ah, the times before argentinosaurus.

>>2080374
Exactly. And they'e make all kinds of false assumptions about what we looked like, what colors we were, what we ate, how we communicated, just like how enlightened euphoric scientists do today. Our skeletons wouldn't show that we had a diverse way of communication through our vocal chords, our skeletons don't show our reproductive organs. The'd say that humans communicated through simple squeaks and grunts or something, and that we laid eggs. Ya, real smart.

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>>2081657
>The late Holocene running predator "Homo sapiens."
>Some specimens of this animal were found with trace fossils of hair near its head. Its restoration with similar integument near its arms here is speculative
>This animal shared its habitat with the vicious, sickle-clawed, pack-hunting "Cat," the long-necked "Horse," and the sail-backed "Cow.".

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>>2081191
>>2081199
To be fair, the paper in question didn't say that Spinosaurus' legs were as short as they appeared in that one image that got plastered everywhere; that was a trick of perspective.

That being said, the "quadrupedal walrus-mimic" interpretation of Spinosaurus makes a lot of sense given the length of its torso and the shallowness of its ribs.

>>2081708

Priceless. MOAR.

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>>2081725
More images, or more images with "future-palaeontologist interpretations?"

>>2081728
more images with "future-palaeontologist interpretations

Id love to see how wrong could the ant-man civilization will be.

>>2080247
Dont push too hard dino; prolapse is a thing, y'know

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>>2081401

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>>2081719
How the hell would it even have been able to move? Something that size isn't going to be able to waddle like a sea lion or hump along like a seal. Nor could it use its hands to snag fish with or else it would crush its lungs under its weight with its chest sitting on the ground. Shit, Jurassic Park III may have taken some liberties but its Spinosaurus was still believeable.

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It's not old dino art but it's so terribly wrong that I have to share this anyway

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>>2081884
>How the hell would it even have been able to move?
I'd expect it would've moved walrus-style when it wasn't in the water.

>Nor could it use its hands to snag fish with
There's this new thing called a "mouth"

>crush its lungs under its weight with its chest sitting on the ground
(A), gastralia. (B), you're grossly misunderstanding the malleability of the dinosaur/avian respiratory system.

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>>2081401
TND is a really interesting read, to be sure.
It's fascinating to see how many of his speculations have held water (ubiquitous filamentous integument, largely-terrestrial pterosaurs) and how many are just JUST (hideously undermuscled tails for EVERYBODY!).

Here's a link to the book in website form for those interested
www sivatherium narod ru/library/Dixon_2/00_en htm

>>2081817
Son, don't be droppin' hate on the Monocorn.

>>2081905
...

>>2081708
Will there be fights about whether humans had scales or feathers?

>>2082102

This is bait.

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>>2081728
pretty fucking close actually