Nofap a SCAM?

>>18611403
Masturbation has NOTHING to do with "brain fog". Daily masturbation is well within the boundaries of "normal" for a 19 year old. Stopping could cause you more problems just because you'd be thinking about it more.

If you've got "brain fog" it is not coming from your penis.

>>18611434
Actually there are studies shown that porn causes lowered cognitive functions:

1.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15140364/

2.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23167900/

>>18611403
Bump

>>18611403
Why is it either no fap or fap every day for you guys

Just cut back Jesus. Do it 2-3 times a week

>>18611508
Fastest way to clear it, and when you want to you can do that then.

>>18611508
I recommend this. Even NoFap says it's OK for you to masturbate without porn, or just temporarily try NoFap until you are satisfied.

My main points:
- recognizing PMO is a habit that can be dealt with.
- this cultivates self-discipline so you feel control over your life.

man i want to fucking quit porn too im 20

i've gone weeks to a month without jerking or watching porn but i keep failing

like right i just jerked off to porn after a day without it

You're just dumb, masturbation isn't magic

>>18611600
It's not masturbation, but don't you think porn fucks up your brain? Dopamine rush is not a meme.

Nofap isn't a scam. Only people who haven't looked into it will say that. And people who only jerk of 2-3 times in a week to begin with. Teenagers who excessively masturbate every day ARE doing neurological damage to themselves. Regressing dopamine receptors for example, which leads to depression.

>>18611612
This guy gets it.

Should i try to quit porn and only jerk off without porn couple times a day? Seems impossible to stop all together

>>18611458
there are also studies that proved that JFK was assassinated by aliens and that vaccination causes autism

>>18611633
Couple times a week*

Eh I stopped masturbating before I started college last year as it just got to be a hassle taking 4 hours a day to jerk it , and I ended the year first semester with all b+ and finished the second with most b's and a 2 a's
When you consider I graduated highschool with all c's it's not hard to see a connection
> inb4 4 hours ?
Yeah edging and yes long before I tried cutting back to 1 hour a day then 2 times a week for 1 hour and both felt like shit and had no feeling

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>>18611434
Never post again. Killing yourself is the best option.

So what if you were in a relationship and had sex daily? Is that still harmful?
I never see the nofap sellers talk about this.

What if it wasn't even full-on sex, but your partner blew you or jerked you off and other times penetration.
The point is, what is really the difference of you jerking off daily or you having a partnr that does the same to you daily?

Is it because you are alone and watching porn, that creates brain fog and destroys your dopamine receptors.

But if you are in a relationship and seeing your partner naked and getting aroused is not affecting you in the same way?

>>18611403

its probably from being on a computer, not from fapping. take a few days without a computer.

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just kill yourself there's no hope you will never be able to stop fapping

>>18612991
Are you retarded ? , the whole point of fapping is because you need to blow a load some way , If people had sex daily or even got blew daily then they wouldn't fap at all
> itt: had chubby gf since highschool

>>18611403
having no access to porn in jail here's what i did. i just thought of my favorite porn videos in my head and jerked off to them saying they were a girl that i thought was hot as fuck. it works

>>18612999
So what's the difference. Ejaculation is ejaculation, if you are doing it yourself or someone blows you.

Whats the difference?

>>18613002
While being plowed by Tyrone

>>18613008
single bed cells kek

>>18613006
It feels better coming from other people , it also involves intimate connection

>>18613013
I know Tyrone found a way

>>18613014
That's just icing on a cake. Its still a cake with or without icing.

Watching porn - watching yourself fuck and being aroused by it/watching someone blow your penis.

Jerking off - putting your dick in a hole or being jerked off.

Orgasm - orgasm.

I still don't understand how orgasming alone, or watching porn, which I agree affects dopamine levels but so will doing it with another person there.

But there is no difference in it chemically speaking. There isn't a different dopamine being released.

A man that fucks a different woman every day of the week, or a man that fucks the same woman all week or a man that jerks off every day of a week isn't getting different dopamines into their systems.

>>18611403
Oh boy, this bullshit again.

>>18613018
his dick snuck under my cell door like a snake kek

>>18613030
This, when I had a gf I still fapped on my own. Nothing was better or worse than the other. When I actually wanted to do work myself and smell and be near actual sex, I fucked her. When I just wanted to see some panty less upskirts I fap. Both get the job done. Having sex is just the least lonely of the two.

>>18613040
I bet it did bb

>>18613030
Are you implying jerking it for 1 hour every day compares to having sex 2 hours a day
> tfw no gf and think fapping feels the same as sex

>>18613055
Chemically speaking, if that is the argument for nofap and noporn, it is the same.
Dopamine is dopamine. It will release if you watch porn or if you watch your partner naked and get aroused.
It will release if you jerk off for one hour or if you have sex for two hours.

Why is it that the guy that jerks off have a dopamine problem that must be fixed, but the guy having sex for two hours a day is healthy and have no problems?

>>18613055
He's saying the end result is the same not the feeling dipshit. Either way through sex or fapping, you're getting a dopamine release.

>>18613067
This, You guys wanna fight to be Chads, dudes who literally fuck all day every day up and down, he's your god. and yet you wanna get on the case on guys who are more or less doing the exact same fucking end result by themselves. If you are for no fap then you're also against every guy who gets boatloads of pussy.

>>18613067
If you wanna speak health wise sex is actually better for you since sex actually Involves more exercis than fapping , speaking of dopamine the more pleasure you experience the more dopamine is released ergo fapping is less pleasurable than sex

>>18611403


....so.. Do you go to bed everyday at the same time and sleep about 8 hours consistently?

>>18613097
But the argument against masturbation is that it creates a dopamine addiction. That your brain becomes addicted to fapping.

If there is more dopamine release during sex, the movement should be called nosex, since you would be more addicted to that dopamine release.

>>18611458
Got anymore? First one was only 740 people, also the type of person to frequently watch porn may have other common life factors that could contribute, and the second had only 28 healthy individuals...

Those are extremely small sample sizes..

>>18613097
That's subjective at best. You ever found that one fetish that nobody else has and actual content on it? That's a good fap right there friend and better than any vanilla shit I can get from her. Dont get me wrong, I always prefer real actual pussy, but since women aren't obedient as dogs, you cant just say 'I want sex' and get it. Fapping gives me exactly what the fuck I want when I want it without me having to take you to dinner or some shit for some lukewarm pussy that looks like a dumpster sandwich. If women gave up pussy as easily as dudes give up dick, you'd see the porn industry die in a day. Porn uses modern women's prudeness and up the ass attitudes to their advantage, by giving men a way to replicate the feeling without dealing with the bitch, but like any copy. Its not gonna be anything near the original.

>>18613067
Firstly, sexual addiction is a thing.

Second, more than just dopamine are released in sexual intercourse as opposed to masturbation, all of which are pretty vital to well being.

Thirdly, eating an ice cream cone produces dopamine. Even successfully putting on pants in the morning releases dopamine.

You are in need of rethinking your understanding of basically anything psychology.

>>18613123
Firstly, yes sexual addiction is a thing. Its a thing because your function is impared. Sex takes up time that you should be doing other things. We are now establishing that something, any thing, taking up too much of your time is unhealthy for your.

Secondly, yes more than just dopamine is released during sexual intercourse. Oxytocin for instance. Which should only add to the fact that someone engaging in daily exposure to a naked partner and sex with a partner should, by the arguments of the nofap and noporn church, be having a worse life.

Thirdly, yes diminishing returns of dopamine through eating, working out, etc. is damging. It has to do with how we are rewarded. Again we are establishing that any one thing taking up too much time, causing you to need to become dependent on your chemical reward is bad.

Jerking off while watching porn, places you in no worse situation than anything else. Saying it does is very sex negative and attempting to shame men for their sexuality and their sexual exploration.
However, if masturbation and porn takes up so much time of your life that it affects your functionality to do other things, such as socialising, paying your bills, buying groceries, taking care of yourself (hygiene etc), you have a problem. But its not because you are masturbating and watching porn.

im 28, been jacking it to porn most days since 15.. tbf my life is fucked though

I only fap on fridays

>>18613490
Once a week, that's healthy. I do it 2 times a day every day, if my brain isn't fried from that constant dopamine rush, I don't know what will. I don't think chads even fuck girls 2 times a day Everyday, sex is exhausting in the first place, I don't doubt that also wouldn't fry your brain. Scientific studies have been done dopamine rush can fry your dopamine receptors and this can lead to depression an indirect cause of other symptoms like brain fog and short temper amongst other things like heightened anxiety levels.

>>18613496
I don't doubt that that would fry your brain as well.

>>18611403
Bump

>>18613067
The amount of dopamine you receive decreases when you have sex with the same person over and over again. If you watch 5 new porn stars and jerk off to that, the dopamine you release will stay high and therefor fry your brain.
So it's not the same.

>>18613678
Not to mention at some point vanilla sex also doesn't turn you on anymore, so you'll start looking for something more exotic that will turn you on even more, that contributes to high dopamine levels that you fry your brain as well.

>>18613688
I don't buy this argument. Never have, never will.
Its the same argument Ted Bundy tried to use for why he became a serial killer, and you have to remember that porn wasn't even so hardcore as it is today.
Bundy claimed he started watching porn, then it became too vanilla so he went after BDSM porn, then it became vanilla then he had to go out and kill.

It doesn't work like that. He was always a killer, and you were always going to watch bisexual guys fucking trannies. You just had to ease into it. Just as Bundy did. Or else there would be far more serial killers today, because when Bundy was alive he couldn't just type in transexual brazilian midget fart porn strapon in google.

>>18613678
What about someone that sleeps with five different women during a week. You just for some reason want masturbation and porn watching to be some sort of culprit for all of your problems, because if masturbation and porn can be a culprit are your problems it means 'just quit' and everything turns out alright.

Reality is that porn and masturbation is just symptoms of whatever is wrong in your life and as soon as you start figuring out your real shit instead and start working like that, you are always going to be in a repeated cycle where you'll never get any better.

>>18614003
>What about someone that sleeps with five different women during a week.
Same thing would happen, only that you would have to keep fucking new women at that rate for months.
Dude, this is all backed up by science. I do agree with you that problems come in groups and excessive masturbation is probably a reaction to another problem. Still doesn't change the fact that dopamine depletion will lead you to depression, and that is much easier to achieve with porn and masturbation than unrealistically fucking 5 new women each week. Also "just quiting and it all turns around" is easier said than then. Scientists said that it takes 4-5 months of abstinence from porn and masturbation for neurological damage to revert. You are really just arguing with established science here and try to turn this into a "you are just an incel" ad hominem.