Cant make out with grills

>>18705993
>Most people say that when the right time comes it will just happen naturally, but apparently that doesn't work for me and I just blow up all the chances.
That's the secret. It happens naturally. Don't force it and holy fuck man, I know how it feels, but really don't force it. I've killed every chance I got for forcing shit with every other girl and I can tell you from experience that things WILL progress naturally, for better or worse (whether you breakup / get fucking married with kids, things WILL go towards a direction whether you force it or not).

>>18706007
yeah I understand that, just sometimes it feels like I'm waiting for the girl to jump on me and I don't wanna be that guy because I know it doesn't work like that.

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>>18705993
I'm pretty sure it's when you are looking into each other's eyes and you can see those sparkles... that is when you must make a move. At least that's what I told myself to do the next time I see it.

>>18705993
kiss on a dude until you're comfortable enough to move up to grills

>>18707320
That's gay.

>>18705993
OP, don't force it is 100% true and from the sounds of it, you try to force it and that's where you are stumbling.

Try this, you like a girl and she hangs out with you and goes on a dates with you?

Just keep doing so until one day, one moment, you kiss. It just happens if you are together and like each other long enough. I was in your shoes when I was younger and I always over thought it and would try to kiss a girl when I thought it would be appropriate. Sometimes it would work out and sometimes it was the wrong move.

An example of it just letting it happen naturally? My current girlfriend and I had like 6 dates before we kissed and even our dates were very non traditional. Granted we are both in our 30s and have very busy lives. So anyways, we were just watching tv with my arm around her after a day of working on a garden, I looked at her, she looked at me, I kissed her, and it just happened without any anxiety and so fourth. Just let it happen naturally OP.

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>>18707453
did you not read the part about moving up to grills?