Is my BF a Nazi?

He's not defending genocide committed by Nazi's. He's defending EVERYONE's right to voice their own opinion.
bait

>>18650383
Why do Nazi's deserve to voice their opinion? The only thing that can happen is more people find out that they agree and then you have even more Nazis. That's a bad thing BTW

No he is not a fucking nazi he is a patriot

Freedom of speech is what makes america great, nazis have the right to protest peacefully and yes you think they are evil and bad and yomes of course you are right but on a political level your boyfriend is right. No he is not a nazi actually quite the opposite, stopping freedom of speech is a very nazi thing to do

You think the allies didn't kill millions of people? What about America?

Ain't nothing wrong with Nazis. At least they're honest.

If anything you are more of a nazi than your boyfriend haha

>>18650386
No one "deserves" to voice their opinion, they have a right to.

>>18650392
How does wanting to stop the Nazis make me a Nazi?

>>18650376
>He said that you can't take away someones right to engage with politics just because you disagree with them and that doing what I suggested would only make them more extreme.
This doesn't make someone a (neo)nazi. You can find (neo)nazis despicable in every imaginable way, but still allow them to rally. If anything it makes your bf far more politically tolerant than you are.

>>18650386
>The only thing that can happen is more people find out that they agree and then you have even more Nazis.
Or more people will realize that nazi perspectives are on the rise again, so the government can attempt to figure out why that is and fix it. If there are increasing amounts of nazis, it means that something is wrong in the social fabric. Any society is better off knowing this than silencing these voices and pretending everything's fine.

>>18650376
There are likely no active Nazis around anymore. They were defeated in 1945 and actively suppressed by the American occupation and later the West/East German governments. Former Nazis were either tried for war crimes, stopped being Nazis and integrated into German society, or otherwise hid the fact that they were still Nazis. 72 years later, I doubt any of those Nazis would participate in any rallies in an American cities.

You understand my point by now, you're talking about Neo-Nazis, who didn't do anything "evil" besides say a few hurtful words, nothing serious enough to warrant legal action, or in a few cases physical assault, which can be perpetrated by people of any political leaning. Your boyfriend is right, and Neo-Nazis freedom of speech should be respected, and they should be allowed to rally. Now him saying that doesn't make him a Neo-Nazi, I believe likewise and I've never been sympathetic to Nazi or Neo-Nazi ideologies.

>>18650401
"I dont like this get rid of it" who does that remind you of. Hitler.

Let them protest and rally, they are a bunch of cunts yes but who fucking cares about them. Let them do what they want because no doubt in 10 years time 90% of them will change or have died from old age

>>18650401
>How does wanting to stop the Nazis make me a Nazi?
You want to stop fascists by using fascist methods: censorship, marginalization, etc... He at least believes in democracy, you obviously don't if you're just gonna silence anyone who doesn't agree with you or associate them with nazis like you're doing with your boyfriend.

>>18650386
Society moves in position over time, free speech should always be defended, especially when it is disagreeable. One day society will get to the point where your view point becomes 'hate speech' and people will try to destroy your rights to assemble.

The best thing that can happen for and opinion you see as faulty is for it to get spoken in public in mass, because then the idea can be scrutinized.

Also get some historical perspective, please.

So I'm guessing I should apologise for calling him a Nazi and telling his friends he was a Nazi?

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>>18650436
>telling his friends he was a Nazi
Okay, now I know this is bait.

>>18650447
Well I told my friends and we have quite a few mutual friends so you know, I didn't run to his bar screaming that he's a Nazi or anything

>>18650436
>>18650452

Honestly, if this isn't bait, you fucked up real good OP. You deserve the worst.

Being a national socialist does not mean you condone the holocaust, just as being a Christian does not mean you condone burning of witches.

>>18650452
Typical woman. Always have to seek validation from others.

Sorry, but I don't have to respect someone acting like a shitbag. Politically, 'Nazis' can say whatever they want without fear of being put in jail for that. But it does not protect you from being told you're a piece of shit and not welcome around me.

A guy can call me a faggot at the bar as long as he realizes he's going to get hit for saying it.

>>18650485
Oh, so you're going to start becoming violent towards others that don't share your opinion and views?

What's next? Gassing them?

He's defending their right to free speech. He isn't necessarily defending Nazis themselves. You are fucking retarded.

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OP and her BF are both dumb and should break up to get outside and experience reality more.

PS counter-protesting isn't hurting anyone's freedom of speech, Free Speech means the government can't interfere with whatever stupid message you're spouting, they can't openly kidnap, torture and disappear your ass for speaking out, it does NOT mean the community you choose to spout your bullshit on has to accept it and let you finish.

Fascists promoting the violent removal of everyone who doesn't meet their physical standards, be it blacks, jews, or white women who aren't breeding more white babies to save muh hwhite race, don't get a platform no matter how much they try to paint themselves as "free speech activists."


https://www.redneckrevolt.org/single-post/2017/04/06/Fighting-Words

>>18650485
So because someone called you a faggot, you're going to commit felony assault and go to jail?

Maybe you live in east bumblefuck, but I had a coworker do something similar at a bar, just punched a guy. Was in jail for around 3 years with no priors.

>>18650485
>But it does not protect you from being told you're a piece of shit and not welcome around me.
No, it doesn't. That's what free speech means, you can call nazis whatever the hell you want.

>A guy can call me a faggot at the bar as long as he realizes he's going to get hit for saying it.
Violence is a whole 'nother thing, though, isn't it?

>>18650376
It sounds like he's got more of a libertarian view of it than anything else. Libertarian people typically take the stance that people should have the option to pursue their own individual desires without restriction.


It does not mean he agrees with nazis or is defending them, rather he is defending their right to be one.

Just as that doesn't mean he's an antifa or communist, but rather he would agree those people have a right to express their leftist views as well.


That being said, you need to also realize that people who take a stance that you disagree with have a right to a voice. To shut down conversation and a right to voice an opinion based on moral superiority is a fascist thing to do. This is akin to the catholic church burning people at the stake for daring to question the authority of the papacy. They had god on their side and were the "good guys" so anyone who dared to speak up against them clearly had the devil on their side. Damn the idea that they might have a point somewhere in there ramblings.

>>18650495
Yeah but it's better to protest by being the bigger person. Both Nazis and Antifa are fucking stupid imo. There's nothing wrong with voicing opinions on public but we both know both sides sperged out and got violent in this case. Peaceful protesters who don't block traffic get my respect more.

>>18650489

If they are violently insisting that my friends and the people around me get deported or should be killed, yes. This is isn't someone saying 'I don't like milk in my cereal,' it has literal violent stakes at hand. Reply to violence with violence.

>>18650498
Depends on the situation. I've been called worse, but I'm not going to not defend my honor against someone who is shit talking me and sit in the corner like a little pussy. Most fights just get broken up.

>>18650500
Read above, no it's not. Especially if that guy is calling me a faggot and saying he's going to jump me when I walk outside, or tell me that the next time he sees me in the bar, he's gonna fight me. I will fight first.

Nazis and AntiFa are the exact same thing.

>>18650514
>violently insisting
How is this a thing. They are words. You can walk away from them. Only the weak-minded get affected by them.

>>18650508
Well, your respect ain't doing shit for them, bucko. Your respect can get bent.

Now, I don't believe we should start a giant pit of punches every time these shitstains want to LARP around with a Swastika, but when their rhetoric poses a threat to you, I believe in posing a threat back.

But then that does lead to how all these mostly white guys feel threatened by feminism, multiculturalism etc. My logic can't be applied to them because they aren't actually protecting anything, "white pride" and "white heritage" are just imperialist tools that absorb the disillusioned who are too lazy, ignorant or full of rage to keep their real heritage and culture alive.

>>18650521

Words mean intention and lead to action. Words aren't just words when there is a desire behind them.

I gotta drive to work. I'll reply in a bit if this shitshow is still up.

>>18650521
The entire goal of these protests are to incite a reaction out of the left... they just weren't expecting such a big reaction. Thanks to all these counter protesters, many of the rallies that were planned for the future were canceled.

They have their web forums where they can make Holocaust jokes all day, but the moment they try to make the general public accept them, they cross a line. But that line has long been crossed, and now they drive their cars into crowds and gang up on individuals to beat them with poles and stomp on their heads. How come those of you denouncing antifa self-defense hardly ever address the violence that has been pushed by white supremacists since the birth of this country?

>>18650523
>Well, your respect ain't doing shit for them, bucko. Your respect can get bent.

It's about being charismatic and not a violent idiot. Something you might have trouble comprehending.
>>18650525
Words are whatever you make of them buddy.

In some ways I feel the American education system has truly failed us reading this thread.

>>18650532
>the moment they try to make the general public accept them, they cross a line.
No they don't.

>they drive their cars into crowds and gang up on individuals to beat them with poles and stomp on their heads.
This is where the line's been crossed.

>>18650532
I'm denouncing both sides of violent hooligans. I'm a better person for knowing violence solves nothing in most cases. Enjoy being a brainlet.

>>18650533
You think charisma can disband literal Nazis? Good luck with that, I guess. I believe satire has it's place in the resistance, but jokes don't save lives, love alone doesn't trump hate. I don't believe violence is the only answer, but to reject it having it's place as well is just foolish.

I agree on the educational system, though. Really irks me when people think free speech means you can say whatever the fuck you want without consequences. Words are whatever you make of them... yeah, sticks and stones, but this ain't elementary school anymore. When you have websites with thousands of daily posters simultaneously denying the holocaust while talking about how great a genocide would be about now, that's a problem charisma can't solve.

>>18650535
>>18650538
So what is your solution to all this? Do we surround them and sing them nice songs? Or ignore them and let them continue to recruit and feel powerful?

For anyone who actually still cares, I said sorry and my bf agreed to take me back as long as I stop being so inflexible to new ideas

>>18650545
Yes genocide nazis now

>>18650561
Obviously you mean white genocide, right? Since to them, a white woman having a baby with a black man is an act of violence against them.

>>18650568
Yes whites should be massacred

>>18650579
Alwhitey well thanks for this delightful intellectually stimulating conversation, goodbye forever.

>>18650554
You prosecute those who commit crimes, you listen to and refute the arguments of those who shout, and you educate those who blindly follow.

That said, I'm rather pessimistic as well, Trump being president and all. The man recruits neonazis and left-extremists by the thousands with every retarded tweet he publishes.

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>>18650517
Kill yourself