What are some good insects to keep as pets that are not spiders?

>insects
>that aren't spiders

did you post just to trigger my autism?

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hissing cockroaches

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hmm idunno if a colony counts as pets but ants are interesting as fuck, and you can't go wrong with honeybees. they're awesome, they make honey, they do god's work, and they need a hand as well.

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Damon sp.

>>2006623
If you showed me that in person, I'd

How can you hold that thing

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>>2006638
they're clumsy and harmless.

Mantids are neat.

>>2006623
Bugguy, I've heard that Amplypygi size each other up before attacking intruders on their territory. Doesn't that require a sense of "self"(how else could they ever compare themselves to others)?

Pls tell me, bugguy: do Amplypygi feel pain?

>>2006669
they're very beta and don't do much.

it's instinctive.

>>2006620
I'm not set up to take care of pets, but I adopted a hisser out of kindness and it's pretty easy to deal with, even for me.

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>>2006617
assassin bugs

>Some guy came into my school when I was 8 to teach us about bugs
>Was selling Phasmids
>Bought one along with several other people
>There's all died after a dew days
>Mine went on living for months until it eventually pulled all it's own legs off and became an irl stick

Was pretty creepy.

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>>2006778
the fuck man

>>2006765
how do i aquire these
it is a childhood dream

i remember making up oc donut steel from paper cutouts based on this bug

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>>2006803
look for breeders. Platymeris species are pretty frequently bred

>>2006811
it also comes in red? oh god how cool and awesome

so far i only find spider breeders in hungary

>>2006621
I can't tell what is happening here. Is that wasp eating the bees?

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>>2006897
the hornets are raiding the hive and massacring the bees by the (literally) thousands. this is a clip where a hornet is killing bees at the hive entrance and the bee bros are shown recovering their dead from the front lines.

what we do in life anon, echoes an eternity.

>>2006673

>i can't explain anything
>oh shit what do i do
>its instinct
>phew, that was a close one

Sigh.

>>2006897
It's the wasp's larva that needs the meat. The adults prefer food with more sugar like tree sap.

>>2006669
>Doesn't that require a sense of "self"
this question can be answered just by asking, "can I program a robot to do it?"

since robots lack a sense of self, if they can perform a behavior then it can be done without conscious thought.

there are very few animal behaviors that a machine couldn't mimic.

>>2006917

You are LITERALLY fucking retarded.

I honestly think that you and bugtard don't know what instinct actually means. Instinct applies to behavior. your point is stupid because a situation that complex requires thinking. Thinking, by definition is not instinct.

There are no animal behaviors a sufficiently smart computer can not mimic.

>>2006929
>Thinking, by definition is not instinct.
I didn't say it isn't.
I said the behavior doesn't require conscious thought.
>There are no animal behaviors a sufficiently smart computer can not mimic
maybe, but there are plenty of animal behaviors current computers can't mimic.

most of them are human behaviors.

>>2006931

>I didn't say it isn't.
>I said the behavior doesn't require conscious thought

It's not a behavior though, it's a calculation. The computer/animal makes the calculation. That's not instinct or behavior. It's response afterwards may be instinctual, but the actual calculation IS NOT.

>maybe, but there are plenty of animal behaviors current computers can't mimic.most of them are human behaviors

You're missing the point. Your example/explanation is terrible because any sufficiently intelligent computer can mimic any behavior, including humans.

>>2006939
>It's not a behavior though, it's a calculation.
yes, I agree with you. It's thought. Cognition. A calculation.

it doesn't require consciousness though. A computer could easily make the same calculations.
>Your example/explanation is terrible because any sufficiently intelligent computer can mimic any behavior, including humans
no, you just changed the parameters of my example to defeat it.

this is called a straw man.

I specifically meant current computers. You saying that someday a computer might be invented that breaks my rule is irrelevant to the example.

>>2006942

Exactly, so i'm pointing out the stupidity of your example. Next time think of a better one.

It's not straw man and how am I supposed to know you meant specifically current computers, you made no mention of it in your first post. I'm merely pointing out that robots/computers can mimic anything and theoretically have a semblance of consciousness. Again, think of a better example next time. You always get instinct and thought mixed up and it pisses me off.

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>>2006617
>be really young
>always see stick insects on the trees and all around our garden
>grandma tells us that if we touch them we might die
>apparently they're all poisonous and very dangerous
>anytime we see one we kill it on the spot
>be very afraid of stick insects for years until now
>find out they're pretty chill and people keep them as pets

I'm still a bit scared of them to be honest. Jesus grandma what did you do to me.

>>2006947
>how am I supposed to know you meant specifically current computers
because generally when someone talks about a thing they aren't talking about whatever fucking rainbow glitter unicorns fantasy you might pull out of your ass. They're talking about reality.

>You always get instinct and thought mixed up and it pisses me off.
I never mentioned instinct once.
that was bugguy.
you're too stupid to notice that I'm not bugguy. That's not my fault.

>>2006947
> You always get instinct and thought mixed up and it pisses me off.
thought is instinctive in non-conscious animals.

you seem to not understand what instinct is.

>>2007116

Instinct is behavioral you twat.

You're using the word wrong.

>>2007118
it's a gray area.
thinking is behavior.
automatic thinking is instinctive.

biologists usually make a distinction between overt behaviors and cognitive ones, but the distinction is arbitrary. It's useful to cut instinct up into pieces for study, but that doesn't necessarily mean thought isn't instinctive.

>>2007118
instinctive
JnˈstJŋ(k)tJv/Verzenden
adjective
relating to or prompted by instinct; done without conscious thought.

>done without conscious thought.

everything is instinct in non-conscious animals.

>>2007121

>an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli.

Behavior.

Plus I looked up your definition, the example they give
>an instinctive distaste for conflict
Which is behavioural.

You can not blanket throw instinct on everything. Instinct is how something behaviorally reacts, not the name for the thinking.

>>2007128
thinking is a behavior.

look up a few definitions of "behavior" if you like.
the word covers a lot of territory.

>>2007120

Moving your hand to pick something up is not instinctual.

Flinching is an example of instinct, it's an innate behavior.

>>2007128
most behaviour is instinctive.

the behaviour that isn't is almost entirely human behaviour.

>>2007129

>The way in which an animal or person behaves in response to a particular situation or stimulus:

??

>>2007132
what is the physiology of behavior?

>>2007130
>Moving your hand to pick something up is not instinctual.
oh really do you consciously think about the muscles you have to move?

>>2007131

In your opinion.

Any learned behavior is by definition not instinctual. Plus you're biased because you can't possibly imagine animals are conscious.

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>>2007135
>Any learned behavior is by definition not instinctual
learning is instinctual.

>>2007135
>Any learned behavior is by definition not instinctual
truth.

we again make distinctions for the sake of study.

do you think spiders are conditions to size opponents up in agonistic encounters?

>>2007134

No, but I consciously think about picking the object up and what i'm going to do with it.

It's a learned behavior because you're not born with fine motor control. And since by definition instinct is not a learnt behavior, being able to pick an object up is not instinct.

>>2007136

>learning is instinctual.

Just make shit up as you go along. Nice.

>>2007141
he's right. the process is instinctive.
animals are born with the ability to learn.
learning is behavior.

>>2007139
>It's a learned behavior because you're not born with fine motor control
you seem to confuse learned with trained.
>>2007141
>relating to or prompted by instinct; done without conscious thought.
everything non-conscious animals do is instinctive, that includes learning.

>>2007142

Kid if you're just going to mirror copy what he says you might as well just butt out.

Learning can not be instinctive by definition. You can't argue it because THE DEFINITION of an instinct is that it can't be learnt. It's a ridiculous oxymoron.

>>2007145
>Learning can not be instinctive by definition. You can't argue it because THE DEFINITION of an instinct is that it can't be learnt

the process of learning isn't learnt.
>if you're just going to mirror copy what he says you might as well just butt out.
I'm waiting for you to make a single cogent point and then I'm going to bed.

I may be here for hours.

>>2007143

>you seem to confuse learned with trained.

I fail to see the relevance.

>everything non-conscious animals do is instinctive, that includes learning

In your opinion, but since you're wrong it's not true.

>>2007147

>being bugtards little bitch

Oh Jesus, look at you trying to be all clever.

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>>2007145
are you really calling people twice your age 'kid'

>>2007149
he just happens to be right atm.

>>2007148
>I fail to see
now we're getting somewhere.

the first step of rehabilitation is admitting you have a problem.
>In your opinion
I quoted a dictionary.

>>2007150

Yes.

>>2007157
I kinda doubt you're 22, but whatever.

learned behavior isn't instinctive, but the behavior of learning is.

>>2007155
>>2007152

The sexual tension between you too is ridiculous.

>>2007159
>The sexual tension between you too is ridiculous
I'd probably rather fuck you.
assuming you're a woman based on your inability to grasp abstract concepts.

>>2007158

>44 year old man arguing semantics on 4chan

Wow I actually think that's worse than the friendless dutch autist

>>2007160

I highly doubt you've "fucked" anything for a few decades.

>>2007161
lol
you have no idea

>>2007158
>learned behavior isn't instinctive
he's going to have a hard time demonstrating that the behaviour is actually learned.

>>2007163
my kids aren't THAT old :)
>>2007165
he conveniently skipped that question.

Now I just pity you guys. It's okay, lets all be facebook friends, it'll be so cute!

>>2007167
>Now I just pity you guys
it's fine, whatever you have to feel superior about go for it! I mean what's the point of living if you can't feel like you're better off than someone else, right?

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>>2007167
you could've just told us that you admit that you were wrong.

>>2006623
OP asked for insects, you turd

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>>2007170
aren't I a cheeky little devil?

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>>2007172
sure, mr. autismo

>>2007172
Holy shit your roaches are huge! What's your secret?

>>2006644
looks like a mean dude

>>2007212
probably virginity

>>2007212
>>2007229
can confirm

>>2007212
they ate a lot of dinner scraps.

>>2007235
I'll try that. Is there anything I should avoid feeding them? I use a lot of weird gluten free flours since my husband has celiac, I don't want to poison the poor little guys with teff or sorghum flour.

>>2007172
I had started out with 5 of them next thing I knew I had hundreds. I could not get rid of them and surely wasn't letting them go so I sprayed them with Raid roach killer.

>>2007637
forgot my trip.
i didn't want to want to waste them though, so i fed them to my animals. wouldn't want to be a wasteful american

>>2007650
did not have anything to feed them to or I would have faggot

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>>2007650
You fed toxic roaches to your pets

>>2007655
raid is an INSECT killer. reptiles are not insects.

>>2007660
but raid is still poisonous you fucking retard

>>2007660
>raid only kills insects so it's okay for humans to eat!
I personally believe that you get way more hate than you should bugguy but, damn, you really are a yard at times

>>2007617
I avoid giving them things that start to smell quickly and toxic plants like tomato stems.

Anyone here kept a phylliidae, been a mighty long dream of mine to get one of these beauties.

>>2008855
it's like stick insects only more boring.

>>2006617
Don't get roaches.

>>2006619
Kek.

>>2006620
>>2006760
>>2007172
Pls die

>>2007699
>>2007790
bugguy S0xZFbp/pY is a parody of bugguy !S0xZFbp/pY not the actual guy.