virgin

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Physical appearance. Nothing about personality, moral, things in common , beliefs, how quiet you are, what you say or what you don't say.

See Ray Tinder Experiment. Get Blackpilled

takes two to have sex
it is not the end all you're thinking it is
don't treat intimacy as a rite of passage
when it happens, it happens

>>18705656
Nah man, I don't look awful. I've been rated as at least average several times and a girl who isn't my mom told me I was handsome once, though she was most likely exaggerating. I have good fashion sense and hygiene as well.
I objectively don't look amazing but I don't look bad either.

I'm ugly duckling and a male. Was verbally abused by my peers growing up. I'm 26 and I'm not kiss less o had a few girls at parties look at me and kiss me.

>>18705663
But it is, if you haven't done it in your teens/late teens it means nobody wanted you so there's obviously something wrong.
>when it happens, it happens
I don't want to end up a wizard.

>>18705673
It might, but the longer you go on the more people are aware of everyone being fucked up in different ways.

Being a wizard is extremely unlikely if you go out and try to talk to people. Don't judge yourself by arbitrary standards created by Japanese netizens, dude.

>>18705666
Height/skin colour/hair density/ can you grow a beard / do you have a receding hairline / eye colour / wide jawline/weight? You might be deceiving yourself.

>18 and 19
Try 25+ and it starts making more sense.

>>18705689
Yeah but even so? Everyone's fucked up, some people more than others.
>extremely unlikely if you go out and try to talk to people
I don't know man, I'm not a neet but even when I'm social I haven't ever had a girl be interested.
>>18705706
5'10, white, hair is thick as fuck, 19 so my beard looks like shit, hairline is good, average but not nonexistent jawline, thin but not skinny.
I'm the definition of average.
>>18705710
18/19 is the average in most western countries.

>>18705726
Something like a quarter of people are are still virgins at 20. Definitely nothing abnormal.

>>18705735
10%

honestly why doesn't this board have a /virgin/ general thread yet?

>>18705805
That's a good idea.

>>18705805
That's /r9k/.

>>18705748
Got a source for that or are you just pulling that number from your ass?

>>18705837
Google it, the number of virgins over the age of twenty is around 10-13%

>>18705842
Everything I found said around 20%.

>>18705726
Girls being interested is not the same as girls approaching you. High school girls, even the ones DTF, won't just walk up to you and say so. There are societal guidelines. Sounds like you're you're too young to understand how impressionable and naive you still are.

>>18705616

It gets worse, if you don't go for girls who don't care about physical appareance

>>18705861
Even if I'm wrong, 20% is definitely a minority. It's not normal

>>18705866
What are you implying?
I know girls don't explicitly express their interest unless you're very handsome.

>>18705873
I'm implying you are overthinking because being a virgin at your age, especially when you're not in a relationship, is a non-issue. You're assuming you're going to be a permavirgin because of shit you read on the internet and the fact you haven't had any girls jump on your penis yet when you just reached the age when most encounter opportunities show up for males.

Basically, chill and go out more.

>>18705882
>is a non-issue
But why have the majority of people done it then? The real issue isn't virginity, that's just a symptom of something else but I can't really figure out what.
>you just reached the age when most encounter opportunities show up
From what I've experienced it's not really true. It's the same as in high school.

>>18705894
You thinking virginity is a rite of passage is the issue. Not the fact you, who obviously are not in a relationship, didn't get laid yet. It's a symptom of you not understanding how you cannot think of individual experiences as goalposts, i.e. immaturity.

>From what I've experienced it's not really true. It's the same as in high school.
Girls tend to get started in highschool by older guys. Not all guys get started in highschool.

>>18705939
>a rite of passage
Not really, it's just that I'm wondering what's wrong with me since for most people don't have that concern.
>you cannot think of individual experiences as goalposts
Not goalposts but there are some things that you're kind of supposed to have gone through if you're a normal person. Having had a relationship is one of them.

>>18705953
>Not goalposts but there are some things that you're kind of supposed to have gone through if you're a normal person.
That's a literal goalpost.

>>18705960
Yeah, I'm retarded. Still, how can you say that social experiences aren't goalposts when social relationships are so important?

>>18705966
Because everyone has a different walk in life and there's literally no reason why what you consider to be the average should happen to you. I'm almost twice as old as you are and have seen boys go through the exact same shit when I was your age.

Sex isn't just a social experience; it's intimacy. The fact a lot of people do it without concern for that speaks more for their lack of understanding of what it entails as well as for shitty parenting. Sex can be safe and fun, but if you talk to more women, you will come to understand what you really missed out on by not having teenage sex was a lot of awkwardness, pressure and fear on both sides regarding first times. You think it's bad you didn't have sex now because you don't know what it's like to be in bed with someone who just realizes they're not ready for stuff when they're bleeding and that ruins your entire teen romance, or see what used to be an innocent relationship become a mess because of it, teen pregnancy, STDs because people think everything will be okay even without proper care, ER trips over anal without preparation because retards assume porn is the same as real life, etc.

Being ready for sex is something that goes from person to person, and it's not just you that matters here. At your current age, it is more likely for you to come across females that will be more sure of themselves regarding this, and will have the maturity not to think of you as a failure for not having experience. What you need to work on is your own maturity, because it's not sex that is keeping you from progress, but rather, the idea that it is a barrier that you must get through to be an adult. It is just something that happens when at least two people want it. Don't sweat it. You will get it so long as you're out, available and not being a creep over it.

>>18705616
Having to lose your virginity before adulthood is one of the oldest memes of mankind. Why the hell you should do that if it does feel your goal anytime soon?

>>18706032
>there's literally no reason why what you consider to be the average should happen to you
Isn't sex also an indicator of your development, especially in terms of mental health? Which is why people who are in their twenties and have zero experience are seen as dysfunctional. It's about social pressure but there's also a developmental component to it.
>it's intimacy
Is that necessarily a part of sex? If you go see a hooker, you won't have much intimacy but it's still sex. Yet it can still be a good experience.
>shitty parenting
Can I blame my cluelessness and utter lack of experience on bad parenting?
>Being ready for sex
It feels like lying to myself to claim I'm just not ready for it when the reality is I'm unable to get it.
>will have the maturity to not think of you as a failure
I'm sure they exist but I'm having trouble finding them.
The girls are meet are really into having fun constantly with everything that entails and it's pretty intimidating.
>it's not sex that it keeping you from progress
That's right, but the reason why I'm not getting it, whatever that is, is also affecting my life in general and that is certainly keeping me from progress. As I said, virginity is a symptom, not a cause.
>not being a creep over it
What does it mean to be a creep though? That's kind of an umbrella term.
>>18706193
>Why the hell you should do that if it does feel your goal anytime soon?
What?

there's a girl I know who's 18. I know for sure I can have sex with her, but I don't want to get into a relationship. That's what's holding me back. I don't want her to fall for me potentially and then she'll keep bothering me.

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>>18705656
>Internet sex experiment has absolutely hilarious results on a website where people don't read bios anyway

I'm sorry, but people are just as fast to swipe right on an attractive man as they are an unattractive man.

Tinder is for cummies and nothing else.

>>18706335
>hasn't even realized that the experiment clearly shows that women were aware of his crimes and in fact role-played as kids to fulfill his fantasy

not even trying

>>18705616
Wrong. Chastity is a virtue.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>18706357
>There are 4 out of a pool of 300 people that are pieces of shit floating around in the general populace, and people are using them to say their experiment was a success on a grand-scale

I'm sorry, but think next time.

>>18706222
>Isn't sex also an indicator of your development, especially in terms of mental health?
Quite the contrary. Repeated sexual encounters damage your ability (especially for women) to form pair bonds. Try to aim for as low a partner count as possible, preferably zero. And if you're worried about "satisfying" your partner, don't. A relationship predicated on sex will fail anyway, and part of a marital bond is growing together.
>Is that necessarily a part of sex?
It should be. Otherwise you're just engaging in risky and expensive hedonism.
>Can I blame my cluelessness and utter lack of experience on bad parenting?
No, not at all.
>It feels like lying to myself to claim I'm just not ready for it when the reality is I'm unable to get it.
Stop focusing on sex, and focus on finding someone you would be okay having sex with. That implies waiting until marriage, but you probably won't. Still, look for a person you can be in a stable relationship with.
>The girls are meet are really into having fun constantly with everything that entails
If you want to lose your virginity, these girls are good "practice" because of their loose morals, but they have very poor chances of forming a lasting bond with. Sadly, this kind of promiscuity is the norm.
>As I said, virginity is a symptom
So treat the cause.
>What does it mean to be a creep though?
Don't act perverted.
>>18706277
Then leave her alone. It's a terrible thing to use a girl and discard her. That's why I recommend every woman I see here wait until marriage, because then guys like you won't bother.

If virginity isn't abnormal, then why is it used as such a common insult?

>>18706386
Why do you call yourself Hitler when you have nothing in common with him? He was a brilliant leader and managed to get shit done. You are a basement-dwelling manchild NEET virgin.

> Pay for a hooker
> be gay
It's that simple trust me

>>18706453
>You are a basement-dwelling manchild NEET virgin.
Virgin isn't an insult, and the other 3 aren't true. I suppose you could say I'm a bit naive, since I still think that I can help people live moral lives despite the world demanding they don't.
It's a tongue-in-cheek name, anyway. I value tradition and my race, so naturally I'd get called a Nazi.

>>18706457
What's a hooker gonna change?

>>18706458
People are having less casual sex now than before. Sexual culture is far less degenerate now than a few generations ago. How are you "traditional"?

>>18706461
Just be gay it's free, for a good one with no stds probably 400$

>>18706458
>placing value in happenstance of being born white or being born at all
Literal fucking nigger detected. It's good that that the majority of people in this world(rightfully) think people like you are fucking cancer; you'll be bred out by your own hand.

>>18706468
Serial monogamy is just as degenerate as casual sex. It's the lack of chastity that is damaging, from a neurological perspective as well as a basic physical one.
>>18706481
Nihilist detected. If you have no values, more power to you, just don't go tearing down anything others place value in.

>>18706490
Damaging to you. Nobody else. Damaging your bitter fragile mind that everyone is having sex but you.

>>18706370
>so fucking dense that he hasn't even read anything else on the experiment other than the picture
He had requests from 170+ women who swiped right to him. Initially he only swiped right to 7-8 women. Vast majority of women swiped right. The truth is harsh isn't it ;)

>>18706490
>worthless sperg detected
Normal people place value in their achievements or goals, the fact that you put such importance on muh heritage and muh race indicate that you're a do nothing loser with little else to be proud of.
Literally everyone on this board thinks you're trash and being a namefag isn't helping. Begone cancer.

>>18706458
Why does race matter?

>>18706608
kek
>>18706620
That's not what racial pride is. Also,
>social shaming a shut-in
>>18706623
Social trust, genetic variance, and aesthetics. I'm white, so I naturally care about whites more than other groups. Not a hard thing to do.

>>18706620
Well it's kind of odd that you say that since heiratage is basically like celebrating the 4th of July

>>18706632
>being a fucking narcissistic shut-in living in an echo chamber of toxic ideologies
>"aw gee, why are you guys so mean to me when I try to spew my bullshit everywhere?!"
Fucking wah, fagggot.

>>18706635
>literally blowing up your money
It's important to remember things like the 4th and why they happened but all the attached bullshit is exactly that.
Just like it's important to recognize where you come from but putting actual time or reverence in it makes you a fucking faggot.

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>>18705616
Nothing is wrong.
That's just how the world is.
Everything is not for everyone, only the top 10% of men are supossed to have sex anyway.
Accept you're not in the top 10% and that you'll never get a girl. The faster you come to terms with it the happier you will be.
Embrace 2D instead.

>>18706651
>toxic ideologies
Hardly. I actually stand for something other than fleeting pleasure or economic "growth."
>why are you guys so mean to me
When did I say that? I think you're upset that someone will judge you based on your actions.

>>18706668
>I actually stand for something
>Hurr durr this isn't what 90%+ of the world population believes
>being this fucking self absorbed
HAHAHA
Give it like 200 years; it'll be like you never existed at all.
>When did I say that?
Yesterday when you were bitching about being singled out for your stupid shit and explaining why you namefag "literally Hitler"
That's the problem with opting out of anonymity on an imageboard; you have to be consistent or you just look like a retarded faggot.

Forreal dude, if your life was worth anything you wouldn't be shitting yourself on 4chan everyday

>>18706632
I've never valued race as a concept. We're all the same species, borders and the like just keep us from seeing that.

>>18705656
This.

>>18706684
>this isn't what 90%+ of the world population believes
Most cultures value virginity. In many Muslim countries, it is common practice to check the hymen.
>inb4savage
Views on virginity were exactly the same in the west just 60 years ago. Practices differed, and I have no problem with that. Aren't you getting a bit too worked up over this?
>Yesterday when you were bitching about being singled out for your stupid shit and explaining why you namefag "literally Hitler"
No, I use the name for the precise reason that I don't have to go through this type of thing as much. A lot of people will quickly greentext in a dismissive manner about my posts, so the name just makes it redundant and they don't do it.
I assume you're still on an autistic rage over having another opinion on this board? I should stop responding to you.
>>18706689
That's your opinion. Unfortunately, human psychology doesn't work like that.

>>18706709
It also depends heavily on how you're raised and educated. People raised to look past skin color are less likely to hold racist views in the future. Same with people who have more education.

>>18706722
>People raised to look past skin color are less likely to hold racist views in the future.
Consciously, yes, but not behaviorally. For example, there was a study done on empathy, where subjects were shown 3 hands--one white, one black, and one painted purple--and then shown video of a needle being driven into it. Their empathic response was then measured--and people responded far more to the image of their own race's hand than other races. That's ingrained.
>Same with people who have more education.
I'm in uni, and I can say that it's indoctrination rather than intelligence. I'm extremely racist, but that means have a very deep sense of group identity and preservation. It doesn't mean I abuse random people because they're black. individuals=/=groups.

Hitler please stop shitting up my thread

This is why it's so easy to be gay and a slut.

>>18706739
I lol'd

>>18706739
I'm sorry.

>>18706475
>Just be gay
Best advice I've ever heard.

>it's not strange to be a college-aged virgin
It really is, don't give people false hopes.

Everything is centered around sex nowadays.
Colleges have condom dispensers everywhere, people are socializing and throwing parties constantly, and the modern attitude towards sex makes it more accessible than ever before.

If despite all these things you still can't get laid, you're an oddity and there's definitely something wrong with you.
Go see a therapist.

>>18706902
>If despite all these things you still can't get laid, you're an oddity and there's definitely something wrong with you.

Wrong, huh ? How do we define what is wrong and what is right ? History has shown us that we define traits we consider rare or unusual as "wrong" or "alien". From my perspective, it seems that uncommon traits such as empathy (how fucking sad) can be considered as mental issues at this point.
I'm 19yo m, will be attending uni soon and I'm still a virgin and I very well know why - because I'm picky. I have enough self-respect to not fuck with a random street corner slut and instead search for a stable relationship. You chads will be throwing sticks and swinging your miserable cocks around, meanwhile I'll have a stable relationship, a steady source of income and live peacefully with none of your pathetic problems.

>>18706902
What about people who didn't go to college?

>>18705656
I got 100 tinder matches in two days, I'm a virgin because I didn't know how to fuck them. Where's your god now, buddy boyo?

>>18706902
fucking faggot who are you to define what's wrong and what's right?

>>18707003
Most well-adjusted people think the same way.

>>18707010
Yeah you sure are well-adjusted if you think something is 'wrong' with a person just because they're a virgin.

>>18707020
It's commonly accepted, dude. It's not a fatality, but recognize something's not right with your behavior or way of thinking and that you have to fix it.

>>18707010
>Most well-adjusted people think the same way.
>well adjusted
To what ? General retardization and whoring ?

wew lad

>>18707025
But I don't know how to fix it. I would say I'm pretty good looking (I'm >>18706997), but I'm scared of rejection and don't approach girls, and even when I do, my social skills are pretty bad so I just fuck it up.
I've graduated university and work from home currently so I have very limited contant with people. I go to the gym twice a week now. What the hell do I do to lose my virginity? Go to clubs or bars alone? As I said I have bad social skills and I'm an introvert.

>>18707048
Besides it isn't even the most pressing of my problems. I want to finally pass my driving test and get financially independent. Then I'll feel somewhat accomplished and I feel it will be easier to get laid.

>>18705616
I'm 19 in the Marine corps

All throughout my childhood I was surrounded by a culture that I could not accustom to. 90% black to be more accurate. Had a bit of adhd for most of my elementary through middle school, which made me a loser. I had many chances with girls but never decided to take it even though I realized how much I've realized now what they really felt about me. That and the peer pressure fuckes me up. My entire high school life was video games 4chan and eating super unhealthy and fat with a terrible posture and choice of clothing. So I was unattractive and unsociable my whole childhood. I had low ass self esteem and thought that I would be a loner the rest of my life with no friends.

When I joined the marines it was mostly to change my life. Needless to say it did in some ways. For obvious reasons it made me more attractive physically and mentally after training. Through mct we got to train with females and actually talk to them unlike boot camp. I'm made a hell of a lot more friends and became liked my so many more girls than when I was in highschool. Never got to fuck any one of them since they do allow sex during training period and women are too pure sometimes. (Or I'm just a pussy that doesn't know how to fuck without getting caught) Same where I'm at now. However, I've been told multiple time by many females that they want me to fuck their brains out. When I was in the uso heading to my most school I was on a couch cuddling like we were a couple with a girl that straight told me that she made me realize that she is more straight than gay. Right now I'm in twenty nine palms where there is no such thing as females. But I have a ton of friends, but it's a weird relationship. We all sort of hate each other but love each other no homo at the see time.

>>18707048
>I don't know how to fix it
Therapy.

>>18707099

So what is the point in my story? Go meet different people. You don't have to be in the military. Just find a way to change your life style. Get out of your shitty comfort zone. Sooner or later you will realize how different things are in life if you really just go do something new. You said you are not ugly, go work out or something like that and enhance the "non uglyness". Sometimes determination for something other than just trying to loose your virginity will strike others as attractive as well. Just my two cents really.

>>18707100
What therapy? I already have a therapist, should I tell him I'm a virgin? That sounds funny.

>>18706617
>Totally ignores what Tinder actually is and pretends it forces you to read the bio and than stare at the picture

Please.
There are so many ways to spin this

The truth is women literally pick and choose hot men to fuck, and they don't care about their biography when they use Tinder.

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It's a hard life.

I feel like I've done everything I can to make myself attractive to women. All that spiel about being hygienic, dressing well, being sociable, getting hobbies that involve meeting women, I've done ALL of that. For years.

What they don't tell you is that women will do LITERALLY NONE of the work involved in initiating a relationship or a hook-up opportunity. All they do is give you the eye and maybe drop a couple very lightly flirty comments. I have a deep fear of socialising with women and a deep fear of rejection, and because I have no experience with these matters I don't even know how to do things like kissing etc. I can't initiate because of a mix of fear and just genuinely not knowing what to do.

Literally at the end of my rope here. I feel like I will never, ever get the courage to initiate with a girl. I've lost count of the amount of times in my life when I've known that a girl was into me and I've just flopped it because I cannot initiate.

>>18707397
At least women are into you.
That's a good place to be, and you just have to get over your fear of rejection through practice and gradually escalate.

>>18705616
I'd say your problem is wanting to pursue women. The pursuit of women involves compromise and deception, not healthy predicates for intimacy if you want anything more than a one night stand. Pursue your self rambunctiously with no quarter for any silly women, then the ones worth it will come your way. If you just wana fuck, I did write a few sentences about going to a club taking some MDMA and just taking home whatever chick you dance with but then I thought that there are still games and posturing involved in that which are a waste of time, go to a brothel if its just a fuck you want. So I guess this is my conclusion, sex is easy to get if you really want it, relationships aren't. By the sound of it you don't sound too keen a random fuck, so in that case you're going to need to wait for things to develop the way they do.

I lost mine at 16 to a girl I was friends with but by no means romantically involved or interested in. After that I had lots of sex until I was 19 with random people, I am now jaded toward the very act its self and feel unable to foster anything positive with a female ever again as they have been the source of my misery. So please, you have the chance to develop a very healthy sexuality, its not a numbers game.

>>18706722
>People raised to look past skin color are less likely to hold racist views in the future
It requires deliberate education to not be racist, and you're talking as though it's a fact that being non-racist is an advantage.

>>18707418

>sex is easy to get if you really want it

sure.

>>18707449
Brothel, you got the cash then its time to mash. It just cuts out all the social/emotional bullshit which is an added cost to the money you're gonna need to spend anyway convincing her that you're someone she should fuck. A prostitute on the other hand is only looking at the money therefore it is alot easier. But as mentioned earlier, sex is in fact easy to get, it just wont be fulfilling. Fulfilling sex is hard to get and won't happen your first time as you don't understand your own sexuality or experienced the dynamics enough or relegate fulfillment solidly in that realm of things. Advice to be taken or left.

>>18707332

if not him WHO??

>>18707471

OK. Now I totally agree.

>>18707427
How is it not advantageous? More viewpoints and avenues for innovation can only be a good thing.

>>18707449
>what is a hooker

>>18705871
normal =/= common.

>>18707418
Most people have to pursue women. OP won't have a girl fall into his lap if he just sits around waiting for it to happen.

I'm really awkward and don't know how to flirt or deal with hypothetical intimacy. Help

>>18705726
>19
Just chill, this is still a reasonable time. If you don't get laid in the next 4-5 years, then maybe something's wrong, but for now just don't let it bother you

>>18708366
How should I proceed though? As another anon said I can't expect anything to happen by sitting on my ass, but I don't know how to ensure I don't end up a KHV loser in five years.

>>18707483
our lord Jesus Christ.

>>18706277
>being so burdened by morals

>>18706902
>If despite all these things you still can't get laid, you're an oddity and there's definitely something wrong with you.
Oddity? I agree, we the virgins are sure an oddity in today's society, but no more than you would have been an oddity in yesterday's society. Do you have any knowledge of farming practices, breeding animals, or warfare, politics, economics, tracking, logistics, or even medicine, engineering? No? Yes? Today's society is all about being "of the mold" and everything "off the mold" is an oddity.
Wrong, certainly not. Virgins are an oddity, true, but there's nothing wrong about them.
Would you be surprised to find out that a virgin is the head of a very successful clinical lab? Maybe not, as you'd just call me autistic anyway...

>Go see a therapist.
That's uncalled for. For me personally, I find that I am somewhat incapable of maintaining relationships with people and forming deep connections. In other words, I really don't care about most people, enough so I would have rather stay at home on a Friday night than go to the party held by my classmates. I am aware that I am unfit socially, but I have achieved everything I wanted for in life and I am accomplished. I don't see what's wrong about that.

>>18708431
Unfortunately at some point, your lack of social contact will make you frustrated, and you'll be in a bad place then.
I don't wish that upon you but it's very likely to happen, unless you're actually schizoid.

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>tfw 23 at the end of the month

Please shoot me

>>18708501
Get a hooker

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>25 year old perma virgin
>living by myself, got a nice job
>10 more years until current loans are paid
>co-workers makes fun of me being single
>parents are hungry for grandkids
>literally have to be raped by a woman to get any action at this point
Living the dream.

>>18708501
just turned 25 last week

>>18705616
i'm 28 and i'm khv. i have well paid and stable job, have decent sum of saved money (at least for my country's standard), own a flat, car and a motorcycle. but there is no way from the foreveralone once you pass the point of no return. so i just completely stopped trying and accepted my fa-status as a firm fact that cannot be changed so i don't bother anymore.

>>18708597
>once you pass the point of no return
When is that

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>>18708600
when you realize there's no chance for you and so you accept it.

it's like a flower or any other plant. one grows in a good soil and thrives for the lenght of it's life.

the other grows in a toxic polluted ground that sickens it but it has to learn how to survive and live in such an environment because it's all it has for disposal.

then someone tries to help it by pulling it out. but it wants to stay, it holds firmly by it's roots because they're already deep in the toxic soil. then it's about that person - leave it be as it is or pull more violently and kill it in the process.

that is how i felt it.

>>18705616
Autism

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>>18708613
Fuck, man

>>18708525
what would that fix

>>18708597
2 more years, and you will receive great powers, hang in there bro.

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>>18705837
Here is a graph demonstrating virginity by age

This is the source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

mate its fine lose your virginity when your with someone you love and feel safe with as my mum said 'there's nothing better in life than fucking the person you love' (yeah she's weird)

>>18708717
First
age range of 20 to 24 is relatively large, so at 15% you could have a large distribution of 20 year olds and not 24 year olds, meaning a quarter of 20 year olds are in fact virgins

Second
This data is from a decade ago and I bet those numbers have risen since

Third
>median number of partners for males with no college education is significantly higher than males with a bachelor's or higher
Chad meme IRL

>>18705616
>there is literally no reason anyone over 18 or 19 should be a virgin unless there is something incredibly wrong with them

This is bullcrap. But some people seem to want to be miserable, so it's hard to convince them otherwise.

>>18708763
>missing out on sex in high school, where everyone fucks whenever possible
>missing out on sex in college, where everyone fucks whenever possible
I don't know

>>18708864

School in the US must be really fun. And Easy. You are 19 and have already finished college? Awesome!

>>18708864
most people didn't in high school, and if they did it was bad
also as much as marketers would like people to think everyone is sleeping around in college, a lot of people just have long term relationships

>>18708869
So the benchmark is college, then.

>>18708877

I didn't say that. I'm just surprised you missed the whole entirety of college sex by 19 years old, that's all that surprised me.

It kinda sounded like you have no idea what you are talking about and instead exaggerate a lot.

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>>18708613
That's bullshit.
There are divorced women everywhere that are willing to be your wife.

You can literally be someone's step-dad and fuck their 18 year old mom. Everything statistically occurs at a crazy rate.

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>>18705882
>being a virgin at your age, especially when you're not in a relationship, is a non-issue

>>18708904
>You can literally be someone's step-dad
Never change, cuckolds

>>18705882
I have a weak jaw and look like a jew
I'm a 4/10 AT MOST
How am I supposed to "find someone" naturally if I'm not attracted to ugly people? Some people are just fucked m8

>>18709124
>How am I supposed to "find someone" naturally if I'm not attracted to ugly people?

Well, why would a girl be attracted to you? If you are already resigned, give up. But don't blame other people and don't say everyone is like you. Some people are not assholes and date others without worrying about a numerical value.

>>18709239
Does it make me an asshole if I don't want to date someone who's ugly? I thought it was natural.
The numerical value is meaningless in itself, it's just an indicator
>why would a girl be attracted to you
Most probably wouldn't

>>18705616
Lost mine at 21. It's massively overrated and doesn't matter. This shouldn't be a big focus in your life right now. Improving your mental strength and getting work you enjoy should be your concern. Bitches will come.

>>18709243

Yet, weirdly, "4"s date all the time. Guess there's more to dating than just looks.

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>>18709245
>Bitches will come

>>18709250
Don't get so hung up on the number, it doesn't matter, I could be a 2 or a 5 for all I know
>there's more to dating than just looks
yeah did I imply the opposite? physical imperfections can definitely be offset by a good personality
however do you expect people to force themselves to date people they're not physically attracted to?

>>18709256
>however do you expect people to force themselves to date people they're not physically attracted to?

Again, is 5 or under disgusting for you? Because you'll find out you can date anyway. You are the one being superficial here.

>>18709262
5 by definition isn't ugly, it's average. to be honest my standards aren't that high, as long as a girl isn't fat or deformed and has good hygiene it'd probably be ok
>you can date anyway
What does that mean?
how am I being superficial? does caring about a person's appearance make me superficial?

>>18709250
Want to know how I know you're physically attractive?

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22 here.

Just graduated college without even having a prolonged conversation with a girl, I have never kissed a girl or had a friend who was female.

Basically I have no idea of what to do, I assume if I wasnt a huge unlikable piece of shit it would have happened anyway. No one else seemed to really try very hard, they just walked into the dorms on the first day and suddenly everyone was finding new friends and partners. Girls dont even really make eye contact with me, I feel like a sub-human all the time.

At this point I dont think about fucking anyone, id just like to know what its like to be friends with a woman or have a mutual conversation with one or be liked by one.

Staying at uni for a few more years for postgrad, but it seems less likely every year that ill find anyone.

>5/10 girl keeps looking at me, to the point it being kinda creepy
>have feels for this very attractive girl instead
>attractive girl acts like she likes me / finds me interesting
>she actually went for someone else
i was just her ego boost werent i

im as shallow as this bitch and i dont want to date the worse looking girl

>>18709333
Everyone is shallow, that's just how it is.

>>18708864
>>missing out on sex in high school, where everyone fucks whenever possible

This is bullshit. I remember late junior year of high school, one of the main football players, who was also a junior and most sought after guy by the girls, lost his virginity to some chick. No one else was losing theirs during this time.

In my experience, people didn't start losing their viriginities until a year or two into college. Even then, I knew plenty of people who didn't lose theirs when they graduated.

YMMV

>>18708372
Socialize. Don't specifically look to get laid, just socialize and sooner or later you will meet someone. Also try to look and act your best, regardless of whether you are trying to get laid at the moment or not

>>18705656
That bio is hilarious

>>18709424
>Socialize. Don't specifically look to get laid, just socialize and sooner or later you will meet someone. Also try to look and act your best, regardless of whether you are trying to get laid at the moment or not

Not the other Anon, but what do you suggest if I have done literally of these things and have still not "met someone"?

I am highly sociable. I would go as far as to call myself an extrovert. I dress nicely, I try my hardest to look as best as I possibly can. I put myself in situations where I meet women very frequently. I have a large social circle. But I am still, despite my best efforts, a complete kissless dateless virgin.

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong.

>>18709245
>had sex
>DUDE ITS NO BIG DEAL XDD
Kill yourself

>>18705616
listen to me OP. I was a 23 year old virgin and I feel that I have a good personality and I can be charismatic. I'm short, 5'7. Also, my jaw was overly large and my teeth were fucked up. As soon as I had surgery to fix my jaw and braces to fix my teeth (took 3 years). I got laid immediately and didn't have trouble finding dates.

Even though "looks aren't everything." Shits extremely important if you want to get noticed.

Start trying to look as good as possible. Maybe get a more expensive haircut. Try to dress well and go to the gym. You will get pussy 100% guaranteed.

>>18709450
Surgery is expensive...

>>18709451

I honestly had a medical issue and it was covered by my insurance. I'm not saying get surgery, but just try to maximize your potential in the "looks" department.

When animals are looking to mate with other animals, they aren't looking for fucking personality or common traits. It's important for humans later on, but just for getting laid looks are everything.

>>18709462
Actually improving my looks would require surgery so gotta save up then. And go to the gym

>>18709465
I would try first to go to the gym consistently, get nice looking clothing and a more expensive haircut. Than maybe go to a dive bar and see what happens.

>>18709470
Well the gym isn't going to improve my jawline.
How do I get a haircut that actually fits me, do I just ask the guy?

>>18709474
What is wrong with your jawline? If you got surgery, would it be covered by any insurance or would they label it as cosmetic?

If you don't know what fits you, you would have to do a trial and error type of deal. But definitely try asking the barber for the best hair style that fits your face and tell him that you're going on an important date.

>>18709484
It's round and looks like shit, makes me look like a child. It'd be considered cosmetic I think.

>>18709486
I see, well just try to concentrate on the other aspects for now. Sometimes when people get cosmetic surgery, they end up looking worse.

>>18709497
Also, get an OkCupid and Tinder account. A good majority of people meeting today are using these things.

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>>18709500
>Tinder

You do realise that no girl on Tinder is willing to accept a virgin male, right?

>>18709504
Don't tell her you're a virgin! I doubt the conversation will pop up where she will ask if you're a virgin or not.. or you can just lie.

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>>18709509
Oh, yeah, because a virgin with literally zero experience of intimacy is definitely going to be able to fake experience kissing/having sex/doing literally anything physical.

I'm a fucking inexperience virginal child. There are 14 year olds who know more about women than I do. I can't "just lie" about my virginity. I can't act away my crippling fear of the female gender and of physical intimacy.

>>18709500
>try creating a tinder account
>needs facebook, I dont have it
>"ok I'll just create a fake account"
>try creating a facebook account
>they need an actual picture of me and proof of my identity
Fuck that shitty website.

>>18709518
>>18709516

Try OkCupid then, very easy to find dates there if you use it consistently.

>>18709474
>the gym isn't going to improve my jawline.
I thought lifting made things better. Was I lied to?

>>18705666
You're probably just a boring 5. You need to improve your personality, status, and body.

>>18705835
you've obviously not been to /r9k/ in the last 3 years or so
it's filled with people pretending to be women online to get replies

>>18709535
>personality
Is that just practice?
>status
I'm a student
>body
Working on it

>>18705616
>>there is literally no reason anyone over 18 or 19 should be a virgin unless there is something incredibly wrong with them
Nah, bullshit. There are may different people. Some just get to have sex later some sooner. The peole something is wrong about are not 'the virgins after 19'.
That is a totally wrong logic.

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>be a landwhale
>think the weight is the problem when I was a kid and teenager
>lose 90 pounds in a few months at age 19
>tfw you realize that the weight was never the problem
>you're just an uggo and everybody lied to make you feel better

>>18709433
If you're 19 like the other anon, I suggest patience. If you are 25, then we'll need more details

>>18705616
Don't worry about it bro.
I didn't have sex for the first time till i was 21, and it was only with my first serious girlfriend.
Just have faith in yourself, and work on yourself.
Find a hobby or two, maybe work out. If not for the visual improvements, at least for the self-validity.

>>18708742
That's not weird, that's awesome. You're mom fucking knows her shit anon

Here's the truth: if you're attractive, you can follow the other anons' advice and just be patient. Eventually a girl will make it obvious enough that she likes you and everything will happen naturally.
If you're unattractive, you're going to have to work very hard, and maybe your efforts won't pay off, but that's how it is.
Lowering your standards is a meme only attractive people tell ugly people, but it won't make you happy. In fact, you'll probably be even more miserable if you settle for an ugly girl than if you stay alone.
So, yeah. If you're unattractive, you'd better focus on making as much money as possible, because otherwise, there's no way you're getting that qt gf. It's harsh but it's life.

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>>18709652
I'm 21.

Please help me.

>>18709793
>25
>no signs of girls liking me
I guess I'm unattractive.

>>18709816
Probably. Just focus on other things.

>go out and meet people
now I can't stay one night at home without getting anxious about not meeting girls.
the struggle is real

>>18709909
What are you even supposed to do though, go to a random bar and talk to a group? Unless you're chad that would make you look autistic as fuck.

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>>18705616
>26
>male
>virgin

I could have literally had sex every weekend for the last decade. Waiting for marriage. The standards I put on a future wife I need to fulfill for myself or its just hypocrisy.

side note: I think I just met her, she's absolutely lovely.

>>18709956
You know, I honestly can relate. I've used tinder and OkCupid out of curiosity and gotten my fair share of matches, if I really wanted casual sex I could have had it by now. I'm 22 and turning 23 in November, and have never had a girlfriend, either, but I've only known 3 women where I was interested enough to make an effort, and 2 of them make me look back and wonder "what the hell was I thinking? Her?"

I'm not really opposed to sex before marriage, but I don't find it attractive if a woman sleeps around a lot and I just have no interest in doing that myself. The trouble is I don't want to be with a woman who's a lot more experienced than myself, and at this age most women like that are ugly or extremely religious.

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>>18710027
Maybe i'm a hopeless romantic but it makes sense to me. Finding someone who was willing to wait shows character and integrity.

If you're not opposed to sex before marriage than it will be hard to find a girl who is 20+ and a virgin if she isn't saving herself.

Even the ugly girls now days can have a lot of sex with decently attractive men, its a hyper sexualized society. I just don't take part in it, I want a healthy family eventually and to me that required too healthy parents.

>>18707483
Different anon, but someone who isn't paid to care, perhaps?

>>18710131
These girls are more than extremely rare man, they're unicorns. Good luck finding one.

>>18710150
He's paid to help you. Don't go to a shitty therapist.
Who else are you going to talk to about these kinds of issues?

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>>18710131
As much as I'm against "settling" in life, I wouldn't be too unhappy to find a girl who's had a smaller number of boyfriends and only had sex in committed relationships.

For myself, I'm definitely open to it before marriage, but I would wait AT LEAST several months into the relationship before having sex, perhaps longer.

I actually do know a few girls who are 19-20 who I'm 99% sure are virgins, but in their cases they either have never dated or had a boyfriend in high school who they dated for a few months but it didn't last because high school.

I honestly don't even think less of peoples' character for sleeping around, but it just isn't what I want in a partner and it seems unstable.

I can't find it in myself to be religious, but I've thought about converting to catholicism or orthodoxy because of the community, tradition, and the fact that I'd be more likely to find women who are a bit more conservative in terms of lifestyle.

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i'm 16 and a female and i've been offered many times before i actually decided to lose it with my boyfriend. im kind of regretting it because he treats me like shit lmfao. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>18705616
what the fuck is this place.

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>tfw 23 year old virgin
>tfw good looking but sperg
>tfw no chance to talk to women
>tfw looks starting to fade and I will start to bald soon.
I am in the prime of my life, a fleeting time in one's life to have tons and tons of sex yet I can't even manage to score once.

>>18707397
At least you are approached. I got the same problems but no girl to this date has been interested in me or shown any form of affection. I might as well be see-through to them.
Dunno what to even do at this point.

>>18705616
I'm 48. Open fire.

>>18706449
In my experience, people are afraid and/or intimidated. That someone could stand on a principle and wait for marriage, or even model self-control.

>>18706659
I know this can't be true but it hits me in the feels hella hard. I've accepted I'll probably spend my life alone playing Vidya, but there is a little bit of Hope in me that I'll find a decent girl someday.

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>>18710426

>>18708613
I know. A plant can't grow in good soil, and ultimately you must decide. The truth does indeed set you free. Just ... never say never.

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>>18710269
I get that. Everyone has their tastes. A lot of studies show that the more sexual partners a person has before marriage results in a higher chance of divorce.

pic related is the % success rate of marriages at the 10 year mark based on number of sexual partners.

>be me 22 6-7/10 face, 6'0" 165 pounds abs
>make tinder, use shirtless pic to match with girls
>somehow get number of skinny cutie with huge tits
>get her to come over for Netflix and chill
>bust a nut instantly and shamefully drive her home
>could be worse

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you're a lucky bastard. I wasn't able to fully penetrate my 20 year old girlfriend due to our inexperience and my slight downward curvature. When I was 18 around 3 months ago we tried it in my room, but I only got a half of my dick inside, doesn't count as virginity lost sadly. I just turned 19 and I don't know when my parents will let me fuck her again drspite both of us learming hiw to allow full penetration.
I hate this feel. Cheer up OP

>>18710934
>I have a gf but it's just so difficult to figure out sex and the timing never seems to work!
Wow that's heavy stuff bro. My heart goes out to you.

I'm a technical virgin at 21 and my gf is a virgin as well at 22.

We've mucked around but not done actual sex because I have huge issues around it due to sexual abuse in my past.
She just never felt she'd ran into anyone special enough.
We've been together a couple months and I've been getting way more comfortable with the idea. She's been incredibly patient, we tried to have sex whilst drunk last week but it was hilarious inept for both of us, she didn't know what to do with her legs etc but we just found it funny.
Everyone has their own pace. You don't have to lose it early if you don't want.

>>18709793
>Eventually a girl will make it obvious enough
the only ones that make it obvious are obese losers

>>18710269
I like the idea of having some experience at relationships before settling down, because its helps you to figure out what you want from it and what is definitely a dealbreaker for you in the long run, marriage is probably the most risky move people do in life, and having your shit together actually helps a lot making it work.

I think that people that fuck a lot of randoms become incapable to romanticaly bond with a person for rest of their lives, its like a crack addict who suddenly decides to quit, he will most likely struggle with it for the rest of his life and have relapses.

The same goes for people who save themselves for marriage(especially the religious ones), i believe that at some point they grow doubtful with their decision and will struggle with the constant "what if" thought in their heads.

In my opinion, most things in life need good balance and timing to work properly.

>>18709516
honestly it doesnt even matter.

If you look inexperienced while you are losing your virginity, shes not going to abandon you.

She will almost certainly not even ask you about your virginity beforehand anyway, dont bring it up and youll be fine.

Besides, everyone has had to lose their virginity at some point in time, they would all have had to "fake experience" as you like to put it.

Also having a fear of the female gender makes perfect sense, i used to have it as well, to an extent i still do. Just talk to her like shes just a regular human being and youll be fine. After doing this for a while, youll notice that women are a lot easier to talk to.

I'm a 24 year old male, but I fucking sperg way too much to the point where I don't speak because I know I'll fuck up. I just can't communicate with people. I say how I feel at wrong times and my humor is way too dark for these softies.

Back between ages 17-21 is when I realized that it doesn't really matter. There are still many times to this day where I'll see someone I find attractive and I want to fuck, but I'm not a chad and I also don't really want a relationship.

I'm trying to focus on myself, but it's tough because I'm working at a shitty place for minimum wage so it's hard for me to try new things because money.

I dunno, it's like I love women, but when I see them act like thots and see how it's promoted all over social media is when I lose interest.

I'm obviously all over the place, but one thing I do know is that I just can't be bothered anymore.

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>>18705656
wow it's almost like women looking for casual sex don't care about your thoughts and personality and just want a good face to look at while they're getting railed

>>18705616
Thinking that being a virgin is the root to all of your problems is naive. Why are you making such a big deal out of it? Fix that problem.

also: Losing my virginity didn't solve ANY of the issues, or made me feel better about myself.

>>18710272
Fuck off chad

>>18711460
>Fix that problem
It sounds so easy when you say it.

25 year old former kissless virgin here. lost my virginity to my first and current gf yesterday morning. despite being a premature ejaculator while masturbating, i managed to last longer than 10 minutes.

i used to be just like all of you guys. when i girl i liked tried to talk to me, i couldn't think of anything and spill lots of spaghetti. fell into depression and tried commiting suicide last year because of all the shit i've been through (not all of them related to relationships. there are more things to be concerned about in life) and after my failed suicide attempt, i decided to turn things around. i never tried to find a solution to my relationship problems. all i did was be ok with who i am and not be afraid of talking about my opinions. i even got asked out by a girl after i decided to pull my shit together.

you can do the same, anons. don't ever lose hope!

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>>18711129
>She will almost certainly not even ask you about your virginity beforehand anyway, dont bring it up and youll be fine.

You assume that I'm just a virgin and that I'm completely fine in all other respects. I'm not. I have a TOTAL, COMPLETE lack of experience. Never kissed. Never been on anything even resembling a date. I've only cuddled with a girl once in my entire life and I was terrified the entire time. I can't do ANYTHING intimate with a woman without blatantly showing my inexperience. I don't know how to kiss. I don't know how to be physically close to a woman without being visibly uncomfortable and popping a raging hard-on because I've barely ever had contact with a girl before. I wouldn't even begin to know how to engage with a woman on a date, or even how to ask her out in the first place.

I have no experience in anything romantic or sexual. Not even the slightest shred. And you're telling me that women aren't going to notice this? The one time in my life when I've come closest to kissing/sleeping with/dating a woman, she saw straight through me. I thought I was acting confident and secure around her, and then she suddenly was like "you're quite insecure aren't you? you have trouble making eye contact with people". She still wanted to go out with me but I ballsed it up because I am so terrified of initiating with women that I can't even bring myself to do anything even when a girl has admitted that she is 100% attracted to me.

>Besides, everyone has had to lose their virginity at some point in time, they would all have had to "fake experience" as you like to put it.

These other people weren't 21 and had never kissed or dated before. I have less romantic experience than a 13 year old does.

>Just talk to her like shes just a regular human being and youll be fine

When I talk to girls like "regular human beings", nothing romantic or sexual develops. I'm not like you. I don't have that natural flirty charm that most men have.

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>>18712059
I'm exactly like you
I was in a bed making out with some chick and she said 'you don't have to do this if you don't want to'

>>18712059
>"you're quite insecure aren't you? you have trouble making eye contact with people"
This is bone-chilling. A girl told me something similar once, something like "it's obvious you lack self-esteem". It still makes me feel like shit when I remember it.
>I don't have that natural flirty charm that most men have
That's probably the core of the issue.
Most people on /adv/ assume that you can naturally get a girlfriend because they've been through all those formative experiences during their childhood (that we've most likely missed) and to them, even if they have a bit of anxiety, it's still offset by how naturally they can "connect" with women on an instinctual and subconscious level.
We can't do that, so we're kinda fucked.

>>18712337
It would have been more bone chilling if she said it with some level of disdain. The heart wrenching thing was she sounded genuinely compassionate about it. And I still fucked it up and lost my biggest ever chance to have a positive intimate experience with a girl.

It properly freaked me out, though, because I thought that I had been more confident than ever around when I met her, and my social life was pretty active at the time, so having someone drop a bombshell of "you're actually more autistic than you think you are" was frustrating.

>>18712059
>>18712067
>>18712337

You are not subhuman. I made out with a girl for the first time then I was 24. I had never dated or anything before.

Feeling pity for yourself is not a solution.

>>18712370
Yeah, even after putting in so much time and effort into becoming more normal, you still can't really catch up. I know exactly what you're talking about and it's really discouraging.
>>18712373
It's not self-pity, though.

>>18712373
>You are not subhuman

All the evidence contradicts this. I have never met anyone else who has put as much effort into improving their life as I have and has still been completely hopeless with women. How is it that I can have no problems socialising with men, but be utterly crippled in front of women? How is it that I can find exhilaration and confidence speaking in front of a room full of about 100 people and yet I feel like I want to run away when I have to have a one-on-one convo with a girl? How is it that I can act on stage in front of a full audience and yet I can't act away my awkwardness and goofy nature around women?

Most people I know IRL think that I am a very confident person. Believe me when I say that a lot of people are surprised when I tell them I've never kissed and never dated. Not because I'm drop dead gorgeous, but because in the majority of situations I display enough confidence that you wouldn't guess that I'm hopeless with girls. So why can't I do it? It's like there's a complete mental block.

>Feeling pity for yourself is not a solution.

I know it isn't. But what is? I'm hopeless.

>>18712383
>It's not self-pity, though.

What is it then?

>>18712400
Frustration perhaps, but I'm not constantly whining about it.

>>18712402

Calling yourself names like this huy does is self pity:

>>18712397


Both of you. Girls are not a contest. Dating one doesn't make you a "man". Treat them like people, treat making out like playing an co-op game with a male friend, and results will improve.

>>18712416
That's all good in theory but what happens if/when I get a date, get along well with the girl and she calls me out on my inexperience?

>>18712416
>Both of you. Girls are not a contest. Dating one doesn't make you a "man"

I never said that was the case. I just want to do it. I don't want to be a kissless, dateless virgin. This isn't the life for me. Even if all of my friends were as inexperienced as I was, I would still have a deep desire to go out and be with women.

>Treat them like people, treat making out like playing an co-op game with a male friend, and results will improve.

I've already said this doesn't work for me. When I treat girls as if they were men, NOTHING happens. Because I don't have that naturally, flirty attitude around them. They receive no deeper interest from me, and so they don't respond with any back. They see me making dry, platonic conversations with them, and they respond by treating me as a completely non-sexual friend. They don't even view me as a sexual being.

>>18712429

What do you imagine she'll say or do? Can't you learn with her?

>>18712435
>What do you imagine she'll say or do?
What has been mentioned a few posts above.
Girls don't like a guy who's clueless about what he's doing or who comes off as insecure, which I understand. But it's a catch-22.

>>18712434

Can you play any coop game with any guy? Or do you have friends that prefer couch coop and some online coop?

Hoe do you approach each?

>>18712441
What are you on about? I don't see the relevance.

I can tell that you assume I'm some gamer shut-in, by the fact that you think dumbing this shit down to video game analogies is going to make me understand it better. I'm just as normal as anyone else. I don't need these analogies. I understand how society works and I barely even play video games in my adult life.

>>18712440

So you think no girl will have patience? Even if she likes you?

>>18712446

Ok, I was using coop games because you need someone else to play them. Tell me an activity you like that needs at least two people. I have a point to make, I swear. Just humor me for a second.

>>18712459
I don't know. Wouldn't it make me considerably less attractive anyway?
I do know it would make me much more insecure to be called out on it and that's not a good basis for a functional relationship.

>>18712463
Okay, fair enough. What's your point then?

>>18712469


No one is perfect. The problem is not feeling insecure sometimes. The problem is how you deal with it. People in relationships make mistakes. That doesn't simply end their relstionships.

>>18712470

Give me an activity first. Something you do often with others.

>>18712480
>how you deal with it.
How are you supposed to deal with a girl expecting you to have some sort of experience and you just being clueless?

>>18712490
Fake it till you make it, genius

>>18712493
That doesn't fucking work and you know it.

>>18712490
>How are you supposed to deal with a girl expecting you to have some sort of experience and you just being clueless?

Why do you think she expect you to know everything?

Come on, we both know our inexperience was obvious to girls. Do you think she didn't notice I had never made out before? Of course she did. But she didn't shame me for it.

>>18712495
Worked for my first time. Was a Sr. in high school at the time, she was a jr. told her I wasn't a virgin and had a couple of past lovers and she believed me.

>>18712498
I thought women didn't like to be with men who lacked experience.
This is also assuming she hypothetically wouldn't notice it until we went beyond just dating, which is unlikely.

I've only ever met 1 girl who I ever wanted to date and she didn't like me back. I don't care about being a virgin unless I lose it to someone I genuinely love. I know my luck, though. I'll either never meet that person or they won't reciprocate my feelings (which has already happened once as explained earlier)

>>18712511

But she will notice. That's my point. You can date a girl, and if she likes you despite your inexperience, you can learn more with her. No need to fake. Just show you will make an effort.

>I thought women didn't like to be with men who lacked experience.

I never had a one night stand or FWB situation, so maybe there sexual prowess ism ore important. But dating is about more than just making out and sex.

>>18706458
>I value tradition and my race
Heres a secret: nobody gives a shit. The reason you get called a nazi is because you want to force your morals on others

>>18712523
In your opinion he's a nazi. Ofc you only say that tho because you're anti-white

>>18712517
>if she likes you despite your inexperience
Is that likely?

>>18712548

Is that likely?

No. But it's not impossible. You just need to be open and try.

>>18712551
>No.
So the odds are stacked against me from the start?

>>18712562

>So the odds are stacked against me from the start?

No, the odds are not stacked against you. But you do lack experience, that is a reality. No point in sugar coating that part.

>>18712571
>No, the odds are not stacked against you.
Well, you just said that it was unlikely to find a girl who won't care, so that's the same thing.

>>18712574
>Well, you just said that it was unlikely to find a girl who won't care, so that's the same thing.

I send you back to here: >>18712480

>No one is perfect.

We all have hurdles to jump. Everyone has things to work on everytime they get in a relationship. And those things keep changing as you change as a person.

So yeah, it will bother some girls, but so what? Everyone has something that bothers some girls and we still get dates.

>>18712059
>I don't have that natural flirty charm that most men have.
How does one work around this?

>>18705616
If it's not your looks, as many anons pointed out already, it might be your social autism. You're here for a reason so that could be it.

For the looks part you don't have to go drastic: just find a daily routine that makes you look healthy, start to dress in a way that suits you (ask around for opinions if you need to) and then test the waters. Learn to walk confidently and go out.
You don't have to pretend to be Chad and start to go clubbing on the weekends. When you're taking the bus, shopping for groceries, anywhere really, notice if girls around you are checking you out. That's the only good sign you need.

After your looks have been validated it's time to work on your social skills: they're everything with women, as relationships work on untold rules like most social interactions. Practice small talk (it won't kill you), don't talk about your interests if the situation isn't asking for it or if you feel the person won't appreciate it, and most important TALK LESS than the person you're interacting with. People like you more when you're listening.

Overall this will make you potentially likeable to anyone and then you can start approaching the girls you want. As a man, your job is simple: be graceful, be funny (in a mutual way), pay as much attention to the girl while still showing you're mostly focused on your own shit, and initiate the actual approach when you've had enough good signs from the girl. That means: invite her to a date in the evening, plan it (find at least three different places where you can have a drink, and a place where you can go back to after that), and when you can tell from the look on her face that you've been a good company initiate sex. Remember: she won't, EVER (unless you picked up Stacy or any kind of vapid party girl which are to be avoided in your case).

>>18712687
>notice if girls around you are checking you out.
How do you know that?
People look at you when you enter a room so that's not a good indicator.
And I'm not constantly looking at what other people are doing so I don't necessarily notice if they're looking at me.

>>18710451
This desu.

They get super defensive when you point it out too.
I dont understand why. I think it had to do with falling into peer presuure especially in their mid teens

>>18712706
If they're just checking as you enter the room/bus/whatever, they won't look at you again.
If you catch them looking at you at least twice and you don't know them, that's the most obvious indicator of interest you can get.
Just practice looking up from your book or smartphone and checking your surroundings with an air of detatchment: everyone does, so you won't look like a creep unless you want to.

If you're walking down the street it's even more simple: just walk with your head up and make eye contact with every girl that passes you by. See the reactions.
If they're avoiding it it's not necessarly a bad thing: they could be in a hurry or very stuck up. If they lock it and break it first, they're very shy, but you might still approach them (looking down is a sign of submission to your surroundings).
If they lock it without breaking it, do the best you can to keep it: it means "I'm about to approach you" and girls love that confidence, so you're already making the best impression.

>>18712748
So if no girl ever looks at me does it mean what I'm guessing it means?
>eye contact
How do I do that? Do I look at them and smile? Isn't it weird to just smile to strangers? Maybe not in America but here in Europe it probably is.

>>18706193
I'd say you'd be better off not knowing what sex is and focusing on yourself your entire life.

>>18712782
Girls are always been socially smarter than men so it's not a big deal for them to check you out without getting caught. You don't have to learn their tricks, but you can. One time in the college bathroom I was checking up on a qt while she was looking herself in the mirror and she said "hi" without even turning her head.

Anyway, if they're really desperate for your approach they'll make anything to have it noticed. So if it really doesn't happen, and I mean NEVER, not even by some 50 year old cock-starved milf, then yes: you have to work on your attractiveness and overall vibe. This is another important thing: vibe > looks

>do I look at them and smile?

Nope. THAT would make you creepy. Just look in their eyes with the most relaxed, uncaring expression in the world until they pass by. I'm italian btw and nothing bad happened from it: if anything it's the most powerful sign of assertiveness. It works with men too.

>>18712818
>the most relaxed, uncaring expression
People say I always look concerned or angry but it's my normal expression...

>>18712938
Don't underestimate it then. If other people percieve it that way it might mean your vibe is off-putting. That's a good starting point if you want to improve: make sure that people can't read you and don't show any sign of internal struggle whatsoever while in public.

>>18712951
>make sure that people can't read you
Can that actually be done?

>>18713021
You can't become stoic in a day or even a week but yes, of course it can be done. Pick an interest in anything that you think could help you handle your personal baggage: psychology, philosophy, meditation, there's no specific gateway. Just start to work on yourself and develop a personal discipline: I know how hippie it sounds but the world will reward you with good things only when you've mastered yourself. [spoiler]Pussy is just collateral[/spoiler]

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>>18712818
>This is another important thing: vibe > looks

This is what I suspected.

I've done everything possible to improve my appearance. Nice clothes, a hairstyle that suits me, nicely groomed facial hair (yes I can actually grow it decently), perfect hygiene, etc. Facially I presume that I'm not hot, because no one has ever described me as such, but because I've had a handful of women interested in me and I have been complimented on my appearance by girls before, I assume I'm good looking enough that I shouldn't have massive issues attracting women.

The issue is I have NO vibe. No sexual charisma. None of that flirty swagger that truly attractive men have. I put 200% effort into cultivating a visual style that suits me and that gets people's attention, but I act like a goofy, non-sexual autist.

I am convinced there is nothing I can do about this. How can I train inexperienced, childlike autism out of me? It's impossible. I just can't behave properly around women.

>>18713083
Being fit is more important than wearing nice clothes. No joke. A buff guy looking careless in a worker shirt splattered with paint and eaten by moths has a better vibe than an overgroomed hipster.
I'm not saying that's your case, but this two images alone should tell how vibe can make the differences. As for the childishness, just talk to girls like you would with an elderly person on the bus: be nice, don't get excited, don't be over-expressive. Just do your thing without talking like you're compensating for something.

>>18713114
>Being fit is more important than wearing nice clothes

Yeah, I can understand that.

>As for the childishness, just talk to girls like you would with an elderly person on the bus: be nice, don't get excited, don't be over-expressive. Just do your thing without talking like you're compensating for something.

I've already said this. I've tried speaking to girls "as if they were men/elderly people/any other person I'm not afraid of speaking to". That might help me build friendships but it DOES NOT help me build romantic or sexual relationships. If I talk to women as if they were just any other person, then they end up not being sexually attracted to me and so I lose any opportunity to advance with them.

I need someone to tell me how to flirt. Because I have no idea. How the fuck do I speak to a girl in a way that makes them desire me? How do I act away my goofiness and appear sexy in front of women? Is it even possible for me?

>>18713129
>If I talk to women as if they were just any other person, then they end up not being sexually attracted to me and so I lose any opportunity to advance with them.
That's what you think. Usually it's not true at all, so maybe there's something about the way you interact with them that makes you feel like you have no chance, and that's the idea you get across. It's not swagger that you need btw, but confidence, as in inner focus. You have to look like you can handle shit, and that doesn't have anything to do with smelling like testosterone every day.
I do my best to never flirt and behave in the most asexual way possible with girls I don't find interesting and that's exactly why they keep trying. Maybe you should specify what's so goofy about your behaviour.

>>18705656
Pretty much. I wondered why I didn't get any attraction from girls even though I got the same or better grades than my peers, played the same games, watched the same shit, talked about the same shit, ate the same shit. Then one day my best friend admitted he thinks i'm at best a 3.5/10 (which in reality prob means 2/10) which instantly put my life into clear perspective.

I would disagree with the greentext. Being unwilling to take initiative seems to be the bigger problem in my opinion. If you're rejected, it may be because the person isn't attracted to you physically or in terms of personality. You've gotta be willing to move on and keep trying.

I was a virgin all throughout high school and into college because I was too hung up on a person that didn't reciprocate my feelings. Idk if that means something was wrong with me, but now that I'm not anymore, I realize sex isn't that big of a deal.

>>18712977
Oh and i forgot to add. I'm still a virgin because the two times we tried to have sex I couldn't get hard and had anxiety attacks

>>18706335
>i'm 19 turning 20 in january.
i want to fucking lose my virginity asap before turning 20. it's really been bothering me lately. fucking embarrassing only under 20% of people at my age are still virgins and my retarded ass had to be one of them. My parents fucking spam me with calls everything i'm not home like 1 hour after work so me hanging out is always something that makes me anxious which made my social life non existent. it's annoying af hoping that coworkers don't mention sex when talking with them so that they don't discover the ugly truth. also being the introverted RETARD that i am doesn't help things at all. staying a virgin has literally Zero (0) I repeat ZERO fucking benefits. FML.
FUCK
MY
LIFE

>>18713387
Meant to reply to OP not that random guy

>>18713387
So the reason why you want to lose your v card isn't because you think you're missing out on something, but for social acceptance?! Yes, you're indeed retarded.

>>18712514
Do you even know what genuine love is? Because i doubt you do, maybe you're just overly romantic.

>>18706684
>HAHAHA Give it like 200 years; it'll be like you never existed at all.
It will be like none of us had ever existed.
And i'm fine with it, a world without white people isn't a world worth to live in to be honest.

nice oyasumi punpun reference

aiko worst girl

>>18714591
>worst girl
She's pretty much the only one

>>18714374
well try to be in a position where people ask you if you've got a girlfriend yet in front of everyone or them talking about sex with you thinking i'll be able to relate. Obviously i feel like i'm missing out on something but don't try to act as if it's not a big deal to be a creepy virgin.

>>18715243
>well try to be in a position where people ask you if you've got a girlfriend yet in front of everyone or them talking about sex with you thinking i'll be able to relate.
No need to try, i've been there already, literally no fucks given by me.
>don't try to act as if it's not a big deal to be a creepy virgin.
Well, i don't know about the "creepy", but being a virgin is not a big deal at all, i'm 24 and lost my v card at 22, all my friends at the time knew that i was a virgin and none of them made a big deal out of it.

Maybe you're just a kid trying to look cool to your friends and making a bigger deal out of your "problem", but good luck anyway.

>>18715376
>Well, i don't know about the "creepy", but being a virgin is not a big deal at all

It is if you genuinely WANT to have sex, intimacy and relationships.

What are you supposed to do if you deeply crave physical intimacy and relationships, but you can't get it no matter how hard you try?

I don't want to have sex to "prove my worth" or some dumb shit like that. I want it because I want it. In the same way that I want to listen to good music, or eat tasty food. It's just something I want to do, but apparently the universe will not allow me it.

>>18715568
If you're that desperate for sex, there's an easy solution.

>>18705656
You do realize that this is a hoax?

>>18716212
I didn't say JUST sex, for fuck sake.

I crave intimacy and relationships too. I crave being desired by women. In a normal, genuine way. Is that too much to ask for? It's not as if I don't try.

>>18705656
Too be fair that bio is so ridiculous I doubt any of the women that he matched with actually believed it was real. I mean honestly, if they did think it was real it says more about their intelligence than it says about their ability to ignore crime in the face of good looks.

>>18716269
>desired
>In a normal, genuine way
I'm sorry man but if you're not attractive that's probably not happening. If it can make you feel better, most couples settle for each other, you're not really an oddity.

I once had a girl tell me that i have a sexy voice.

How much does that help?

>>18715568
>but apparently the universe will not allow me it.
That's such a lame excuse.

>>18713387
>only under 20% of people at my age are still virgins and my retarded ass had to be one of them.

Dude, that data is old as fuck. I don't think there is a more updated study that is newer than 10 years. And each passing generation (Gen Y now) is getting more technically skilled but not as socially skilled as previous generation. That 20% from Gen X is going to be much higher.

>>18717201
do you have data to back that up?

>>18705735
>>18705748
>>18705837
>>18705842
>>18705861
>>18705871

>implying any statistics on virginity are worth paying attention to

They didn't poll billions or even millions of people and who's going to reveal that kind of shit to people.

Statistic fags make me sick.

>>18718074
>who's going to reveal that kind of shit to people.
Which means the actual stats are even lower

>>18705616
>there is literally no reason anyone over 18 or 19 should be a virgin unless there is something incredibly wrong with them


Stop falling for 4chan memes ffs, nobody thinks like that IRL

>>18716330
Look, I'm not ugly. I know I'm not. Women have been attracted to me before. I'm not hot, I'm never going to attract all or even a majority of women, but there should at least be a niche that I can connect with.

And stop using this retarded 4chan logic. In the real world ugly men are not hopeless, virginal pariahs. I know plenty of bad looking men who get girls. Bad looking men are better off than bad looking women in the dating market in SOME respects. It is shy/awkward/autistic men that get utterly shafted in relationships and sex.

>>18717144
Well, how else do I explain my consistent run of having the worst possible luck with women? How else do I explain the insurmountable wall of severe romantic anxiety and fear that prevents me from doing even the most basic things with a girl?

>>18710934
Boo hoo

>>18705616
>there is literally no reason anyone over 18 or 19 should be a virgin unless there is something incredibly wrong with them
Wrong.
I didn't lose my virginity until I was 20.
Because of the modern era where everybody is isolated from each other, it's going to become increasingly difficult to find a mate.
You need to start socializing ASAP.
Join clubs, take up hobbies, etc.
Find like-minded people, and you'll find a girl.

>>18710934
I wanna smack you in the face so hard.
>Boo hoo i wasn't able to fully penetrate my gf i'm still a lonely virgin i totally know how you feel
fuck off you had sex and you have a gf, you're just a retard who wants attention

>>18718632
ahhhhhh i'm such an autistic retard. oh well..

>>18709629
I hit a similar wall recently. Dropped 50lbs, but didn't change the fact that I'm an autistic loser with very little in the way of redeeming personality traits. I'm almost completely incompatible with most people, let alone women.

I'm not even that concerned about the sex part, I just want to find a companion that I enjoy spending time and likes me to save me from the crushing loneliness that has been growing inside me for several years now.

But that seems impossible when you're fundamentally unlikable.

>>18718655
Just lift, anon.

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>handholdless, kissless virgin with mediocre at best looks and no social skills
>not in school, work for a small business in a male dominate field, and I don't even know how or where to meet women anymore
>don't like going to bars/clubs, not really interested in the Stacy's that frequent them anyway and would rather form a real relationship than fuck a drunk slut
>Too autistic and "not 10/10" for online dating, the lack of mutual likes even after dropping my standards dramatically only make me more depressed
>All of the hobbies and interests (and tastes, etc.) I have are either male dominated, don't require me to leave the house, or are so niche that there's literally no community in my area for it
>Even if I somehow met a girl I was interested in, I have no idea how to flirt or initiate and I have a crippling fear of rejection after a high school "romance" gone bad
>It's so bad that it's extended to beyond just women, I haven't made a new male friend in years either and I can count the number I have left on one hand
>Recently turned 24, and becoming increasing depressed as my youth passes me by and I grow exponentially lonelier as I waste away in my shitty one bedroom apartment

HELP

>>18718750
you'll meet someone eventually haha just improve yourself bro

>>18705616

Chill out dude. I just lost my virginity last week at age 26 to a virgin. Couldn't be happier that i waited this long and found someone special whom i care about. I had a few chances to throw it out to some skanks but i didn't want to. There's a strong bond between me and my gf now.

>>18709331
For a moment, forget they are girls and just talk to them over whatever random thing is happening. If you have no topics, go to the cinema and then you have things to talk with them.

Another thing: do sport. You need to be active, the feromones from sweat play a big role. Good luck anon. We are here to help you.

Im a 25 year old nerd weirdo and I only recently lost my virginity to a very kind and understanding girl on tinder

Just put yourself out there a little bit.

>>18707657
>What is a statistical norm

Virginity itself isn't that important and sleeping with someone you don't really care about just to lose it is lame. The truth is if you learn how to show love to a woman while maintaining your self respect as a man she will eventually want to get with you and give herself to you. Sex is a nice side effect of romancing a woman right and having easy sex with loose girls won't make you feel like more of a man.

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>>18705673
If you don't have friends at all then I would say there might be something wrong with you.
However, like anons have said previously sex isn't all it's cracked up to be. Getting down and dirty is fun, but the virgin meme is a meme. It has no bearing on your life, the only people that will care about virgins are roasties.

If you want to know what it's like to put a penis in a vagina, hire a prostitute.

>>18719125
>Just put yourself out there a little bit.

I put myself out there nearly every single day. I'm as sociable and extroverted as I possibly can be, and I often meet new women.

Doesn't help the fact that they just don't appear to be attracted to me.

>>18705616
Listen here big boy.

The three things that determine your ability to successfully date a girl:

-Physical apperance
-Social status(or popularity)
-Wealth and ability to build wealth

Since you're a teenager focus on your appearance but more importantly your social proof(not validation, those are two different things).

In high school and college, or in life in general, girls simply won't date somebody no one wants to be with or talk to.

Many losers will tell you that you need to look like a Chad, this does help a lot as you can make up for any flaw just as long as you are gorgeous.
However your personality is far more important.
Try to focus on being somebody "likeable" a persone that overflows with joy and who people want to be with.

Ask yourself : "Would you hang around yourself?"

As long as your answer is no, then girls won't come to you.

Also you don't need validation from the others, show excellence and integrity, people will like you for what you are.


If you find it hard to approach a girl, then this another thing, simply go to girls without any expectations.
If you are horny and desperate they can feel it and they will reject you shitless.

Try also to not depend emotionally on any girl.
You can suffer big time like this.


Hope this helps, big boy.

>>18706386
>Otherwise you're just engaging in risky and expensive hedonism.
That would be drugs. Safe sex only requires a 50 cent condom.

>>18719481
>If you don't have friends at all then I would say there might be something wrong
Like what?

>>18718085
>Well, how else do I explain my consistent run of having the worst possible luck with women? How else do I explain the insurmountable wall of severe romantic anxiety and fear that prevents me from doing even the most basic things with a girl?
Its has nothing to do with the universe conspiring against you, you're just a huge faggot, that's all.

>>18720694
>you're just a huge faggot
How helpful.

>>18719528
>Would you hang around yourself?
I wouldn't because I don't like myself.
I don't like myself because I never received positive validation from my peers and especially women.
Now what?

>>18718750
>handholdless
I just recently realized this is a thing. I'm not actually handholdless but I realized this is one of the things I crave for more

>>18720747
Let me explain, i see ordinary people holding hands every-single-day, ugly, fat, disabled, whatever you can think about, the reason why some fail so hard to acheive it is just one, themselves.

The universe is completely indiferent to us, be you, or Chad, when you come here claiming that the universe is conspiring against you, the only thing you acheive is making yourself look like a victimizer loser, nobody will feel sorry for you because can't score pussy, that's all on you, so you either man the fuck up and do something about your situation, or you shut the fuck up and live with it.

>>18721007
>hurr life's tough kid
I wasn't even the first guy you responded to. You're saying really obvious shit, that's not advice.

>>18721011
Did you even read the entire conversation? I'm saying obvious shit because he fails to realize the obvious, many others have given useful advices in this threads, instead he just keeps playing the victim, blaming even the fucking universe for his failure.

>>18705656
This is not a hoax. Just why do you say random unfounded shit? It's an experiment done and it's not fake. Search it on google like the post said if you don't believe it. I get it, it's hard to accept that you could be cucked by a child rapist like this any day, but being in denial is even worse. Many women who messaged him were 8/10s, 9/10s and nearly 10/10s. Just fucking search "The Ultimate Blackpill".

>>18705656
Oh and by the way: some women were so keen on fucking him that they accepted to role play as kids to fulfill his child-raping fantasies. To people saying women thought his bio was a joke: they didn't. Upon talking he mentioned his crimes and explained it was real. You just haven't searched for shit because you are lazy cucks who like living in an imaginary world where women fall for the "personalities" and the "men of good will". Wake up. Stop being a naive cuck. Stop trying to find excuses. Stop being so lame.

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>>18712748
Only reason why people look at me because I'm dead inside, long-hair freak lel.

>>18720751
Nope.
As long as you're looking for happiness and validation from the matrix, you will never be happy.

No one's coming to save you. Be come you're own best friend. Realize you are alone like everyone else. Relationships are based on value or the value people perceive you to have. If girl doesn't think you have value she won't fuck you.

What do you do? Stop caring about society, what women think, and accept the pain. Then look for girls that are subtlety interested in you. There are girls interested in you, you just need to look and act covertly cause girls stay on that bullshit.

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Man, this virgin this has me down. I'm a girl (4chan's "easy mode") so being 21 and still kissless stings like a billion bees. I'm allergic to bees.

>>18722207
>>18722230
Dude, do you realise that all these women are looking for a quick fuck and nothing else right?! That's the point of this site, its still stupid, i know, but having the opportunity to easily fuck a 10/10 make people do stupid shit regardless gender.