ATTN: Addicts

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AND THIS GOES OUT TO ANYONE WHO HAS RELAPSED EVEN AFTER BEING "CURED" BY SOME SCAM ARTIST BULLSHIT.

FIRST OF ALL you do NOT need some sort of recovery program!!! All you need is to change PEOPLE, PLACES, THINGS, EVENTS. Which does not involve some kind of money scamming rehab or brainwashing cult like narcotics anonymous.

Addiction IS ALWAYS a choice. Rehab and these dumb programs like AA and NA are meant to break your will and convince you are weak and helpless to an unwinnable war, and only through their secret cult of admitting you are broken and corrupted can you be saved.

Bro don't listen to that bullshit!! Relapse is perfectly normal!!

"ONLY SITH DEAL IN ABSOLUTES!!!!" - fuckin Star Wars, bitch.

Don't lie to yourself and tell yourself you are a fuck up and a failure just because you decided to give into a triggered urge and get high even just ONE fucking time. Nobody is perfect and if you hold yourself to some god-like standard, you are already setting yourself up for failure!

I am not encouraging you to get high, I'm saying if for whatever reason you do, it is NOT the end of your recovery!!!!! You can still be in active recovery!!! And you are NOT a failure!!! Because guess what!!! It WILL ALWAYS BE A CHOICE, and you can make the decision to never get high again starting at any moment of your life.

And for anyone to claim to be a saint and act all high and mighty and tougher and cooler and smarter and better than anyone else, just because they are staying 100% clean while you are staying 97% clean with a few mishaps, are fucking completely out of their minds!

An ultimate form of hypocrisy would be another addict (or even a non-addict who could never comprehend) trying to place judgement on your soul as if they have any right to judge anyone for anything at all. As if they don't have any faults or flaws or imperfections.

Anyone judging you for relapse trying to convince you that you are failure is your enemy and should be treated as such

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I will be bumping with some fine ass for a little while.

its really hard to read when you format your posts like that

but yeah, this is good advice for any addiction really

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>>18594604
So are you saying I shouldn't snort heroin, or that I should only avoid shooting up? My friend and I are debating on having this experience under our belt after DMT + LSD got old.

Thanks for useful advice and butt-bumps, both are appreciated.

Ant tips for avoiding the reward-hit? As in "i accomplished X, now it would be nice with a hit and relax as a reward".

After cleaning up, i always relapse because a situation where most people reward themselves, there's only one thing i wpuld like as a reward, and any withdrawal symptoms just becomes so much more noticable until it saturates my entire mind and ruins the earlier feeling of accomplishment unless i relapse "just this one last time".

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>>18594665
LSD and DMT are non addictive. I like those like once or twice a year.

Heroin is probably the most addictive drug in the world and should be avoided completely. Heroin addiction will be the greatest psychological challenge you have ever faced in your life. Keep in mind people die trying to maintain that state of perfect bliss.

It would be the worst mistake of your life.

Have I done a fat shot of raw while peaking on some fire blotter? Yes. Was it amazing? Yes. Would I do it all over again if I could? No.

Heroin is too good for mortal man. We weren't meant for such things. Avoid like the plague

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>>18594671
You have to rewire your brain to learn that rewards are not drugs, and choose literally anything else, even if it's also addictive or immoral or whatever. It doesn't matter because for right now you are just rewiring your brain to not rely on drugs. This is simply habitual.

Everytime you feel you deserve a "reward", like thinking "man I just put in a hard days work, time to get high!" You have to do something else for yourself instead.

It can be anything.

For instance, consumerism and materialism. Instead of spending your money on drugs, spend the money on something else. Go buy something that you really want but didn't want to spend the money on. Consider this your reward, and afterwards instead of just sitting around thinking about being high, occupy yourself with something.

It's all about keeping yourself busy as much as possible. Get a second job if you have to. An addicts idle mind is so dangerous. You must always have something to do, until you wear yourself out so at the end of every single day you can just go fall in bed and pass out instantly.

>>18594679
I guess I shouldn't be tempted and the question might sound like a joke, but my best friend and I used to also be on other opioids as well as escalating on party drugs like MDMA and a lot of coke. It's turned into a great fantasy of mine as the one taboo to break. I just want that inside of me badly.

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>>18594644
You mean in a standard essay styled paragraphed form? I don't understand why it's so hard to read :/

>>18594613
>Addiction IS ALWAYS a choice.

Have you heard of science?

While i agree with the idea that addiction doesnt make you broken or corrupted, addiction is absolutely not a choice. I trust peer-reviewed science versus your opinion.

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>>18594714
Everyone wants heroin inside them badly. Even I do right now at this very moment. But that isn't the point. The point is that heroin is a "no man's land" with little chance to returning to your life as you now understand it.

The high is so perfect and amazing you will literally destroy your entire life just to get your fix. I'm not even shitting you. It's absolutely horrible and terrifying and I don't wish it upon anybody. Please dont.

>>18594725
>Even I do right now at this very moment.

But shouldnt you be able to just choose not to feel that way?

>>18594679
probably some of the worst bait I've ever seen

>>18594731
supposed to be at
>>18594729

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>>18594719
That's a lie and a cop out.

Human willpower and the freedom to choose and make decisions about anything and everything automatically rules out that it's some genetic disease that can't be stopped or prevented or treated.

EVERY HUMAN ON PLANET EARTH could fall in love with any drug and the way it makes them feel. It's like duh. It's like "Hurrrrrrr duurrrrrr I love fucking my girlfriend, man she's so hot, i just have a genetically inherited disease that makes me love pussy so much that I want to fuck her all the time"

I mean have you even seriously taken into consideration the possibility that self-responsibility and self-respect and the idea of free will and the freedom of decision making?

>>18594732
Op is the one who called it choice.. not me.

Yeah, sure there is an element of choice in the matter but saying "Addiction IS ALWAYS a choice." is plainly and scientifically false.

>>18594736
I mean you're equating two things that are so.

If a child lives in an impoverished country, has no access to education, work, social services, etcc and is addicted to crack cocaine that is affordable in any amount.

VS.

An affluent individual who can afford to remove themselves from an environment, move to a different area, not have to worry about the stress of a job, have supporting people who encourage them, has access to therapy etc...


Then you are fooling yourself. Yes i definitely agree that choice is a large part. But to assume it is everything is plain ignorant.

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>>18594729
You can choose to occupy your idle consciousness with productive actions like volunteering for any organization that needs your help, or even helping people on advice message boards to educate and make peoples lives better.

Or you can choose to indulge in any sort of hobby. You can jack off to porn a lot.

You can self educate by reading non fiction history books and encyclopedias and watching documentaries.

You can even shitpost on 4chan. It doesn't matter, as long as you aren't just sitting there waiting to convince yourself to go do drugs.

>>18594750
>You can self educate by reading non fiction history books and encyclopedias and watching documentaries.

The majority of individuals in this world do not have access to books, encyclopedias, or tv/internet to watch documentaries.

>You can choose to occupy your idle consciousness with productive actions like volunteering for any organization that needs your help, or even helping people on advice message boards to educate and make peoples lives better.

Again, most people in this world simply and literally do not have access to these kinds of things.

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>dat ass

The female form is the only drug I'll ever need

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>>18594749
>>18594749
It doesn't matter who you are, where you are, how you got there, and why you are there.

It always a choice to do drugs.

In your example you painted a vivid and very depressing picture of a child addicted to crack cocaine who was born into systematic socio-economical oppression.

Even this kid with no hopes or dreams or future always has the choice to stop smoking crack and save all the money he spent on crack until he got enough to improve his living condition, like emigration to another place or even entrepreneurship.

He could hustle his way up and straight out of the ghetto if he simply decided that he wanted to strive for something more in life than getting high smoking crack.

It's not my fault if people choose to accept their life as the way it is and never try to something different. Some people don't want to change or evolve or grow as a person, they are content with whatever happens to them.

Actually the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, so you could even say the kid is insane.

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>>18594753
Those are simple examples. You can attempt to do anything in life if you just put in the effort. Even if it doesn't work or you fail, at least you tried doing something.

A personn with no resources should be gathering his neighbors and countrymen and politicizing the ever loving fuck out of them to take on the economic and/or political situation that they live under. If they are ruled by an totalitarian oligarchy system of complete dominance through military force, obviously it would be much more complex and difficult, but nothing is impossible, and a shitty government like that is basically screaming for the people to rise up and destroy it, even if the people don't hear it, it's literally screaming for revolution.

Study history bro, the entire human struggle is more intense than you may understand.

>>18594774
>It doesn't matter who you are, where you are, how you got there, and why you are there.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

I wish i lived in your idealistic world.

With that said (assuming you are op) I agree with most of what you said, just not the bit that choice is 100% always 100% in every circumstance 100% definitely absolutely the only thing that applies in situations of drug addiction. Decades of research and hundreds of legitimate scientists are in disagreement with your claims. At the end of the day i trust them over your singular experience and pure opinion.

>>18594774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxHNxmJv2bQ

you're stupid and you are wrong, let me tell you why

If somebody injects me with heroin and I get high, even though I never chose to do heroin, I will still have a physiological addiction to the drug. No matter what, my body will want that feeling and it may have a dependency to the drug.

This has to do with dopamine receptors being flooded after using heroin. Usually your body is able to block the amount of dopamine in your system, but heroin disables that. Now you're dependent on that unnatural level of dopamine and physically addicted to heroin.

Ya, I can make the choice to not do the drug again, but I will always have the physical addiction and that is not through choice

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>>18594796
It's always a choice. I too believed in the disease lie when I went to rehab. They teach everyone that they have a condition that is incurable, and they are just drug addicts and it's just the way you are, and you are powerless to stop yourself from doing drugs.

The key is that they teach you that you are weak and helpless and basically mentally ill, and that you need other prescription drugs or more money and time spent on rehab.

The AA and NA cults are just a weird form of religion saying that same thing, and to admit you are powerless against an inanimate object (drug) so you should surrender yourself to God and let God take control of you.

When in reality human beings have incredible potentiality to take any possible action with directed willpower from simple awareness of their consciousness.

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>>18594808
The only time you are dependent on a drug is when you convince yourself that you are dependent on the drug. In order to rewire the brain and get normal function back, drug use must be stopped.

It's literally as simple as saying "I know if I do heroin, it will not solve my problem of being an addict, and it will only make my addiction problem even worse"

It's like saying, "I'm going to keep drinking soda, even though I know it's shutting down my organs and just a few more could kill me, it just has this really sweet taste and I cannot deny my taste buds this delicious pleasure. My doctor told me I'm physiologically and psychologiclly addicted to junk food and sugary drinks, so i can't help myself anyways.
Oh well"

It's literally that simple, and you are completely over complicating the entire idea of addiction. It's always a choice.

>>18594843
no you retard, I literally just spelled out the scientific reason behind a physiological addiction to drugs

If I'm addicted to heroin, and I stop using it cold turkey, my body will go through withdrawals because it actually NEEDS the drug. With alcohol addiction, withdrawals can actually kill you because your body is so dependent on alcohol

I haven't overcomplicated anything. I only tell the truth of addiction. If you are too much of a simpleton to realize these things, I have nothing left to say

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>>18594874
Bro, heroin physical withdraws only last a week. The withdraw usually peaks around 72 hours, and its no different than a bad case of the flu.

As for alcohol, yes you can die from withdraw. But once you are done withdrawing, it's psychological and if you start drinking again that's a choice because you are aware your organs will only take so much abuse until you die.

I feel like you basically are talking about suicide by drugs that you can't prevent. You are teaching learned helplessness.

>>18594937
I'm afraid you haven't really responded to what he wrote.

You're kind of talking at cross purposes, but he's more right than you are here, although most of what you've said is technically correct.

Tolerance and addiction are different things. Heroin withdrawal is caused by the nerve receptors becoming tolerant, and it's true that they usually return mostly to normal after about a week, though sometimes it can take longer. But that's not what causes ADDICTION - long-term opioid use alters the structure & functioning of the brain in fundamental ways. Basically the brain's entire reward system gets rewired in ways we don't fully understand yet. That's what causes cravings - it's not just the discomfort of withdrawal systems - and it can take months or years for an addicted brain to "return to normal," if it ever does.

Also, I can tell you most recovering addicts would laugh in your face (or punch you) if you described their withdrawal systems as "no different than a bad case of the flu," though if you're speaking from personal experience, I'm glad they were so mild for you.

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>>18595007
Yeah the brain can have chemical imbalances for years before returning to a more regular level.

If you continue to use drugs knowing that you will cause damage to your brain and also knowing the entire point of treating addiction is to stay in recovery and sobriety as much as possible, then its the aducts fault.....I mean come on.....

Lemme put it this way, if you are aware that your brain is not functioning properly and you willingly decide to feed your disease, then you have only yourself to blame that you chose drugs over recovery.